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 andyaa
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Creationism or Evolution?Page 8 of 11    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11)
Between 1917 to the 1960s there had been no less than a dozen versions or theories of the universes. All of them had been proposed on some extents with mathematical support.

There was the Static Einstein Universe,
The De sitter Universe,
The Lemaitre Universe
as well as some versions and variations of Friedmann Universes ...
and many others, such as the T. Gold/F. Holye Steady State Universe,

but now only a couple of them are left under discussions...

There are also 5 versions of String Theory with 5 versions of mathematics. Thanks to Minkowski who started the 4th dimension, now these String Theories can suggest that the universe may have extra dimensions ranging from 10, 11 to even 26 dimensions.

Get real, science has got no more idea on how we got here or how the universe works anymore than the church has.
 heteroguy
Joined: 1/11/2009
Msg: 177
Creationism or Evolution?
Posted: 1/28/2009 11:59:54 AM
satsuma, i went out and got very drunk last night, then i had a very hot curry on the way home (i think), when i got in someone was having a bath so i couldn't get in the khazi and i just fell asleep in my armchair....when i awoke this morning there was some dark matter encrusted in the gusset of my calvin klein's, do you think intelligent design was responsible for this? i've been pondering this all day....heterogay.
 cheekyjules
Joined: 1/25/2008
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Posted: 1/28/2009 12:04:57 PM
DYK

Rather an arrogant statement to make when you cant prove it.



i've been pondering this all day....heterogay


LOL spellcheck Hetro x
 Agapis
Joined: 3/20/2008
Msg: 179
Creationism or Evolution?
Posted: 1/28/2009 12:49:39 PM
Spaghetti monster?
ah, the God of Richard Dawkins circle jerk/fanclub.

"Dark Matter" is just as vague as "God".

In fact, i hope it is God, and it's coming to stomp on Dawkins.
 SpeedBird1979
Joined: 6/19/2008
Msg: 180
Creationism or Evolution?
Posted: 1/28/2009 12:57:51 PM

"Dark Matter" is just as vague as "God".


Not really. The effects of dark matter are observable.
 Kev_71
Joined: 12/18/2008
Msg: 181
Creationism or Evolution?
Posted: 1/28/2009 1:05:22 PM

Not really. The effects of dark matter are observable.


Yes, there are the Satanic Sluts for example...
xx
 andyaa
Joined: 12/20/2006
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Posted: 1/28/2009 1:19:52 PM

Not really. The effects of dark matter are observable


This is going to get fun...

They have a theory called the big bang...but then they need another theory to support this called the expanding universe...but the numbers don’t add up...so they need another theory so they come up with dark matter to explain a theory to explain a theory lol and they call the bible screwed up pmsfl

Now of course they have to come up with a theory to support 'dark matter' because 'dark matter' doesn't do everything as expected...see a pattern yet.
 Agapis
Joined: 3/20/2008
Msg: 183
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Posted: 1/28/2009 1:30:07 PM
yes i do. this is my point.
our knowledge expands as our ability to measure/justify things does.

and i wasnt talking about effects.

im talking about vague descriptions, and the comparison between the term "dark matter" and the word "God".
 LastoftheGentlemen
Joined: 4/17/2008
Msg: 184
Creationism or Evolution?
Posted: 1/28/2009 1:40:04 PM
"Evolution is a bankrupt speculative philosophy, not a scientific fact. Only a spiritually bankrupt society could ever believe it. ... Only atheists could accept this Satanic theory"

Hmm... as an atheist by definition I don't believe in God, therefore I also don't believe in Satan (the antithesis of God), so how could I believe in one of his theories? Doesn't make any logical sense. And for the record it's quite possible to be both spiritual and an atheist. Personally I find them complimentary rather than counterproductive, whereas it's some (not all, by any means) of the deeply religious who I actually find 'spiritually bankrupt' and mindlessly accepting of 'speculative philosophy'.

This is a debate about nothing, and a debate about the meaning of life, God and the universe, at the same time. It's a bit pointless because you'll get three parties who won't budge:

1. The annally retentative pseudo scientists who prattle on about why Darwinism proves that God can't possibly exist. Which is clearly complete cods. Darwin's theory of evolution (from which most of our modern ideas of evolution are derived) does not imply that God (or Gods) does not exist, it's a rationale scientific theory and has nothing to do with religion at all. It simply states that one THEORY about how life has developed on this planet is the process which we choose to call evolution. I happen to think it's a very good theory, you have the right to disagree if you want, I won't hate you for it, or think you're an idiot. As the name implies it is just a theory.

2. The equally obtuse and strangely defensive God squad who rant about how anyone who believes in evolutionary theory is the spawn of Satan and that everything recorded in one version (of thousands) of a highly edited and rewritten ancient book IS correct in a totally literal and humourless way. I don't believe in God, but if I did I'd find it hard to believe he didn't have a sense of humour... Besides why couldn't God have invented the process of evolution? It's a clever idea, he wanted to create man (so we're told), maybe he thought evolution was the right way to do it? Don't you think us mere mortals are getting a bit presumptive if we start assuming we understand God's plans?

3. The rest of us, who really don't care what you think so long as you let me believe what I want to and don't force my child(ren) to believe in anything without making their own minds up first.

Religion and Science have nothing to do with each other, one is based entirely on emotion and belief, the other is based entirely on logic and proof. Some of the best scientists I've known (I am a scientist) have also been highly religious, the two are not contradictory.
 SpeedBird1979
Joined: 6/19/2008
Msg: 185
Creationism or Evolution?
Posted: 1/28/2009 1:44:00 PM

They have a theory called the big bang...but then they need another theory to support this called the expanding universe...


The universe is expanding universally in all directions - that is an established fact. It is therefore reasonable to surmise that at some finite time in the past the universe originated from a single point. The Big Bang theory wasn't suggested until after the expansion of the universe had been observed.

If you want to see and hear some pretty strong evidence that the Big Bang occurred simply leave a television set or radio tuned between stations.
 LastoftheGentlemen
Joined: 4/17/2008
Msg: 186
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Posted: 1/28/2009 2:24:05 PM
The Big Bang theory is another good theory, I happen to like it a lot... but, it is still just a clever theory, there are many alternative explanations, and we don't have any more definite proof than the Christians do on that one, and probably won't have for a very long time (if we ever do).

The poster who said these are just theories is right... each of these scientific theories is just one possible, rational explanation, for the incomprehensible and untestable. In a sense they are no different to a Christian's beliefs, just reached by a different route.

For millenia the majority of people thought the world was flat. Anyone rational would have agreed, it looks flat from down here, anything you drop doesn't roll off around the edge of the world, you can keep on walking, running, sailing for weeks in a straight line and you still won't get back to where you started from. Okay there were some crazy ideas from a few madmen about the world being round, but you could devise any number of experiments to prove they were wrong. Of course the world was flat. But, the world isn't flat, is it? Scientific theories are more often proven wrong than proven right. If there is anything Science should teach us it is to keep an open mind!
 andyaa
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Posted: 1/28/2009 2:29:24 PM

The universe is expanding universally in all directions - that is an established fact.


NO it is not an established fact, it is a plausible theory that explains red dopler shift for some people. However, red dopler shift can also be explained by the Shapirro effect. If the red dopler shift can be explained by the Shapirro effect then we do not have an expanding universe or the big bang, hence it is not a proven fact as you have been lead to believe and would have others believe but just one theory in many.


If you want to see and hear some pretty strong evidence that the Big Bang occurred simply leave a television set or radio tuned between stations.

The cosmic background radiation was predicted by Eddington in 1926 as the temperature of starlight, again another equally plausible theoretical explanation…strong evidence for the big bang but far from fact
The big bang theory relies on an ever growing number of hypothetical entities
The biggest myth you have is popularity, however popularity does not guarantee validity.
 schuminat0r
Joined: 7/27/2008
Msg: 188
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Posted: 1/29/2009 1:00:48 AM
As David Cross says ... if God, the all powerful created the world in 6days... why did he need a day off to rest? God gets tired? REALLY?

30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let's get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father."

33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and lay with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, "Last night I lay with my father. Let's get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and lie with him so we can preserve our family line through our father." 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went and lay with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

36 So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father Genesis 19:30-36

Soooo sodomy is a sin but incest isn't? Nice!
 Miss_stevie_G
Joined: 3/30/2006
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Posted: 1/29/2009 1:18:45 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^ a day to god is one thousand years (if you read the bible) so i think after 6000 years god rested, not to hard to understand, they re not literall days

the dieseases you get today through incest we`re not the same in those days as adams offspring would have had to sleep with a sister or couisin to continue to populate the world, god had a reason for this ,when he did say it was wrong then we we`re not to do it
 Another_Musician
Joined: 11/7/2008
Msg: 190
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Posted: 1/29/2009 2:16:03 AM
I accuse the Flying Spaghetti Monster in The Primordial Soup with The Noodly Appendage.

Am i right?

What do i win?
 schuminat0r
Joined: 7/27/2008
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Posted: 1/29/2009 2:53:04 AM
"^^^^^^^^^^^ a day to god is one thousand years (if you read the bible) so i think after 6000 years god rested, not to hard to understand, they re not literall days

the dieseases you get today through incest we`re not the same in those days as adams offspring would have had to sleep with a sister or couisin to continue to populate the world, god had a reason for this ,when he did say it was wrong then we we`re not to do it"

So "GOD" needing a rest, even after 6000 days makes sense to you? And the "dieseases" or.. diseases you mention are actually more relevant with fewer people... smaller gene pool! I wont even bother going into Adam & Eve... And I'm pretty sure that in the days of Sodom the population wasn't so small that incest was necessary, that fictional bunch were just pretty depraved. Didn't Lot offer his 2 daughters to the townsfolk who wanted to rape the "angels"? You think they'd be more than a little pissed off with him, not want to get him drunk and shag him.
 andyaa
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Posted: 1/29/2009 6:11:27 AM

Interesting, you could use the same argument about religion:


I do, check out my posting on this thread MSG 121 The ‘creation’ myth, the word bara in Hebrew was never meant to be translated into the word create, the word create is an abstract word, it doesn’t exist in real life. It is better translated to the word ‘form’ or ‘mould’


if God, the all powerful created the world in 6days... why did he need a day off to rest? God gets tired?


Firstly, God is not all powerful, even in the bible there are clear examples of this.

Created…I said about this

6 days, another classic miss quote. Even a day being 1000 years is wrong, just trying to make it look good. The Hebrews use the word ‘yom’ to describe any period of time from a literal 1 day morning to evening up to a season right through to an infinite amount of time. It all depends on the context it was being used. The King James Version couldn’t understand geological time frames as in millions of years to define say for example the Cambrian period. If I said that was the beginning and end of Cambrian period you would know what I mean…well I hope anyway. I explain about it better here...

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Why did he need a rest…Rest again isn’t exactly the right word. Here he had basically finished and wanted to see how man and the planet would develop. God was very much active and visited man a lot during the early times, talked and walked interacted on almost a daily basis.

An interesting point, there is never any mention of God wanting to be worshiped. This comes later on in history. The only mention of anyone was Enoch who understood 'elohim' who is not God but what God is, it is the energy of God so to speak and Enoch was 'taken'...If you watch stargate you would equate it to being ascended...sorry just an interesting little side bar.

With regards to Lot and his ‘lot’. He offered his daughters up knowing that the ‘Angels’ who had follows satan to earth were screaming homosexual rapists and not interested in women. They only wanted to bugger the boys. Offering up his daughter’s instead was genius, because he knew that they wouldn’t accept them and move on.

With regards to incest, even with evolution this would have HAD to happen. If you had produced a viable different species different offspring these would have only come from 1 genetic parent. Those siblings would only be able to reproduce from mating with their brothers and sisters. Mating with other members or the parent species would only have produced infertile offspring. Don’t forget Darwin talks about the divergence within a species and theorises if this continues that there would inevitably be a divergence of the species. This has still not conclusively been shown or proved but is mentioned in the bible and is the strongest contender thus far.

It never fails to amuse me how many people are prepared to quote the King James Bible
 Agapis
Joined: 3/20/2008
Msg: 193
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Posted: 1/29/2009 10:56:26 AM
or stargate.

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 *Peppino*
Joined: 1/20/2009
Msg: 194
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Posted: 1/29/2009 11:52:16 AM

Basically, you have two theories on where humankind came from - an allpowerful supernatural being created us and indeed, everything else at the very beginning of time (around three thousand years ago), alternatively, we were all some sort of bacteria stuck to a rock, which hit another rock an incalculable amount of time ago, and over a period e developed into a squishy thing sat infront of a computer screen.


Both are feasible, since nothing dates back written 3000 years ago to say there were “Not” an adam and eve, irrelevant to what archaeology provides us.

Is it not just as feasible that an extra life form interfered with humanity so many millennia ago, in some form or another altering the genetic makeup, and that species, or life form was what we call God?

It’s not entirely impossible, theologians have been debating this topic 2000 years, it’s never going to be solved.
 co94
Joined: 4/6/2007
Msg: 195
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Posted: 2/2/2009 7:56:18 PM
Dear Ebrenn, how about all the real scientists who actually work for a living and not those arm-chair so called scientists that don't know the actual definition of evolution. A theory is assumed based on an illusion/ belief and the facts they claim to have is very little, the actual step by step of sequence mutation is not there! Your scientists have a lot of skeletons in their closet that you are not aware of , because they refuse to share the proof agianst them and evolution. Your scientists know there is no such thing, but they aren't about to tell you that. But hey, who am I to tell you differrent my sweet , we all have our free will to believe in whatever, right? I am not here to convert anyone, preach to anyone or make you go to church. Keep in mind, there is no genetic code to allow sequence mutation and evolution was taken from a prophesy in the bible by a man who had no educational background in any field of science and his side kick was uneducated period. I would not believe in two misguided individuals who the only thing they did was daydream of stupid theories. You are better off believing in curious george!

with due respect I say this....
 Jim...
Joined: 9/23/2008
Msg: 196
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Posted: 2/3/2009 3:33:23 AM
While the bible is a collection of works produced by sheep-herders, fishermen and moneylenders who lived 2-3000 years ago. Obviously they had superior education then to the Victorians. Maybe God did dictate the bible... but he needs to come up with a sequel, his debut novel is looking a bit dated now.

I'm sorry but creationism needs to come up with a better arguement against evolution than "No it didn't".
 satsumo
Joined: 12/7/2007
Msg: 197
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Posted: 2/3/2009 5:05:24 AM

just open your eyes and you will see the creations of GOD ALMIGHTY.....

No, they are the creations of the FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER.
 bachelorpad
Joined: 8/28/2008
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Posted: 2/3/2009 5:55:06 AM
Creationism through Coiled Waves
Physicists have got it all wrong
I am working on a Proof
 Pisk
Joined: 6/17/2008
Msg: 199
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Posted: 2/3/2009 7:59:46 AM
Co94....

Look what I found....
The CURIOUS GEORGE series takes full advantage of this natural curiosity, using George to motivate children to expand their own investigations of the world. George's memorable adventures — from dismantling clocks to rounding up errant bunnies — offer the perfect vehicles for introducing preschoolers to key concepts in science, engineering, and math.

Exploring the world around him with wonder and intrigue, George embodies the preschool child's potential in the field of science. George's desire to use his four little hands to skillfully take things apart and figure out how they work exposes children to the basic concepts of engineering. And his interactions with patterns, measurements, and geometric shapes introduces early mathematical concepts.


I think in all honesty Curious George is one step ahead of the creationalists
 The BFH
Joined: 11/21/2007
Msg: 200
Creationism or Evolution?
Posted: 2/3/2009 8:19:16 AM
Creationism through Coiled Waves
Physicists have got it all wrong
I am working on a Proof


Is that like all that extra dimensions, string theory, why is gravity weak?, M - brane, parallel universe stuff?

I wonder about those theories having something to do with creationism in some way... like one day there's going to be a big booming voice come from the LHC saying "Oi! Leave it out mate!"

Mixed up much?... Yes
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