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 Aurora772
Joined: 12/1/2007
Msg: 49
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Yes, "free spirit" can be used like lipstick on a pig, to cover up existing personality deficiencies. I would even argue that most people use the term that way. However, for a few artistic souls, the term is accurately used. They are the ones who dare to "think different". They are often idealists unbound by convention. It follows then that free spirits can be politically conservative, especially in a world that requires political correctness at all costs.
 Seavoyage
Joined: 1/18/2007
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Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 12/17/2007 1:53:39 AM
I would say a free spirit is a person who is kind of spiritual and often hates conventions when it comes to relationships, calling, planning, and everything is in flux, they are not very commitment centered. They are non-conformists in a way that rejects labels, so you may not know what is actually going on with the person, and the person may resent you for being so demanding, perhaps. There is a difference between simply being spiritual and acting like a free spirit that rejects so many traditional ideas............ When someone is saying free spirit, what are they trying to free themselves from, I would wonder...
 Wolfie65
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 51
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 12/17/2007 8:27:58 AM
Babblefish translator sez : 'free sprit' = 'I'm gonna screw not just you'
 Chensa
Joined: 10/28/2007
Msg: 52
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 12/17/2007 10:04:05 AM
Wow! I think I should be mad at my friends for calling me a free-Spirit. Apparently this is a bad thing of some report. According to most of the response from this post apparently my friends were calling me irresponsible, undependable and hmmm let's see also a slut! I think I will be writing a lot of angry letters tonight. They have called me a dirty name... :)
I am really none of the bad things described in the previous posts, but I am what I would consider a free thinker. I am not one to believe that because the social norm is insert social norm here is necessarily what I should do just because everyone else is. If I get the inkling that I want to go somewhere, I usually pass the idea along to the people I care about and we work from there. I am not running from anything... except the dogs but I think we are playing... Free spirit, as evidenced here, means a lot of things to a lot of people. Should it keep you from getting to know someone? I don't think so. I think you should see what they consider a Free Spirit before doing so. You may not have the same idea on what that means and you may miss out on meeting a really great person based on a misconception. :)

Okay... I am off to write those angry letters!
 867love
Joined: 3/16/2006
Msg: 53
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 12/17/2007 10:07:41 AM
free spirit: favorite warm coat, full tank of gas, platinum credit card...
 valleyjavastop
Joined: 6/4/2007
Msg: 54
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 12/17/2007 12:49:55 PM
free spirit ..always thought that was a hippy chick
 Davey_Baby
Joined: 9/28/2007
Msg: 55
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 12/17/2007 1:57:49 PM
Some people will think that free spirit and irresponsible are the same because that is how the people who conform to a set of standards, thinks!

A free spirit is an English idiom that refers to a human being who feels unconstrained by convention; rather, the spirit of liberty is paramount to that person.

So then let's ask what liberty is: Liberty is generally considered a concept of political philosophy and identifies the condition in which an individual has the ability to act according to his or her own will.

So now we should get you posters to re-evaluate your posts if we can all agree that this is the meaning of free spirit, rather than our own special thoughts on it.
 grayloc
Joined: 2/24/2007
Msg: 56
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 12/17/2007 3:20:40 PM

Free spirits can't be in a relationship.


wrong! free spirits can be in a relationship, they can also be responsible. it really depends on what the individual thinks 'free spirit' means. i call myself a 'free spirit' yet have a job and responsibilities. i'm also in a relationship. free spirits need to be with people of like minds. it's fair to say that someone who's morals, values and goals who are cemented in stone aren't going to get along with free thinkers. there's nothing wrong with either type person it's just they don't usually see eye to eye and that's where problems in relationships come in. my relationship is with another free spirit. we don't need to be attached to each other's side 24/7 yet the trust is there that we're true to each other. we both have goals, yet we're open minded enough to pick up at a moment's notice to do something spontaneous. being a free spirit isn't a negative thing unless the person's choices make it such.
 fr0gkiss3r
Joined: 10/1/2006
Msg: 57
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 12/17/2007 3:53:11 PM
Some of you don't know what you're talking about! Some free spirits are irresponsible and some aren't. By calling myself a free spirit I mean that I'm not going to let anyone dictate how I should live my life. It doesn't mean, however, that I'm going to neglect my responsibilities. There's such a thing as striking a balance between independence and dependence - it's called interdependence. Why are some of the comments so black and white? It's such a narrow-minded viewpoint that doesn't go beyond an average level of intellect.
 Seavoyage
Joined: 1/18/2007
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Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 12/17/2007 7:18:35 PM
This doesn't necessarily mean a free spirit in the way people were posting about. You seem to be into a more open spirituality, but you don't seem to have this strong rejectionist view of things traditional, and that's what we're talking about. I think being free spirited in some ways is good in terms of being open-minded spiritually, but without being against everything traditional. Are you commitment minded? Do you know what you want?
 cocytus
Joined: 11/9/2007
Msg: 59
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 12/17/2007 8:05:34 PM

A couple times I have responded to ads by women that promote themselves as "free spirits",what does that mean?
One was in her 40s working 3 different part time,minimum wage jobs because she could always quit one and find another,bragged about how no boss would ever control her ,but was barely getting by.
The other one was always late,or would just take off and go somewhere on the spur of the moment without telling me,and couldn't imagine why that would irk me,even though that was the reason her previous boyfriends broke up with her..
If women promote themselves as free spirits then what are the positives that make them want to use this phrase?


To me..."free-spirited" is a description like "smart","good-looking" or "funny"...
It's something that somebody ELSE needs to describe you as to have any validity...
My favorite is a woman that describe herself as "free-spirited"..yet after reading her profile has explicit age,racial and financial requirements for their potential "mate"...
I guess the "spirit" only has limited freedom....
 tnpir40024979
Joined: 7/23/2011
Msg: 60
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 7/26/2011 3:30:49 PM
Let me try to bring some clarity to this:

I was recently involved with someone who called themselves a "free spirit," as the adopted big brother figure in her life (her words). Essentially, she was constantly "going with the flow" and just doing whatever she felt like--up to the point where she dumped one girl only to jump into bed (figuratively and literally) with another the very next day. Within two weeks, I was hearing about how awesome this new girl was, and how she was different, and how my "friend" was head over heels for her. Meanwhile, her friendship with me was being sorely neglected.

When I called her on it, she promised she'd do better, twice--only to admit to me later that that promise was hollow because she had someone new in her life. Then, after I had held her hand through three breakups and was basically a true and adult friend (I'm 26, she 21), when I was in need, she simply left me hanging.

What's more galling to me is this: the day of her 21st birthday, not only did I take her out for lunch, but that night I also took her to dinner, and in the process (at her request), I got her together with her ex, and got the two of them back on speaking terms. That was a Monday. Then, Wednesday night, I asked to see her the next day because there was something important I needed to talk to her about, she excused herself from what I wanted because "I hung out with him twice on Monday."

Then, she decided she didn't want to be friends anymore, because she said she didn't think she could meet my standards ("not even close"), and that thinking about it stressed her out. She also said she knew I would never support her latest relationship, nor would I support her lifestyle.

In short, she's very outgoing and easy to get along with, but when it came right down to it, she was better at accepting the help and goodwill of others than she was at reciprocating. A free spirit will tell you what you want to hear, they'll make promises, but in the end their word is worth nothing--they'll do whatever they darn well please, regardless of the impact their actions have on others. She promised me I could count on her and that when I needed her she'd be there, but when the time came that promise was worthless.

The point is, dear readers, if you sense that someone's a free spirit, don't trust them, don't depend on them, don't even become involved with them. Ultimately, they'll let you down and won't be worth the effort.
 tnpir40024979
Joined: 7/23/2011
Msg: 61
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 7/26/2011 3:31:48 PM
(In short, yes..."free spirit" does indeed mean "highly irresponsible," along with "grossly undependable.")
 DoubleParked
Joined: 10/22/2008
Msg: 62
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 7/26/2011 4:21:43 PM
Free spirit does not necessarily mean irresponsible. It could just mean that we free spirits don't care to be responsible for others. We take care of our own business and do what we please. Not all of us have family ties and obligations. Or maybe we had them in the past and did the responsible things and are now in a different stage of life and can AFFORD to be FREE SPIRITS.
 tnpir40024979
Joined: 7/23/2011
Msg: 63
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 7/26/2011 4:48:10 PM
The lack of responsibility to others is indeed the very definition of irresponsibility.

I'm extremely loyal to those I call "friend" and would sooner eat Brussels sprouts (which I utterly despise!) than make a promise I had no intention of keeping, especially if I was making it to someone who was in need.

I'm sorry, but anyone who would do something like that is irresponsible. Plain and simple.
 tnpir40024979
Joined: 7/23/2011
Msg: 64
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 7/26/2011 4:51:46 PM
Further, in my experience, "not wanting to be responsible for others" is a euphemism for "not wanting to take responsibility for the consequences of one's own actions." It's called being shallow and superficial; if you're not responsible for anyone else, you're not responsible for the consequences of your own actions.

I defy anyone to disagree with that with a straight face.
 DoubleParked
Joined: 10/22/2008
Msg: 65
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 7/26/2011 6:03:58 PM
I don't understand how not wanting to be responsible for others translates into not taking responsibility for one's own life. I keep promises made to friends and family, pay my bills on time, send birthday cards, etc.

We all have to assume responsibility for our own selves. No one can do it for us. Why should 'free spirit' be a pejorative term?
 home_osorio
Joined: 2/12/2011
Msg: 66
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 7/26/2011 6:09:30 PM
free spirited definitely means irresponsible.

if you want girls like that then you are gonna have a migraine
 tnpir40024979
Joined: 7/23/2011
Msg: 67
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 7/26/2011 6:59:55 PM
"Free spirit" shouldn't be a pejorative term--but it is, because free spirited people make it that way.

You keep promises to family and send birthday cards and such--great. That's the bare minimum that would be expected of anyone over the age of 12. The problem comes from people who either refuse or lack the acumen to sense and respond to the feelings of others.

Let me illustrate:

I consider myself a very responsible person with a lot of depth. Someone I care about is having life issues. My responsibility to them dictates that I check on them regularly and offer my assistance--in whatever form may be needed--to help them solve their problem. That's what a good friend does.

A free spirit, on the other hand, nine times out of ten will do this instead. They'll be so caught up in themselves that they won't notice the other person is having an issue. If they do--and that's a big if--they won't take the proactive steps and try to help. If approached for help, they'll try to take the easy way out, turning to their social lives without offering any substantive assistance. If you call them on it, they'll say you're demanding too much and will jettison you like yesterday's trash.

I've seen it happen. Free spirited people have done it to me. They don't care about others, their first loyalty is to funseeking behavior (meaning social life and love life), to the expense of all else.

I'll allow that the person who did it to me recently is a freshly minted 21-year-old, but that no more excuses her bad behavior than does the fact that she's a lesbian--at the end of the day, no matter how it was sugarcoated, she made a promise to me, twice, to have my back during a difficult time, but then decided that pursuing her love life was more important than helping her adopted big brother with real-life problems, and what's more had the audacity to say to me that she was "dependable, just not by your definition."

In no logical world is that dependability, by any accepted definition, and in no logical world is this sort of behavior acceptable.

Once again, I defy any free spirited person to tell me I'm wrong with a straight face.
 tnpir40024979
Joined: 7/23/2011
Msg: 68
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 7/26/2011 7:11:35 PM
Actually, that reminds me of something else. Another problem with free spirited people: it's never them that's the problem, it's always everyone else. If a free spirited person upsets someone else, it has to be something wrong with the other person, because the free spirited person is perfect just the way they are.

Again, the counterpoint is that everyone needs to have self-confidence, and that's absolutely 100% true. Believe in yourself and have confidence in the way you are. But believing oneself to be perfect, with no room to grow whatsoever, is at minimum a sign of denial, and at worst is a sign of a delusional mind.

A well developed mind has the capacity to acknowledge its own problems and shortcomings. A free spirit by definition lacks that capacity.

Ultimately, as home_osorio says, free spirited people will give you a migraine--and this is a major reason why.
 SweetnessInFlorida
Joined: 6/26/2008
Msg: 69
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 7/26/2011 10:20:52 PM
I consider myself a free spirit at heart, and am ultra ultra-responsible.
I have my own place & vehicle, pay bills out the rear, manage a household, raise children, put food on the table and clothes on their backs and see to it that all of their needs and most of their wants that are within reason are met, and spend a good deal of my time doing family related activities & responsiblities (cooking, cleaning, house maintenance, PTA meetings, famaily outings, stuff like that). I maintain a healthy loving long term relationship, and i have been married.
I am kind of a cross of Mary Poppins & Tinkerbell, lol. When i was young i traveled the world with nothing but a backpack, and i plan to do so again when my kids are adults. I love seeing new places, meeting new people, and learning new things, and i love to sometimes go the unconventional route, and live life on my terms, i dont always go by other peoples opinions or social conventions. I am curious about the world at large. I speak my mind and opinions. I love the Arts with a passion. I live for myself and the people closest to me.
However to most people I probably look like your average suburban Soccer Mom, nothing out of the ordinary. But i crave so much more than just the ordinary.

Now someone who uses the term free-spirit to describe spmeone who simply doesnt want to do jack with their life, yeahhhhhh.... no, not quite.
 7Carla
Joined: 12/3/2009
Msg: 70
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 8/1/2012 8:59:03 PM
"Free Spirit" to me means does not mean someone is irresponsible.

It means that we don't mind being in a committed relationship with someone who doesn't put constraints on them (i.e. what time to be home, what to where, why you didn't answer your cell phone, etc.)

I am a "Free Spirit"...even though I enjoy the concept of marriage, I am intimidated by the fact that I will forget who I am because I am committed to keeping the man in my life satisfied.

I hope this makes sense <3
 BlokeInSydney
Joined: 5/7/2012
Msg: 71
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 8/1/2012 9:25:08 PM

true 'free spirits' think outside the box and approach life from a different direction than the standard. i think a truly free-spirited individual has very definite ideas about the way they want their world to work. they work for the greater good and go about this in unorthodox methods. as opposed to a lack of responsibility, these people feel an almost urgent need to participate in experiences that elevate themselves and those around them.

yes, you may find artists, writers, musicians etc. but, i see the truly free-spirited as having a greater awareness.

whereas the person who claims free-spiritedness and waving it around like a banner to attract attention while giving nothing back cannot claim posession of an authentic freedom of spirit. this is merely ego.

if you find a true free spirit, try to understand and support their endeavors.

Nice post Jupiter, do I get extra points for supposing you are a Twin Peaks fan?

As for free spirits, have known one or two and have benefitted from knowing them.
 saddestangel7
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 72
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 12/19/2012 8:51:29 PM
I am most definitely a "Free Spirit". Most Aquarians are. It doesn't mean irresponsible. For me it means I am very much an individual, not a follower and do march to the sound of a different beat. My mind is open to all possibilities. I would rather soar above the crowd than be a part of it. As a mate I am loving and devoted to a fault but I can't have my wings clipped. Can't be with a man who is suffocating. One who makes me his entire life. Which is why as a woman I am strongly attracted to alpha males. For they are confident in who they are already. So far I find they bring out my best qualities in a relationship because they leaders not followers which means we can fly together.

I do agree some will call themselves "Free Spirits" use it more as an excuse to be childish.
 Space_Weaver
Joined: 11/27/2012
Msg: 73
Does free spirit mean irresponsible?
Posted: 12/19/2012 10:52:00 PM
I think it is just a title that people peg to themselves to make them look cool. Most that I know who claim this are usually the non-conformant conformist. They are out there though. I can say I know of two people that say and pretty much are the so-called description of a free-spirit. Fun to be with, yet very selfish.
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