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 mister meena
Joined: 9/8/2009
Msg: 225
I had a relationship with someone who was a muslimPage 10 of 11    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11)
My relationship with a muslim woman was the contrary. We met through a chatroom really by accident. I just asked if anyone was from the town I live in and moments later there was a yes reply. We chatted and for about 20 minutes and I discovered she was an overseas student at the University not far from where I lived. We decided to meet so I could offer her the chance to visit out of town places which she'd never have seen without transport. I didn't really know what to expect of her but was pleasantly surprised when she turned up wearing jeans and a sweater. She didn't wear a headscarfe and was totally liberal in her thoughts which made things alot more relaxed, although I still had respect for her culture. We became really close friends and I visited her frequently. Her hospitality was amazing and after a while our different cultures and religious upbringing meant nothing, we were 2 human beings who had strong feelings towards eachother. We eventually after some time had sex, which for her was a very big step. Sex out of marriage for most if not all muslim women is punishable by death in some muslim states. We continued to meet and after 1 year it was time for her to return to her country. We still chat via the web and text after 4 years after her return. She has very liberal thoughts but is still like most muslim women living under that dark cloud of religion dominated and run by men. I can honestly say this.......she is without doubt the sexiest, warmest and most compassionate woman I have met in a very long while. Muslim men rule women by fear and violence because a woman in the words of Islam is worth only half of a man.
 jubbly
Joined: 3/9/2009
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I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim
Posted: 11/13/2009 4:55:49 AM
Islam is a creed, culture...whatever one cares to label it, that has no place in modern society.

Its bloodthirsty diktats and misogynist leanings belong in the mediaeval era. We should challenge and neutralise it on all fronts.
 diabolikk
Joined: 12/16/2007
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Posted: 11/13/2009 5:09:41 AM
mister meena, my experience was roughly similar, only longer lasting. I did 3 years with this great woman but the price I would have had to "pay" was my conversion to Islam to marry her and that, I could not do expecially after studying the religion to know it to see if I could actually do it.
I fough long and hard, I became an expert on it, I even travelled her country 3 times to know it better. My goodwill was defeated again and again by reality.
 Desert Star 1
Joined: 9/4/2009
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I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim
Posted: 11/13/2009 7:55:46 AM
There are many non-muslim men who are just as bad or worse. Many other religions and cultures (some christian) who make women second class citizens.
The fact that he is Muslim may have something to do with it, but I think it has more to do with him as a person.
Not all Muslims are like that, and not all men like that are Muslim. He may be one of the fanatical ones who chooses to interpret various parts of the Qu'ran to suit himself, just as many Christians twist parts of the bible to suit their needs.

It is good that you got out of that - no one deserves to be treated that way.

However, I must say that I would be very wary of dating outside of my own culture .
 Desert Star 1
Joined: 9/4/2009
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Posted: 11/13/2009 9:16:26 AM
Whilst I agree with much of what you've said Nicktomlinrhys, I don't agree with banning any head gear, or any other cultural or religious symbols for that matter.
As for the Africans, most of North Africa is Muslim.

People do tend to tar all Muslims with the same brush. They think they are all radical western hating suicide bombers and its just not true. Whilst I don't necessarily agree with everything in the Islamic culture, I must admit that many of them live by their codes far more than many so called Christians. In fact most Christians shouldn't even be calling themselves that.

As I said there are many puritanical and uptight Christian sects in the world that would put the Muslims to shame. One's where women are 2nd class, not fit to be seen or heard in public. One's where women must cover up and be demure little mice.

It is one of my pet hates - people ignorantly generalizing and writing off an entire culture because of a few extremists.

But all that is besides the point and getting off topic.

As an after thought...I am very surprised that this topic hasn't been deleted. Not that I am advocating such censorship, but it did occur to me that this is far more inflammatory than mine which was removed. Ah well.
 exceptionalgirl
Joined: 7/23/2009
Msg: 230
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Posted: 11/13/2009 10:05:33 AM
I’m of a similar view to Desertstar and also you will find a few atheists on here who will give you chapter and verse about how oppressive Christianity and Judaism are in comparison to Islam which sometimes seems the more liberal faith when taken in it’s pure context.

I was discussing this with one of the guys on here recently and the issue of the woman being “half a man” came up and I was pretty sure I’d read about that way back in a theology degree many moons ago but I looked it up just in case and the point about it is actually fascinating.
Apparently there are 2 places in the Quran that specifically state this

1. When a woman is giving witness to any event it must be corroborated by another woman also or by one man. – the reason being is that sometimes when a woman is menstruating or has PMT she is more forgetful and agitated than other times and could give false witness at that time. So instead of asking her ‘hey are you on the rag dear?’ the judge automatically assumes that she ‘could’ be and so 2 women have to have witnessed the same thing.

I know if one psycho PMT nutter was condemning me to death or prison on her word id really want as many others as possible to have to corroborate her word !

If you consider that there are certain crimes in this country that if a woman commits at a time when she has PMT it is actually accepted as a defence, then it seems that putting that law there like 1400 years ago was quite smart and forward thinking.

2. A woman inherits half the share of a man on the dividing of inheritance.
This has to be taken into account with the laws concerning a woman’s money, because it’s all her own entirely and no one has any claim on it except her. What she earns is hers, what she inherits is for her alone and what she is given by anyone is hers alone.

Whereas the men of the family are commanded to be responsible for the women in their family financially and in every way, even if she has money. So out of what he gets from inheritance he has to support himself, his wife, his daughters and sons (who are underage) sisters, mother aunts in fact any unattached female in the family has a claim on him for support.

There is no other place that mentions a woman being less than a man in any context and in fact men and women are collectively addressed in the Quran as ‘believers’ and God is cited as a genderless being.


EDIT

The walking behind thing was to protect the women in case a man knocks into them as before they were not allowed out in society and then Islam said let them go out but look after them. The only women out walking freely would have been prostitutes, so they said also let them wear modest clothes when out so that no one mistakes them for a prostitute and molests them. That's where the covering up came from, so they could have freedom to go anywhere.

So the men walked in fornt to shield them. Those societies were very barbaric and you must consider that women were so hated back then that they were actually buried alive. The only women out walking freely would be prostitutes

Of course mysogynists will always use whatever they can to put women down but dont blame the faith that actually was trying to give women a fair deal and a real value in the world as a human being.

 saddle-tramp
Joined: 5/14/2009
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I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim
Posted: 11/13/2009 10:11:46 AM
Ye gotto love the left wing apologists for this racist bigotted wicked religion which has passages in it that encourage the marriage of young nine year olds, girls the same age as my daughter! And if you think I haven't read this book, I actually have a copy and have indeed read a lot of the hate filled racist rethoric...Muhamad married and consumated that marriage with a nine year old and muslims take that as ok....

But ye know wot, the left who apologize for this religion is the same as them getting into bed with nazis, and if ye think I am wrong, take a look at racist bigoted Haj Amin al- Husseini who collaborated and called for the extermination of the jews in wartime Berlin and his nephew Mohammed Abdel-Raouf Arafat As Qudwa al-Hussaeini, better known as Yasser Arafat who took over his racist bigoted "mission".

Honestly, if it where white anglo saxon males who had the same views you lot who apologize for them Muslims, you would be screaming bloody blue murder, I note the complete silence from the feminists, the anti racist league type persons, and all the other "I am offended for you wether you are or not" brigades silence against the human rights abuses made in the name of this religion and it's people...
 Jo van
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Posted: 11/13/2009 10:35:39 AM

I note the complete silence from the feminists, the anti racist league type persons,


Well I'd probably consider myself to be in both those categories!
Except that I dislike all religions equally, and this thread is very specifically aimed at only one.
I see nothing logical in the practices of christianity or judaism either, just because they no longer follow the religion to the letter of the law, doesn't make them right, There are plenty of patriarchal, misogynistic passages in the bible too, and violence.
And I don't want to bore people with another rant.
I would just be much happier if I saw 'equal opportunity' religion bashing threads,
and I don't understand the tunnel vision that only seems to focus on 'outside' religions.

Living by the rules of primitive people, 1400, or 2000, or 5000 years ago makes no sense to me, in 2009.
I make no apologies on their behalf.

But picking on just one, does smack of 'tribalism': "We're 'right', You're 'wrong'"
People who live in glass houses.....etc.

When we get rid of ours, we will be in a better position to criticise others. IMO

Until then, it's just one clown, telling another clown he looks silly...
 Desert Star 1
Joined: 9/4/2009
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Posted: 11/13/2009 11:24:01 AM
Well said Jo. You go on a LOOOONG ole rant...I'd like to read what you have to say.
In the end they all worship the same god in the end.

Saddle-Tramp sounds like he is just the type of person I was referring to. Your statements there were very bigoted too.

The arranged marriage practice was very much the norm within the aristocracy and monarchys of many European nations. And they are not the only ones.
Other examples are the Unification Church, the Japanese (10-30% are arranged marriages) and many others. And there are a number of reasons for it, and possibly advantages to it.

You say Islam is bigoted, yet you are just seeing things from the point of a few (relative to the number of Muslims) extremists who twist the Qu'ran, or leave out many passages that do not suit their purpose.

Going back into the history of modern Christianity - that is exactly what happened at the Council of Nicea. The bible was tweaked and edited to suit the various fractions and undesirable parts were left out (and no, I am not going down the Dan Brown Da Vinci Code path with that one).

The early Christian church has committed so many of its own atrocities - and not against people of other religions. Many of their iradication crusades were against other Christians who just happened to believe slightly differently to the main church teachings.
How is that any different?

Those Nazis you were on about probably considered themselves to be good Christians too.

I dont believe in a God, but I dont feel it is anyone's right to laugh at or riducule anyone else's beliefs (not out loud anyway).

The problem with so many people is they only see what the media shows them, and they dont have the inclination or the intelligence to think further and to study the subject outside of the media coverage.

Well, this has gone way off topic really, but I get so angry at narrow minded individuals who fling around opinions that they are given and use words and lables incorrectly. It really grinds my gears!
 saddle-tramp
Joined: 5/14/2009
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Posted: 11/13/2009 12:21:08 PM
^^^^^^^Perhaps you have missed reading where it says I have a copy and have read the qu'ran?

I would like you to point out where my post is bigoted, if not, please remove that as it is libelous....

Also, the subject of this thread is Islam, not Christianity or Judaism....If you want to troll this thread with other religions, it would be more polite to open a new thread with their subjects and I am sure to debate the merits similar to this present day Islams values which where ditched by Christianity a long time ago...

Well my dear, perhaps you'd be happy living with these rules?

Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says:
Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . . (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)

Sura 2:228 says:
. . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . . (Sayyid Abul A’La Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 165)

Sura 4:11 says:
The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 311)

Sura 2:282 says:
And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 205).

Sura 2:230 says:
And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 165)

Sura 4:24 says:
And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319).

The Quran in Sura 4:3 says:
And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 305)

The Quran in Sura 4:129 says:
It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 381)

The Quran in Sura 4:34 says:
4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (Haleem, emphasis added)

The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says:
65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden. (Maududi, vol. 5, pp. 599 and 617, emphasis added)

Oh yeah, and slavery still goes on in the Sudan....
 NuDig
Joined: 6/10/2009
Msg: 235
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Posted: 11/13/2009 2:09:55 PM
Isn't Islam a wonderfully peaceful and tolerant religion - NOT!
 As_bad_as_it_ever_was
Joined: 10/10/2009
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Posted: 11/13/2009 2:14:21 PM
I would like you to point out where my post is bigoted, if not, please remove that as it is libelous....


You can't libel a made up name on the internet. You would have to be publicly named and have something slightly stronger than 'bigot' squared at you for it to hold any water in a court of law.
 exceptionalgirl
Joined: 7/23/2009
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Posted: 11/13/2009 2:20:59 PM
You can't libel a made up name on the internet.


To be fair we don't know that it's a made up name do we? It is highly possible that his Dad was actually called Mr Tramp. The first name could have been a choice because they were equestrian fans perhaps?

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So in that case what reputation could have been damaged exactly? That of an upright upstanding forum poster?
 As_bad_as_it_ever_was
Joined: 10/10/2009
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Posted: 11/13/2009 2:27:45 PM
To be fair we don't know that it's a made up name do we? It is highly possible that his Dad was actually called Mr Tramp. The first name could have been a choice because they were equestrian fans perhaps?


Equally, he would need to demonstrate that he has a reputation that could be damaged. I'm guessing folk who inhabit message forums in their free time generally fall short of that particular requisite!

^^^^^^^^^^


So in that case what reputation could have been damaged exactly? That of an upright upstanding forum poster?


His connections with Royalty, tireless charity work etc etc.
 Jo van
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Posted: 11/13/2009 5:42:21 PM
There's nothing logical about religion.
Whether its Islam, Christianity, or Judaism
All three stem from the old testament, same prophets, same basic laws.
Here are some quotes from our own religion, from Deuteronomy 20:
1When thou goest out to battle against thine enemies, and seest horses, and chariots, and a people more than thou, be not afraid of them: for the LORD thy God is with thee, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

2And it shall be, when ye are come nigh unto the battle, that the priest shall approach and speak unto the people,

3And shall say unto them, Hear, O Israel, ye approach this day unto battle against your enemies: let not your hearts faint, fear not, and do not tremble, neither be ye terrified because of them;

4For the LORD your God is he that goeth with you, to fight for you against your enemies, to save you.

5And the officers shall speak unto the people, saying, What man is there that hath built a new house, and hath not dedicated it? let him go and return to his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man dedicate it.

6And what man is he that hath planted a vineyard, and hath not yet eaten of it? let him also go and return unto his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man eat of it.

7And what man is there that hath betrothed a wife, and hath not taken her? let him go and return unto his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man take her.

8And the officers shall speak further unto the people, and they shall say, What man is there that is fearful and fainthearted? let him go and return unto his house, lest his brethren's heart faint as well as his heart.

9And it shall be, when the officers have made an end of speaking unto the people that they shall make captains of the armies to lead the people.

10When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.

11And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.

12And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:

13And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:

14But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

15Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.

16But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

17But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:

18That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.

19When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof by forcing an axe against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field is man's life) to employ them in the siege:

20Only the trees which thou knowest that they be not trees for meat, thou shalt destroy and cut them down; and thou shalt build bulwarks against the city that maketh war with thee, until it be subdued.

This is in "our" (Not mine though) religions today. These passages are still in your christian bible.
I have highlighted the worst and most violent bits from the above. I suggest you stop reading the Quran and start reading the bible. It is full of violence. The same "god" tells you to do this.
How are 'we' better?
Christianity is killing thousands of people by spreading AIDS, by forbidding the use of contraceptives in countries in Africa where 25% of the population are infected, The pope would rather they died than commit a 'sin'.
-very civilised ?
How civilised are religions that forbid the people who practise it from ever indulging in sex?
How civilised are religions that have orders of monks and nuns who are not only forbidden from ever having sex, they are forbidden to speak?
All these books and rules come from at least 1400 years ago (Islam)
And approx 5000 years ago (Old Testament)
To pretend that any one of them is saner or more rational is delusional.
 Warrencraig
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Posted: 11/13/2009 7:53:11 PM

I know if one psycho PMT nutter was condemning me to death or prison on her word id really want as many others as possible to have to corroborate her word !

If you consider that there are certain crimes in this country that if a woman commits at a time when she has PMT it is actually accepted as a defence,


Surely then if PMT is an accepted defence for certain crimes then that says they cannot be mentally held responsible for their actions??? Ie they are insane???

Surely by that reasoning all woman with a tendency to potentially violent behaviour when suffering PMT should be locked up in secure hospitals under the mental health act??? reason: protection of the public!!

Just as a schizophrenic who had regular violent psychotic episodes would be detained....
 Free-as-a-bird
Joined: 6/30/2009
Msg: 241
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Posted: 11/13/2009 11:57:27 PM
Desert star...

<div class="quote">Many other religions and cultures (some christian) who make women second class citizens

I do not see much of that happening here, or certainly not on the same scale. We have made considerable progress over recent years...


<div class="quote">but I think it has more to do with him as a person

Absolutely, but don't forget religion is a part of him . It's not as if the person in the OP is an isolated incident from said religion/culture!


<div class="quote">Not all Muslims are like that

Just a high number.

Jo Van...

I have no idea what messages 246 and 253 have gotta do with the question raised in the OP? Anyone would think you're attemtping to hijack the thread by promoting your view that religions do not have logic?! Surely, you would be better off starting a new thread, as the topic of this thread is clearly pointed out in the OP...
 As_bad_as_it_ever_was
Joined: 10/10/2009
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Posted: 11/14/2009 1:28:07 AM
Ye gotto love the left wing apologists for this racist bigotted wicked religion


You must have an incredibly flaky grasp of what "the left" actually constitutes to make such a bold and incorrect statement such as that. For starters you can count more feminists per square centremetre inhabiting "the left" than any other political persuasion who would argue against the concept of marriage (a traditional right wing value) let alone be in favour of those of the arranged or forced variety.

Furthermore, "the left" is largely the realm of the atheist; those who reject orthadox religious doctrines on the basis that they are constructed to reinforce the notion of hierarchical rule with 'God' being the supreme leader. So you won't find many championing monotheism in its various flavours within the ranks, either.

Equally amusing is when those on "the right" state that Islam isn't compatible with Western societies as we have made 'progress'. Erm, any 'progress' that has been made has been down to "the left" railing against the status quo with strong objections from "the right" so it's hilarious when you see "the right" using what they would traditionally be against as a stick to beat Muslims with. It was "the right" who were the main obstacle against the suffrogates back in the day so for them to now attack Islam on the basis that it treats women as second class citizens has to be the finest paradox in the entire history of hypocrisy.

As much as all religions stick in the craw, the position of many on "the left" is not defending the ideology of Islam, but of Muslims themselves as fellow human beings and their freedom to choose to believe in whatever sky pixie tickles their fancy. Freedom of choice, freedom of speech; "the right" love the latter of those two... when it suits.
 Jo van
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Posted: 11/14/2009 3:11:05 AM

Jo Van...

I have no idea what messages 246 and 253 have gotta do with the question raised in the OP? Anyone would think you're attemtping to hijack the thread by promoting your view that religions do not have logic?! Surely, you would be better off starting a new thread, as the topic of this thread is clearly pointed out in the OP...

Well I'm sorry if you can't see the connection.
The point I was trying to make, is that it is not just Islam which has a patriarchal and misogynistic attitude to women, and that all three Abrahamic faiths embrace the notion of 'ownership' of the wife.
For example until 1991, it was not a crime to rape your wife in this country, and there are still (I think) some 14 or 15 States in the USA, where this is not considered a crime.
These are christian laws, and so I was pointing out how focusing purely on Islam seemed a little 'blinkered'
From:
http://www.rjerrard.co.uk/law/articles/rape.htm


On the 23 October 1991 The Law Lords unanimously swept away the 250 - year - notion that women agree to sexual intercourse on marriage and cannot retract that consent. See Regina v R (Rape: Marital Exemption) The Times, 24 October 1991; (1992) Cr.App.R. 216 .
The principle established by Chief Justice Hale in 1736 has finally been laid to rest. The rule can be traced back beyond Hale to St Augustine and possible before him. Sir Matthew Hale in his History of the Pleas of the Crown wrote: "But the husband cannot be guilty of Rape committed by himself upon his lawful wife, for by their mutual matrimonial consent and contract the wife hath given herself up in this kind unto her husband which she cannot retract."

For many years after the publication of Hale's work there appears to have been no substantive challenge until R v Clarke [1949] 2 ALL E.R.448.


Please let me know if you are still struggling to understand these difficult concepts, and I will try to help further.
HTH?
 londonwoman40
Joined: 10/10/2009
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Posted: 11/14/2009 5:38:53 AM
What was the topic again?

Ahhhhhh


I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim


Ok, so I did.
For 12 years.
Never lived together.
Him being born and raised in London
- I never met anyone from his family, they were never told about me.

Would I ever do this again?
No way.
 saddle-tramp
Joined: 5/14/2009
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Posted: 11/14/2009 2:35:28 PM
Post 250 - 252...Insulting is the tactics used by those who have already lost and try to discredit by insulting....Another they use is distraction...

Then...If you can't see the irony of the statement "the left jumping into bed with the right" then you have, well, missed the irony....Islam is VERY right wing...Yeah, and leftie tree hugging homosexual lesbian single parent disabled blah blah ad nauseum supporting Islam...Irony?...Got it now, sinking in?
 As_bad_as_it_ever_was
Joined: 10/10/2009
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Posted: 11/14/2009 3:04:41 PM
Yeah, and leftie tree hugging homosexual lesbian single parent disabled blah blah ad nauseum supporting Islam...Irony?...Got it now, sinking in?


That your views seem to be entirely constructed of lazy stereotypes and sloppy generalisations? Yep, got it now.
 flyflyfly999
Joined: 10/7/2008
Msg: 247
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Posted: 11/14/2009 3:15:17 PM
Sadly I dont think people realise just how much domestic abuse still goes on, muslim or otherwise....

Lets not look down on Muslims as if everyone else is squeeky clean, when in fact there are plenty of non-Muslims still knocking seven bells out of their partners or ex partners on a regular basis!
 saddle-tramp
Joined: 5/14/2009
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Posted: 11/14/2009 3:24:06 PM
And it's not just men against women, infact, domestic violence by women against men is higher than ye probably realise....

Spychoticman, really don't get the irony, or is he just playing at ignorance?
 flyflyfly999
Joined: 10/7/2008
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I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim
Posted: 11/14/2009 3:25:31 PM
not disbelieving but I cant say I have ever met a man that has had the crap beaten out of him by a woman on a daily basis
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