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Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 69
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?Page 5 of 6    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6)
Based on personal experience, it takes 5-6 years of post-secondary education to become a teacher. It is a choice and is a lifestyle, because of the countless hours most teachers spend on unpaid overtime. Granted some don't. So - some people want to punish the good for the few rotten apples in the profession. What would a competency test entail?

I think the teacher who advised the above poster to read with his/her child daily was trying to be helpful. Children who come from homes where reading is enjoyed learn to read faster and take greater pleasure in doing so.
Joined: 5/7/2005
Msg: 70
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?
Posted: 2/14/2009 5:52:48 PM

Granted some don't. So - some people want to punish the good for the few rotten apples in the profession.

Well, as an union member,,,maybe suggest you all start getting paid accordingly. Of course as an union you don't like those competency "type" tests,,,do you????? Do you think we should reward ALL of your "group" because of the good ones that are out there????? That's one of the problems when you belong to a union,,,you are always lumped in with the others of your group. You as group,,,better figure that one out.

Based on personal experience, it takes 5-6 years of post-secondary education to become a teacher

Wrong wording,,,and wrong beliefs. Because you go to school does NOT mean you are a teacher. What it means is that you can be HIRED as a teacher. A big freaking difference that more and more do NOT understand. Again,,,the belief that because you go to school,,,get a form of education,,,get hired,,, you DESERVE a set rate on the pay scale. Unbelievable,,,but that's how a lot of people do think now.
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 71
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?
Posted: 2/14/2009 6:03:37 PM
That's one of the problems when you belong to a union,,,you are always lumped in with the others of your group.

Yup. The Thread might have been better worded: "Should a Teacher's Wage Rates be frozen?"
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 72
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?
Posted: 2/14/2009 7:21:57 PM
Wrong wording,,,and wrong beliefs. Because you go to school does NOT mean you are a teacher. What it means is that you can be HIRED as a teacher. A big freaking difference that more and more do NOT understand. Again,,,the belief that because you go to school,,,get a form of education,,,get hired,,, you DESERVE a set rate on the pay scale. Unbelievable,,,but that's how a lot of people do think now

er . . . relax and take a few deep breathes. Yes, I meant professionally in the province of British Columbia. I understand that we are all teachers. At least, I think that is what you are getting at.

The reasons teachers' wages should not be frozen go far beyond the specialized post-secondary knowledge they have acquired. Although, I think you would be very uncomfortable having a Doctor operate on you who has not gone to university.
Joined: 5/7/2005
Msg: 74
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?
Posted: 2/15/2009 2:38:42 PM

Typically you would think an educator would love to learn more about these children they are self diagnosing, and educate themselves as to WHY these students are acting out in class or elsewhere. If not to make their own life in the classroom easier, at the very least to HELP the child in question.

Off topic obviously,,,but right now the medical profession isn't even on board with ADHD and the likes. And if a parent "listens" to someone other than someone in the medical field concerning a child's "health" and what you are putting in their systems,,,I would first look at the parent,,,and question them.

I personally have never had this happen to my child,,,,,and have never heard of this before, either thru the media or talking with others.

I've heard many Teachers, Counselors and Administration,

I have to ask,,,,,WHERE did YOU "hear" this,,,and define "many"????????
Joined: 5/7/2005
Msg: 76
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?
Posted: 2/15/2009 3:27:59 PM
^^^^^ Why then wouldn't YOU ask the people that you know told YOU or others to look at this drug???? Seems a little bit weird that you are asking this question here,,,when you knew which people were giving this advice. And since you already had an "in" when YOU worked at a Secondary School,,,I am sure you had the opportunity to know which people to go forward to and ask over and above the ones in the school it's self.
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 77
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?
Posted: 2/15/2009 5:12:09 PM

I've heard many Teachers, Counselors and Administration, telling parents their child needs to go on Ritalin. I would like to know how they can make such a request without a proper Doctor's diagnosis as to WHY the child needs to take Ritalin. Their explanation is, Bad Behavior, Disrupting the classroom, Hyperactivity and an inability to Focus.

I have not heard any educators make such recommendations. It is simply not their place. An educator may suggest that you have your child accessed for ADD with or without hyperactivity by a reputable Doctor. Children's Hospital is meant to be very good, but then there are many alternatives besides ritalin. People seem to assume that the students who show signs of having ADD with or without hyperactivity are always the bad ones. You may wish to rethink this. You may also want to rethink what bad really is.
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Joined: 5/1/2008
Msg: 79
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?
Posted: 2/15/2009 6:20:27 PM
As someone who spent a lot of time volunteering in my son's classes K thru 7, I saw first hand the dedication of his teachers and absolutely feel they are earning their wages.

Maybe we were just lucky, but at his school every one of the teachers, SEA's and other support staff were seriously involved in the kids' education, during and after-hours. They have to cram a huge curriculum into only so many weeks, as well as having new stuff added every year. Then they have to be on the lookout for kids with undiagnosed learning disabilities, kids who may be at risk for domestic issues, deal with Individual Education Plans for the identified kids and the behaviour kids without smacking the snot out of them.

In the 'olden days' when I was in school, there were no special needs kids integrated. If a kid misbehaved, they got the strap or got sent to the Principal's office for the day. These are the kids that dropped out as soon as they legally could. Now - especially with the inner city schools - the teachers now have to be ESL specialists and deal with exceptionally challenged students with a minimum of aid. How many parents have spent a full day in a class with a teacher to see what really goes on? Would YOU spend 6 hours trapped in a room with 20, 22, 25 kids trying to keep them on task?

The poster's teacher friend who spent the whole day on the cell phone should be fired for cause. Unfortunately, the kids won't know to say anything and, unless one of the parents takes the initiative to get off their ass and participate, she'll get away with it. How sad for those kids.
Joined: 9/15/2008
Msg: 81
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Posted: 2/17/2009 1:30:23 AM
I still have a dispute with the wage figure being tossed about here.

here is my read on it... Lets do the math here people. The figure is probably closer to $22-24/hr after taxes, union dues, medical etc,
multiply this by120hrs/mth and @9mths of work there is no pay for Easter Break,Sumer Break,xmas Breakthat is @12weeks off with no pay .

$22-24 ----120hrs a mth----9mths =$23,760-25,920 a year.

Could you afford to be a teacher?

Most of the teachers that I know of pay for the extra supplies in the classroom ,they put in more than their required 40 hrs a week,they volunteer their time for a lot of extra -curicular activities and coaching.
My kids teachers are at the school at 8am for the students who want more tutoring.

I know my kids teachers are earning every cent of their salary...and deserve more.

I would really love to see less administrators and consultants at the school district...that is wasteful...their salaries should go back into the system before cutting in the classrooms.

as for what I would pay a babysitter...not had to pay for one in a 5 years...but when I was @18/hr...I have 3 kids...and that is what we paid... ya that is low ball figure.. $6/hr/kid.

No a Teacher's wage rate should not be frozen.
We talk about our children being the future...and then we complain about how much their educators are being paid?...too funny.
We have to invest in our kids education if we want to reap the benefits in the future.
Joined: 11/10/2009
Msg: 85
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Posted: 11/29/2009 1:20:14 AM
I think that teachers should get paid well but there should be a better scale based on where they teach. A friend of mine is a grade 3 teacher with a masters degree and has been teaching grade 3 for years. She shows up at 8 am and is out by 3 pm at the latest and gets paid the same as another friend with the same education teaching high school humanities. The work loads for the two are massively different. It makes no sense that they get paid the same.
Joined: 4/27/2008
Msg: 86
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Posted: 12/5/2009 12:46:07 AM
Just remember, that 8 hours a day they are getting paid for is being spent with your children.

Think about it carefully.

Oh, and until you've attempted to teach, you really can't appreciate the dedication, effort and skill required to be a teacher.
Joined: 5/7/2005
Msg: 87
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?
Posted: 2/22/2011 8:02:34 PM

a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids! WHAT A DEAL!!!!

You would let some of these people(teachers) babysit your kids????? And are you calling what they supposedly "teach" in some classes an "education"?????? The system has failed our students and educators(those that actually know how to teach and educate). The unions themselves clump them all together, and because ALL of them are members, they ALL will be painted with the same brush.
More than enough times the ones that are good and go against the union are blackballed by the pieces of crap that hide behind the label "teacher". I know too many cases where good people(and teachers) walk away from the profession, if for any reason, the union(and the shiat they protect) here in BC. It's a shame, but they still are involved with children coaching, teaching privately,etc, without union "rules" which,again, hide the true crap.
Joined: 2/10/2011
Msg: 88
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?
Posted: 2/25/2011 11:39:55 AM
No they should not be frozen. Should yours????

Just get them in the classroom more often teaching the necessitities instead of going for a country stroll out in the park or watching Harry Potter on school time.

Sad to think that the children have been in the school system since age 5 and by the age of 18 are still not qualified to earn a living or some even spell, do simple math or put a sentence together without using the word "like".

Bring back apprenticeships and get the children qualified in something by 18. There are getting to be more families unable to pay huge post-secondary education bills and by the time that they are finished , they still can't find a job.
Joined: 12/12/2010
Msg: 89
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?
Posted: 3/4/2011 2:04:13 AM
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?


Though I will say the way in which teachers are compensated needs to change. I recall hearing about an article out of LA, rating the effectiveness of teachers, and the results did not represent experience or years of education as determining factors (both very commonly used in wage allocation). How do you go about implementing a merit pay system for teachers, which is equitable — I've no clue, but it would probably help.

Further, our system of Education needs to change. One only needs to look into Kipp schools or see the TED talk with Sir Ken Robinson, to get an inkling of some of the changes that are possible (Kipp for the more traditional, desk in rows types, and Sir Ken for the more alternative thinkers/big idea types). And those are two examples of some of the ideas out there, others, such as Montessori, Reggio Emilia, Waldorf, and I've even heard tell of an Existential School in England; these are all possibly great educational options for children ... The point is there is many ideas out there, and they are not all going to work for every community, family, and student. Our system is beginning to fail us, from the bottom up and the top down (let's face it, a degree just doesn't hold the same weight as it once did).

Regardless of the way in which we choose to structure our compulsory education system, we should all be crossing our fingers that we can figure it out quickly before private schools take off. If Canada follows the English down that road, which completely stifles class mobility, argh, I'd be pissed. And you should be too. (not to say that parents should not have the option for private schools, rather, government funded schools should be of an equal quality in education)

On a side note — and I only read the first page of this topic, so I have no idea about all the different ways in which this discussion has swayed — As someone who fell through the cracks of our education system, and is now a teacher, most great teachers are tireless in their efforts to help their students achieve, where an average teacher believes they are doing enough.

I could go on about the importance of strong administration, PD, assessment, developmental approaches, diagnostic approaches, not to mention 21st century skills, and other such buzz words ... but really, the only thing that matters is that kids learn to read good and stuff, like really
Joined: 7/28/2008
Msg: 90
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?
Posted: 3/5/2011 12:00:30 AM
Yep. They should be frozen. Teachers need to understand that they are fortunate in this dumb world and teach with a frenzy and commitment to excellence. They are paid more than enough in my part of Canada. Oh and they have benefits and pension plans and they are needing a big reality check. A big one. I almost cry at their insensitivities to most of the disappearing working class parents and their children in Canada, at least. And..on the other hand parents need to understand that discipline and guiding their children is NOT the teacher's job. Its a two handed prong and both parties better understand that this is their world and they better participate beyond their respective, singular realities.
Joined: 7/28/2008
Msg: 91
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?
Posted: 3/5/2011 12:05:59 AM
Oh...and both parents and teachers need to watch very carefully the creeps who govern us and want nothing less than no dollars being spent on education. Don't believe it? Watch their ignorant and black ways. There is such deception and such denial of the ugliness and awfulness we as a society can and will descend to...eventually.
Joined: 2/27/2009
Msg: 92
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?
Posted: 6/11/2011 6:13:51 PM
Well not really sure,however I was astonished to learn that a teachers make more then I do,and I Do have the most dangerous job in the world. With todays classes being so big, there really is little time for my child...Thus the private school, Icertainly feel that most teachers do not have to be accountable for minimal education produced,since a child can miss a 100 days/yr not really learn anything, and up to the next grade....A very good failing system I believe......yes frozen might be a good thing with benefits coming to the teachers with a more sucessful class....The perhaps the teachers all have great just a thought.
Joined: 12/17/2009
Msg: 93
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?
Posted: 6/15/2011 10:46:58 PM
What you fail to recognize in your 60K a year figure is that MOST teachers who earn that much have 20+ years of experience on the job. Average starting salary in BC is 45K a year, and MOST graduates can't get a full-time continuing contract in BC until they've taught several years as a substitute teacher or on temporary contract. Those teachers who earn 60K+ a year have EARNED their way up to a higher salary through years of work. (which, btw, I think your figure is FAR overblown).

As for complaining about pensions. FYI, as a teacher, I contribute MORE to the pension plan than I do in taxes off of EVERY paycheck. I pay dues into TWO unions, which I have no choice but to pay if I want to work. I pay premiums for medical benefits (which, btw, as I've been told by several health professionals that we have one of the crappiest plans out there). I have to PAY money every year to maintain my certification just so I can actually work. Off of every paycheck I receive, almost 1/2 is taken by taxes/union dues/benefit premiums/pension. I then need to use the remaining 1/2 of my paycheck to support my family, and as others have said, provide food for students who come without lunches, provide resources for my classroom, etc...

For those who complain about summers off. THEY ARE UNPAID. So essentially, I get the benefit of being UNEMPLOYED for two months out of every year.

Pro-D days are NOT "days off" for teachers. We are expected to be AT WORK and actually take classes and learn strategies for becoming better teachers. The world is constantly changing, and Pro-D allows us to adapt to these changes and better serve our students.

It's obvious some of you have NO IDEA what it's like to be a teacher, so who are you to judge what others do?

I teach because I love knowing I make a difference in children's lives. I certainly didn't go to school for 6 years and take on tens of thousands of dollars of student loan debt because it's an "easy" job. Anyone who says it is, doesn't know what they're talking about.

For the amount of education needed to become a teacher, compared with other professions and hours worked, teachers are far underpaid. My sister is a nurse, spent 2 years less in school than I did, works 4 days on, 4 off, and earns 20K more than I do a year.
Joined: 6/1/2011
Msg: 94
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?
Posted: 6/16/2011 3:03:11 AM
Some of those teachers torcherd me while I was in school.
Teachers are the dregs of the academic folk.
Life's tough all over.
Freeze their wages I say.
It warms the cockles of my heart.
Joined: 9/15/2008
Msg: 95
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Posted: 6/16/2011 7:22:52 PM
School Board Trustees should have their salaries frozen or elimated. Why not just pay them for their public service?...cover their expenses....and just their bare expenses, not like it is a fulltime job.

it must add up to some coin....does anyone want to check and do the math?
Joined: 12/17/2009
Msg: 96
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?
Posted: 6/27/2011 6:24:24 PM

I've seen teachers that don't teach and others that only show up for school 3 days a week.
A teacher's pay is prorated based on how many days they work/week. It may not be the teachers' choice to work just 3 days a week, it may be that the school district is not giving them a full-time job and forcing them to work just 3 days/week. Fact is though, if they are only there 3 days a week, they are NOT getting a full-time salary.

I personally think teachers wages should be based on performance of their students.
Let's examine this theory. In a class of 26 students I taught recently, SEVEN had designated learning disabilities, THREE had well documented behavioural issues, and TWO had been tested at having intelligence levels so low that would classify them as mentally incompetant. Due to legal rights, ALL these children are expected to be incorported into the regular classroom. As teachers we then deal with NUMEROUS students who do not do the assigned work and parents who do not back the teachers up in trying to ensure their children actually do anything school related.

We aren't talking about an ideal classroom with just a few students, none of whom have behaviour issues or learning disabilities and all of whom eagerly do any and all work assigned to them. In the real world, there are issues teachers have to deal with in the classroom BEYOND THEIR CONTROL which it would be utterly unfair to penalize them for. It is not my fault some children have learning disabilities, but I try my hardest to help them learn even when realistically they will never meet ministry standards. It is not my fault some parents have failed to instil the value of an education in their children and don't back up the schools, but I will try my hardest to inspire their children anyway. It is not my fault that some children have behavioural issues (either through mental defect or poor parenting, or both) that means that I have to take time away from actually teaching just to maintain order, but I try my hardest to maintain a positive learning environment for all my students. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Student achievement is NOT the sole responsibility of the teacher, but the STUDENT has to also make an effort and PARENTS have to back up the school. When any corner of that triangle is missing, then the student won't succeed and you can't just blame one person for it.

And sorry, but this whole crap about not failing students because it might affect their self esteem? Really? So when they graduate and are still illiterate who's fault is that.
The government who DICTATES that we can't fail students until grade 9. As someone who actually WORKS in the education system, I have to say you are completely mislaying blame here. The government has said we can't fail students. I, and every single teacher I know, disagrees with this mandate, yet we are still forced to abide by it. I have, teaching upper grades, had administration override me and pass students I have failed because they want to push them through the system. Why? Because it costs more money to keep them in longer. Every teacher I know agrees it is an injustice to the students and society, but so long as the public keeps pointing the finger in the wrong direction through their ignorance of how the system works, nothing is going to get better.

Teachers blame the parents but i've seen with my own eyes how screwed up the system is.
It is not the teachers' job to raise your child. If you want your child to learn, you need to recognize that the onus of learning is not on the teacher, but ON YOUR CHILD. As I said before, you can lead a horse to water......I can give students every tool they need to learn and try to help them as much as possible (and believe me, most teachers do go above and beyond for their students), but in the end, if they don't make the effort to do work, or pay attention, or do anything at all, then it won't matter what I do. If they don't want to learn, they won't learn.

As a parent, your responsibility is to make sure your child is making that effort through study and homework. You don't get to pass the buck because you want to shirk that responsibility. If you truly care about your child's education and your child learning, then you'd BACK UP their teachers rather than work against them. I can't tell you how many parents fight for their child's right to use a cellphone in school and then go on to text them or call them when they know they are IN CLASS. How is THAT conducive to learning? Learning is NOT the sole responsibility of the teacher.

And personally, since the only thing they're union cares about is whether they get a raise every year.
FYI, teachers DON'T get a raise every year. In fact, after 10 years working, teachers max out their earnings and will not see a raise again until the government goes back to collective bargaining. In our recent talks with the government, a raise is NOT even being discussed. What is discussed is class size (the larger the class, the less 1-on-1 time students get, and therefore, they don't learn as much), class composition (how many students with special needs are in each class and whether or not they get special student assistants. The more special needs students, the less attention "regular" students will receive as the teacher's time is spent more on those children), job security (most districts in BC are not making teachers continuing anymore, which essentially means many teachers are getting laid off every single summer and so are unable to plan for their futures -- ie. how do you get a mortgage if you don't have a guaranteed job?), and many other things, none of which has to do with how much the teachers are paid.

There are very few teachers out there who actually "earn their pay" in my opinion
Well perhaps it's a good thing then that you don't get to decide, because you really don't know much about what teachers do, how much they earn, what they have to deal with, or who even, is responsible for the policies teachers have to follow.

In the end, it is NOT a teacher's responsibility to raise your child, it is their job to educate them. If I didn't have to spend half my time picking up your slack as a parent, I'd have a lot more time to spend doing mine. If you don't teach your children to be respectful and work towards their education, NOTHING I do is going to do them any good.
Joined: 12/17/2009
Msg: 97
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?
Posted: 6/28/2011 9:40:02 PM
Actually hon, just because you think you know all about something doesn't mean you do. Your knowlege is limited to your individual experience with the system and is NOT indicative of the system as a whole.

I do raise my kids. I spend more time educatintg my children then either of their schools do(both high school and elementary level). I have taught my kids that education is important but who teaches the teachers that. No one picks up my slack as a parent! and for you to assume that well,,, we all know what assume means now don't we.
Perhaps you feel you do your best to raise your kids, but that doesn't mean that ALL parents do. There are MANY, far too many, parents who don't give a damn about their kids' education and don't teach them respect or work ethic and then you're saying it's the teachers' responsibility to deal with the consequences. Perhaps you read it a little too personally what I said, and it wasn't actually my intention to accuse you personally of being a bad parent, and perhaps I should have chosen my words better, but fact is, there are many parents who don't parent their kids, and then expect teachers to do their job and raise their children.

I get the deal with part time teachers but what about a teacher in her first full time position who gets pregnant early on in that year and then calls in sick 3 days a week. She's pregnant not terminally ill.
Sometimes life doesn't always go according to plan. Ideally a teacher would be with the class the whole year, but are you actually suggesting they not be allowed to have their own lives? It's not always possible to plan a pregnancy so that the teacher can give birth during the summer. Teachers are people too and have every right to make their family decisions without consulting their students' parents if it's okay with them. She may be having a difficult pregnancy, which is why she's off a lot. I took over a class for a teacher this year because his wife was having pregnancy complications (this was after losing a child last year) late in her pregnancy and he needed to attend to his family's needs. Sometimes life doesn't always go according to plan hon.

And even better is that next year she'll sit on maternity.
What difference is it to you whether she collects maternity or not? Are you suggesting teachers are somehow less entitled to collect maternity than every other woman in the country? I certainly hope YOU never collected maternity leave, as that may make you a bit hypocritical.

Now in the real world if you don't show up for work you don't get paid. Just saying. I didn't say all teachers were bad. My kids have both had teachers i thought were awesome but, there are plenty of horrible teachers out there and I think their union does too much to protect the bad ones and not reward the good ones.
Now in the real world people get awarded sick time. The same thing happens for teachers. There are only a certain number of days a teacher can call in sick and receive pay. Any time taken away on leave beyond this is unpaid. Every other person I know who works on salary is given sick leave. Every other person I know on salary also receives 2 weeks paid holidays a year. What's that? Teachers get the whole summer holidays off? Yep, BUT THEY AREN'T PAID.

I agree that sometimes the union works too much to protect the bad ones, but how is freezing pay for all teachers in any way going to reward the good ones. You, essentially, are advocating punishing all teachers, good or bad, because you had a few bad experiences.

welcome to the facts of life. lots of people get laid off in this economy and don't know what the future holds. Boo Hoo. Adults deal with it and move on , children whine about what they can't change. And the reason you get laid off is because the enrollment numbers change and so some teachers move to other schools. Again, relocating in the current job market is a fact of life.

If you're going to quote me, don't quote out of context. I stated that is just ONE of the issues being negotiated for with the government. You said teachers are bargaining for more money, which is simply not the case. Just because people get laid off doesn't mean people shouldn't push to get job security. Teachers aren't whining about it, they are fighting to CHANGE what many see as an injustice to its newer union members.

The reason people are getting laid off every year is because the government doesn't want to pay benefits to guarantee jobs for people. For many people it's not a matter of just moving to another school, it's often a matter of relocating to a completely different city, and for many people, a different province. I certainly hope YOU are never in the situation where you basically have to reapply for your job every single year, because your callous dismissal of real concerns teachers have that affect their abilities to support their families shows your complete and utter ignorance for what teachers have to deal with.

Teaching is a priority for every teacher, but their lives do not revolve around your child. They have up to 150 other children they are responsible for teaching, as well as children, families, and responsibilities of their own. I think you didn't understand what I said about learning not being the sole responsibility of the teacher. It doesn't matter how much the teacher teaches, if the child doesn't make an effort as well, the child won't learn. If the parent doesn't do their job to ensure their child is doing their studies, then the child won't learn. I'd love to know what you expect the teacher do to teach your child when a child who refuses to listen, refuses to do work, and is constantly being disruptive to the class?

Teaching requires far beyond just standing at the front of the class and lecturing students. As teachers, we also act as coaches, counsellors, someone students come to to "just talk", someone students come to for advice ranging everywhere from what college courses to take to issues on bullying. On a daily basis we have to discipline children for everything from using cellphones in class to cheating to fighting. We create plans for future classes that will best engage the students we have taken a lot of time to get to know the needs of. We grade papers and tests ad nauseum to get the students their grades back asap (because many students want their test grade back within a day, even when there are 100 to mark). We report regularly to administration and parents about student progress. We keep accurate and up-to-date records on all student progress (and attendance). We coach sports teams (as volunteers, btw. All student extra-curricular activities are done through unpaid volunteer hours). We direct school plays, help run student clubs/teams/groups. We chaperone school dances/activities (again, as volunteer hours). We supervise students in and out of the school before, after, and during school hours so that your child's safety is ensured.

Now, if all you want teachers to do is TEACH your child, then perhaps you want to volunteer to do the rest of our duties? Teaching IS a priority, but that doesn't mean that teachers don't have other things they have to deal with or that they don't have the right to have their own lives.
Joined: 12/17/2009
Msg: 98
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?
Posted: 6/29/2011 6:22:17 PM

And, what did i see on my newsreel this morning? "Teachers voted for strike mandate" and even better, they won't waste their summers protesting. OH NO Not them. They plan to wait till school starts to hold the government hostage so they can get what they want. Sounds kinda like extortion if you ask me!

Guess it's a good thing I didn't ask you because you really have no idea what you're talking about. Perhaps you actually ought to listen to what they are going to be doing. ALL teachers will be in classes at the start of the school year. The government has mandated that we aren't allowed to strike. What teachers voted for was to not participate in non-classroom related activities. So, while they will be in classes teaching, they won't be submitting attendance records, won't be doing report cards, won't be VOLUNTEERING to supervise non-classroom related activities, etc....

Now perhaps you think teachers shouldn't fight for students' interests, which is what we are doing through job action, but personally, when I see most classrooms over the legal limit of students and thus the quality of students' education decreasing due to massive budget cuts, then I think, as a teacher, I need to stand up for them.

To put a teacher's job into another perspective:
If a lawyer loses a case because their client refused to co-operate in their own defence and/or failed drug testing, is it all the lawyer's fault?

If a patient dies because they refused to take their medication as prescribed by the doctor, is the doctor at fault?

In any job where a person has to work with another for results, you CANNOT place the blame for a failure solely on one party. ALL involved need to co-operate and fullfill their responsibilities for success to occur. If a student fails because he refuses to pay attention in class and/or do any schoolwork, it is not the teacher's fault.
 Ed Bear
Joined: 5/19/2007
Msg: 99
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Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?
Posted: 7/22/2011 9:21:06 AM
Did any of you see "Waiting for Superman?" Watching it, and the little kids waiting for their numbers to be drawn, makes one wish every kid could get into one of those magic schools. But, when I looked into it, it's a lie.

The film is basically a commercial for the privatization of schools. The reality - admitted but ignored in the film - is that charer schools do NOT do better than public schools, in general. What they DO do is cherry-pick the successful sudents and kick out those that don't make their numbers look good. When Mr. Canada says they never give up on kids, he doesn't include the ones "counseled out" - advised to withdraw voluntarily - either.

Private schools cost more, pay less and extract profit, and they do nothing at all for the people who need them most. Like health care, education will be improved by putting resources into it, not restricting who gets it.

For more, search for WAITING FOR SUPERMAN, and also the teachers' reply video, THE INCONVENIENT TRUTH ABOUT WAITING FOR SUPERMAN.
Joined: 5/25/2011
Msg: 100
Should teachers' wage rates be frozen?
Posted: 7/31/2011 5:22:12 PM
I'm glad teachers get as much as they do here in Canada. My only problem is the conflict the union makes for the kids. You rarely hear of teachers getting fired because their teaching skills are not good enough for the canadian standards. They just lower the standards for the kids so everyone passes to make teachers look good. A lot of teacher out there should be replaced by people with actual teaching skills. Teaching is a talent.
And for those teachers out there that exercise theit talent, my respects and gratitude. You deserve to be paid more than musicians, professional sport players, politicians, builders, oil workers, etc...
Because it is you who form the kids to be able to perform in the world.
I just wish there were a decent filter to make it more likely for the kids to get quality education, and not go through highschool hating most of the classes because the teacher could not pass the passion to you.
A friend just graduated from highschool this year and told me he loves history because of one good teacher he had this year and that before that, he didn't like social studies at all. What happened to the other teachers he had? Imagine how knowledgable he would be in history if since grade 8th he would've developed such passion?
Same thing happened to me with history and maths. I didn't like math until university. None of my math teachers in highschool knew how to make it interesting.
Some times I'd like to get certified to teach and show kids in highschool that math doesn't have to be this boring-following-orders-and-procedure subject. That it could be about having the freedom to create your own rules to describe the world.
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