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 Sweet_Le_Senza
Joined: 6/1/2007
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However!!!!

I think there is an issue with the entitlement that some of these kids have these days! If a parent spanked a child some would see that as child abuse and that's a joke!
There is a fine line between discipline and child abuse and I think society has played a role in attempting to protect children form heinous child abuse but may have gone too far and this has resulted with a generation of misfits who get no discipline due to parents having a fear of having a 'child abuser' label or having Child protective Services called in.
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
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Escalating Violence in todays youth.
Posted: 11/21/2010 5:21:34 AM

I don't believe those stats are out yet!


And they never will be in most of the stats that you gave me. They stopped giving them out in 2000,,,,,that would be 10 years ago.


They are directly related!
We can't just say we see the violence yet have no paper trail to back our arguments.


Like a politician, you are starting to use tools(or parts thereof) for your own use, and dimissing others,,,for the same purpose. They are NOT directly related. Partially,,,yes,,,,directly,,,,no. If a person actually does an act, yet does not get caught(or they volunteer their participation) how does anyone know if it happens, other than the record of the "act"????? Acts of violence does not always equal CHARGES IN THE COURTS. Ya only get the charges if the person actually gets "caught". They are not always "caught".
So,,,,like politicians, if you don't listen to the general public,,,,ya know, the ones that actually live an "average" life, in the real world,etc. you are not "in touch" with what is really going on. A person in Ottawa doesn't have a clue what is going on here in Delta/Surrey,,,,where we have a culture who have admitted they don't know how to explain to their young on what they should or shouldn't be doing out there in the "real" world.So these young ones become members of gangs, getting caught up in violence and a few other things that their parents have never been exposed to. So,,,YES you can SAY there is more violence,if you are actually EXPERINCING it. Here in the lowermainland we are EXPERINCING it. Kids pulling out guns and shooting each other,,,because that's the tools they have to solve things.
Using "stats" or "surveys" alone to make decisions/laws/whatever is retarded and
a s s backwards. But, it's being done more and more,,,because to "keep in touch", is a lot of work. The biggest failure of law making is that the laws themselves are not made for members of the general public. They are made for and by the politician and lawyer. That was NOT always the case. Laws now protect everyone BUT the general public.
We here in BC are now dealing with a silly drinking law that is assinine at best. Of course the politicians can say they are getting "tougher" to groups like MADD etc, when in fact it doesn't keep the DRUNK drivers off the road at all. Keeps the members of the general public that have a beer or a glass of wine with their meal, and understand the consequences of being "caught", off the road, out of restaraunts,etc though.
Well, that's enough ranting from an old man on a Sunday morn.
 Sweet_Le_Senza
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Posted: 11/25/2010 4:33:02 PM
[ quote] They stopped giving them out in 2000,,,,,that would be 10 years ago.

uuhhh no!
They go from 2008/2009. Not having any stats past 2000 would defeat the whole purpose of Statistics Canada! You do know that right?


no. If a person actually does an act, yet does not get caught(or they volunteer their participation) how does anyone know if it happens, other than the record of the "act"?????


Do you have any evidence of this?
Or are you just suggesting your police force is a joke and the politicians that have been voted in are even more thick?

Start providing me with some sources here pal!
 Sweet_Le_Senza
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Posted: 11/25/2010 4:35:15 PM

LOL maybe if the teachers /councelors/ and school cops kept their eyes & ears open


Maybe we should start putting the responsibility back on the shoulders of the parents on not the rest of society!
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
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Posted: 11/25/2010 5:32:56 PM

uuhhh no!
They go from 2008/2009. Not having any stats past 2000 would defeat the whole purpose of Statistics Canada! You do know that right?


Go reread the stats YOU provided. I was mistaken,,,,,ONLY ONE set of stats given counted past the year 2000,,,,,"average counts of young persons in correctional services" is actually "close" to up to date,,,the year 2008. Meaning,,,they are ONLY counting the young ones that are ACTUALLY in a correctional service somewhere in this country. Not even the ones convicted.Not the ones found not guilty. Just the ones that are in a correctional service.BIG FREAKING DIFFERENCE. Doesn't count the violent ACTS that actually happened!!!!!!!

The rest of the numbers,,,,are all only counted up to the year 2000. Go reread please,,,your "evidence".
You are kidding about what Stats Canada does and doesn't do right???? They collect numbers,,,and only the numbers that they collect are used. Ever been asked to do a survey????? Do you answer every survey???? Stats are only as good as the numbers collected,,,and stats Canada has proven in the past they can't do the job they wish,,,even when they spend thousands(millions???) to try. Census anyone?????


Do you have any evidence of this?
Or are you just suggesting your police force is a joke


What are you talking about????? It's not the police,,,it's the system. At one time,,,,there was a young offenders act,,,,one of which "hid" the little shiats till they reached a certain age(18???? though I believe they have now dropped it to 16????). Talk to an officer or two,,,and they can tell you they have examples of repeat offenders,,,,by name,number and street address. Nothing they can do,,,,if they play by the bleeding hearts "rules".
I guess what you are looking for is "concrete" evidence???? Something that you can READ instead of SEE????? That would be what you define as evidence????? Not the young lady that got raped by a group,,,while another group watched???? They weren't a bunch of old farts hanging around,,,they were high school students. I think ONE charge has happened. ONE!!!!! Even though they have video tape. Even though hundreds of other "young" people were there. The "stuff" that was coming out of the student's mouths after the fact almost made me puke,,,,pointing towards the victim as the reason for it all. Of course,,,you can't see that on a piece of paper.You also didn't see "on paper or in your STATS" the person that decided to blast a mother in the head while she drove her car with a youngster sitting in the back seat,did you???? And you say you're afraid of the Angels??????


Maybe we should start putting the responsibility back on the shoulders of the parents on not the rest of society!


Orrrrrr we,as a society,,,quite treating the little shiats with kid's gloves when they decide to act grownup doing goofy things. Like,,,,maybe,,,,just take the children away from these so-called "parents" and reteach them a thing or two about responsibility, accountability,,,and the golden rule?????? Of course,,,,we would hear whining then about how the parents' rights are being abused,,,,correct????
 Sweet_Le_Senza
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Posted: 12/9/2010 9:24:54 AM

We are also taking violence,,,,NOT court appearances,charges and whatever else that they can come up that can show "numbers". A lot of theses little shiats don't even see a cop let alone a judge.


Violent crimes such as what? Murder? Rape? Robbery?
If these crimes go unreported (which they don't)then the problem is within your particular jurisdiction and the way the Chief of Police is running the show, not to mention the mayor!
 tizzabelle
Joined: 8/20/2010
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Posted: 12/9/2010 9:31:10 AM
:/ ain't that the truth

Edit: once in awhile though, I think it is the victims not coming forward.
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