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 BulldogMedic
Joined: 12/31/2004
Msg: 226
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please tell me why you need a gun


So, if you break into my house, I can shoot you in the forehead..
 SexyandBrainy
Joined: 6/26/2005
Msg: 227
Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/21/2005 11:17:59 PM
and exactly how many people have you had to shoot in the forehead so far?
 BulldogMedic
Joined: 12/31/2004
Msg: 228
Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/21/2005 11:19:44 PM
Seven.
 SexyandBrainy
Joined: 6/26/2005
Msg: 229
Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/21/2005 11:21:12 PM
you had seven people break in to your home?
 BulldogMedic
Joined: 12/31/2004
Msg: 230
Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/21/2005 11:22:54 PM
What are you writing my biography?
 SexyandBrainy
Joined: 6/26/2005
Msg: 231
Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/21/2005 11:29:03 PM
As a matter of fact I am, and I'm naming it "mong". next?
 BulldogMedic
Joined: 12/31/2004
Msg: 232
Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/21/2005 11:33:11 PM
Death to the terrorist, infidel burgulars.
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 233
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Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/22/2005 12:11:29 AM
purebredmutt

You've finaly said what we all have known for a long time,...
that this demand for instant gratification,....due to your short attention span
is what the crux of the whole problem, the rest of us have with how you the
American people go about doing things,...

it is easier to step up agression slowly ,...than it is to backpeddle once you
have kicked down the door with all guns a blazing,....and yet you do,...

Correct me if I'm wrong,..but Bush has declaired the war in Iraq to be officially over,...

This is your impression of over?????,..
doesn't look over for the rest of the world either me thinks,....

in fact if the attacks on British soil are any indication at all
and this is purely speculation on my part as I don't have enough information to make the call

but it seems to me that the battle lines of this "War on Terror"
are no longer contained within Iraqi borders,.....
and this war began in Iraq for the simple need for revenge for 9.11
and your need for instant gratification,....( G.W's need to one up daddy)
and because someone needed to be blamed and pay for the deaths,....

it doesn't matter that there has never been any proof that Iraqi's
had any involment in,..or knowledge of,...that attack,....
if anything there has been more proof that they (Iraqi's) didn't

That in fact Bin Laden did,....but if you can't get him well then go with option B

By changing your motivation retroactively,...because Sadam is such a
tyrant looses something,...when you stop to think,..well yes but he has
always been that,..and nothing has changed after the previous war
some ten years ago,..so why the urgency to get him gone now,...

Why not during the Clinton administration????,...Sadam had to have been
the same killer / tyrant back then,....and history backs me up on this
What made it impossible to follow through on the UN's suggestion to take
more time and to make sure all your facts are correct,....which history now
proved,... as you well know,... to have been wrong,....because of what you
stated earlier,...your need for instant gratification,.... that's why


and BTW what is this thing about labeling everything,...
WAR ON TERROR,...WAR ON DRUGS,...

Besides how do you declair war on an idea,....you declair(ed)
war on people because that's who dies when you fire your guns,...

Has it ever ocurred to you (American People)

That by having made this pre emptive attack on Iraq,...you have in fact
made Al quida's point for them,....and that you are exactly what Bin Laden
has been claiming,..infidels who need to display might,..if you can't be right,...

In their eyes ( I surmize) no one can anyone feel safe from your retaliation?,...

As I stated earlier all of the reasons for going into this conflict have been
proven over time to have been wrong,..still Bush has never once apologized
maybe if he does,....less of your troops will be retaliated upon by people
(who appear to me, at any rate ),....to be clearly in fear OF YOU ,....

One of YOUR most cherished rights,....is that you are innocent UNTIL PROVEN guilty
.....does that only apply within your boundries,...and for your citizens?
 Hick54er
Joined: 5/11/2005
Msg: 234
Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/22/2005 12:23:38 AM
Okay Montreal Guy: Firstly, Canada gaining nationhood at Vimy is a postwar construction.. For details see Death So Noble By Jonathan Vance, a University of Western Professor. Canadians were present at the talks, but really had no significant impact or voice. And no Canadian signed at Versailles.

OT Japan has more stringent gun control than Canada, more violent crime and shootings. Ditto Britain. Gun control doesn't work. And the majority of Canadian shootings happen from hanguns, the most stringently regulated of guns in Canada. Let's chalk it up to culture, shall we?

Now, I'm in Canada, I don't have a constitutional right to bear arms, I have guns locked away in a deep dark safe, with proper permits, etcetera. SexyandBrainy was asking why someone needs to own a gun. In Canada, by the time you unloock and load a gun, if stored properly (in the legally prescribed manner), a burglar could break in and beat you to death with a whiffle bat before you unlock it, and the ammunition and load it. So in Canada, a legal gun for home defense is a ridiculous idea. Next... How can we put this.. outside of Toronto, the liberal nexus of Canada, where individuals remove their heads from their behinds only long enough to cast a vote for Paul Martin once every four years( I joke, I joke, please don't shoot). Whatever happened to rural people needing guns to defend livestock from predators, to hunt if they find it recreational, to target shoot if that strikes their fancy, or how about an heirloom passed down through generations, something a relative carried in a faroff war, the list is long and I don't have time. The point is, there are legitimate uses for guns, and people should be able to legally own them. I haven't been brainwashed, but I feel that the state should not be overtly intrusive into the personal lives of law abiding citizens. Now if gun related crime penalties need to get stiffer, so be it. Naturally, I believe in letting people do their own thing if it's not harming anyone, and that just because a cause is fashionable or popular it is not necessarily right. As a primer, may I suggest some Locke or Hobbes? On Liberty and Utilitarianism should work just fine there SexyandBrainy. If you'd like to pleasantly concede a few points here and pleasantly surprise me, cool. Respect goes up.. But if you'd like to parrot gun control slogans repeatedly,
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 235
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Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/22/2005 12:39:55 AM
The legitimate uses for guns that you (hick54'er) listed are indeed legitimate,..
which is why they issue permitts for all of those in Canada, to it's citizens
Gun controll,.... doesn't mean no guns allowed

You didn't know that?

no concessions needed,...(sexy and Brainy)
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
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Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/22/2005 12:48:10 AM
It is illegal to carry a hand gun,....except from your home to a gun club and back,...

There are millions of hunter in this country and they don't do it just with a bow and arrow,...
you do however have to be lisenced,...and that's bad because?

Keeping said gun/rifle in a safe place when not in use is bad because?,....
 Hick54er
Joined: 5/11/2005
Msg: 237
Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/22/2005 1:22:38 AM
Elev_8- it is indeed a mute argument... it is textual, mute cannot be heard. Now if you had said mute on the other hand, that I would disagree with. And having a gun locked up is a pretty good idea, it keeps home shootings to a minimum, like jealous husbands shooting wives, vice-versa, the Flint Mi school shooting, etcetera... A right to protect home and property is a right, but with rights come responsibilities... like your children not offing classmates with YOUR 38 special. Now if getting to shoot a home invader with your available and loaded weapon is worth the risk of your kids offing each other, or stray rounds maiming those you love if you miss said invader, please, fire away. I'm a good shot, but it's still not worth it.... nor is the probability (yes, probability) that the weapon i pull is going to be taken away and used on me.

And as for the above posts directed towards me... I know the laws, don't lecture, and Elev_8, you don't, read the entry under the one I was directed to that said it's been illegal for Canadians to own handguns. Now, what if you are classified as a "collector" in Canadian law, and therefore your rights against search and seizure are waived? That's right, police need no warrants to search your house.... Neat huh?
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
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Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/22/2005 1:25:58 AM
We also don't have children going to school with them,..
or having to have them going through metal detectors
before they can enter said school,.....I for one am OK with that

I'd also rather have my dog protect me in my home,....than a gun,...
and I don't have to have 20 locks on my door because I'm terrified
that any minute now someone is gonna break in my home,...

If someone were to break into my home when the dogs and I are out
and steal what little I have,..well then they need it more than I do and
for that I choose not to have to live with the memory of having killed someone...

to me life is more important than stuff,....

Did you know that more people are killed in your country by their
own weapons being used against them,...during a home invasion?




 Hick54er
Joined: 5/11/2005
Msg: 239
Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/22/2005 1:30:08 AM
Um... my country is your country. And yes, I knew that... although weapons includes ballbats to knives. And whether it be dog or gun, maiming or killing is still maiming or killing. Just because you trained a dog doesn't make it any different from pulling the trigger. Other than that, I agree
 BulldogMedic
Joined: 12/31/2004
Msg: 240
Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/22/2005 1:36:57 AM
Better lock those guns up, before they jump into the hand of a schoolchild, and control his mind to kill people. Let's not place the blame for people who murder others on those who actually commit the crime, or the parents of these neglected children, it must be the fault of the gun. Of course, no liberal has ever come up with a satifactory rebuttal to why we shouldn't ban automobiles, as they kill far more people every year than firearms.
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
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Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/22/2005 1:40:32 AM
Actually (hick54er) I haven't train him to do anything but eat from a spoon (don't ask,...lol)

However I had a landlord come into my home without prior permission
by me ,..some time aga,...he was in was trying to sell the house in which
I rented an apartment,....I was asleep in bed,..because of a migrain at
the time,....my dog was curled up with me,...when the landlord came
down the hall with potential buyers,.....my dog lunged at him,...
He didn't bite,...mame or kill,...but he did do his job and the
landlord NEVER tried that one again,....
 Hick54er
Joined: 5/11/2005
Msg: 242
Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/22/2005 1:47:54 AM
Let me get this straight... with a name like Mauser.... you're on the side of more gun control, right? I think a subtle nuance may have been missed here. The Canadians, from what i can gather, are not looking to limit your rights. Just because you have the right to do something doesn't make it a good idea. And my lefty friends keep making me sit through those whiney Michael Moore movies. So to begin, we're not fervent about gun control so much as common sense, the kind of common sense that makes the leading causes of death here not shootings. So in other words, we're trying to talk y'all out of not offing each other in incredibly large numbers. Chalk it up to our polite and helpful nature. And after looking at the news, your country will be occupying mine soon, and thus I would like to encourage our future rulers to be moderate. That facetious comment aside, it's not a limiting your rights thing, it's an exercising them sensibly thing, mainly so I don't have to watch more of y'all off each other on the six o'clock news. It's so I don't have to be inundated with more school shooting footage and the Dixie chicks can get back to writing music instead of driving around looking for a republican convention to flip off. It's because your carelessly stored and stolen guns end up on our streets, in the hands of our criminals. Personally, if you're quiet about it, please, shoot each other, maybe when you're all gone I can get some good TV and move to South Carolina and get a tan in October.
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
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Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/22/2005 1:51:33 AM
all righty then Bulldog,...I'll play,...

Lets do that then shall we,...place the blame squarely where it belongs,.....
People who kill people with guns,....

remember where and how the term going Postal first began,....
wasn't here in Canada,..nor Britan,..nor France or Germany,....

Did you actually see,..."Bowling for Colombine",...
I'm guessing NOT,...Well it does a fine job of rebutting your statements,...
which are so far beyond reason they aren't even worth going into,...

So go rent the documentary,..made by one of your countrymen not
some foreighn rabble rouser like me,...and then let's talk,...
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 244
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Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/22/2005 1:58:40 AM
Thank you (hick)for helping me, verbalize my point,...

I had a momentary brain freez due to the mind boggling statement by Bulldog
as a rebuttal to my earlier post,....Just when you think you've heard it all?...

Boggles the mind it does,....
 Hick54er
Joined: 5/11/2005
Msg: 245
Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/22/2005 2:01:20 AM
Bulldog: Guns don't control children's minds, but then again, leaving them lying around where children can get them is irresponsible. Yes, children can make decisions. No, they cannot form rational informed consent because they're too young. That's why you have to wait to the age of consent to marry or form legally binding contracts. If you can't trust your young children to make binding legal contracts, how can you trust that same child with a lethal weapon. Sending the six year old from Flint who shot his classmate to the chair isn't the right answer. Not putting a gun in his hand is.

Mauser: I love the cavalier attitude about shooting another man. My guess is you have never actually seen combat, and never actually had to fire on someone to protect your life. Pulling the trigger on a man isn't as easy as you might think, nor is dealing with someone's blood on your floor at home. There is also the possibility that that person who is also carrying, and prepared, may not have otherwise fired, but does since you're armed. And there is a fair chance that that person is a better marksman, given the penchant for pistols all too prevalent in America. Killing someone to protect your "stuff" that is likely insured is ridiculous, and the empty bombast that accompanies such a statement is laughable. Even if the guy makes off with ten grand worth of stuff. Would you shoot a man for 10 grand? I wouldn't.
 Hick54er
Joined: 5/11/2005
Msg: 246
Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/22/2005 2:02:24 AM
um, the way I see it here, you're helping me verbalize my point....
 Hick54er
Joined: 5/11/2005
Msg: 247
Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/22/2005 2:36:18 AM
So much of this is a fool's fallacy. yes, make yourself as helpless and inaccessable as possible. You've got a better chance of living if you're unarmed. IT's a fact, live with it. And you don't have to pull the trigger on a home intruder. It's always your choice. You live up to the American stereotype, you want to show you've got big balls, be John Wayne. That's great. Now step past your ego for a moment, and the idea that shooting a home intruder makes you some kind of hero. The point of this is to survive, not to get buried with full honors, or to be within your rights so you can shoot someone. Or that you need to protect what's yours... or that you're not helpless. You pretty much are. A concerted person who wants to kill you, probably will. And that person is not going to break into your house... they will do it from a block away through a scope if they have any sense at all. People generally break into houses to take things... not kill people... too much TV. Read more Hobbes, watch less TV. I think i'm about done trying to educate the rabid gun toting, John Wayneing, TV watching American psyche tonight. Maybe tomorrow
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
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Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/22/2005 2:52:22 AM
no one ever said you should assume anything,....
or that you should make yourself as helpless as possible

but the truth of the matter is (according to insurrance companies)
the odds of a home invasion occuring while you are in your home is
more remote that the likelyhood of your being hit by lightning,...

calling the police is always a reasonable response though
in the unlikely event that you are broken into,...

having a gun (loaded and ready) shouldn't make you feel any
more secure or comfortable,.....and it does avoid irreversable mistakes
made by a person who wilded a gun to make himself feel less helpless

and I agree with (hick),.....my stuff isn't worth becoming a killer for,...

 Hick54er
Joined: 5/11/2005
Msg: 249
Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/22/2005 3:11:27 AM
My advice.. give up... education seems well nigh impossible here

Of course you agree with me... I'm always right. Except for one time in 1989, i thought I was wrong, but it turned out I was right.... Smart, funny, attractive, what a package...
 TimPommell
Joined: 1/13/2005
Msg: 250
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Re: Gun Control
Posted: 7/22/2005 6:53:17 AM
Mauser, let them rant. Anyone who cites Micheal Moore as a credible source is obviously not in tune with what 90% of Americans call left wing crack pots.
They can bring a dog or a bat to a gunfight if they wish, but personally I would prefer to have the upper hand. I am ex-military, well trained in the use of firearms, and sadly in the affect they can have on a human being. My desire to be something OTHER than an easy target is what causes me to own and maintain them.
It's difficult to have an appreciation for a freedom you have never experienced, but extremely easy to chastise some one for not being willing to give up that freedom.
Of course there have been misuses of firearms, as there are of ANYTHING else in all cultures. Should there be common sense and responsibility? Absolutely! Reckless drivers kill more people, including school children, than guns, but you don't hear anyone trying to outlaw individual transportation. This selective and radical thinking is what keeps liberals out of power in the US and it will continue to do so for years to come. I suspect guns will remain a hot topic until some other sensationalist act captures the attention of the socialist movement of the left.
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