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 taurus516
Joined: 11/3/2004
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Supply and demand.....remove demand. Alternatively, remove supply....and get down to Natural...



Out of all the things said on the subject this one disturbs me most.It's like you're saying you want to change people.It's like you're saying people aren't capable of making their own choices competently,therefore you and your ilk must step in and make those decisions and choices for them.Every tin horn dictator and every repressive philosophy that made his/it's mark on human history held a belief like that.They ALL felt that they were right and their ends justified their means.

It's a very dangerous form of elitism in my opinion.
 taurus516
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Posted: 8/10/2005 8:12:24 PM
Way back there, behind all the 'reasonable rederick', there "you" are, and you know what I am talking about.


Yes I know what you're talking about,Ticket,but it's one of those higher ethic things that you can't force on people.People have to make those choices on their own,from within,no one needs a special interest group or a politician to use any kind of manuveurs to ban porn or anything else that may or may not be harmful to people.

Smoking is harmful,drinking alcohol is harmful.Yet there are people who indulge in both with some sense of moderation and when they leave this life,it's not the cigarrette or the drink that took them to their grave.Yes,they paid a price for their vice,maybe they were short of breath at times,maybe they're minds went in and out of the fog from time to time,but they didn't become stats like the temperance people would have you believe all smokers and drinkers become.See where I'm going here?Most of the people that expressed their like for porn are not the porn hounds,they're not pervs who can't get any and therefore have to jerk off to a computer screen,they're people who already have significant others and just indulge with fantasy erotica.Most of their time spent is in laughter for the downright silliness of it.From what I've read of the porn hounds as you call them or porn addicts as the Jerry Falwells of the world call them,many in the psyciatric community beleive these people suffer an already existing obsessive compulsive disorder and porn is just a symptom.If porn didn't exist it would be something else that destroyd their lives and social stature.From what I personally saw when I worked at an adult video store,I would tend to agree with them.I sold and rented to these people daily.Many of them were obsessive about everything .

You missed my point on the lawsuit issue.I wasn't really making an issue on legality but rather pointing out that people use this as a bench mark for proof of an issue.It just seems to me that if it was so damaging,somebody,somewhere would've taken up a legal claim.I'm really surprised that the anti porn crusaders with their claims of porn being an addiction and breaking up families and such haven't found a poster child for their cause and made such a claim publicly.Such an action would rally your cause for banning it as it would attack the profit margin of the porn business.I would suspect that the reason why it has not been done is that proving that it causes such damage would be a monumentally difficult and expensive task.

Furthermore,DragonN's claim that the legal porn that is cranked out in LA supports and promotes incest,rape,bestiality and pedophilia is like claiming that the person who smokes pot is supporting crack cocaine.

By the way,I have no problem looking women in the eye,or anyone else for that matter.Nor do I have trouble with a hard stare in the mirror.
 taurus516
Joined: 11/3/2004
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Posted: 8/10/2005 8:28:15 PM
In essence...one is suggesting that " Freedom" to promote perversion. [Child pornography is only ONE off shoot of the Porn industry and is alive and well in the USA as well as other locales. Bestiality, Snuff films<--- Rape Sex and murder.] is a measure of Society's evolution?

Degradation of Human Sexuality into a form that barely resembles sex?

Already so far degraded by the perverse, that a knock on the reality door instigates the labelling of any other opinion as "Elitist".....Then you are off base. The admission of such points to the truth. Recognizing that one has slid down the evolutionary ladder...and is part and parcel of the slime pit.

Ignoring the dangers of the "sex workers in film" and accepting them?? What rational human being would go there?


Every tin horn dictator and every repressive philosophy that made his/it's mark on human history held a belief like that.


Blinding oneself to the obvious revulsion of Snuff and Bestiality porn? Poor arguement for the betterment of society, or interpersonal relationships.


You know if everyone was racing to commit these acts you describe,I would agree with everything you have stated. What is a measure of society's evolution is the CHOICE to promote within oneself what is good for them and those around them.The fact that this material is available and has been for a very long time (btw,porn is NOT a new invention that popped up with the internet,it goes back to Neanderthal times and cave paintings)and society still hasn't crumbled proves this.I doubt very seriously that society will ever accept child rape or beastiality regardless of what's on the net.You can type in the horrors of war on a google search and come up with some of the most atrocious pictures and vid clips of war carnage but it won't desensitize a person to commit murder if that urge is not there to begin with (this has been proven in a court of law by the way).

I don't claim anything for the betterment or the degredation of society.I just don't want any government or special interest group making decisions for me.The decision to view porn or not or whether it should be part of a person's relationship or not,rests ONLY with those indivduals concerned.

For more on this feel free to check out my post in off topic about individual freedom vs.the good of society.It'll move this discussion beyond porn which is where it needs to go.Porn is a very trivial issue in my opinion but tacked onto it are springboards for any more serious issues.
 Ninki
Joined: 4/11/2005
Msg: 307
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Posted: 8/11/2005 5:36:31 AM
@Tickettoride
They can intuitively tell, and are generally turned off by these kind of characters.



You're exactly right. Those types of men, who are heavily into porn and/or who insist a woman must shave her vulva, etc. stay away from me instictively. Good thing, too...

N.
 Ninki
Joined: 4/11/2005
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Posted: 8/11/2005 5:40:52 AM
It's a fact that in those societies were people have a repressed attitude toward sex(uality) in general, porn thrives. Did you know that Saudi Arabian men are the biggest porn consumers in the world? Why do you think that is? African or South American bushmen don't need porn. They go around naked all the time, going about their business. Sex isn't an issue for them, If they're horny they F***.

N.
 Ninki
Joined: 4/11/2005
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Posted: 8/11/2005 8:13:16 AM
louispointe
I'm not even against the "humiliation" of women


huh? This doesn't fit with everything else you wrote. Oh, and thanks for the compliment.


N.
 freespirit9931
Joined: 11/27/2004
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Posted: 8/11/2005 8:16:20 AM
I have to agree that some porn is sickening. Porn envolving animals or children is discusting. Anyone who makes porn of children needs to be executed and I would be the first one in line to gladly pull the trigger. I can think of sicker things to do to people that promote sex with children in anway, but that might be a different thread.
There is however porn that I enjoy, and believe it or not some of them actually have a story line.
My major problem with porn is that the guys are ugly, Ron Jeremy is one of the ugliest men I have ever seen.
I don't believe that watching porn or being subjected to it will make you a pedophile or a sick sexual pervert. Porn films are like all other films, they are fiction, and if someone can't distinquish between fact and fiction than they have other issues.
I have heard about the porn where they supposedly kill someone, and that is just sick.
My fiance and I watch porn and also have the playboy channel, we enjoy it together.
It has not made us perverted in anyway. It is entertainment, pure and simple, just not as tame as Disney.
 corazondeleon
Joined: 12/28/2004
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Posted: 8/11/2005 12:46:47 PM
Snuff film a myth? Maybe but people have died while trying to make them. No one can really give any examples of it's benefit to anyone just a jerk off aid. There was a lot of porn in jails before they banned it in most jails, I'm told. Criminals are the no1 viewers of porn. For those who love porn, keep on wanking!
 taurus516
Joined: 11/3/2004
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Posted: 8/11/2005 8:20:26 PM
It's a fact that in those societies were people have a repressed attitude toward sex(uality) in general, porn thrives.


I believe the explosive proliferation of sexually explicit materials is a bit of a back lash to repressive attitudes of yesteryear.There will come a time when sensory overload will kick in and it's proliferation will cease.It's just about maxxed out it's profit potential now.Most porn,like any other lucrative part of capitalism is sold and the profits reaped by a handful of megaconglomerates.

I foresee a time when porn will be viewed as a quaint nuisance and nothing more.I'm speaking of the mainstream porn.The other stuff will always remain criminal acts.
 taurus516
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Posted: 8/12/2005 10:58:32 AM
There was a famous "fake snuff" film that was made in brazil, and another one made in Japan that was so "creepy and real" the FBI actually investigated it.



I forget the dude's name,but I think that guy was a retired FBI agent who made such urband legends as snuff film and Satanic Ritual Abuse his personal crusade.Many of his peers in the FBI considered him sort of a Don Quixote,chasing windmill dragons.
 corazondeleon
Joined: 12/28/2004
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Posted: 8/12/2005 12:28:42 PM
Sounds exciting! do you have virtual sex with computers and vibrators too?
 taurus516
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Posted: 8/12/2005 1:50:31 PM
Snuff film a myth? Maybe but people have died while trying to make them. No one can really give any examples of it's benefit to anyone just a jerk off aid. There was a lot of porn in jails before they banned it in most jails, I'm told. Criminals are the no1 viewers of porn.


I've been in the TV news business for over 2 decades and have never known of an actual snuff film being confiscated anywhere.Maybe they exist somewhere but really if you want to see snuff all you have to do is turn on the news.It happens every day.

People have died making regular movies.The Twilight Zone,The Crow,to name a few.

Maybe there's no hard evidence of benefits from porn,but there's no hard,scientific evidence of harm either,just opinions.

You have demographical studies that criminals are the number one viewers of porn?

And thanks,Cora,I'll keep wanking AND having great sex with or without porn around.
 corazondeloen
Joined: 7/30/2005
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Posted: 8/12/2005 5:19:27 PM
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 corazondeloen
Joined: 7/30/2005
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Posted: 8/12/2005 5:21:27 PM
My shadow grows bigger.
 corazondeloen
Joined: 7/30/2005
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Posted: 8/12/2005 6:22:08 PM
Me corazon, me pest.
 corazondeleon
Joined: 12/28/2004
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Posted: 8/13/2005 8:55:02 AM
How did you get my password or log on as me? I don't really care because this place is a joke and I come here briefly for levity. I f you folks need porn to stimulate you then I would submit that you don't have much of an imagination and rely on someones else's to get your juices flowing. Pretty sad, but so is porn. Keep on wanking
 Huisatcheman
Joined: 7/31/2005
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Posted: 8/13/2005 8:59:01 AM
Hey corazon,,hang in there bud. Naw I don't need porn to stimulate me anymore. I'm past all that. I got an imagination that is bawdy enough, and full of ideas. But I don't talk about that stuff. I got a bad enough image as it is.
 shadowgirl58
Joined: 7/24/2005
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Posted: 8/13/2005 11:10:30 AM
If that is the taste in reading material so be it-not going to change anyone..
 SHE-DEVIL-36
Joined: 7/28/2004
Msg: 331
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Posted: 8/13/2005 11:39:17 AM
Porn is not cheating....my goodness girls....that is like saying playing with yourself is cheating!..it is just something that is exciting and sexy....and a huge turnon...as long as the person is not talking with other people........heck....I would wanna see my guys's collection of porn so I could surprise him with his most secret fantasy come true!....my ex loved the thought of being with a hooker..so he loved looking at short skirt...and fishnet hose..and heels..with tons of makeup.....so for his birthday....did a treasure hunt for him..with me at the end....I was dressed to the hilt and YES he had to pay!!!..LOL......he LOVED it........hehe......he was also turned on by the stripper fantasy...so guess what he got for his next bday?..hehe
 taylor71
Joined: 7/5/2005
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Posted: 8/13/2005 8:19:46 PM
Kc,
I was just checking this out and there you were..You are a bad girl.
 Foxtail
Joined: 7/3/2005
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Posted: 8/14/2005 1:37:29 PM
I had a Ex who watched porn with me.
 corazondeleon
Joined: 12/28/2004
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Posted: 8/15/2005 10:18:46 AM
I wouldn't want a women who watched porn just like I wouldn't want one who got loaded. Porn is like having sex vicariously just like sometimes here having a vivarious relationship here on the computer instead of in person. I all for sex but not through a 3rd partie's twisted views. That's why porn is so popular with criminals!
 corazondeleon
Joined: 12/28/2004
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Posted: 8/16/2005 11:30:02 AM
No one is helping you. I guess in the woods of Manitoba you'll try anything. I didn't say all people who look at porn are criminals, I said that criminals love porn. You can all be proud
 corazondeleon
Joined: 12/28/2004
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Posted: 8/17/2005 10:00:17 AM
Most people view it in their younger days but should grow out of it and become involved with real people unless they are voyers or criminals.
 corazondeleon
Joined: 12/28/2004
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Posted: 8/17/2005 12:35:13 PM
No I don't like porn and have seen it destroy lives. But this is American, or here at POF ,Canada so you are free to patronize the merchants of misery if you like
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