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 kaptainkarl
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from stargatetimeportal.com

NOAH 1056-had Shem at 502,flood at 600,lived 950yrs.,died in 2006.

SHEM 1558-had Arphaxad at 100,lived 600yrs.,died in-2158.

ARPHAXAD 1658-had Salah at 35,lived 438yrs.,died in-2096.

SALAH 1693-had Eber at 30,lived 433yrs.,died in-2126.

EBER 1723-had Peleg at 34,lived 464yrs.,died in-2187.

these are years from Adam...the first man.
 kaptainkarl
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Posted: 2/18/2012 7:16:31 AM
the flood was world wide and where we get our oceans and mountain ranges.....it also destroyed part of the atmosphere.....so that it lets in alot more radiation now....causing our life span to decrease from around 900yrs old,to around 80yrs old....right after the flood,people would live 400 yrs....the next generatio9n 300yrs,until king David's time,it settled to0 around 80 years o0ld....and its been the same since.....thats way the Phar0ah of Egypt, asked Joseph "how old is your dad" cause people at that time were very curious as to way each generation was getting shorter life spans....from 400 years 0ld....down to only 100 years old.
 lyingcheat
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Posted: 2/18/2012 8:54:04 AM

Caucasians come from Noah's son ,Japheth......all people on earth come from Noah and his three sons about 4500 yrs ago....there was 0nly 8 people on the whole earth at this time.....and the ark rested on my Ararat......which is in the middle east,not Africa.
it was years later before the Arabs started from their father Abraham.

That ^^^ , to put it politely, is not rational.


the flood was world wide and where we get our oceans and mountain ranges.....it also destroyed part of the atmosphere.....so that it lets in alot more radiation now....causing our life span to decrease from around 900yrs old,to around 80yrs old....right after the flood,people would live 400 yrs....the next generatio9n 300yrs,until king David's time,it settled to0 around 80 years o0ld....and its been the same since.....thats way the Phar0ah of Egypt, asked Joseph "how old is your dad" cause people at that time were very curious as to way each generation was getting shorter life spans....from 400 years 0ld....down to only 100 years old.

Neither is that ^^^.
Not only do all three of your posts entirely lack any rational foundation, they completely fly in the face of known facts.
 OutofControlMan
Joined: 12/22/2011
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Posted: 2/18/2012 9:49:28 AM
what practical difference would it make in anyone's life if they were, or were not?

IOW, WGAS ?
 Darkbutcomely
Joined: 4/20/2011
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Posted: 2/18/2012 8:00:45 PM

But if we go back to our two thousandth or so great-grandfather we are all related, and he's black.


It wasnt a grand father it was a grand mother and yes she was African


The "Eve" in question was actually the most recent common ancestor through matrilineal descent of all humans living today. That is, all people alive today can trace some of their genetic heritage through their mothers back to this one woman. The scientists hypothesized this ancient woman's existence by looking within the cells of living people and analyzing short loops of genetic code known as mitochondrial DNA, or mtDNA for short. In recent years, scientists have used mtDNA to trace the evolution and migration of human species, including when the common ancestor to modern humans and Neanderthals lived—though there has been considerable debate over the validity and value of the findings.

NOVA online
 FrogO_Oeyes
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Posted: 2/18/2012 8:43:52 PM

It wasnt a grand father it was a grand mother and yes she was African

It was both.

mtDNA doesn't trace evolution very well. It only mirrors a single matrilineal line of descent [as indicated in the quote provided], and does nothing to show gene exchange or male contribution of the host species. Keep in mind that mitochondria are, in essence, a separate organism, and they are asexual. Any evolution they experience is lost unless it ends up in a fertilized egg which develops into a breeding female. Any evolution of the host organism can take place in both sexes, and be recombined by way of sexual reproduction. Sometimes members of different species have a more recent female ancestor than members of the same species, simply because all members of a particular population descend from one foreign female. Sexual reproduction however, ensures that the "local" genes remain consistent.

Y chromosomes [in species which have it] can be used in a similar way to mtDNA, except to trace male-only descent. Another difference of this method is that it is nDNA, which DOES affect the traits of the species it belongs to and is relevant to evolution of that species.

In any case though, I would reiterate - this thread really need not have progressed past the first page. By definition, caucasians cannot descend from arabs, since the latter are a more recent and narrowly defined subset of the former. It's akin to asking if airplanes were created from Boeings.
 lyingcheat
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Posted: 2/20/2012 8:55:22 PM

I feel our delving into the genome is in its infantcy and will lead many ways ...
Neanderthal's link to Africa is hundreds of thousands of years older than Modern Man's and our common ancestor so far is way back far enough that its speculative at best as to when and where ...

While it's true that studies related to all of the above are not complete (there may never be a time when they are 'complete'), much more is known than you appear to realise. It's not quite the case that homo sapiens and homo neanderthalensis were as distinct in time, or are as mysteriously distinct morphologically, as you may think.

This is a very interesting video from Ed Green out of the University of California at Santa Cruz. His topic is the genetic connections that both join and separate the hominid (and primate generally) families. During the discussion he refers to average coalesce times (common ancestor) of the various hominid and primate species, both living and extinct.

It's long-ish (27 minutes), but careful attention to what he is saying is well worthwhile.
Center for Academic Research and Training in Anthropogeny
The Genetics of Humanness: The Neandertal and Denisovan Genomes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI0qWiwFZLs

From about 9.30 minutes to about the 11.30 minute mark Dr. Green explicitly points out that only 30 generations ago, which according to him is about the middle ages, we all will have had more ancestors than there were people alive.
What that means, in his words, is that - "...you coalesce with every other person on the planet you might imagine at some point on your genome".
He also says, within the time frame referred to above - 9.30m to 11.30m, that "...it turns out that you can reconstruct genealogies of any particular haplotype, any particular region in our genome, amongst all people who are alive today. And... in some sense this must be true, there must be this genealogy that unites everyone, you can take any two people (in this room), find the haplotype at some place in their genome and find the time that they had a common ancestor".

In other words, we all share, at some point on our genome, material with everyone else that is now alive.


He also says (amongst other things) between approx. 4.30m to 7.20m -

It took some time for us to have this scientific enlightenment to formulate a model of evolutionary history where we put ourselves in the proper place. This is despite the fact that there are these great ape species that are not so distantly related to us.

....things that are closer (to us) are all dead; they're all extinct, but we find lots of their bones, and we argue about how they are related to one another. This hominid fossil record is a fairly contentious thing. The broad strokes of this, I think, are pretty well settled. And one thing that is settled: our closest extinct relatives are these guys here -- the Neanderthals.

They are a morphologically distinct group from humans -- even from the modern humans that were contemporaneous with Neanderthals. So here is the cranium of a Cro Magnon (the anatomically modern human), and from a classical Neanderthal. If you look closely you can notice some differences: there's this brow ridge, and occipital bun, and the brain case is lower, longer, and slung back. And post-cranially there are some other differences.
But focusing on the differences here, kind of obscures the big picture story, which is that they're very similar to us morphologically in the context of the next closest thing that's still living, which is the chimpanzee.

So Neanderthals and humans are morphologically very similar; and it turns out they're genetically very similar too. Temporally, Neanderthals show up in the fossil record about 200 thousand years ago, and then they disappear about 30 thousand years ago. Our species shows up about 130 thousand years ago, and of course, we're still alive today. So for most of the time that we have been around and for most of the time that Neanderthals were around, we shared the planet together. It's only a rather recent development that we are the only hominid that walks around the world. So we overlapped in time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI0qWiwFZLs
 FrogO_Oeyes
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Posted: 2/21/2012 11:46:53 PM
There's nothing wrong with the numbers. All is not inherited equally. There is no shortage of ways to illustrate this.

The usual form is a particular gene variant or fragment which is unique to one species, being found in another. In sexual organisms, there are two sets of chromosomes, one provided by the father and the other by the mother. Which half of any particular chromosome pair will be recieved by an offspring is left to chance, which basically means that any given offspring has a 50/50 chance of inheriting one of these foreign genes. Only if they inherit it can they pass it on, and even then it's only an avergae of 1/2 the descendants who get it. As a consequence, such foreign markers can continue to exist in a population in very low numbers, often more commonly in certain regions or cultures. Paired chromosomes frequently "swap" genes and parts of genes, which means that each chromosome does not reflect a single ancestral line, but bits and pieces of many converging ones.

That still leaves millions of genes, all inherited from someone. For humans, 99% of those will be the same even if they came from H.erectus or H.neanderthalensis.

Other good examples are mtDNA, which is only inherited maternally and linearly. If one Neanderthal female was hybridized with one Cro Magnon, only her direct female descendants would carry Neanderthal mtDNA. All traces of her nuclear DNA could be erased from history by chance, as nDNA of the Cro Magnon population she joined slowly swamped it. Thus one small population of modern man with her direct female descendants could possess Hn-mtDNA while having purely Hs-nDNA (the latter being what defines them as modern humans).

Similarly, X-chromosomes are paternally inherited and can thus be lost entirely if no male survives to reproduce, or likewise last millenia when all else disappears. You can reverse these scenarios and get similar results, by switching the gender of the Neanderthal, or by switching whether it is the mitochondria or the nuclear genes which survive/become extinct.
 chrono1985
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Posted: 2/22/2012 7:39:03 AM
I think there is a problem with basing race research entirely in one area. While genetics and genealogy obviously play a big role, our environment can sometimes trump the genetic link.

Various metals we ingest (silver, copper, iron, etc) are responsible for the major tone of our skin, each contribute a bit of their respective wavelengths, and given generations ingesting more of a particular one than your ancestors did will change your descendants skin tone as they slowly adapt to use those particular metals more efficiently. Other minerals play a role here, but metals are the most pronounced and can change skin tone within a single generation if the intake changes enough.

There is also exposure to high intensity heat/light, which cooks different minerals within your body to produce different colors. A long time ago painters of gothic cathedrals learned how to cook the same mineral 8 different way and get 8 unique colors out of it (numbers are more or less depending on mineral and available tech/fuel, but using 8 for example sake). Since sun light exposure accounts for much of our heat exposure, your also taking in radiation that has a tendency to mutate the things it comes in contact with.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
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Posted: 2/22/2012 10:00:18 AM

i also believe the neanderthal influence - genetically - is a eurasian phenomenon and not wider, for instance, not asian or african

From what I have read, any human whose ancestral group developed outside Africa has a little Neanderthal in them – between 1 to 4 % of their genome.

They think that Neanderthals and Humans interbreed before humans started to spread all overt the world.
 Tah,
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Posted: 2/27/2012 6:55:53 PM
Is the father bioligical though?
 OutofControlMan
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Posted: 2/28/2012 2:12:46 PM

When you have two such disparate groups agree that they did have the same father, but different mothers, there is more to it than just myth.


and we are all descendants of incestuous relations , a little son-mother love, then later brother-sister & cousin-cousin, if you go by biblical sources
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 3/4/2012 12:49:05 AM
It becomes a bit more complicated when 4 or more hominid species are cross boinking.
http://news.discovery.com/human/x-woman-human-ancestor.html?fb_ref=fb2&fb_source=home_multiline
 Secondhand_Lion
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Posted: 3/8/2012 9:38:50 PM
Well, I guess that would explain lift kits and 30" wheels......seems some aren't happy unless their vehicles look like camels.
 abdieos74
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Posted: 5/15/2012 9:58:32 PM
I don't think the "Crusades" would have happened if we were all related.. lol.
 csooner111
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Posted: 5/23/2012 4:28:58 AM
There is no concrete evidence of how humans came to be who we are.we simply just don't know and more than likely never will.
 fillyphilly
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Posted: 5/26/2012 11:37:59 AM
Get a subscription to the Journal of Genetic Genealogy. It will end all the speculation with facts and figures. But that wouldn't be fun. Ignorance is blissful apparently based on the posts on this site. And for the moron who said Jews were the number one evil "race." Genetic testing has proved Jews to be Arabs. Read the book, Abraham's Children.
 csooner111
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Posted: 6/5/2012 4:00:08 AM
Having some ideas on the THEORY of evolution and concrete evidence of evolution are two different things.I never said scientist no idea.
 london150
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Posted: 6/12/2012 8:50:13 PM
Kaptainkarl, wow, just wow.
 london150
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Posted: 6/12/2012 8:52:33 PM
Brayanvall I have to hand it to you, you always have such ignorance to contribute to the conversation. Thanks for that.
 NeroTacoma
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Posted: 6/12/2012 10:47:57 PM
The term caucasian has direct correlation with decendents of the Caucus Mountains located in the Middle East. Caucasians are not decenents of Arabs but rather the people of Persia where the Caucus Mountains are Located. We are truly Caucasian.
 london150
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Posted: 6/13/2012 6:24:23 AM
With the way Hispanics are treated in Arizona, I doubt they will target blacks ballard3240. I doubt it seriously. We arent the ones making them walk around with proofs of residence and trying to kick them out of the country. Just people like you. So guess who they are probably hating right now? If you knew some of the things I have heard some of them say you would run far away.
 london150
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Posted: 6/13/2012 6:30:47 AM
I notice many of the people from the red states or really desperate not to be descendents of Africa. Dont worry we dont want you. It still doesnt change the fact that the common denominator for all of us is AFRICA. Get over it.
 AddHomonym
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:38:18 AM
First off, I have to admit that I didn't read through this thread. I tend to get very upset with ignorant racist stuff and I can just smell the stink rising up.

So I'll just drop a few facts on you since you seem interested.

By studying mitochondrial DNA, we know that all humans have a common ancestry somewhere in Eastern Africa. From what I understand, science has only bolstered these findings in the many years since the "Eve Theory" first came out. The folks trying to deny it are likely the same ones who use catchy little phrases like "glowball warming" and such...lol

Next, you get the ridiculously antiquated practice of phrenology. I use the word practice because to call it science is just insulting. This is the study of human skulls and the supposed information that can be gleaned by looking at the bumps and such therein. This is where the terms such as caucasoid, mongoloid and negroid came from. The names were derived from selected skull types found in different areas and then misapplied to living, human populations.

As I recall, humans migrated "Out of Africa" and the group that made its way to Europe obviously passed through the Middle East. So the OP's question is partly true but wrong.

Then you factor in human behaviour and you get a whole lot of people having sex with each other, here there and everywhere. Kind of like now, eh? People weren't any different in the ancient past, sex was fun then too...lol There is no such thing as a "pure" race. Every human being alive has traces of all sorts of different DNA in them. We're all mongrels, every single one of us whether you like it or not.

There is only one "race"...the human race.
 judiek
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Posted: 6/14/2012 7:06:55 AM
My very fair Irish/ Italian friend just had her DNA done. She found she is a higher percentage of mid eastern than nearly anything except Northern Europe. Her Southern Europe/Italian is only 2% yet both paternal grandparents are from Italy.
Whether we accept evolution or creation DNA shows all humans descended from the middle east( some say Iraq to be exact, it rhymes too) or Africa. So i suppose the long way 'round the answer is yes. Strange as it seems.
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