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 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
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A lot of people not only fought, but they also died for what "you" take for granted; and take, and take, and take. The young girls future is still ahead of her, but she doesn't have to go it alone, nasty, and "bitter").

Clarity


You dont know what I take for granted. I can tell you it isnt some ridiculous notion that the 50's were some Shangrila where all women were treated like princesses and all men were honourable bread winnners that respected their women. I take nothing for granted because like most other men/women I had to work hard for what I have and I realise that living in a fantasy land isnt reality and that life is hard. Any person that would give up basic human rights so that they can skate through life is foolish or avoid this so called disrespectful behaviour, but then you and me we didnt have to fight to eat in the same section of a restaurant or use the same washroom, I dont ever recall being called sub-human because of my colour, although being a woman I have been told that I couldnt do a job based on my gender not on my skill set.


It's not just a matter of fighting for rights, equality, or respect, but understanding that it isn't all about the self (aka: special/socialist interest). There has never been a time when freedom loving people have been more divided than they are now, nor as complacent with what it‘s all about. What's worse, however, is that the dividing line has been drawn straight down the middle of our families.


This isnt even off topic as the magic 50's were when so many women were respected wasnt it? Maybe if you were white or came from the right side of the tracks. Perhaps if you were lucky enough to be married to a man that didnt consider the idea of beating his wife or kids as his right. There have been way too many posters who have lived in this "magic" era that have disputed the propaganda that is the 50's yet here is someone coming along and telling us that we should go back to a time when only half of the white race had the world by the tail and the rest of us should just suck it up and realize it isnt all about self? Wow pretty easy to say when your rights were never in question..

I never said one thing about a woman staying home to raise her children and not persue a career or judged that decision, what I did say was stupid was someone who has the right to do whatever she wants if she chooses to wish away something that has nothing to do with her ability to make that decision. Please show me where you can either vote or raise a family because having the right to vote conflicts with that, or how your ability to own your own home or get an education conflicts with raising children.
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
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Posted: 3/7/2008 7:54:21 AM

Perhaps the fifties weren't that time full of respect some people envision, but it certainly wasn't a hellish time full of wife-beating husbands and hidden violence either.


Wife beating has never been a rare anomaly. Never. And in some time periods, it wasn't against the law for a man to beat his wife.

Sexual abuse has always taken place. Always. People just didn't talk about it. In the 50s and early 60s, I remember my mother telling me not to talk to certain men or men who lived alone, but she never told me why. It is ironic that the family men were just as likely to have sexually molested little girls as were the lone men. And do you think that priests molesting choirboys started in the 1990s?

By the way, women have always harangued their husbands. Of course, in some of the time periods mentioned above, the husband could put a muzzle on her and walk her downtown.
 WomanInProgress
Joined: 10/16/2005
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Posted: 3/7/2008 12:28:28 PM
Just had this conversation with a friend the other day based on the question in the forums about what was good about the 50s concerning relationships. I came up with...the music, the clothes, and that was it. Of course that had nothing to do with relationships, but outside of pop culture, I would have totally been a fish out of water back then based on what society expected.

Vro312:

From where I stand, I don't see a general lack of respect for women. However, I do see that many people--both men and women--are unsure of their roles in society, and that seems to me to be a result of the rapidly changing social dynamics where male/female relationships are concerned. Maybe that's what you're seeing: people who are unsure and who feel angry about feeling unsure. In a lot of ways, men and women seem to feel less "necessary" than maybe they did in more traditional times.

It's no longer necessary to get married. People still choose to do it, but it's no longer the case that a man attempting to run a homestead to make his living would need to find a wife and to make babies in order to maintain crops and the livestock and whatnot. Likewise, women no longer need to find a husband in order to secure their own future . . . they can get careers of their own and support themselves. As a result of this declining interdependence, people seem to feel lost and angry.

This is how I see it: For the women who really want to get married and have babies, yes, life in the 50s probably would have been easier. Most people settled down in their twenties; there weren't a whole lot of choices as to what a woman would do with her life. That's what they did . . . they grew up and got married and made families of their own. Sure, some women were overlooked and never got married. But that was more of the exception. Now that wanting-to-get-married thing seems like a much harder row to hoe. In some ways, it's almost looked down upon if that's what a woman openly wants. So, yes, for them, I think it's harder.

However, I think there were always the women who didn't especially want to do the whole marriage/kids thing, but in the 50s, that would have been a difficult lifepath to choose. It would have been very frowned upon. Now, it's okay to choose that. So for those women who don't want to raise children, life is easier now.

That was well written and brilliant. Exactly what my viewpoint on the whole thing is....
 grizzelda
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Posted: 3/7/2008 12:38:16 PM
^^^^^^^^^Valid Points. As posters such as Dar have pointed out children were not sitting around and watching cartoons after they came home after school. They had chores around the house or were working at part time jobs, and it was expected that the children would be helping around the house, unlike today where children are treated with kid gloves and little if anything is expected from them. So it seems to me that the role of "mother" shifted dramatically in the 50's to where a woman's role was becoming a maid to her husband and offspring and children took on a role never before seen in the average community and the reasoning behind this was pretty much for bragging rights and ego and the desire to give them a "better way of life"and sold to many women as the right way to raise their children and what they should aspire to.

Frankly I see that a womans life actually got harder as where the whole family was expected to pitch in and help now it became the womans role to "take care" of her family.
 grizzelda
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Posted: 3/12/2008 6:05:52 AM

I can't say if women were overall better off 50 years ago, but I believe that the family unit was more stable than it is today.


Or was there just a better job of hiding it and was there a tremendous amount of suffering going on behind closed doors? Lets face it anyone that was born in a 50 or early 60's family model is now in their late 40's or 50's and that is the group of people that have raised todays adults, yet they dont seem to have done all that great a job, but they had the "benefit" of being in a "traditional" family setting so what the hell happened? Ah yes the "strong family unit" of yesteryear...How many of us have grown up in a home that had an alcoholic parent? How many have witnessed domestic violence? How many have dealt with sexual abuse? These are things that people are ashamed to discuss and admit to the general public or close ranks to protect the family name and preserve the reputation.

I grew up in the late 70's and 80's and can remember the school secretary making comments about my mother being divorced and how she had failed as a wife and a parent. However if the truth be known my Dad had been having affairs their entire marriage and was pretty quick with his hands when he got mad to all of us. It was pretty much then that my Mother had to go out and start to work because it was pretty obvious that my Father wasnt taking his role too seriously and she had no choice but to go out to work. I suppose she could have chose to ignore the affairs and explain away her bruises but I guess she chose herself and her kids over the "illusion" of a stable family.
 nycdoctor
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Posted: 3/12/2008 11:17:11 AM
I think woman are better off than 50 years ago
 grizzelda
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Posted: 3/12/2008 11:57:54 AM

OP. In the past, respect were granted based on gender, social status, and/or social accepted gender roles. Today, respect has to be earned. consider that in contect of your question.


Good Point Happy, perhaps that is the problem. Too many people thinking that they "deserve" some level of respect vs. actually earning anything other than basic human decency.......
 heaight
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Posted: 3/13/2008 11:20:43 AM
honestly, men who just disrespect and disreguard women for no reason, its bad, but i dunno what to really say about that act, however these days alot of women degrade themselves; music videos, kissing girls for attention, shakin there half naked body for money, they do it to themselves. if ur not gonna respect urself, how can u expect to recieve it?
 grizzelda
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Posted: 3/13/2008 11:36:00 AM
Dancecard you are remembering things through a childs eyes and although most people yearn for the "good old days", the issue is, were the "good old days" really all that good for half the population? I can remember all the happy times I had when I was a kid and tell myself that it was all sunshine and lolypops when I grew up but that doesnt make it true.


Women no longer had to work outside the home. A welcome change ~ back to normal!


Did it ever occur to you that maybe that change wasnt all that welcome for those going back to what little they were allowed?

I really believe that many men will never understand this because as a male there were very few restrictions put on what you were allowed to aspire to based on the fact that you didnt have the right genitalia . Men were rarely told they couldnt do something just because they were men, they are encouraged to be strong and fight for what is their right as men! Yet when women ask for the same thing we are wrong in that.
 lonesome wonderer
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Posted: 3/14/2008 7:49:57 PM
okay, now i'm going to be burned at the stake or put in front of the firing squad, i just ask that you allow me one last cigarette.

i'm sure you heard of people being born the wrong time, well i'm pretty much one of them. unlike some people today, i don't believe in sleeping with someone unless dating for a length of time, i also don't believe in guys having roaming hands and rushing fingers either. most guys today that are single, divorced, or what have you telling women about how they do the cooking, cleaning, and laundry and wouldn't want a woman to do that. to me, i believe that the man is the bread winner, the provider for the family while the woman maintains the interior 4 walls of the home, raising the family, and works as well. right now i'm not able to work but when i was able to and while i was married and had my kids as well, i worked, did all of the cooking, cleaning, laundry, helped my boys with their homework, and i even did my own home repairs and renovations as well.....i even took care of cutting the grass outside of my house. my stb ex husband worked and took care of his car and went fishing. the only time that he did the cooking was towards the end of our marriage when i was working from 1-6pm and refused to have the boys wait until 6:30pm to eat dinner, he still didn't really cook a meal, it was either mc donalds, wendys, or burger king or he would make something where it wasn't hard (he didn't know how to cook).

the way i am....i do the cooking, cleaning, and laundry. when i was with my now ex boyfriend i used to get up at 4am and make his coffee and get his lunch ready for him. i would make the bed right after i had his coffee on, make a cup of tea for myself and sit with him and watch the morning news. i would walk him out to his car with his lunch, give him a kiss and tell him to have a good day. i did all of the cooking, his dinner was served to him (not all placed out on the table), i would not sit down until i made sure he had everything he needed or wanted. right after dinner i did the dishes and scrubbed the counter, sink, and stove then i would sit down with him. while he was in the bath tub and asked for a cigarette not only would i take one in to him but i would light it for him, take out his dirty clothes and put out clean clothes. in our house he pretty much had a bottomless cup, when his cup of sweet tea was empty i would refill it for him without him asking. when he got hurt, i helped him bath, dress and undress. when i got hurt (fractured my tail bone from being thrown from a quad) he filled the tub with water, helped me get undressed and dressed.....i sat in the tub and cried. i never allowed any man to take care of me and still dare not let any man take care of me like that unless i absolutely needed help. i was alway brought up to respect the man that i'm with, not by serving him and taking away his independence but by serving him with love and respect. it's a lot of the women over 50 years old or have been married for a long term being the same way that i have been raised. i'm not with my stb ex husband since he was running around on me and causing mental abuse, i'm not with my now ex boyfriend since he decided to start dating another woman and broke my nose over her as well. he didn't break my nose out of a violent fit, he broke my nose out of love, he asked me to tell her something on the phone in front of him and i did. i pretty much hurt his feelings when i told her what he wanted me to say. i'm not with anyone now since not too many guys are interested in a woman with my beliefs.
 lolLori
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Posted: 3/17/2008 2:29:25 AM
Well I believe there was running water and the telephone in Little House on the Prarie Yeah thet was in the States and Maybe East Coast of Canada - I think My Grandmother had no electricity, heat, running water or telephone until her later life after her children were raised. Grandmother! I think that was 50 or so years ago. Milk the cow, gather ther eggs, fetch and water the garden, fetch water for the house. etc. Bake the bread, cookies etc. sewing ! Now maybe the kids were old enough to help The

Now were reliant on making money for electricity, water, telephone, transportation and other things we have become dependant on along the way that we cant do on our own. Education and social sytems our kids have to have just to get by and thre price in money must have some relavant comparison.
 WomanInProgress
Joined: 10/16/2005
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Posted: 3/17/2008 10:45:27 AM
And since we're on that, why don't you pay us for 4,000 years of working to support your sorry ass?

Most women would have loved to work and support their own sorry asses, but in a lot of cases weren't allowed to, either because males forbid it, or because there were no jobs made available for them. That's the thing here, some women were probably fine with marrying some dude to keep from living at home forever and cranking out puppies for him, but some women didn't want to live their whole lives taking care of other people and have no other purpose...

I'm sure it was easy to argue with them at that time and tell them to be grateful they had a place to live and food to eat, but it still meant they had almost no other options.
 WomanInProgress
Joined: 10/16/2005
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Posted: 3/17/2008 1:52:12 PM

You know, I'm always amazed by selective memory. When you say "no jobs made available for them", do you mean "no jobs comfy enough for a woman to do them"? Because until the industrial revolution and the steam engine, almost every job required physical strength, 12-14 straight hours working and the most unhealthy conditions. There were no "office jobs" nor "glass ceiling". Work was dirty, dull, brutal and dangerous.

No, I mean that those who wanted to work were either told they weren't man enough to do so, or not allowed to actually work. I'm sure that those who tried withstood the boy's club thing to the extent that they found it too traumatizing to stay.

There are industries even today that simply feel a woman doesn't belong, and though legally they can't stop it, they make it a day to day hardship for them to get thru a day without wanting to quit.

Do you really believe women would have liked to carry stones in a quarry, to dig for coal down a mine shaft, to fish in a dinky boat, instead of staying at home with the kids?

Well, that one's a two-parter. The fact that there were kids, which was expected of women in addition to marriage, negates the ability to leave and work, doesn't it? Women who were focused on children they had to have, obviously couldn't go into any type of workforce or job, because having children sort of weeded them out of that option. Unless the family could afford childcare, and that wasn't smiled upon by your friends, family and neighbors either.

Also, yes, I do believe that there were women who wanted to do a lot of that, and did when the draft came thru and they had to - a lot of women learned that despite what they were told, that they could actually contribute.

Oh, yes, I know there were lawyers, scholars, accountants, etc. But guess what: They were a very small minority. Most men had these backbreaking, dangerous, dull, even deadly jobs. Somehow I don't see women of that time complaining by not having to do them.

We'll never know if they'd complain, do we? If some of the older women can shed some light on this, it would be awesome to hear it firsthand. It's not about did they want to, it's more about - was it an option IF they wanted to?

Exactly what additional options MEN had, then? Besides working AND working? And yes, they should have be grateful for having a place to live and food to eat, since there were no welfare state then. Until the 19th century, STARVATION wasn't just a type of diet, but a real thing.

Men had the option to work and stay single, or work and get married - just as women do today. And I am sure had women been allowed to work and make enough to support themselves and stay single and be accepted in society for it, they would have. If welfare wasn't around, then it wouldn't have been an issue. We should all be grateful we have food and shelter, but when we're able to provide it for OURSELVES it's a much more profound gratefulness...
 lolLori
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Posted: 3/20/2008 12:08:56 AM
Well In the 30's and 40's life expectancy age was down to like late 40 early 50 years so chances are you had no parents to be helping with your kids and if the life expectancy was deemed to be this low, it would be very doubtful yould think of divorce and also you would have more kids to work the farms and other manual labour -work, the more kids the stronger the family. I would think that would mean more cooking cleaning, washing, sewing darning socks crafts name it etc. Maybe not so much in the more better off Families they lived healthier longer lifespans. The longer life expectancy I think came the desire for Less kids and with more commercial than industrial age came Housewifes then Nobody would dare to be just a housewife. I think 50 years ago a wife and mother was more precious. Now Its Brains and brawn Some women and some men have both. When it comes to The Famous Artists and Writers, Woman have been perfectionists since we can remember From Language to Fashion, Designers in all fields. Men as well and there is always a will there is a way. You cant tell me Man does everything for money for their families(4,000 bah hum bug) Its Tit for Tat and same goes for women. If its all about dysfunction look around so much detail for perfection and usefulness. Look for greed abuse waste youll find it, true caring, building, deepening Even the least likely Music from each Generation developes when its deemed impossible.
 tick tock
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Posted: 3/21/2008 3:59:54 AM
Too funny! So many angry women, so little time. Poor old me...sniff sniff..I'm just a victim. Anyway...when you women wake up from this perpetual state of victimhood, maybe you'll realize that there is more too life than being a parasite and constantly looking for handouts. Grow up!
 GrandmaBooBoo
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Posted: 3/21/2008 9:16:04 AM

You know, I'm always amazed by selective memory. When you say "no jobs made available for them", do you mean "no jobs comfy enough for a woman to do them"? Because until the industrial revolution and the steam engine, almost every job required physical strength, 12-14 straight hours working and the most unhealthy conditions. There were no "office jobs" nor "glass ceiling". Work was dirty, dull, brutal and dangerous.
WOW, those poor babies.....12-14 straight? Why complain about a full time job? Granted, frequently I got to just work 8 hrs on Sundays...but the other 6 days a week were almost ALWAYS 12 hrs a day. By the way....I AM a woman, and a relatively small one.....but I could handle an 24" pipe wrench in one hand....backing it up with an 18" in the other. Trust me on this: for $30 an hour....you bet your sweet ass I preferred it to staying at home so I could give you guys one more woman to rag on about how inept and worthless we all are.


Oh, yes, I know there were lawyers, scholars, accountants, etc. But guess what: They were a very small minority. Most men had these backbreaking, dangerous, dull, even deadly jobs. Somehow I don't see women of that time complaining by not having to do them.
Well, let's see....I'd say the titanium steel implant screwed into my back is proof positive that indeed, it is backbreaking work...but.....I'm curious....when did I have the sex change operation? (last I looked...I was still female) Dangerous, oh yeah....rated 5th dangerous of all know occupations. I still feel bad about the year that I had my dad bring my daughter to the work site on "Bring Your Daughter's To Work Day" that while I was 60 ft in the air crawling along a steam line trying to get to a broken sprinkler fitting, that my poor terrified 10 yr old was crying afraid her Mommy was going to get hurt. Ohhhh, my perfume? It's just good ole "A deu Hydraulic Oil"....ya like? The era??? Ohhhh, it was just a mere 30 yrs ago. AND YES, I DID fight to be allowed to PROVE that I could do the work. Funny thing is......all the men who QUIT the job the first time they had to grind all night on a 16" diameter weld pipe setup!!! ROFL!!!! Did the men whine about complain....yeah, for a few weeks, til they realized that not only COULD I do the job.....but then after that....mostly the whined...That **** is crazy...she's trying to work us to death! Poor Babies.
 GrandmaBooBoo
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Posted: 3/21/2008 4:20:26 PM

I could say the same for all those "poor slaved women", but I'd use another b-word. However, I'm already too grown to use shaming language. I wonder when will some women become grown enough for that.
Ahhhh pardon my mistake. I had assumed that since YOU tossed out the example if PEOPLE who were used to working 12-14 hrs a day at those dirty, dangerous, hard jobs that you had gotten beyond that bigoted kind of thinking. The men (real ones) that I worked with, welcomed me into the "good ole boy" club as a equal with them IN EVERY RESPECT. Apparently whoever it was that told you about those hard rough jobs with the extremely long hours also forgot to mention that tool boxes don't come in pink and blue, to join the club I had to learn NOT to flinch when one of them said the "F" word....and for the final initiation, I had to stand toe to with the biggest, baddest of them and say "FU" to his face. But alas, I see that you were just retelling someone else's story and have no empiracle knowledge yourself of what that kind of manly man work entails. The storys do have a lot more meaning however when they're PERSONAL.....telling it 2nd and 3 hand.....really looses something in the translation. In your nice clean little office with that glass ceiling, you can worry about about that lady boss crap...in the construction field....not only does it have NO place....but it's a definite NO NO. I'm really surprised you didn't get that memo!
 GrandmaBooBoo
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Posted: 3/21/2008 7:58:00 PM
Well, since you did ask Boomstrike:
I could say the same for all those "poor slaved women", but I'd use another b-word. However, I'm already too grown to use shaming language. I wonder when will some women become grown enough for that.
The truth is (sorry ladies) but yes, In fact, I had to fight with other women harder than I did with the men. As soon as the men realized that I could do the job, asked for NO special consideration....they totally accepted me. Women on the other hand were angry....many believed that I was opening doors that they did want to be expected to walk through (ie....by proving that women COULD do those jobs....they were afraid that women would be EXPECTED to do those jobs).

Indeed, it does sadden me that more women have not, put their money where their mouths are, so to speak.....and gone after careers in those areas that pay really good money. Granted, there are certain "sacrifices"....ie, it was extremely difficult to take off my hard hat and come home, put on pearls and high heels to wax the kitchen floor, but hey....at least I washed my hands before I baked an apple pie from scratch....just like my working granny taught me to do. By the way.....after wearing coveralls g and steel toed boots 70-90 hrs a week; when I went out for dinner....I was ALWAYS in a dress....complete with garterbelts, stockings and heels. See, working in a traditionally male job does NOT have to rob a woman of her femininity....it can also have the opposite effect....of making her covet those traits even more.

Also, saddly, I must agree with you, NO, the inequality in today's workforce is not due to oppression, but rather....choice. The honest truth is....that men readily accepted me once they realized that I could do the same work and asked for no special treatment. Other women.....who tried to do the work, but who counted on their boobs to get them through the tough dirty jobs.....quickly found themselves the topics of jokes, disrespect, and were the ones filing sexual harrassment charges.

The topic of the thread though is about women in the 50s! And I'm here to tell you...that women in the 50s did NOT act like the women of today. The women who built tanks and airplanes in the 1940's didn't run around yapping all day about how equal they were....they just shut the hell up and did the job. I always believed that the proof was in the pudding. I could have yakked all day about being able to carry a full length (21 ft) of 2 inch Schedule 40 on my shoulder....but until the men SAW me do it...repeatedly...without complaint, and not expecting nor accepting someone to throw a damned party over it....my talk meant 0, zilch, nada!

Ohhhh goodness, now don't ya'll all pass out....but I'm on the mailing list of NOM. (National Organization of Men) (They don't have "memberships") Marty Nemko writes some excellent articles on career choices. Then of course, Dr. Warren Farrell, goes into some great (and very accurate detail) on the topic of the so called glass ceilings and the truth about them (mostly self inflicted). In essence, there is nothing physically or intellectually which hinders women in 2008 from jobs in technical trades, engineering, management. It is clearly a CHOICE that women make. I'm not saying that there is not still some resistance....and women DO have to give up the whiny, maternal crap (save that for your children, not your co-workers). When I entered into that "man's world"....trust me....I had to adjust to HIS rules.....because I wasn't going to get 5000 men to adapt to me. Do I get in people's face and call a spade a spade? Sure, you betcha; but I still teach my granddaughter to bake cookies, and in fact....we're in the process of making matching aprons (yes, I also sew). I also taught my grandson how to drill pilot holes in the railing for the deck he helped me build last summer (he's 10).

None if this however is to say that any one profession or another is more masculine or feminine.....worthy or unworthy. My doctor is a female who's husband is her secretary. My sister in law is a nurse who earns quite a bit more than her tool and die maker husband. LOL! funny thing is.....my brother is an idiot about mechanical stuff....and my dad just shakes his head because it's so easy for me. The truth is.....I don't mid getting dirty...and my brother hates it. I'm just SO, SO, SO very glad that my Dad (a mechanic and auto racer) and my Grandfather (a contractor) didn't have the same crappy attitude that so many men have today. My mother (a housewife for 56 yrs now, has NEVER baked a pie or a cookie)....I had to learn that from my Grandmother (a nurse). I was just so very fortunate to have wonderfully talented, and non-chauvenistic men in my early life who didn't limit me and what I was allowed to learn about and do simply because I was a girl. THESE were MEN in the 50s. I dare say that we seem to be lacking a lot of 50's type men in the world today too! Ohhhh my.....I just had this mental image of what would have happened if my grandfather had ever told my grandmother she "couldn't" do something!!!! LOL!
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