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 leykis101student
Joined: 5/10/2008
Msg: 174
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If a woman's not going to give her man sex then why not be able to go to a prostitute? Women hold off sex and give it as some sort of reward. What's the difference between a prostitute and an affair?? To me nothing. If a woman kept her man happy at home he wouldn't look elsewehre. Men straying is the womans fault.


Good Point Barry!
 leykis101student
Joined: 5/10/2008
Msg: 175
Happy Hookers?
Posted: 6/28/2008 3:30:05 AM
@Ralph42:


So I'm checking back on this thread and some of the profoundly stupid comments that have managed to be posted...


Uff...arent we blessed? We were all waiting with bated breath. :)


From a male perspective, prostitutes are just a poor substitute for a mate. They reproduce an act of mating without the benefit. I know a lot of guys out in the world don't quite see it that way but the base purpose of sex is reproducing so your genes survive. That is why we are all programmed to want sex. If reproduction is not involved in the sex you have, your genes don't survive and you are already dead -- you just don't realize it. Prostitutes offer sex, and only sex.


Just tell that you are a person with low sex drive. Your idea sounds like religious drivel to me. And frankly in this day and age, this sounds 1800's. LOL. The purpose of sex is reproduction!! LOL. What preposterous drivel. But thanks for the laugh.


Of course, humans have moved on somewhat and have sex for pleasure too. Again, prostitutes offer a rather poor substitute for that purpose. Pleasure in sex is a lot more than just the act of sex. The pleasure of the act is derived from the interaction before and after. Prostitutes merely offer the physical act. Try as you might, you know that satisfying sex is a lot more than a physical act.


Then do just that....interaction before just and after. Get your****hard through foreplay and let it come down....not inside the vagina but outside. You have yourself admitted....the coital act is not necessary. Then why do you do it at all? Or are you gay?
Satisfying sex is both foreplay and sex. But the majority of that satisfaction comes from banging. Try as you might, you know that. :)


I find it difficult to fathom the males responding here trying to rationalize the isolation of the act of sex from the relational situation that encompasses sex. While it is certainly possible to do so (though not for all), it is effectively masterbation. For those gentlemen that have masterbated, do you really feel satisfied? All I can tell the sad souls that want to believe this nonsense is -- you're wrong. You probably know it but it would destroy your ego to have to confront that fact. Do you feel good after being with a prostitute? What do you do when your time is up?


Of course I feel satisfied if I masturbate. Why, you don't? You feel dissatisfied when you do it? Do you see how infantile your logic sounds? That people of the world should have sex YOUR way....where penetration is of little importance, where the act of sex is worthless without some sort of "relational situation". Why do you have sex at all?

When the time is up, we go about doing some other non-sexual activities.


All the jokes about paying for her to leave aside, the hard reality is that men want her to stay. That is the real ego trip. For those that have experience with prostitutes, just ask yourself, isn't it so much better when she goes above and beyond her role as a prostitute and does something like go out for dinner with you or spends more than just the allotted time with you without charging? If you've had the experience you know that makes the interaction so much better. If you're honest with yourself, you should now see that the very foundation of your claims about prostitution have disappeared.


Actually acts of courtesy are always heartwarming. But if you say that without that "above and beyond" thing, the exercise of sex is futile...then I dont know what to say to you.....you are a person of extremely low self esteem. Any act of kindness gives your ego such a boost that after that the act of sex is insignificant to you. Well ...Sir, we have a different outlook. We have sex for carnal pleasure.



Why would you all be hanging around a dating site if prostitution was such a panacea? Sure, there probably are a few prostitutes lurking here, but really. This is not the right place to be looking if you're looking for prostitutes. If your reduction of relationships to an act of prostitution had any validity, why would you possibly be here specifying desires for relationships you supposedly believe you can derive from prostitutes?


Because we are avaricious. We want to lease the cow and buy the milk too. See the act of seeking a date and the act of seeking a prostitute may not be mutually exclusive. To you date means marriage. Others may not think like that. Why cant you appreciate that fact?
Most relationships are not permanent. So whats wrong in paying a hooker when Im not in a relationship? Relationships may not be exactly prostitution, but dating and casual sex and then not seeing each other (happens a lot) is no different from paying a prostitute.


The fact that you are here, of course, leads me to suspect you feel the inherent contradiction of your position more than you care to admit. Deep down you want a relationship. So what's the problem? Well, as has been said many times in many places, if you are failing at relationships, the common denominator is YOU. Take a good hard look at yourself and you'll probably see what makes you unattractive to women for the purposes of a relationship. Don't pretend it is simply because you're not the best looking guy out there, or the richest guy out there, or whatever. A lot of ordinary guys can do it. YOU are your problem.


Yes and no. Deep down we want a relationship. True. 'Deep down' I also want what you don't want- a tight grip, if you know what I mean. Deep down!!!! LOL. How do you know for what reason who is here? Many people are in thus site just for the forums.

Have you ever also thought that the desire for sex for some men could be greater than the desire for relationships? Many men get married or into relationships for sex. The great thing about prostitution is that it comes without any strings attached. But from what you said.....its always your fault...women are to be put on a pedestal...im the scoundrel....I need to look deep down in me.....not deep down hers...and bla bla bla bla bla ...its abundantly clear that you like to be validated....you have no self esteem....and your desire for sex and even relation ships is for the pleasure of your partner....not for yourself. In your relationship book....you dont live for each other....you live for your partner. :)

Your view is so binary- either 0 or 1. Relationship or single with no sex. Well guess what a lot of men like to traverse the interval between 0 and 1. I am proud that I don't have a binary view like you


It never ceases to amaze me that there are such whiners in this world. Men singing the praises of prostitution come across as offensively as women that loudly pronounce their independence from men. It really is true that our society is choked full of lonely people of both genders. A place like this and a thread like this just makes it obvious.


Just like it never cease to amaze me how many loons who have scant regard for individual freedom try to shove down their view down others throat with scant regard for things like logic. Your comment in that regard is quite offensive too. You are a menace.


Anyway, if you can't get dates with any decent women, that's your problem. Solve it. Or, accept the fact that you are a loser in the game of relationships. You might be able to fool yourself into believing that prostitutes are just as good but, somehow, the determined prostestations here seem a bit too much -- if you know what I mean.


Again you see...the problem is YOU. You like to be validated. So if you have a relationship and Tom,****and Harry come up and pat your back and say "Bravo....now you are a winner", you are a winner. ...not because she is good in the sack....but because they said so:) I love myself a lot. I will do whatever (without any coercion) to get my pleasure. If you and your friends think that my seeing a hooker for the quest for that pleasure makes me a loser, I am a 'happy loser'. LOL.


LOL! Wrong! Men do only want one thing. But the source of that desire is in the urge to reproduce themselves. I know most sex isn't just about having babies but without our brain feeling that this need is being met by the sex being engaged, a we won't feel satisfied.


Correction. YOU wont feel satisfied. :)


But it isn't "exactly like any other job" and that was my point -- which you obviously missed.


Umm..are you a prostitute? If not then please dont speak on behalf of them as an authority. Keep your biases to yourself.



Doing so would reduce the discussion of prostitutes to a handful of women. The incidence of drug use among prostitutes is overwhelming. In part that becomes a necessary means to dissociate while engaging in sex with average guys whom the prostitute would likely not have sex with otherwise. Likewise, some level of coercion is common in all prostitution. If market economics are considered, effectively all prostitution is coerced. Trying to restrict a discussion of prostitution to the tiny number of up-market escorts choosing to prostitute themselves is foolish at best but more probably disingenuous.

I have to wonder out loud whether you're trying to convince the readers that the prostitutes you use are making a free choice or whether you're trying to make yourself feel better by holding on to that claim.


Read what Abelian said about your propensity for logical fallacies and causation correlation error.


The more honest question would be: How many women are prostitutes by choice? The few serious studies that have been done do not suggest there are many who enter prostitution by choice and there are even fewer that remain a significant length of time through their own volition.


I was talking to an auto mechanic today. he said he would have never taken up this job out of choice. But he did! He had to. Without coercion. And even though he didn't particularly enjoy it, it provided a livelihood. There are thousands of people in any profession who do not really enjoy what they do...but they do so....and noone put a gun on their head and asked them to be so. As I have said, forcing a girl to enter the world of prostitution is a crime. But if she does so out economic necessity, it is nobody's fault.



Non-sense! By expanding the meaning of "selling yourself" to this extent, you effectively make it meaningless. When is the last time your employer asked you to give him a bj -- and mind the teeth? Seriously, "selling yourself" as a prostitute just cannot compare to "selling yourself" as floor sweeper.


Now you are beginning to sound retarded. Every job has its description. If my job required me to give my boss a bj, it would have a skill requirement. Bottomline. You know or have a fair idea where you are going. A prostitute also has a fair idea that she is selling her body.




"How great would it feel at age 70 to look back and see that you have penetrated 100 different and unique vaginas??"
I'm quoting this sentence because, with all the absurdity presented in this thread, this has to rank as the most absurd thing written here. I can only hope that the goal is not merely to have sex with each of those "vaginas" just once. Because if it is, that's a really, really, really, tiny number of times to be having sex in a lifetime (if we can count "age 70" to be a lifetime). Anyway, if you set your mind to it, you could probably accomplish that goal in 4 months -- tops. Of course, if you seriously are just thinking of penetration you might be able to do it in a day. Good luck with that.


And frankly, I don't have words to thank you for considering my statement as absurd. With the kind of logic that you have displayed so far in this discourse, it would have been a cause for alarm if you would have said otherwise. So I am very happy that you think that my statement was absurd!! It was your assumption that it had to be just once with each woman. by 100 I did not mean 100 prostitutes. That 100 was just for purposes of illustration. If I am dating someone, or have a friends with benefit which I currently do, I have it more than 100 times in 4 months. But to you 100 times in 120 days is a huge number. Didnt I tell you that you are a person with low sex drive? If there are even 5 relationships there (say 2 long term, 3 short term), I am happy. But I seek variety. I am willing to have sex from whichever source I get it where coercion is not involved. Maybe I am ambitious in that regard. And I know that years into a marriage, the frequency slowly goes down. LOL. But its futile trying to explain to a narrow minded person like you what visual stimulus and desire for variety means. You go and watch the same episode of Seinfield (rather infrequently)..and only just that...again and again and again. LOL.
 MsMicki
Joined: 10/2/2006
Msg: 178
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What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 10/17/2008 4:31:05 PM
What if Prostitution was Legal?

My car would be paid off.
 printer2
Joined: 6/19/2007
Msg: 179
What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 10/17/2008 4:53:36 PM
No effect on me. I am too cheap. Why pay for something that I can do myself.
 OneMoreTimeWithFeeling
Joined: 9/8/2008
Msg: 181
What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 10/19/2008 4:07:05 PM
I think it should be legal anyway. If I had patience with men, I would do it in a heartbeat. Oh and if I didn't have to talk to them. I'm just too picky. I admire women that can do that though.
 edster1224
Joined: 2/27/2008
Msg: 185
What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 10/20/2008 8:24:17 AM
If prostitution was legal in my state, then I'd have a lot less money.
I've thought a lot about that too. They could legalize it and then make women and even men get a certificate or a license for it. They could go take a test at the DMV (Department of More Vaginia). Then the government could tax it as well.

Ed
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 187
Happy Hookers?
Posted: 10/25/2008 6:56:30 PM

F*ck No...it's in their genes!!!


I really don't think it's a woman's genes that makes them act in a way that tempts men to stray. I think women learn it.
 dead fish
Joined: 10/21/2008
Msg: 188
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Posted: 10/25/2008 7:15:53 PM
Whatever.
Things don't have to be legal to be done or not done.
We have to think for ourselves and be careful of the consequences of our actions.
Be they good or bad or inbetween.
Many laws are not made to save us from ourselves but to make money while pretending they do.
Come on, we all know that by now.
 robmaclaw
Joined: 7/24/2004
Msg: 190
What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 10/26/2008 9:46:39 AM
The issue at hand is "what if prostitution were legal (in the US) as it is in Europe, Canada etc (not to be confused with street walking).

It's estimated that, in California, $1.3 billion is spent on enforcement, court time etc. The same sources at Stanford estimate that, by licensing, medical testing and income tax revenue, not only would California recover the $1.3 billion but add over a billion to the coffers...$2.3 billion net income. This does not assume the establishment of brothels, only "escorting". Think of the foolishness of police motel stings...just focus on the street crime, drugs and pimping.

Some studies in the UK indicate that due to the lessening of risk (vis a vis arrest, prosecution, fines etc, the prices are lower, health risks are reduced and collateral crime lessened and more providers enter the business).
 robmaclaw
Joined: 7/24/2004
Msg: 191
What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 10/26/2008 9:48:20 AM
Zipp

You rape the King's English, mate
 Witchypoo
Joined: 9/17/2005
Msg: 193
What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 10/26/2008 3:51:38 PM
Seriously..... if prostitution were legal, that would be my profession. There's an old saying, do what you love and the money will follow. But I'm a crazy freak.

:))
Witchy
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 195
What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 10/26/2008 8:36:38 PM
since when does it matter to men if prostitution is legal or not?

Obviously, it must not matter to the women who are prostitutes, either.

And just who are these women who withhold sex to get things???I truly have never encountered a woman yet who has ever done this,

Then either you have never read a thread on these forums or you are so used to thinking it's normal that you don't recognize it for what it is. Go check the threads where women talk about ``having sex'' in terms of ``giving him sex.'' Or how about the threads in which some (adult) woman has sex with some (adult) man and the woman somehow feels ``used,'' as if she would have held out if the guy wasn't so cunning. Or how about the threads where women complain that they didn't get a phone call the day after sleeping with some guy - as if the guy owes her something she doesn't owe the guy. For a lot of women, sex is about manipulation, even if it's subtle. If women didn't play head games and weren't catty, prostitution would die out.
 HarDayKnight
Joined: 12/27/2007
Msg: 201
What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 10/28/2008 10:26:43 AM

wow, if prostitution was legal, does that mean it would be taxed too



If there were a way to tax it, it would be legal.
 freetime2bme
Joined: 1/16/2006
Msg: 204
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Posted: 10/28/2008 12:32:03 PM
"How would relationships be different if prostitution was legal?"

Having lived and worked around the world, I have been in more then a few countries were prostitution is legal. I believe it does have a positive effect, but I am a man. I find the women (none working girls) try much harder to please their men and the men take much less crap. Some women might not think these are good things, but I do.
 GeneralizingNow
Joined: 10/10/2007
Msg: 206
What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 10/28/2008 1:19:46 PM
Maybe on the positive little 6-7-8 years old girls in those countries that Freetime think are so great wouldn't be forced into ****ing adult males. If it's legal, perhaps they could raise the minimum age of a prostitute to 18 or something, and actually let it be a career choice, not a "do it or die" mandate.


Gawd, I wish *I* were as naive as some posters.
 freetime2bme
Joined: 1/16/2006
Msg: 207
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Posted: 10/28/2008 1:52:05 PM
"Gawd, I wish *I* were as naive as some posters."

The crimes you talk about are not happening in large number in the countries were it is legal. In the countries were it is legal, it is also inspected. Woking women that work in the counties were it is legal are far better off also. The OP question was what effect it would have on relationships and I tried to give an honest reply from some one who has been to those counties. Learn to read.
 dead fish
Joined: 10/21/2008
Msg: 210
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Posted: 10/31/2008 9:59:16 PM
What if breathing was illegal?
 obediantbabe
Joined: 11/15/2008
Msg: 211
What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 11/24/2008 1:15:26 PM
Even if I used to do bars before I was a Christian, many of the women react like they are the 'meat at the market' in a prostitution lineup in those dives called bars as they have little morals being on parade.

And don't even tell me that the Attorneys, Legislatures, and Judges have not made a mockery out of marriage as much of it has become prostitution in principle.

The real shame are the girls who have gone right along with the courts agenda and are only playing men in this 'marital prostitution' program that marriage has become. And what's worse is there are so many stupid males who are willing to be punished in these relationships and can't see how they aren't trully a husband as much as being used and just a pawn in the game!
 compleat_man
Joined: 10/3/2008
Msg: 213
What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 11/24/2008 2:29:21 PM

Whats the difference between buying a prostitute for the night or spending $50 on drinks for the easy chic at the bar?


I dunno, the prostitute has probably s*kked or f*kked 10-20 guys already that day possibly, whereas the 'easy chic' hopefully has not? also not sure but the pro might cost more than $50..and quite possibly a guy could have the 'easy chic' without spending $50 on drinks , anyway
 obediantbabe
Joined: 11/15/2008
Msg: 215
What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 11/29/2008 3:48:28 PM
In theory prostitution is legal as in most marriages have become that contrasted to Biblical marriages.

IE. the courts don't care if you have a successful marriage or not. They will take the money, award child support, fine another alimony, etc.

What happen to 'for the security and domestic welfare' of the family.

IE. how many females are only using a man and have in thier agenda divorce as a possibility or latter tactic to 'trade up' for thier financial security?

If one does some Biblical research divorce was punishable by the guilty party caught in adultry of the 'death penalty' in the most idealistic times in Israel. In other words one could not practice serial monogamy(multiple divorces) as in the hypocritical system of the USA.

The Lawyers and judges DO NOT care about the ethics of marriage as long as they get thier fees!

So in a great sense prostitution is legal throughout America in that it is now a covert form and comoflodged into the illigetimatcy of what is now hypocriticly called *marriage*!

But few have read thier Bibles enough to even grasp that concept!
 Major_canadian
Joined: 2/22/2005
Msg: 217
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Posted: 11/29/2008 6:11:14 PM
paying for sex isn't against the law, if you meet a woman in a bar, you go back to her place, have sex with her, then leave her $50 on the night stand, isn't against the law, what is illegal is advertizing it, or solicitation, if a person utters how much they are willing to pay, and what they want for that money, that's whats against the law, the actual act isn't, otherwise, police posing as prostitutes would have to go all the way to bust a john. so, if going to a pro is what you're into, and you're not sure if the lady you're approaching is really an undercover cop, ask her to show you her boobs, never offer money til she shows you, if she won't, she's probably a cop, if she will show you, then you can name your price. good luck.....lol
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 219
What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 11/29/2008 9:07:09 PM
Legalize prostitution globally, and that weapon is no longer available.


Well put and very true - even now with it being illegal. Any guy can get laid for a few hundred dollars with very little risk of arrest. Not only that, it's safer than picking up someone in a bar and it's a sure thing.


So yea, it'll never happen in my lifetime.


Don't count on it. Since they started taking advantage of the internet, it's already becoming fairly acceptable as a form of dating for women seeking sugar daddies. It's more likely that prostitution will change because it won't be competitive with women wanting a dating arrangement for a couple thousand/month. It's still prostitution, but legally, it's more of a gray area and much much harder to prosecute than with the usual 300/hr escort. As a practical matter, women seeking sugar daddies don't even see themselves as prostitutes and are unlikely to ever be targeted by LE.
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 220
What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 11/29/2008 9:15:48 PM

When a girl tries using sex as a weapon on me. My responce usually goes something like " Baby, I ain't getting any, but honey, neither are you. "


Not to put too fine a point on it, but if she wants sex, it won't take her an hour to find someone to oblige.



To me it's all about equality anyways. And as far as prostitution goes. Well... if if it were legalized. Damn right it'd take the power all away from the females crotch. However if the guy has any morals. He won't be looking for sex from someone else in the first place while being married.


You don't have to be married for women to use sex as a weapon. For most women, sex is about manipulation whether they are dating, married, whatever.
 holeinthewall
Joined: 8/18/2008
Msg: 221
What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 11/30/2008 2:09:02 AM
ive never done that.
when you think about it,
its been going on for years.
women who have sex with you
will generally want something in return.
its complicated.
it happens legally and no one says anything.
the world is funny like that
 phishkev
Joined: 9/19/2008
Msg: 222
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Posted: 12/2/2008 11:37:08 AM
The government would find a way to "screw" it up...couldn't resist!!!
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