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 CuriousDav56
Joined: 3/16/2007
Msg: 6
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^^^ is this the woman that went on vacation to Mexico

with her air miles from the Liquor Store?
 untamed one
Joined: 3/28/2007
Msg: 7
Brenda Martin in mexican jail
Posted: 3/21/2008 4:09:30 AM
No , She was suspected of being involved with a guy convicted of internet fraud , she was paid a year's salary owing to her and that's how she got tangled up in this . Also , she was down there on an expired work visa which is how they found her . So Brenda Martin has spent 2 years waiting for trial in a scummy jail cell shared with 12 others . Last report has word from the Mexicans that they 'll expedite her case .
The problem is Mexico is a democracy , albeit a backwards , corrupt one so they have their due process of law . Martin's mother is asking for a general release which isn't going to happen or else every Canadian in jail abroad would be asking for one .
 CuriousDav56
Joined: 3/16/2007
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Posted: 3/21/2008 2:12:33 PM
Oh...............

Must be thinking of another sheet.
 untamed one
Joined: 3/28/2007
Msg: 9
Brenda Martin in mexican jail
Posted: 3/23/2008 5:14:54 AM
Thanks for adding the Roth story , Perfect Gent , that part was left out of the news stories around the Toronto area .
 foxycdnlady
Joined: 3/22/2008
Msg: 10
Brenda Martin in mexican jail
Posted: 3/28/2008 9:16:12 AM
I agree with you in part wpg chick. but if Brenda Martin was someone important or a family member of an MP This gov wouldnt be sitting on there asses and turn thier backs on her.. The fact that we trade with Mexico gives us alot of clout. Instead they have done sod all and use pathetic excuses. That Idiot PM in Ottawa has the power to get her realeased..Mexico needs our trade and tourists. She has done nothing wrong she worked for a guy who also stated she knew nothing about his internet fraud.
He owes Mexico money and she (Martin) is being held randsom....Oh btw, there is
No such thing as special treatment in those jails....Ive traveled alot to Mexico its my faverite resort destination but the old saying goes (when in Rome do as the romans do, you dont mess with them).
This Goverment should locate her boss, hes the the one they want and trade him for Martin...or even better have him pay the ransom Mexico is holding her for..So that Martin can come home before she becomes another Mexican statistic.
ok now im off my soap box
Foxy
 haywiresue
Joined: 9/27/2006
Msg: 13
Brenda Martin in mexican jail
Posted: 4/7/2008 9:01:24 AM
TYK - I disagree with your line of thinking about a Canadian visiting another country who gets charged with an offence and they should be given a fair trial.

We, meaning people in North America, have this idea that where ever we are or where ever we go, the world should be as it is at home. This is absolutely silly. We live in a world where things are not fair. We have people here who take absolutely no time to know what is happening in the world, or take the time to understand the laws/culture of foreign countries they visit. Now when these people travel, do something that breaks the law in another country, excpet to be treated as they would at home and this is not the way the world works. I like to think of the movie line "You are not in Kansas any more Dorothy" when I travel to other countries as we are "guests" not residents and we do not have the rights/priviledges afforded to us that we have at home.

I find it funny that most people who want the world to be "fair" object to the war in the middle east. North America's involvement in this war, sent the troops there to try and bring democracy to those countries. Cant have it both ways - either we make the world democratic for all the people, which includes war or we back out and turn our backs on them. I would rather see the world become a democracy rather than continue to bring refugees to our country and support them.
 haywiresue
Joined: 9/27/2006
Msg: 14
Brenda Martin in mexican jail
Posted: 4/7/2008 6:13:32 PM
TYK - exactly Travellers Beware. I have travelled abroad and just shake my head at some of the things people do - from trying to bring home items that are not allowed into our country, spending more than is allowed while away or at a tax-free shops. It terrible when you are in line trying to clear customs and have to listen to these idiots compain bitterly when they have not known what was expected of them. I have been in the caribbean when people where told at the resort not to do certain things and then b!tch and belly-ache for the remainder of their vacations because they got mugged or robbed.

I personally think it is naive to think you will get the justice we are afforded here in every region or country a person travells to. Each country is its own jurisdiction and have its own set of laws/punishments, so travellers beware. I think the old tv show Baretta and the line he used is appropriate here - If you cant do the time, dont do the crime. I'm sick of listening to people play stupid and expect to be rescued because they refuse to be personally responsible for themselves and their own actions.
 haywiresue
Joined: 9/27/2006
Msg: 17
Brenda Martin in mexican jail
Posted: 4/7/2008 10:13:51 PM
Dudleyh45 - thanks for your compliment, that you like my line of thinking.

I must disagree with your comment about feminist doctrines and liberalism destroying morality - as the feminist doctrines were about equality for women in the areas of, no longer being considered chattle to a man, rights about birth control and their own bodies, sexual freedom, the right to work and pay equity, the right to acquire credit for purchases and there are probably other issues that I have missed. It was the extremists that caused the problems with the burning of bra's etc.

It was not liberalism that is causing the problem, Canada has become a "Nanny Country" as people no longer need to be responsible for themselves. If you cant get into our country as an immigrant all you need to do is get refugee status and you dont need a sponsor, or run the risk of being deported if you do not conform and dont feel like working to earn an honest living. We elect people who change the laws so people are hearded into a socialist state as opposed to a democracy. If you dont believe that, examine our Autopac and our health system. We do not have an option of choosing our own vehicle insurance and no fault insurance does not make the driver at fault responsible for their actions - as a result we all pay more than necessary and the pittance of a rebate is to shut everyone up when rate decreases should be instituted for those with good driving records. Our medical system is a joke as we dont have the option for private health insurance with better coverage than what the government provides for our tax dollar that we have no say in. Then, there is the introduction of Winnipeg Regional Health. I am amazed at how large the bueracracy has become. The larger the administration, the less funding available for programs which means longer waits for tests, test results i.e. x-rays, treatment and not to mention longer waits for emergency patients in hallways. It is unfortunate that the people of Canada do not work together for a common purpose and goal - the survival and global positioning of our country, instead of playing regional government games thinking that each province is the king of the castle.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 19
Brenda Martin in mexican jail
Posted: 4/8/2008 12:04:21 AM
Regarding the guy sentenced to 200 lashes; if I'm not mistaken, these lashes aren't all delivered in one session, but rather are broken up into small groups ( 25 ? 50 ? I dunno) and he's allowed to recuperate/heal before they're continued some time later.

As to the woman in Mexico, if she's innocent ( doubtful but not impossible) then it's terrible. If she's guilty then she has no one to blame but herself and should serve the sentence they dole out there.
 haywiresue
Joined: 9/27/2006
Msg: 20
Brenda Martin in mexican jail
Posted: 4/9/2008 10:21:15 AM
Dudleyh45 - you are right that it was the suffragists who started the early work for women's rights. However there are women who considered themselves feminists, that during the 60's and later equally did a lot for the womens movement, and women's rights that we enjoy today. It is unfortunate that in socieity we allow the negative images to surface when we think of words like "feminists". There are many women who during the feminist movement were not as news worthy as the bra burners and extremeists, who instead of working for the betterment of women, used the media to bolster their own ego by making themselves quasi-famous, and use this new found fame, as a way to make money. What is undermining society is the effect the media (tv, movies, sensationalized news stories, internet, radio, ads/magazines, etc) has on driving the masses to live or try to exist in a plastic perfect society.

I am glad you like the term "Nanny Country" but it is not mine, it was shared to me by a very intellegent politically involved friend and it describes what is going on in our country so appropriately. I believe we are moving towards something that is like communism, but not quite. We as Canadian citizens are giving away all our rights and dont seem to give rats a$$ about them as we are all so busy trying to get ahead from what we deem is the "perfect life" as we continue (as a country) to live beyond our means and are not responsible for our own actions.

I am one of your noted "nut cases" I speak up for my rights, the rights of others and refuse to give away my rights.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 21
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Posted: 4/9/2008 11:12:57 PM
True, but the bottom line is "their country, their rules". Canada can go to war with them, negotiate some sort of deal, or apply economic sanctions; we can't dictate that they follow our legal system.
 poly_pal
Joined: 12/30/2004
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Brenda Martin in mexican jail
Posted: 4/18/2008 10:34:59 AM
All travellers must abide by the laws of the jurisdiction that they are in. Common sense suggests that one inform himself of the risks that they may be undertaking simply by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

However, the treatment of Canadian (and American) travellers and tourists that have become victims of violence, or involved in some incident, while in Mexico suggests that there is a general lack of respect for Canadians. If one does the crime they should do the time. However, we should all press for due process of law to be upheld in a fair manner, if one has been accused of a criminal act.

I suggest that all Canadians re-examine their choice of vacation destination and boycott Mexico for awhile. There are plenty of alternative destinations at comparable prices. I personally will go so far as to boycott KAHLUA (my favorite beverage, sniff) if that helps PEDRO get the message.

Canadian citizens (and Americans) can send a message to all Banana republics (does Mexico have bananas?) and the like, with THEIR WALLETS, by refusing to support their businesses. Hitting them in the wallet may do more good than our political stooges seem to accomplish.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 23
Brenda Martin in mexican jail
Posted: 5/6/2008 3:00:14 PM
So the jailbird is back in Canada now. The cost?

Canadian taxpayers paid $82,727 to transport her back to Canada. The Challenger jet & crew were leased from Fox Aviation (a Montreal company...what a surprise ).

What a waste of our money... unless this is meant to show that there's such a large surplus in the federal coffers that they have run out of things to spend the cash on.

Why the heck does it require a chartered plane to transport her here? Couldn't they send someone from the justice department to escort her on a commercial flight?
 flyin-high
Joined: 10/28/2007
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Brenda Martin in mexican jail
Posted: 5/6/2008 3:26:29 PM
Damn! A Challenger cost’s $8,500/hour… They could have rented a Lear 45 for $2,500/hour… of course the Lear doesn’t have leather interior, big screen TV, and a wet bar.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 27
Brenda Martin in mexican jail
Posted: 5/6/2008 4:54:50 PM

I guess someone doesn't care for francophones...


Wrong, someone doesn't care for federal cash going to support Montreal/Quebec companies ( Bombardier, anyone?) in lieu of other companies across Canada. If they're going to be spending this much they should have used the tendering process and taken the best deal. Or even hire an American company if that was cheaper ( maybe the train or bus would have been an idea).

Btw, I'm french.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 28
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Posted: 8/22/2009 8:53:52 PM

How are you hired by your last name??


??? What ???
 foxycdnlady
Joined: 3/22/2008
Msg: 29
Brenda Martin in mexican jail
Posted: 3/12/2012 7:55:55 PM
thorn get your facts straight before making comments that come off as ludicrous

she didnt do anything wrong Mexico is corrupt and holding her ransom..
I wonder if she were your family member you would be so heartless and yes the" Idiot Pm" does have the power to release her hes got the clout,tourism and trade to bargain with .
to get her out..

Mexico wants the bucks to release her pure and simple shes the bargaining chip.
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