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 NorseViking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 107
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They're not pennies, they're millions, and their backed with the experience and knowledge that made them happen.

Lose the emotional reaction, sit back and listen to the smartest person in this forum.


The reason I emotionally reacted is that you emotionally reacted to my post. You claim to be the smartest on the forum and yet you got upset enough to use obsenity and try to invalidate everything i said rather than to agree with it and add to it. What I said was true for the most part. Yes there is more info that you can share with us based on your experience but it doesn't invalidate what I said, neither can you.
 tableguy
Joined: 11/12/2007
Msg: 108
Stop Buying Made in China
Posted: 4/8/2008 7:58:45 PM
Wake up, its not greed its the most profit, and companies are entitled to make the most profit.How they see these profits, is up to them.
As far as the lucky vet is concerned a)the chinese product today is much inferior.Five years from now i dont know 2)Govn't is needed to regulate , to have standards. l.Other wise we will see a lot of sh*t on the shelf that can do alot of harm.
 cuillerier
Joined: 6/21/2006
Msg: 109
Stop Buying Made in China
Posted: 4/8/2008 8:02:03 PM
I agree we need in North America to stop buying Chinese made Junk.

I have shoes, that the rubber is falling off, a computer monitor junk after 1 year, scissors that are wore out, screws that strip easily, etc.

Theres not much quality in most of the stuff from there. I got a calculator that the number 5 was really a 9, etc. I had a shopping bag, made in China, that was ripped in about 2 weeks.

I hope in time we can make the stuff here, and forget that chinese stuff thats no good. What a waste of money if it last 5% as long as a north american made item.

Take Care Folks!
 NorseViking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 110
Stop Buying Made in China
Posted: 4/8/2008 8:03:45 PM

Wake up, its not greed its the most profit,


Greed and the Most profit are the same thing. Why are we arguing sumantics here?

As far as I am concerned 1) we need to rebuild our american Infrastructure now. 2) we need to boycott china in all way shapes and forms.3) gov't regulations are both a good and a bad thing. They protect our fellow man, but they hurt the corperations and force them outside our borders.
 tableguy
Joined: 11/12/2007
Msg: 111
Stop Buying Made in China
Posted: 4/8/2008 8:26:21 PM
No matter what our infrastucture is we cannot compete with 5 or 6 billion chinese who work for minimal wages and almost have no regulation It is up to the government to change the way the chinese do business.Buy increasing tariffs until the chinese play on a level playing field.That means minimum wage vacation pay , pensions. Ican see the chinese govn't agreeing to all that.Or let them make it, and we will fix it.Increase the service sector
 NorseViking869
Joined: 3/23/2006
Msg: 112
Stop Buying Made in China
Posted: 4/8/2008 11:07:57 PM

No matter what our infrastucture is we cannot compete with 5 or 6 billion chinese who work for minimal wages and almost have no regulation It is up to the government to change the way the chinese do business.Buy increasing tariffs until the chinese play on a level playing field.That means minimum wage vacation pay , pensions. Ican see the chinese govn't agreeing to all that.Or let them make it, and we will fix it.Increase the service sector


We have 6 billion people in the world, only about one billion Chinese in china. Our planet only has a carying capacity of 8 billion tops. Sorry to burst your bubble. We got along great with out the chinese products bvefore we can do it again.
 gizmosellschickens
Joined: 5/20/2007
Msg: 113
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Posted: 4/9/2008 1:36:22 AM
We can get along without Chinese made imports but the purchasing power will be reduced in the west across the board. Still, maybe its 30% more for a computer or automotive component without Chinese trade, but at least we wont have to buy from companies that use politcal prisoners to build cheap imported goods.

Im a pragmagic and know that trade with China will not end, but the terms need to be based on among fair rules. For example, Chinese producer exports a dvd player that is sold at department store for $29.99, but the cost to produce the DVD player is $23.99 and the real cost is $28.99. The Chinese use export rebates, and yuan rigging export goods below the acutal cost to produce it. The Chinese are using merchantilism 101, and giving the West its opium of cheap electric goods. The cheap electronics wont last forever since Chinese producers will move up the food chain of production goods to export.

These politcains can stress more education. Yes, eduction is important but not every person is gonna be enigeer or highly skilled worker. Society and the economy should be conform to the confront level of society. The question is buying a computer from China worth savings of $200 if you see your fellow citizens in the west lose thier jobs . True, some jobs will never come back to Europe or North America, but should we the west devalue are working class to help the Chinese producers out. Not against trading with China, but China needs transpracy, human rights, civil freedoms so actual costs of the goods are transparent to society imported from China. Just against politcal prisoners building computers, or goverment denying workers basic safety, sanitation breaks, and the right to form independant trade unions, and not goverment run trade unions.
 Lucky_Vet
Joined: 3/27/2005
Msg: 114
Stop Buying Made in China
Posted: 4/9/2008 7:37:18 AM
Good answer gizmo. little is known that prisons are actually factories (payoffs made to wardens) and otherwise free men are kept there.

RBM is deliberately devalued as well, amidst protest throughout the world.
Biggest problem is our own system that drove our companies over there.

Excessive taxation, regulation vs non of that in China. Our companies have little left for R&D necessary to stay 20 years ahead of the world as we once did. Much smarter to go over there, educated them, place your own QC inspectors, and make your product. America as we know is finished, soon it'll all be one world rule.

Most fail to realize Obama, Hillary, Bushes, McCains, etc are all in bed with the CFR (a david rockafeller original) aimed at eliminating sovernty. Buckle your seat belts.

You silly americans want to save your country? Boot out the elitists, vote in your Texas congressman. Anybody with a clue of economics, socio political systems gets it.
Rest is all bandaids, go to the root.
 Obsidius
Joined: 9/11/2006
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Posted: 4/9/2008 6:46:41 PM
there's several stories floating around in the media these days about product recall due to lead found in these products:
stop the chinese poison train
http://consumerist.com/tag/chinese-poison-train/
 tableguy
Joined: 11/12/2007
Msg: 117
Stop Buying Made in China
Posted: 4/9/2008 8:08:17 PM
Okay there may not be 5 or 6 billion chinese but there are at least 2 or 3 billion chinese and 1 billion plus in India.There are 300 million in the US and 30 million people in Canada.People (consumers) only care about the bottom line(esp. if you dont have much).The only way to stop or reduce the made in china products is to level the playing field.That is through our goverment.
 bob0colo
Joined: 4/9/2006
Msg: 118
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Posted: 4/10/2008 9:25:51 AM
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Okay there may not be 5 or 6 billion chinese but there are at least 2 or 3 billion chinese



What's a few hundred million??

Mar 4 2008
With just over 1.3 billion people (1,321,851,888 as of mid-2007), China is the world's largest and most populous country.
http://geography.about.com/od/populationgeography/a/chinapopulation.htm


China is going to graduate 300 million english speakers......


Why is china growing by great leaps.....
Investment in infrastructure......
Government investment.....

We don’t get lower prices From Cheap crap made in China...

We gain Greater Corporate profit.....

When the jeans, shoes or waste basket is made in China did you notice a drop in price..........

With 85% of the Heparin coming from China your going to tell the Surgeon what???

What about your other medications???

No label of origin???

Are your Drugs a lot cheaper....... Many are made in China....

With no regulator oversight....






Wall Street Journal

In a small, damp factory here [in Yuanlou, China], blood-smeared men wring pulp from pig intestines, then heat it in concrete vats.

The activity at Yuan Intestine & Casing Factory is the first step in the poorly regulated process of making raw heparin, the main ingredient in a type of blood-thinning medicine that in recent days has come under suspicion in the deaths of four Americans.

More than half the world's heparin comes from China. The chemical is often extracted from pig entrails in small factories -- many as rudimentary as this one, which also manufactures sausage casings from intestines.

Heparin goes through extensive processing in its journey from abattoir to IV bag. Nevertheless, because some of it originates in tiny Chinese factories like these, if there's a problem with the final medication, it can be nearly impossible to trace the raw heparin back to the source, the pigs whose tissue was used to make it.

Heparin makers in China readily acknowledge the lack of oversight. Yuan Changkun, the owner of the small factory here, says health regulators don't visit his plant. Mr. Yuan doesn't keep records of where he acquires the intestines he uses. Nor is he sure who the end customers are.

The raw heparin made by China's myriad small producers ends up in the hands of about 50 export companies, which sell to customers overseas. In the first half of last year, more than 85% of these heparin exports went to the U.S., Austria, France, Italy and Germany, according to an industry trade group.




Could we build a Fighter a Tank A Humvee without China ?????

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 instride
Joined: 12/14/2007
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Posted: 4/10/2008 10:03:20 AM
Even if it's not made directly in China, it is very possible it is made in a CFTA country.
Google China Free Trade Agreement. I bet you will be overwhelmed by the number of countries who not only trade with them but also do some or their outsourced work.
China has big plans to import more into Central, South America, Mexico, The US and to Canada. They are widening the Panama Canal, investing in the Trans Continental Corridor, investing in the Trans Texas Corridor and will be collecting tolls off the Superhighway 69.
 smileee4u
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 120
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Posted: 4/10/2008 5:08:33 PM
Good idea. We could have franchises all over the states.... made in USA stores. Never thought of it.... Good idea!
 tableguy
Joined: 11/12/2007
Msg: 121
Stop Buying Made in China
Posted: 4/10/2008 5:32:15 PM
Again the only way we can compete with chinese goods(after they perfect manuf. them)is a level playing field and and and government regulations.
The question was can we build a Tank without China,the answer is, not a cheaper one.If the question was (I feel like Jeopardy)can we build a much much better Tank without China, the answer is, a resounding yes.Can China make cheaper crap then us, the answer, a resounding yes.
 bob0colo
Joined: 4/9/2006
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Posted: 4/14/2008 1:39:30 PM
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so long as we can pay 50 cents less a tin of peaches.



Bet the price don't go down.... MORE PROFIT....


 huixin
Joined: 11/22/2007
Msg: 126
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Posted: 6/4/2008 7:29:34 PM
Not buying Made in China is a very good idea.
1.The education in Tibet is free.The govt of China supplies most sides for Tibetan.
2.Not buying made in China means that you will give none aid on the economy to China
3.Therefore the govt of China has less to Tibet.
4.Love Tibet Buy made in China.
5.Be hero -in -activity , don't be a false martyr.
 NERO1
Joined: 3/8/2008
Msg: 127
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Posted: 6/4/2008 7:45:06 PM
Yeah, right......... the US is NOT going to stop buying goods that are made in China. Ever. People that have bumper stickers w/slogans like "Boycott Red China" on the backs of their pickup trucks are totally ignorant to the bigger world economic picture. Sure, let's dump China. Or, on the other hand, or in return for that attempted boycott, they could dump the US dollar... within a few yrs we'd likely be paying a hundred dollars for a gallon of milk, riding bikes to work, & listening much more seriously all of a sudden to homegrown crazies, radicals, & militants of all types as our gov't falls apart ... good times.....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22362982/

"China has been making increasingly aggressive investments in some of the world's most prestigious financial companies in recent months — most of them American. Morgan Stanley, Bear Stearns, Blackstone Group, and Britain's Barclays have all negotiated major stakes by Chinese government-controlled investment funds.

Investment banks ailing from the subprime mortgage mess are looking for money to shore up their balance sheets. And China is leading a surge of strategic investments from Asia and the Middle East that so far have sunk about $25 billion into Wall Street banks.

That's just the start of what some believe is a dramatic reversal of financial power in the shadow of Wall Street's credit turmoil.

"Both Chinese private and government interests are controlling more and more of the U.S. economy, and this is a result of the big trade and budget deficits we have," said Alan Donziger, professor of economics at Villanova School of Business. "These investments will make the U.S. somewhat less independent, but this is inevitable when we live in a global economy."

To be sure, Wall Street's current predicament is "our own doing," he said. Turmoil in the credit markets have been fueled by defaults on subprime mortgages, and that's caused the Federal Reserve to attempt a bailout of the industry through interest rate cuts.

Lower interest rates have caused the dollar to slide in value against other major currencies. And, for foreign governments, the devalued dollar makes investments in these financial institutions cheap...

"The whole situation has changed with financial power moving dramatically toward China and the Middle East, and that will have significant impact over time,"

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http://english.pravda.ru/business/finance/10-09-2007/96909-us_economy-0

"The U.S. dollar is standing at the edge of a cliff, and most people don’t even know it.

Data released by the New York Federal Reserve shows that foreign central banks have been net sellers of U.S. treasuries over the past five weeks, with $48 billion having been sold since late July, and $32 billion in just the last two weeks.

The U.S. runs budget deficits each year. If foreigners stop buying treasuries—or worse, start selling them—the dollar could be in big trouble.

The reduction in treasuries “comes as a big surprise and it is definitely worrying,” said Hans Redeker, foreign exchange strategy chief at bnp Paribas, one of Europe’s biggest banks.

The Telegraph reported that, according to Redeker, the numbers demonstrate “that world central banks are in a hurry to get out of the U.S.”

The nation that analysts are watching especially closely at this stage is China. Whether or not Beijing is selling its dollars can’t be officially confirmed until November, when the Treasury releases its tic data. However, top Beijing officials have been signaling for at least two years that dollar sales are increasingly imminent.

This past August, two Chinese government officials highlighted China’s massive U.S. dollar holdings (which include treasuries) and how it supports the value of the U.S. currency. They also noted that Beijing could use those holdings as a political weapon to counter congressional calls to revalue the yuan and impose trade sanctions on Chinese goods. Chinese state media referred to the country’s stockpile of U.S. dollars as its economic “nuclear option,” capable of destroying the dollar at will.

Beijing also clearly signaled that it would begin “diversifying” out of the dollar earlier this year when it announced plans to rebalance its $1.34 trillion currency reserves, which are mostly U.S. bonds. Already Beijing has created a $300 billion investment fund to use those dollars to purchase other assets in an attempt to increase its investment returns.

It should come as no shock, then, that China would now be selling its dollar holdings.

The danger, as the Telegraph notes, relates to the fact that China holds such a large amount of treasuries. Any confirmed evidence that China was no longer supporting the dollar, and was actually selling it, risks setting off “an unstoppable stampede” in which other nations would seek to dump their holdings before China swamps the market and demand for dollars is overwhelmed.

The implications of a run on the dollar due to Chinese treasury-dumping go far beyond just the value of the greenback..." (cont'd on the link)
 NERO1
Joined: 3/8/2008
Msg: 128
Stop Buying Made in China
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:31:53 AM
^^Well put Muslim. Good essay. I agree.
 huixin
Joined: 11/22/2007
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Posted: 6/5/2008 5:06:39 PM
Muslim_Jihadist knows China too much. with equal comment
 NERO1
Joined: 3/8/2008
Msg: 131
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Posted: 6/17/2008 8:47:09 AM
^^ Well, for what it's worth, the ongoing rise in oil prices may ultimately prove something of a boon to US manufacturing. Shipping costs from China to the US has nearly doubled I believe (give or take) over the past couple of years. This could well mean that many corporations will keep it either domestic or at least much closer (Mexico, Canada). If oil ever got up to $200/barrel it would almost certainly be the case as shipping costs for a load of steel on a freighter would have increased from somewhere around 3K (US) to somewhere around 15K ! Corporations, whatever else they do, always look at the "bottom line"...
 designingwoman
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Posted: 6/17/2008 8:37:52 PM
Perhaps one of the advantages of the high gas prices is that American companies will be (finally!!!!!) forced to bring those jobs back home where they BELONG!!!
 jimtash71
Joined: 3/12/2008
Msg: 133
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Posted: 6/18/2008 9:32:13 AM
As long as we keep buying from China, we finance their military. And anybody who is gullable enough to believe China won't use that military against Taiwan or any other country in the region is dreaming. Wait til after the olympics and watch them start flexing their military might.
 NERO1
Joined: 3/8/2008
Msg: 134
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Posted: 6/18/2008 10:07:47 AM
^^ Regardless, the US can't just decide to NOT do anymore business with China, anymore than it can decide to not do business with Saudi Arabia, or Venezuela, or whoever else we can come up with who has a style of gov't that is apparently distasteful to Washington DC. Unless they decide they're retreating totally from the world, walling off and fortifying the southern borders, returning to a (totally unrealistic in this day and age) 19th or early 20th century phase of economic and political "isolationism", and basically just closing the entire country. And they might as well close the country if they tried to do that because if only China and Saudi Arabia pulled their investments out of the US economy the entire thing would crash. The world is far too intertwined now for any of the major players to pull out or "stop buying" from each other and so on.
 jimtash71
Joined: 3/12/2008
Msg: 135
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Posted: 6/18/2008 8:06:46 PM
Regardless, the US can't just decide to NOT do anymore business with China, anymore than it can decide to not do business with Saudi Arabia, or Venezuela, or whoever else we can come up with who has a style of gov't that is apparently distasteful to Washington DC. Unless they decide they're retreating totally from the world, walling off and fortifying the southern borders, returning to a (totally unrealistic in this day and age) 19th or early 20th century phase of economic and political "isolationism", and basically just closing the entire country. And they might as well close the country if they tried to do that because if only China and Saudi Arabia pulled their investments out of the US economy the entire thing would crash. The world is far too intertwined now for any of the major players to pull out or "stop buying" from each other and so on.


Say who? China purposly undervalues it's currency to make their products more affordable to overseas customers. Once they prop it up to it's true value, Chinese goods will have to compete from a quality standpoint and that will be their downfall.

The reason we still do business with the likes of Venzuela and Saudi Arabia is obvious; they provide something the world needs and that's oil so we deal with it. On the other hand, we nor the rest of the world really relies on China except for cheap labor. That will move onto somewhere else down the road as the Chinese workers start making demands including higher wages and better working conditions.
 Soul Union
Joined: 6/9/2007
Msg: 136
Stop Buying Made in China
Posted: 1/2/2013 11:09:24 AM
You're boycott is an oversimplification. Lets say I need a toaster, go to any store and find me a toaster not made in China, good luck with that. Walk through a Wal-Mart lately? That's a fun game, trying to find things not made in China, very challenging.

And why the outrage at just China? If you want human rights abuses, look no further than what American is doing has done in the Middle East. Do I see you boycotting us for all the thousands of innocent people killed in Iraq? -- get_mad_baby


I agree with you.

I wouldn't purchase a plastic spoon from China if my life depended upon it. I go out of my way to avoid anything made in China or having anything to do with China. I won't even eat sushi or rice - and that's a fact, believe it or not. Everything I buy is bought with my home economy in mind. Why would I want to support China? They don't support us. I'd rather starve to death. I'd rather choke on fly-blown gruel for breakfast, lunch and supper than support China.

Unfortunately, here in New Zealand, where I live, the cataclysmic flood of made-in-China goods is overwhelming. Our jobs are being dismantled and sent to China at an alarming rate of knots. The trouble is, most people here cannot see what is happening right under their noses. If I were Prime Minister of this country, I wouldn't allow China to trade with us. I wouldn't allow their products anywhere near New Zealand. But our Prime Minister, John Key, the traitor, has other ideas. "We'd better all start learning Chinese," he said only two days into his premiership. I guess he knows something we don't. But we're all to politically correct to stand up for ourselves. Sheep. Easily penned. Easily stamped. "Not made in New Zealand anymore."

Now, where's my gruel?

Peter
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