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 BLONDE_ANGEL_1
Joined: 4/27/2018
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"MadameBouiseau...bahahahaha. Yes, and please check out her posting history. The smoke cloud you leave behind from running away so fast will be big enough to engulf your entire city."
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MadameBoisseau:

"I also know how males get very angry and violent when you challenge them intellectually.

Struggle thinking of a female philosopher?
Look up what was done to Hypatia and how it was her murder that started the dark ages, look up the contributions she made to philosophy and ask yourself why so few hear of her or female philosophers in general.

I suggest the issue here isn't that women don't care about philosophy - rather women are frightened into playing dumb to satiate the egos of insecure males."

Madame nailed it!
 Kissfromarose77
Joined: 4/2/2018
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Posted: 7/10/2018 4:50:43 PM
^^^ Cut the strong, independent woman act. You’ve already outed yourself by supporting traditional patriarchal standards of dating.
 Coma_White
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Posted: 7/10/2018 5:55:10 PM

MadameBouiseau lives in Wisconsin. Coma is in Ontario. Although MadameBouiseau is beautiful with a good job & good head on her shoulders but she seems to be one of those militant feminist types that most men are not going to want to deal with long-term. Judging by Coma's posts, I don't think he'd be down for a woman with those views.


Absolutely. I do not want to date a feminist. Might as well date Justin Trudeau at that point.


Re: "be yourself"...what a crock of shit. Sometimes "being yourself" IS the problem, especially if you can't find a relationship and you claim you want one. Just being your true self doesn't entitle one to being in a functional, healthy relationship either. It's not all about "yourself" but more about other people's perceptions of you...you aren't dating YOURSELF after all. Humans and, especially, interpersonal relationships between humans are much too complex for trite cliches to hold very much value.


That's right. You have to change yourself so you're appealing to others.


Who says? nerds are sexy as hell!


Nerds that have money are sexy as hell.


What's an impossible dream? Finding someone that loves you?
If so, people realize that dream everyday, so it's hardly impossible.
Unless your expectations are to marry a prince and move into a castle,
I don't see what the problem is.


It seems pretty impossible. I've never been in a relationship with someone that was in love with me. I realize that they were never mine, it was only my turn.


I don't understand the fear of approaching people
But then I've never suffered from shyness.
I always consider worst case scenarios, and there really aren't any.


That's because you've never been a man. Approaching the average person is different from approaching beautiful women.


Madame nailed it!


I would seriously need like ten tequila shots to endure being around someone like her.
 browneyesboo
Joined: 1/17/2018
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Posted: 7/10/2018 6:11:37 PM
Good thing I don't know you otherwise you might hurt my feelings. Why do you assume I might only approach average people?
 Coma_White
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Posted: 7/10/2018 6:36:20 PM

Good thing I don't know you otherwise you might hurt my feelings. Why do you assume I might only approach average people?


I've never hurt anyone's feelings. :P
Women don't have to approach men. In general, men are nervous about approaching women they find attractive.
 SS4544Spd
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i feel like that scene in Jerry McGuire--you think we're arguing, but we're really finally talking :)
Posted: 7/10/2018 7:18:05 PM
Mustang:
as I've mentioned, the issue is i'm no longer interested in "average" women in my league. Tried it, found I needed more stimulation to hang a condom on (to be blunt), and also, i'm not looking for a date just to not be alone. I'm used to being in my own company and enjoying it. I want to date someone who amazes me.
I think what you are really Mustang, is an in-the-closet, kinder, gentler MGTOW, really. My thoughts are that once a guy reaches his late 40s, unless he's outstanding in some area (looks, wealth, power, etc) instead of waiting patiently for his required hotties to appear via a lightning strike, it probably a wiser route to just pay money for them.

I know a coupla guys who do exactly that, and their rationale is exactly what you just wrote above. Ie, they don't want the women they can attract, they want the hotties. Methinks it's time to part with some of that retirement dough Mustang. You can't take it to the grave with you. And in your late 40s, if you don't wanna use the "Sosa" pillz, then you have maybe 15 years of banging time left.

I have a friend, in his 50s, who is always dreaming of that lighning strike of a hottie delivered to his lap. Problem is, he's been waiting for 20 years. And he uses that picture in his mind of his "dream girl" as an excuse NOT to take any other action on any other woman that may cross his path. "Well, I didn't like her hair." or "She was a bit too old." My guess it's been 10 years since he's had any action. Yikes! To each his own, I guess.

I think a lot of it has to do with the availability and variety of porn out there. It's easier to wank off to a perfect hottie, vs. a real life, less than perfect woman. After awhile, if any particular woman doesn't measure up to the hotties in the porn flicks, then they don't qualify. And that doesn't even touch (NPI) on the subject of what kind of response a dude's gonna get from his johnson with a real live woman, after 10+ years of wanking into beef jerky to pixels on a screen lol.
 SS4544Spd
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free to be a dateless ash hole :)
Posted: 7/10/2018 7:47:00 PM

MadameBouiseau...bahahahaha. Yes, and please check out her posting history. The smoke cloud you leave behind from running away so fast will be big enough to engulf your entire city.
Funny. Madame's interesting though.. When I first came on here, I gained her attention, in a negative way and it was difficult to read her volleys directed at me...because it was hard to read through a smouldering crater.
 BLONDE_ANGEL_1
Joined: 4/27/2018
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Posted: 7/10/2018 8:20:51 PM

I would seriously need like ten tequila shots to endure being around someone like her.


That's what A.A. is for...
 norwegianguy456
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free to be a dateless ash hole :)
Posted: 7/10/2018 11:24:13 PM

I'm going to have to agree with what the Reverend said prior about people not having the balls to be themselves.

Problem is, most of the time, being themselves Is the problem. It takes balls to step outside your comfort zone which is your natural self that's costing you. "Just be yourself," is a 'crock' when it's universally applied across the board. It's only in a certain context where it's Good. It's where Joey is Consciously Trying too hard to do x/y/z and it comes off Bad.

Much of the time, that's not the problem. It's them Being themselves where their natural self gets into another mode, and they have to Instead Consciously Try to not go with their natural flow. Otherwise, they wouldn't be asking for advice or striking out all the time so much. And I certainly wouldn't say to the Osama Bin Laden of the dating circut, "No, man. Just... just be yourself. Don't change, man." :)

i was making a contrary point based on personal observation to Pig's prior blanket statement that if a dude friendzones a woman, he has automatically deflated any interest she may have had in him, killed his chances, and she will leave him alone and will only approach men who flirt with her.

It is a pretty universal statement (although nothing is 100% for 100% of all very diverse scenarios): If you actually Friendzone a girl -- which is Not merely heeding on flirting with her, but turning her down / wanting to be just-friends -- yes, you killed your chances virtually every time. And yes, she will instead gravitate toward guys who are cute and show her attention (no explicit approaching By her required).

she was also skinny, flat chested, airheaded, and batshit crazy. As an 18 yr old dude heading to college, I didn't see a reason in the world to date her...until she invited herself into my house, made out with me in my bedroom, and I figured, hey, this fell into my lap and on a silver platter and all that. I hadn't flirted with her, had totally friendzoned the woman, and yet she pressed on.

That's not friend-zoning a girl, saying you haven't made moves on her. :) You're talking about heeding flirting. In specific circumstances, that can be a wise thing to do -- for a short period of time. But in general, no, you don't want to go the route in society in general as "I'm going to not flirt with any girl," as you'll come up much much more empty. You were going to be around her a lot over time as she was your neighbor's friend -- you didn't have to make-a-move-now-or-never, so that left open the opportunity that IF she liked you, yes, she may come on to you.

Ironically, i'd figure out later, she dated the guys who ignored her, not the ones who chased after her.

Yes, but if you were at the bar mingling around, it wouldn't have worked. It required her to be like that (in the minority) + her to be a friend of your neighbors so you'd be around her enough.

I can also say years ago I had a lady who was lukewarm about me. She was long distance so most "pursuing" was done over the internet. She expressed interest in me, I expressed it back, and she was happy she got attention and filtered away....and as Pig could predict, when another woman showed interest in me on that other forum, the lady came back and tried to get my attention again. Like my first gf, she was the type of human being who dates to win attention, and when they have it, move on to the next difficult person to win over.

In that case it was observing another gal liking you. Not that you weren't trying to win her back. But yes, one method of a guy getting an ex back, or a gal he had dates with who fizzled out but know where she hangs out at, is to set it up so you show up around her with girls flirting with you. Your stock price will rise. How available are those tools to utilize + the situation to utilize them in be? Not. Very. Often. But yes, it can re-garner interest in the girl-who-Did-like you, to one degree or another.

when one is young, "something on the side" relationships are acceptable, but when we get older...the amount of game playing and "how much interest is too much" isn't probably worth what you get. you want something more than a little sumptin-sumptin and all the vagueness of what's really going down.

Ehhh, I dunno if it's due to age. I think it's due to whether one's in the mode to be In a Relationship. You can make the argument that when older (35+) you'll find more of that, but there also a number of gals who've been divorced and are enjoying the single life, or have kids to juggle + work and aren't Looking for Mr Right Partner. So you can find either-or in their 20s or 40s.
free to be a dateless ash hole :)
Posted: 7/11/2018 3:58:47 AM

Nerds that have money are sexy as hell

I think I know why you are having such a problem with women. Statements like this make it sound like you don't like women too much. Why do you find it impossible to think some women find nerds sexy and it must be money they find sexy. Most women have their own money. Do all nerds have money? Women like men who actually like women, not douche's who think they are all money hungry, meal seeking whores, who will put out like a semi automatic in the back alley 5 min from now.


And I certainly wouldn't say to the Osama Bin Laden of the dating circut, "No, man. Just... just be yourself. Don't change, man." :)

I would!.... I want to know exactly what I'm getting. Saves a whole ton of headaches in the long run. You can't hide your authentic self forever, It's going to come out. Humans are creatures of habit. You can yell and scream at someone all day and tell them they need to change, until they recognize their attitude, or whatever, is causing them problems, they won't change. Change needs to come from within, that's the only way you will be your authentic self. Advertising yourself as A+++ when you are just B, is just setting you and everyone you get involved with up for disappointment.
 MachIMustangII
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Posted: 7/11/2018 4:29:00 AM
"What's an impossible dream? Finding someone who loves you? If so, people realize that dream everyday, so it's hardly impossible."

>>>ah, but how long in their life did it take? :) We want to be loved even when we're young and don't really even know what it means to be loved. Does it mean someone buys us a lot of stuff? that's a great way to find the guy trying to buy a victim. We have to love ourselves first, to know what it is other people love...but we still want to date during that period. But one day, we find our soulmate, and things go well and we get bored eventually, or things do not go well and we need to find love again. But it may be easier to find someone looking for sex.

"I don't understand the fear of approaching people."

>>>kinda like buying a house--you're going to invest a lot, and hope you don't get screwed out of happiness with a money pit. If one lives in a small social circle, there's only so many "soulmates" to ask out, so if you screw up your chances...not many other soulmates left to ask out.

"But then I've never suffered from shyness. I always consider worst case scenarios, and there really aren't any."

>>if you haven't suffered shyness, you haven't considered their worst case scenarios :)

"I think what you are really Mustang, is an in-the-closet, kinder, gentler MGTOW, really."

>>>I could be getting there :) Only child, moved out at age 18, never had a roommate...pretty used to being on my own. Chased plenty when young, learned where i am on the league ladder. someone's gotta be amazing to get me to ask them out, and when i do, they are married for the obvious reason. But, yeah, not looking to merely get my rocks off, i can do that myself like any other guy can--someone's gotta wow me. I've tried dating people where i felt during the date, "I could be spending this time getting something done at home" or "I could do this myself, have as much fun, and pay half as much".

(Got reminded of a former coworker, a recovering addict, had a daughter...and looked physically beautiful. Guys who would normally stay away from a train wreck like her, were inspired to spend hundreds of dollars paying off her debts and trying to save her...b/c with her beautiful eyes and 20 something year old figure, they felt passion. Granted, they were trying to buy their way into her bed, but they wouldn't have been so charitable if she had an average figure or her eyes hadn't been so beautiful--they would have seen a recovering addict who bummed money off friends and family and never really got it together and was going nowhere in life. There is something to be said for feeling a spark, a passion, feeling alive around someone).

"If you actually Friendzone a girl -- which is Not merely heeding on flirting with her, but turning her down / wanting to be just-friends"

>>>like i said, i ignored her advances, which i'll claim is friendzoning. I haven't heard of "heeding flirting", and couldn't find it in google, either. maybe that is something i'll learn from debating you guys. To me, friendzoning is as much body language as coming out and shooting someone down, b/c flirting is as much body language and action as it is actual words.

"Yes, but if you were at the bar mingling around, (she would stop chasing the guy who ignored her, to chase the other ones)"

>>>unless you're the hottest guy there :) I've personally watched it happen, often enough to know something's up. Those ladies probably were drunk and had target fixation--"he's the hottest guy, he raises my status, i'm getting his attention, dammit". Maybe they had seen him before there, and weren't going to let him go this time. Perhaps they were the type who spotted a stranger and concocted an amazing backstory about him before even meeting.

Again, not saying its a tactic to go use, saying that what works or doesn't work on/for the average guy, can work for the one who is attractive and gets attention naturally. Advice for one, may not fit the others. sometimes we get a date b/c things outside our control, fell into place and worked our way--pure dumbass luck.
 BLONDE_ANGEL_1
Joined: 4/27/2018
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Posted: 7/11/2018 4:32:15 AM

You can't hide your authentic self forever, It's going to come out. Humans are creatures of habit. You can yell and scream at someone all day and tell them they need to change, until they recognize their attitude, or whatever, is causing them problems, they won't change. Change needs to come from within, that's the only way you will be your authentic self. Advertising yourself as A+++ when you are just B, is just setting you and everyone you get involved with up for disappointment.


I agree, I wonder how many of the men who come across as misogynistic are really latent homosexuals? By repressing their true sexuality, they just get increasingly frustrated & take it out n women...

If a man (or woman) is gay, they should own it.

And all that false advertising, so easy to do in OLD, which is why I think IRL is way better.

Altho it is easier for lazy people to play fidget spinner online than to actually make an effort & go out & be a social creature, for at least a little bit.
 browneyesboo
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Posted: 7/11/2018 6:08:37 AM

>>if you haven't suffered shyness, you haven't considered their worst case scenarios :)


Like shyness is a worst case scenario?
We all have our fears and short comings...shyness just isn't one of mine.
Doesn't mean I don't have or haven't struggled with others.

You remind me of those posters people put up, with the little tags you an rip off with phone numbers
or other pertinent info. Except your tags are full of excuses. And yeah, I'm with a few others here...I'm
not sure your outlook on women is all that noble.
free to be a dateless ash hole :)
Posted: 7/11/2018 6:18:11 AM

I wonder how many of the men who come across as misogynistic are really latent homosexuals

Anything is possible. I think these guys can't keep their mysogynistic tendencies hid for long. When they start to emerge, women run for the hills. When women don't stick around, These men, Not ever being able to own their own shiat, start sputtering this nonsense about women wanting their money, their food, or whatever lame crap they can conjure. Always playing the victim, when they are nothing but the victim of their own poor choices.
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Posted: 7/11/2018 6:30:55 AM

agree, I wonder how many of the men who come across as misogynistic are really latent homosexuals?


I would say it's probably equal to the number of those who actually believe you're happily married.
 Kissfromarose77
Joined: 4/2/2018
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Posted: 7/11/2018 8:11:33 AM

Anything is possible. I think these guys can't keep their mysogynistic tendencies hid for long. When they start to emerge, women run for the hills. When women don't stick around, These men, Not ever being able to own their own shiat, start sputtering this nonsense about women wanting their money, their food, or whatever lame crap they can conjure. Always playing the victim, when they are nothing but the victim of their own poor choices.


And there are women who sputter nonsense about all men just wanting sex yet they don’t get branded as misandrists.
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Posted: 7/11/2018 8:40:56 AM

Always playing the victim, when they are nothing but the victim of their own poor choices.

Most people are victims of their own choices, decisions, actions, thoughts.
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 7/11/2018 9:26:45 AM
Norwegian:
Problem is, most of the time, being themselves Is the problem. It takes balls to step outside your comfort zone which is your natural self that's costing you. "Just be yourself," is a 'crock' when it's universally applied across the board. It's only in a certain context where it's Good.
I agree. If someone is nervous and shy, and can't talk to people, then "being himself" will be sitting alone, being nervous, while everyone else converses and has fun around them. In that case "being himself" is bad.

A lot of this is just plain shyness. Lack of reasons tp get yourself out there, get off the couch, away from the computer. I have a coupla neighbors who I've known, and lived close to for years...and every time I see em out, walking the dog or something it's like I'm meeting them for the first time. Ugh!!! Who wants to go on a date with someone like that?!?! People who have personalities like that WILL have problems dating and meeting people, and unless you want to improve that you'll continue to have difficulties. Especially with men...there are far too many other men out there that can easily carry a convo, so all things equal, you'll get passed over in favor of them almost every time.

Sometimes the solution isn't direct. It takes a slow build of confidence. The minor leagues if you will. If you're shy DON'T just go to a bar and try to talk to hot women. That's one of the most unforgiving and cold environments, the equivalent of jumping off into the deep end. Gotta start in the minors. Chat up that fat cashier at the store, or the nerdy guy that helps you at the library, or the musclehead that checks your gym pass. Or the old lady sitting beside you in the waiting room. Join clubs. Join a public speaking class. The thing about getting up in front of a group to speak is it's similar to approachign cold turkey that woman you like.....in both cases, when you get there, you'd d*mn better have something funny or interesting to say.

The net net is you gotta build a habit of talking to people without the stakes being so high. Cuz the core motive should be ....you want to talk to women cuz you like to talk and feel you have something interesting or funny to say, NOT cuz you want their number.
 Coma_White
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Posted: 7/11/2018 10:13:59 AM

think I know why you are having such a problem with women. Statements like this make it sound like you don't like women too much. Why do you find it impossible to think some women find nerds sexy and it must be money they find sexy. Most women have their own money. Do all nerds have money? Women like men who actually like women, not douche's who think they are all money hungry, meal seeking whores, who will put out like a semi automatic in the back alley 5 min from now.


Then you don't know me very well. I like women a lot and I'm always respectful toward women. I've never really had a good experience with women in the sense that none of the women I was in relationships with acted like they were in love with me acted loyal. Basically, they weren't really my partner, it was just my turn. In general, nerds weren't considered sexy until they started being associated with the nerdy guys that built companies like Facebook, and Google or became successful investing in Bitcoin. There are always exceptions to the rule, but rules aren't based on exceptions.
 NewYorker58
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Posted: 7/11/2018 10:40:54 AM
Coma, I don't think you're a bad guy. Your thinking doesn't have to match mine perfectly. My first husband was a poor nerdy grad student that I found to be very sexy. He was a researcher, looking for a cure for muscular dystrophy. Seeing him in his element at the electron microscope was sexy to me. I was proud of the work he did and his accomplishments.
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Posted: 7/11/2018 11:14:02 AM

Coma, I don't think you're a bad guy. Your thinking doesn't have to match mine perfectly. My first husband was a poor nerdy grad student that I found to be very sexy. He was a researcher, looking for a cure for muscular dystrophy. Seeing him in his element at the electron microscope was sexy to me. I was proud of the work he did and his accomplishments.


That's what I mean. In general, men want the Scarlett Johansson type and women want the Brad Pitt type. There are always exceptions, it's just less common. What turns me off dating is what I see on social media. I see a lot of women putting men down for not having money or not being tall or not having a nice body while they themselves aren't what men are looking for.
 MachIMustangII
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Posted: 7/11/2018 11:30:06 AM
" If someone is nervous and shy, and can't talk to people, then "being himself" will be sitting alone, being nervous, while everyone else converses and has fun around them. In that case "being himself" is bad...Ugh!!! Who wants to go on a date with someone like that?!?! People who have personalities like that WILL have problems dating and meeting people, and unless you want to improve that you'll continue to have difficulties. Especially with men...there are far too many other men out there that can easily carry a convo, so all things equal, you'll get passed over in favor of them almost every time."

>>some of us just ain't gonna dilute the gene pool :) oh no, I just made an excuse! I just had a repairman repair my washing machine in record time. It was due to him having something I don't--a ton of experience with this brand of washing machine. It was better to let him do what he does best, than try to get some advice that wouldn't fit my skill level. But I do witness people who go, "oh no, its easy, I do it all the time! Whatcha do is..." well, it is easy for you, b/c you do it the time :)

If you're shy DON'T just go to a bar and try to talk to hot women. That's one of the most unforgiving and cold environments, the equivalent of jumping off into the deep end. Gotta start in the minors....The net net is you gotta build a habit of talking to people without the stakes being so high. Cuz the core motive should be ....you want to talk to women cuz you like to talk and feel you have something interesting or funny to say, NOT cuz you want their number."

>>>yes, but eventually you have to ask for that number...and now the stakes are high. So I agree, we have to take baby steps, but eventually the training wheels come off the bike. Anyone remember that long ago? The first time you do, you're wobbly. You're not smooth the first time. So, practice on the easy stuff, but eventually you only learn...the easy stuff. Then you have no choice, you have to put your head on the block.

"Then you don't know me very well. I like women a lot and I'm always respectful toward women."

>>Alas, everyone comes here with their biases, and tries to fit the rest of us into them. We've all seen it :) its why I ask so many questions, so I can get to know strangers here better.

"none of the women I was in relationships with acted like they were in love with me...it was just my turn."

>>>in my experience, when I dated out of my league, the ladies didn't have a passion that makes anyone go the extra mile. They were settling. Not that they were bad people, they just didn't burn with that passion that clouds rationale thinking. they didn't invest b/c they weighed the pros and cons.

" In general, men want the Scarlett Johansson type and women want the Brad Pitt type. There are always exceptions, it's just less common. What turns me off dating is what I see on social media. I see a lot of women putting men down for not having money or not being tall or not having a nice body while they themselves aren't what men are looking for."

>>interesting. when I see someone putting men down who isn't what men are looking for, she tends not to be what i'm looking for, either :) I once knew a woman who was like that, and she ended up snagging two good looking bfs. They didn't treat her well, but hey, if she wanted to be superficial, then she got what she wanted, and good for her. sometimes people get what they want, but not what they need...and i'm not their father, so I can't help 'em out.
 NewYorker58
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Posted: 7/11/2018 11:35:11 AM
Yeah, there's a lot of that going around with nice people not being valued. For myself being 60, I do want someone with a few dollars and on the same page when it comes to traveling. I want someone that can afford to travel with me, but I don't place less of a value on someone with less money, but they're not for me.

It helps to have to 2 healthy incomes to enjoy things in life that have a price attached to them. I very much enjoy having a home over renting for a multitude of reasons like convenience, freedom, safety and privacy, while having it as an investment. It's not really fun to not buy a delicious c0ckail instead of beer or always having to choose the least expensive thing on a menu.
 Coma_White
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Posted: 7/11/2018 11:47:54 AM

Yeah, there's a lot of that going around with nice people not being valued. For myself being 60, I do want someone with a few dollars and on the same page when it comes to traveling. I want someone that can afford to travel with me, but I don't place less of a value on someone with less money, but they're not for me.

It helps to have to 2 healthy incomes to enjoy things in life that have a price attached to them. I very much enjoy having a home over renting for a multitude of reasons like convenience, freedom, safety and privacy, while having it as an investment. It's not really fun to not buy a delicious c0ckail instead of beer or always having to choose the least expensive thing on a menu.


I also want to travel and do things. That's why I'm not looking to have kids. I met someone that works in a daycare so I figured she probably doesn't want to have kids at this point since she works with them all day. The last time we hung out, she told me she wants kids but won't be too disappointed if she doesn't have them. To me, all I hear is that the clock is ticking and she really wants kids. I'm not part of the rich class, so I would rather spend the money do I make on doing fun things together like taking a trip or a cruise. I also have a lot of interests like playing concerts, doing Karate, traveling for Karate tournaments, working out, doing Yoga, recording music, buying and selling antiques, etc and having kids would reduce the time and money I have for those things.
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Posted: 7/11/2018 11:48:38 AM

Why do you find it impossible to think some women find nerds sexy and it must be money they find sexy.


Because there were none of the class nerds among the homecoming kings and homecoming courts in high school?

You know, where people start developing their dating habits, and which most never outgrow.


Most women have their own money.


Then why does that other poster go on and on in other threads about how 70 % of the oppressed and poorest people in the world are women?
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