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 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 25
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You should be grateful that he's still dating you. Most guys wouldn't put up with that crap.
 Ideoform
Joined: 9/23/2007
Msg: 26
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Posted: 3/31/2008 3:11:47 PM
In another post, you have said:

"ALL strippers, hookers, and the like can be shot and pissed on then burned in hell! There's no need for them, society is good without them, they cause no good to families and they are just a big bore and it's ridiculous how some men pertray women as nothing but sex objects. But if there were no women acting like this, then all will be good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

All these exlamation marks indicate that you are being "triggered" by this aspect of life. This means that it is an exaggeration. Most women can handle the fact that strippers exist in this world.

You are indicating that you don't trust YOURSELF enough to be able to attract and keep a man without going to extreme measures to "keep him faithful."

>>>But a man isn't being faithful if you are forcing him to be. <<<

If you take away all his choice in the matter, then that isn't him being faithful to you--that just means you have given him no opportunity to be unfaithful.

You cannot stop someone from cheating by preventing them from contacting women altogether, or getting rid of all flirting, or strippers, or hookers.

Even if somehow you were able to do these things, you can never be absolutely sure that he isn't cheating unless you were to put a chastity belt on him. And, of course, that would be to totally humiliate him.

And that is what you are doing now, verbally. You are putting a verbal chastity belt on him. It will humiliate him every time you do it--even if you do it by "mistake."

The worst thing anyone can experience with someone they care about is to be accused of something they did not do.

Every single moment he WAS faithful to you, and you implied he wasn't, or accused him, or checked on him, is insulting his faithfulness to you. So you are essentially punishing him emotionally for any goodness that he happens to do.

This means there is absolutely no benefit for any man to being faithful with you.

No man will ever like having this done to him unless he is looking for a dominatrix.

There is nothing wrong with setting boundaries and being with someone who respects you. There is EVERYthing wrong with over-reacting to the things that bother you. You will draw to you the very experiences that you are so afraid of.

You sound like you or someone you are very close to (perhaps a parent) has been cheated on before. If you are hyper-vigilant with every new man in your life about this, then you are telling him that you EXPECT the past to be repeated, and he has to then "pay" for the sins of another, by being put into a verbal jail cell with you. Having been assumed to be "guilty" just because he is a man.

Doing this makes your relationships about fear, not love.

Try to shift the balance to being more about the LOVE that you DO have, and not about your fears and insecurities.

Try to see that you can be worthy of a person who doesn't cheat on you---EVEN if you don't constantly check on him, and worry about his faithfulness. Even without "testing" his loyalty. Nobody likes being put through "tests." You will make every guy cringe if you try to test them.

Love isn't all about faithfulness anyway, it is simply about LOVE, and acceptance and being comfortable together. Try to focus on that, or you will slowly tighten your grip on each and every relationship you have with a man until he suffocates.

If any subsequent man is with you, and you have not shown any signs of jealousy, or "checking" behavior with him, and he then shows an obvious sign that he is cheating--by obvious, I mean you catch him actually cheating--not by implication (like touching, looking, ect.), then you have a right to protect your boundaries by leaving him. But certainly don't punish him by staying with him and making his life miserable! Because if he is miserable, then you are miserable, and you will have no love in your life.
 Wishes Granted
Joined: 3/6/2008
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Posted: 3/31/2008 3:13:49 PM
Op: Although tempted to, I won't e- slap you verbally regarding your opening post. I've read your profile, and I humbly suggest that you go to Alonon, or Adult Children of Alcoholics... I think it will help you to see life with a more healthy view.

Your attitude [I think] comes from your childhood and upbringing. Until you look within, you will always feel that most folks in your life aren't giving you what you want or need ... cause you'll always need something more.

Google "Adult Children of Alcoholics", find a chapter near you and go... It may help you in the future and, you really have nothing to lose by going except perhaps your sub-concious sense of inflated intitlement. At the very least.. the book
"Co-Dependant No More" will shed some light on your insecurities and your angst filled relationships.

Good luck.
 ErehwonEnoon
Joined: 2/13/2008
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Posted: 3/31/2008 9:15:09 PM
People calm down!!! This is a person who asked for honest feedback and I am seeing a lot of criticism instead. When I was her age, I did a lot of really [u]stupid [/u] things with my relationships and I didn't have the courage to ask for help.

Dear Melissa
I hope that the things that I say will not offend you in any way. I believe in your message that you have actually raised three issues. The poking thing is actually the easiest thing to dismiss. You are correct. It is entirely inappropriate for him to be "poking" anyone (man or woman) in the workplace. One of these days, someone will poke him with a sexual harassment suit and snap it off at the hilt.

The second thing has to do with forgiving yourself. I have reached a wise old age so I only screw up on days with a "Y" in them. There are very few people who don't make mistakes and you probably don't want to be remembered as "Saint Melissa". You made a mistake. Do you think you will do it again? When you were a child, you probably made mistakes on spelling tests. Do you punish yourself for spelling kat?
You learned how to do it right and carried on. Same thing with your behavior. You learn how to do it right and carry on.

The last thing - should you continue on in your relationship? When I was your age, sex, love and pain were three powerful narcotics. I made a lot of bad decisions while under their influence. It is a choice that you and your partner must discuss. On my profile, I described a concept called the "Prisoner's Dilemma". Your relationship is a really good example of how relationships break down because of it. The two of you started off on equal footing treating each other fairly etc. You did something. While it was going on, I imagine you "won" while your boyfriend was hurt. Now he will hurt you no matter how you act. In time the two of you will just keep hurting each other.

Based on this model of behavior, you need to either quit (move on) or experience some event that will reset your relationship back to the point where you are nice to each other again. You need to seriously discuss this with your boyfriend. Perhaps you could get a friend to act as a mediator. There are a number of women on this thread that in other areas have given really good advice. I am sure that once they have stopped their ranting they could give you better advice. I have come to value their opinions and I am sure that they would be a better help when they calmed down.
 Gideon_70
Joined: 9/9/2005
Msg: 29
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Posted: 3/31/2008 9:40:53 PM
Hello Melissa

I am going to say this as nicely as I can as soon as I post this. This is copied from an abuse site.

Posted from http://www.drirene.com/cyclesof.htm

The Tension-Building Stage: The angry person becomes increasingly controlling during this period, which may take days, weeks, or even years to evolve and progress. Limits are imposed on the partner. For example, the abuser may decide what clothes look "right" on the partner, or what image is portrayed. They may try to define whom the partner may or may not speak with and about what, etc. The control is insidious and progressive. As tension and control increase, the partner attempts to accommodate the abuser in order to keep peace, to please the abuser, or for some similar reason. Despite actions the partner takes, the abuser becomes increasingly remote, contemptuous, critical, preoccupied, or otherwise on edge. The tension and control increase until culminating in the abuse stage.

The Abuse Stage: A major verbal, emotional or physically abusive incident occurs that was instigated by the abuser. A trivial event is often used to trigger the main event. The abuser actively looks for excuses to blow up over, and may set their partner up in a no-win situation. One angry man found reason to verbally abuse his girlfriend and destroy her property because he did not like the size of the pot she was boiling eggs in. Needless to say, the pot had nothing to do with anything. This opportunist had simply received a nod from a former lover, decided to change girlfriends, and wanted an out. The victim is often left feeling hurt - and confused.

The Remorse Stage: Once the blows are delivered, the abuser is calmed. Having blown off steam and regaining composure, the abusive person is full of apologies and promises never to do "it" again - if the partner distances. The more distanced the victim, the more intensely the abuser pursues...and pursues...and pursues. The abuser can be so charming and complimentary, the codependent victim's heart breaks. There is a compelling need to believe their abuser's promises and pleas and take them back. The more codependent and insecure the partner, the more vulnerable they are to the partner's attentive remorse. Abusers during this phase are wonderful! A "normal" person is unlikely to be so compelling and persistent in winning over their partner's love - because they have no reason to be.

As the relationship progresses, the abuse cycle typically escalates in intensity and in the temporal contiguity of its negative aspects. The abuse lasts longer and becomes more pronounced, while the loving remorse dwindles.

The abuser loves a good challenge. The goal is to win the victim back, at any price. At a distance, the partner is perceived as emotionally "safe." The harder the abuser has to work to win back his or her victim, the more the victim is appreciated. Once the relationship resumes, the abuser's mistrust prompts their poor recall of any tender feelings. Their fear inevitably powers the resumption of the abuse cycle.



Now. I married a lady that was the "perfect girl." She made sure that she always had her "dating face" on and we would have a wonderful time. She was sweet, demure, easy to talk to, easy to like... and then we got married.

I was married to her for seven years. Some may say I had none, others might say I was stupid. But in reality, I was determined that I could make the relationship work and that tomorrow, always tomorrow, she would calm down and start acting normal. There were days where she would, and those were nice, sweet and wonderful. We had some really great times. We also had some really nasty times.

Do you know what it is like to go to work wearing a turtleneck because your wife of five years tried to choke you to death the night before? That is before she called the ambulance and police. She knew that she had to cover her tracks so she would call them, break down in to sobs and claim that I had beat her. Most of the time it did not work as the police were smart enough and had seen it enough to not believe her. Once it did.

I came home, she was sitting in front of a space heater with a blanket around her feet. It was smoking. I pulled the plug on the heater and she screamed and came after me. She nearly killed me. The neighbors called the police. They came, saw the fight and decided that "I" was going to go to jail. (I wonder if they didn't do it on purpose to wake me up) The judge heard my story the next morning and he told me to get out while I was alive.

I tried to divorce her. She accused me of every vile thing she could think of because she had lost control... and losing control was just TOO much for her. She HAD to have revenge, the nastier the better. It almost cost me my freedom. But the judge wasn't buying it. He dismissed the charges, gave me split custody of the kids and I was going to live happily ever after... right?

Not on your life.
She immediately started to try to find someone that would kill me. I have to say it was God helping me, because the person she tried to hire was a friend of mine that I had not seen in years. He played it off and then came to tell me. After some sleepless nights and a full blown investigation by the state police, I was told that she was serious, it was going to be hard to catch her, and I should strongly consider relocating and not telling her where I was going.

I tried to get the kids but the laws in that state strongly favored the female. I went broke and was unable to keep fighting. After the death threats and the warnings I ended up moving. I didn't get to see my kids for a long time because as soon as I moved, she left as well. It took years to find them again.

I remember walking down the street when we were first dating. I saw a lady on the side of the street that was nice looking. She slapped me for looking and really loudly said "What're you looking at?" It embarrassed me at the time. Now, I would know how to deal with it, but I was a wet behind the ears 18 year old and had no idea how to deal with someone that was acting so psychotic.

The man (child) you are abusing needs help to recover from you. He also needs a restraining order. I truly pray that you do not have kids with him. He does not deserve to be treated like you are treating him.

I have my guess that you were either seriously abused, or were spoiled rotten and given everything you screamed for. It could be anything else... but in the case of my ex it was sexual abuse - bad, violent abuse. She could not form relationships at all, and honestly thought that control was love. I still feel sorry for her... from a distance. The last I heard she had married a man who is in prison - and has a really pretty daughter that kills animals for the fun and attention of it.

Michelle.

Please get some help.
No one deserves to be treated like you are treating him. He has done nothing wrong, and you are drawing him into your possessive abusive life. If he really cares about you, he will give you enough to let you seriously damage him because he does not know what you are capable of. He has his eyes closed because he cares, and it is sad that you intend to use that to destroy him.

You are an abuser. You need help. It is sad that you will have to do something to phycically hurt him before the police can get involved... but whenthey do I seriouly pray that htey force HIM into councelling to help him heal from the abuse and damage you are doing to him.

You are an abuser. You hurt people to please yourself.
 TheLimey
Joined: 2/24/2008
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Posted: 4/1/2008 7:59:42 AM
Is it just me, or does anyone else think the OP & PerfectGentlemenNo1 would make a great couple?
 ~blue eyes~
Joined: 11/16/2006
Msg: 33
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Posted: 4/1/2008 9:17:34 AM
^^^^^^ lol ^^^^^

"People calm down!!! This is a person who asked for honest feedback and I am seeing a lot of criticism instead. When I was her age, I did a lot of really [u]stupid [/u] things with my relationships and I didn't have the courage to ask for help. "

She has asked for advise before and argued with all of it, take a look at her history.
Yes she needs help and everyone (ok not everyone but a lot of people) told her she needed to seek professional help, because she wasn't going to find what she needed here. She believes that she is right and that she is the absolute final word on it. Her way or no way. Yes she's young but I have known plenty of young people that had it rough growing up, and acted nothing even close to the way the OP acts. You make your own decisions and choices in life, having a screwed up childhood is not an excuse.

"Your relationship is a really good example of how relationships break down because of it. The two of you started off on equal footing treating each other fairly etc."

No it didn't he just did and acted like she told him to and now he has decided that he can't do it anymore. Hell he lost some friends because of her. Do you know what they did to piss her off? They were guys.

vvvvvvv I noticed it too and had a little giggle over it. lol
 WesternRose
Joined: 1/14/2008
Msg: 34
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Posted: 4/1/2008 9:38:57 AM
IS IT JUST ME OR HAS ANYONE ELSE NOTICED THAT FROM POST #86 ONWARD FOR SOME TIME, THAT MOST OF THE TITLES ON THESE POST READ:

PORK ME & DIE.................

Just wasn't sure if it was just my computer or my brain or my old lady eyesight again!
 YingKissesYang
Joined: 5/12/2005
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Posted: 4/1/2008 10:04:49 AM
I noticed that, too. It's not just you.
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Well then who is it?

Don't forget the two posts that said we should be kinder and gentler to the OP, is there a cool chance in Heell they are valid?
 Gideon_70
Joined: 9/9/2005
Msg: 36
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Posted: 4/1/2008 1:21:41 PM
Jealousy is the fear of being replaced. It is a good emotion that will, if properly used and controlled, save your marraige time and time again. If the wife fears that the husband is straying then she can help him with her jealousy and open communication.

On the other hand. Envy and selfishness are not good emotions.

Envy means that you wnat to swollow - control - dominate the other one. It means that every time they have soething that you want, you take it or make it difficult for them to enjoy it.

Selfishness is simply that. You want - and what you want is far more important than what the other wants. I'll write more later, but this did catch my eye.
 that sam i am
Joined: 10/27/2006
Msg: 39
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Posted: 4/2/2008 11:55:34 AM
I'll have to vote with Ruckus on this one, I would have dumped you AGES ago. Poking with a finger is fun and playful. You'd have probably died if I went dancing. I go blues dancing every week or so (if I can).
something like this http://youtube.com/watch?v=tC0SWyKEqnw
 that sam i am
Joined: 10/27/2006
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Posted: 4/2/2008 11:56:40 AM
dollars to donuts that the op will delete her profile and run away crying.
 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
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Posted: 4/2/2008 12:39:10 PM
Well here ya go, naughtical!!!


Hmmm, a 7-pack....wonder how I could market that??!!


~ds~
 Adam 4 Coffee
Joined: 5/31/2007
Msg: 42
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Posted: 4/2/2008 12:56:12 PM
Pokey Pokey Pokey! With my banana! Hey its jsut harmless joking around. Its not like he's making out with these women on his lunch break or getting BJ/HJ with them his car. (Those were the days)

You sound like a control freak. Let the children play. Hell at my college anime club we poked eachother, tickled eachother and hugged. and yes it was both males and females. Sometime a peck on the cheek was a way to say hello to a close friend of the opposite sex. nothing to get Jealous of. When I go to a bar or to a friend's house I kiss women ont he cheek who I am familiar with. and Will even give a peck ont he cheek toa girlfriend's friend, sister, mom, aunt. And its not big deal.

You are a control freak jsut face the facts. And you need to trust your byofriend. he should leave you for making him give up friends jsut to make you happy. You have to learn to let go and trust or you will enve rbe happy or have a sucessful marriage int eh future.
 ~blue eyes~
Joined: 11/16/2006
Msg: 43
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Posted: 4/2/2008 1:15:29 PM
"Melissa, I would say you shouldn't be in a relationship until you have looked at yourself, why you have jealousy issues, and how they came about in your life. Whether from childhood or other areas. How about getting someone who knows about this to help you? Once you understand why you have these issues then you can set about dealing with them, but this has to be done alone without having a partner."

Unfortunately while thats good advise its wasted on the OP. Some people here have already given her this advise in a previous post and all she did is argue with it.
 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
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Posted: 4/2/2008 2:39:52 PM
^^^"Pokers are INFANTILE in my eyes, that is the true issue here."

You're serious, aren't you....NAAHHHH.


~ds~
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
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Posted: 4/3/2008 5:41:35 AM
Notice the OP hasn't been back. I've seen this sort of thing before on advice forums; no amount of reason or logic will work. The OP has been quoted in another thread saying that various types of medical help have not changed her. If professionals can't fix her issues, I highly doubt POFers can.

A hallmark of different personality disorders is the fact that the person with the disorder resists all advice or help. It could be this person is suffering that sort of issue, in which case people can type their fingers off and it won't make a whit of difference.

If she comes back at all, I'll betcha billion bucks that it will be to go on about more grievances about the BF and how wronged she has been and that there will be no acknowledgment of any of the advice offered here.
 Mirage111
Joined: 3/8/2008
Msg: 47
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Posted: 4/4/2008 4:54:50 PM
sounds like you both need counselling and there is now a power struggle. Let me tell you there are never any winners when this type of thing occurs. You only make each miserable.

Your comment:So now I'm confused. Wheather I should move on. I still love him, but not how he treats me anymore.

Did you ever have a mutally trusting and respectful relationship? Is that possible from the start you do not trust yourself and have issues...

all to often people run to get involved in the next great relationship assuming it will make them happy and carry their garbage into it.

Fix yourself first...then the right one will enter your life

Good Luck
 WesternRose
Joined: 1/14/2008
Msg: 48
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Posted: 4/4/2008 4:59:34 PM
To Poke or Not To Poke....that is the question.

I am a Poker...and I like it that way..... I am not an unemotional fearful of human touch Eunach of a woman. I have feelings and emotions and touch is important to me.

I have no fear of PDA...Public Displays of Affection either.
so...who wants a Good Poke?..
 Mirage111
Joined: 3/8/2008
Msg: 49
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Posted: 4/4/2008 5:04:50 PM
perhaps there should be poke therapy?
 davidsauvignon
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Posted: 4/4/2008 5:05:53 PM
Msg #166: "Are you really saying that this can not be misconstrued as being flirtatious??"

It could be construed....or it could be miscontrued. Depends on who's doing the construing. If he pokes a girl at work, he knows what he meant by it (we don't) and she knows what he meant by it (we still don't). We can make assumptions...OP can make assumptions (and has) and demand it stop regardless the intent. We can make further assumptions that she is controlling by demanding such. In, and of itself, I wouldn't presume her to be controlling on that one facet....but after viewing the entire picture, IMO it's fairly obvious...at least to me based on the OPost.


~ds~
 El_Mariachi
Joined: 4/21/2007
Msg: 51
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Posted: 4/4/2008 9:52:10 PM

He says there's nothing wrong with poking, she's just a friend at work. BUT, I told him to stop, and he refuses cause he thinks I should get over myself and not to worry.


He's right too. Your.. yes YOUR insecurities aren't his problem and he's probably sick to death of dealing with them.

On the rocks is probably the prefect way to describe your relationship. But it could be a total understatement, too.


I told him to get out a "long" time ago, but he still clunged on like a koala bear.


Don't kid a kidder. He's not clinging.. YOU are.


But it still doesn't mean he has to disrespect me and act like an ***hole towards me neither.


Too true

end sarcasm..

Why not? It apparently gives you the right to do that to him.
 night501
Joined: 3/2/2005
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Posted: 4/5/2008 11:49:23 PM
aw man im kind of disappointed.
the OP hasnt written in 3 or 4 pages. i was getting a kick out of it.
she thought that her man was in the wrong but she was kinda messed up. i found it kinda funny.
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