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Joined: 4/1/2008
Msg: 76
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they like to point the finger and say well "I'm not as bad as him"

You need people like me so you can point your fuc*** fingers and say, "That's the bad guy."

Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 77
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Posted: 4/23/2008 8:17:43 PM

Once again it comes back to the real issue at hand,. not those IN NEED but those who use the system are the offenders.

Odd. The OP isn't about that, nor is the thread topic. Isn't this a hijack?
Joined: 6/10/2007
Msg: 78
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Posted: 4/23/2008 8:32:18 PM
Merry;ass it is definitely ON topic...... the Tyeee was pointing out the people he has encountered or knows of ON welfare who seems to have "extra" disposable income or use it in what he thought ( AND he IS entitled to his opinion) were frivilous or unneccessary items.... he may not have used the word offenders but they DO offend many of us .. ergo,.... OFFEND. perhaps you got lost on the word "use",... as in ABUSE not use as in NEED.
Joined: 12/29/2007
Msg: 79
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Posted: 4/23/2008 8:38:14 PM
Gon Fishin, I realize this is off topic.
The gun you are pointing is covering up your face and we can't see you. Or maybe it's a bottle. But it looks like a gun - kinda threatening I think.
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 80
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Posted: 4/23/2008 8:45:07 PM
Darwin - perhaps - only got part of it right - survival of the fittest, natural selection and adapting to the environment and so on. But, guess what, Walts, researchers have identified a gene for altruism. If you look at the state of the planet- when it comes right down to it - our survival as a species depends on this gene.

Gon Fishin - That looks like a gun to me, too.
 Runs With Wolves
Joined: 1/19/2006
Msg: 81
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Posted: 4/23/2008 9:26:32 PM
'Ruthlessness gene' discovered; Dictatorial behaviour may be partly genetic, study suggests.

Selfish dictators may owe their behaviour partly to their genes, according to a study that claims to have found a genetic link to ruthlessness. The study might help to explain the money-grabbing tendencies of those with a Machiavellian streak — from national dictators down to 'little Hitlers' found in workplaces the world over.

Related News Links:
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Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 82
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Posted: 4/23/2008 9:57:13 PM
^ So to all of you with out empathy for the homeless, did you hit your head at some point? And - listen - I am really sorry if you did. I have tremendous empathy for people in pain, since I have broken both my legs and actually before that I did, too. I don't really need a reason for having empathy. It is just there.
 Mountain Lion 1
Joined: 10/25/2006
Msg: 83
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Posted: 4/23/2008 10:53:49 PM
X ^^^^:applause: 20/20 vision:laugh:
alturism would you care to define, is it as in:
1. Unselfish concern for the welfare of others; selflessness.
2. Zoology Instinctive behavior that is detrimental to the individual but favors the survival or spread of that individual's genes, as by benefiting its relatives.

Again,,,,,,,ever hear of Darwin???? That's my "utopian" society,,,,and let's just say,,,there will LOTS of room.

Sorry to disappoint Walts ,
though I feel as you do, Darwins theory may well be working against you as “the others” outnumber and social structure does not allow for culling naturally or otherwise and in the end pushing those into oblivion who put in an honest days work for their keeps....

Btw, great topic Tyee.

It shows to the observant reader the pentryofassumptions that exist mixing fact, fiction emotion and belief into a most entertaining forum and I don’t mean to knock the facts that here are very valid points made on either side and moreover the state of the welfare system here, its administration, use and abuse are most certainly serious matter of concern to all of us.

Though the OP may stand accused to be petty in the example of his choice I am somewhat lost for words as to how some do trip in pettiness over a point that is if anything, more metaphoric when one views the topic at large, particularly when the actual question was rather clear.

Should welfare recipients have the choice to spend tax payer money on what appear to be non-essential things that others cannot justify spending the money on?

In order to answer that we may have to look at the very bottom line of the origins of our welfare system and what the intentions were, then look at what this safety net intended to protect the survival of those who beyond their control fell into despair has developed into.

I do not have such insight information at my disposal and like many others can only express my opinion based on my perception of fairness which I stated in Msg 28 already.

“no welfare recipients should not be able to afford luxuries, only necessities, food shelter clothing, education employment assistance, education and medical services.”

My reasoning is that welfare should be considered and treated as an emergency aid only.
Joined: 1/31/2008
Msg: 84
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Posted: 4/23/2008 11:42:09 PM
Should welfare recipients have the choice to spend tax payer money on what appear to be non-essential things that others cannot justify spending the money on?

The government of Canada's website states:
"Provincial-territorial and municipal social assistance programs, often called Canada's social safety net of last resort, provide financial assistance and in-kind goods and services to cover the cost of basic living requirements for an individual or family when all other financial resources (of that individual or family) have been exhausted."
This statement does not need to be expanded upon does it? The reality is, we all will interpret it to our liking and read into it what we want. But I believe the statement speaks loud and clear on the objective of social assistance.

So what your saying here is that people that are down and out for whatever reason, (some are very sincere short term reasons I might add) are no longer entitled to make choices about their lives, like they don't matter. Only those of us that earn a living are entitled to be treated like human beings and there for are entitled under the Charter to make personal decisions....

I don't believe the OP is saying that at all. But if you want to go with the humas aspect of it, I believe part of being human in our society is to not take advantage of other humans and use or abuse a system we all contribute to and are affected by. There is no way to monitor how a welfare recipient spends their money once they receive it but I have to agree with Tyeee about the essential/non essential aspect. Shelter, food, clothing, utilities, and even education can be considered essential. Cigarettes, alcohol, illegal drugs, and gambling are non-essentials. IMHO call display is a non-essential as well. You don't NEED it. It is a want, not a need. (there are always exceptions to everything and I understand that people who have left abusive relationships or any other bad situation may require this type of service)

As I interpret the OP the larger picture is what he was eluding to and perhaps more specific those people who 'live off' the system.

There is always going to be those that take advantage and those who are at a disadvantage and really need to rely on welfare to survive. The Liberals introduced various new restrictions in 2002 that they believe have vastly reduced the number of abusers. They also took many benefitial 'extras' away from those that were/are ligitamately on assistance. Such as daycare and transportation fees. You're dammed if you do and dammed if you don't!

Put them all to work, even the single parents (anyone with a child over the age of one) , everyone, except those with a disability mental or physical...Im a single mom and I have to work ....why shouldnt they ...put them through training then give them 3 months to find a job

Yes, and FORCE them to get up every morning and PUT them on the bus and MAKE them STAY all day at the job you insist they take. C'mon....really. Those that WANT to work and are ABLE to work WILL work!

 Mountain Lion 1
Joined: 10/25/2006
Msg: 85
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Posted: 4/23/2008 11:51:48 PM
^^^Missy thank you for the official info, had only assumed there were words to that effect.
Thank you too for an honesty and dignity based opinion. Hardly any person of decent mind would want to undermine!
Joined: 4/1/2008
Msg: 86
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Posted: 4/24/2008 12:09:08 AM

Let them run the city.
Joined: 11/29/2005
Msg: 87
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Posted: 4/24/2008 7:14:17 AM
Yes it is abhorrent that "some people" will continue to abuse the welfare system...the so-called generational welfare people.
IMHO it is diabolical that wealthy people, politicians, corporations....those that have money
including their 5 cars, 5 mansions, 5 boats, free trips to anywhere thanks to you and I get huge huge write-off in taxes. Some not even paying taxes Think the Black family who moved away avoiding taxes. Corporate wealthy is reprehensible!!
Joined: 6/10/2007
Msg: 88
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Posted: 4/24/2008 8:15:59 AM
ooooh let's paint everyone with the same gun now,..... I mean ketchup bottle or is it brush? I long for those day long gon ( typo intentional) .

Sad that some folks feel they can no longer feel comfortable posting on this subject for the fread of getting their words twisted to fit into someone elses tirades and have to do privately Tyeee.

having to submit receipts for everything might work? You get a "budget' and if you can't account for the monies spent you get that much less the next time , that'd make folks keep their receipts. Just an idea to start with.
Joined: 6/20/2007
Msg: 89
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Posted: 4/24/2008 10:21:02 AM
In reply to post # 74......NOT a hope in H e double hockey sticks. I support myself and my children without any help from " organizations" and if the man is capable of working and supporting himself and his off spring thats exactally what I would EXPECT him to do! I work with people every day who have figured out those so called " loopholes " and have managed to dream up a few more of there own. Here at work this week is a week from hell every month. They get their cheques and are suddenly indepently wealthy for 3 days..and then the crawl and bawl stories start on Monday again. Yes I agree there is a time and a place for someone who legitmally needs the help, but to get back to topic ( I know this is so darn important to some )....NO I would not date nor consider dating anyone who is a continual milker of the free cash cow.
Joined: 2/20/2008
Msg: 90
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Posted: 4/24/2008 12:10:09 PM
Feed the Pigeons and they will sh*t on you.

When I become ruler of the world here is what is going to happen.

Electro shock beds to shake the welfies out of bed, time to go to work idiot boy. Dad use to beat you? We will talk about it after work over a beer, won't judge you but I'll be there for you.

Yo baby doll just because you have the gear to reproduce does not mean you should, keep your legs closed and at least get on the pill. If you are too f'd in the head to support babies then please by all means don't ask me to. Yea I already know your ex was an ahole, guess what I did not get knocked up by him, you did! Don't ask me to pay for it.

Collecting welfare? NO CAR FOR YOU, PERIOD!

Hey crackhead, get the f out the emergency room. I do not give a rats ass that you are in here for the 15th time this month looking for free drugs, my left foot is just about to fall off do to frostbite whilst I was tracking a murderer. Oh yea, doctor don't worry about my dressings I can do them myself I have only been waiting 4 hours while coke fiends and pot heads have been going in before me. Oh yea I do pay my medical and pay for my own med's.

Collecting welfare? NO INTERNET FOR YOU, PERIOD!

Welfare,,, the downfall of society.
Joined: 9/10/2007
Msg: 91
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Posted: 4/24/2008 1:57:44 PM

In Canada a refugee can get from our government almost $2400/month at the same time as an old age pensioner who has worked hard all of their life and whos taxes built this country gets a maximum of

Awhile back my father came into a rough time in his life. No money for nothing, and no where to go except his little tiny car , becuase he had no money. So, off he goes to the local Welly office. He went in with intentions on getting a 'loan' of sorts. He didn't want to be on Welfare, he just needed a one time assistance to help him get back on his feet.

Well, the East Indian fellow in line ahead of him was there asking for Welfare. They went over his bank statement..and we over heard the lady saying.."OK, you have $3000 in this account, and started handing him some paperwork to sign. She then told him that his cheque would be ready after 3 that day. He left.

So My dad goes up to the wicked, explains his circumstances, adn asks if they could help him with an Emergency grant for food and shelter. We had a form that you fill out with Rental info... we sat and waited only to be told that they would not be able to help him at this time, and he was encouraged to sell his vehicle, and try back next month if nothing has changed.

Now from what I understand..."IF" you are employable, you are only allowed on Welfare for 2 out of 3 yrs, When applying, youneed to wait a 3 week period before getting an appointment. (this can be by passed due to certain circumstances)
They get $500 a year for Dental ( one post above stated that they get 100% dental this is NOT the case) They need to provide Documents to support that they are actively searching for work, which Workers do call to verify. If they are not meeting their work search standards, they may find themselves no longer receiving social assistance benefits.

Here in Maple Ridge... if you drive by the line-up on Welfare day, you can actually see drug deals going on!!
Joined: 7/4/2007
Msg: 92
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Posted: 4/24/2008 2:45:27 PM
There needs to be a shakeup in the system when it comes to the restrictions and management of welfare recipients. In order to flush out all of the abusers of the system a proper investigation unit needs to be in place and a real system to report those abusers.
I've called a few levels of government about my neighbours who are on welfare, yet seems to have an endless supply of booze and smokes. Both are around 30 yrs old, no handicaps stopping them from working, but both refuse to work. When I first asked them if they were looking for work the reply was: "What for?"
I've reported them 3 times and still nothing has been done, they still are on the system and steal money from deserving recipients.

I think that for those on welfare that are able to work, they should only be allowed to collect for a max of 1 year, period. If you cannot find a job in that time, you are not looking hard enough. I am sick of my tax dollars being spent for lazy ass people's smokes and booze, total BS.

Check out how busy the Casino's are on Welfare Wednesday...priorities people! geez.
Joined: 6/10/2007
Msg: 93
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Posted: 4/24/2008 3:49:51 PM
Just wondering how you would know if your neighbours possibly had a mental illness or addiction problem that prevented them holding a job.Not all disabled people walk with crutches.
Sometimes people look normal on the outside and you wonder why they are not working but in actual fact they have mental illness that the average person would not recognize.
I mean how many people do we have on pof that could be on disability or collecting social assistance. I know alot of us work from home but did it ever occur to the people ranting that
your co posters could be recipients.

Joined: 7/4/2007
Msg: 94
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Posted: 4/24/2008 4:18:35 PM
^^^Well I know my neighbours family, I speak with them all the time and have heard their reasoning for not working, it is because they can get by without working...their are no disabilities there...both used to work normal jobs but "got sick of it".

I'm not sure it matters whether or not we have fellow posters who are recipients of welfare or assistance, we can still talk about an issue. There are many people who abuse the system and some might be on POF, their internet paid by the taxpayers while they sit and home on our dime. I hope those people read these forums and realize that they are looked down upon by many people if they are the abusers of the system.
Joined: 6/20/2007
Msg: 95
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Posted: 4/24/2008 4:47:14 PM
Amen to that Carolina...wether or not they are fellow POFers or opinion remains the same . Sing it sister :)
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 96
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Posted: 4/24/2008 5:43:22 PM
I've seen some very irresponsible people on welfare. I know of someone that actually had more kids (6 i think) so they could collect more welfare at the same time she is collecting child support from 3 different fathers. She is on crack so you know where alot of her welfare checks are going. She owes 2000 to BC Hydro and is constantly being kicked out of places for not paying the rent.

We want to help the kids then money for rent needs to go directly from welfare to the landlord or to government funded social housing. At least in some causes.

A lot of posters have mention the government and corporate welfare bums.

Well at least here in Canada I feel somewhat safe with the Government I have, its not a perfect system but it is one of the best in the world.

As far as the corporate welfare bums, remove their tax breaks, and there will be more of them heading off to China and other countries where they don't have to pay people squat to work for them.

Are all people on welfare irresponsible ? No, but for those that are something needs to be done, especially when children are involved.
Joined: 10/7/2007
Msg: 97
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Posted: 4/24/2008 6:40:16 PM
If you know people who are using "crack" , getting kicked out of places for not paying the rent and are still caring for 6 kids (you think), you have an obligation to make a report to a social worker...but make sure you have your info correct or you may be wasting someone's time. If Hydro is still choosing to provide services to someone with a $2000 bill then that would be bad business on their part, I'd say regardless of whether or not that customer was on assistance or not.
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 98
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Posted: 4/24/2008 7:14:13 PM
Let be clear here, 2 of the children are now with their grandmother, 2 or 3 ended up in foster homes, one of them is with another family member. I do not have first hand contact with this person, but the person who told me about her is in much more of a position to do any reporting and I know he did file a report. I do not know what the current status is, i had heard that she got the one child back, last I heard. Social Services being aware of her condition. I'm pretty sure the hydro was cut. This is an extreme case but an example of how some people are irresponsible, but not all.
Joined: 6/10/2007
Msg: 99
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Posted: 4/24/2008 10:48:27 PM
Hmmm do ya think maybe she is a drug addict......
Do ya figure she could hold a job?
My point exactly. There are government services available to help financially ( barely) take care of those that are too messed up to look after themselves.
With no welfare state these people would be just left to die.
For me i could not live in a world like that. Empathy is a virtue I value.
It could happen to any one of us.
I just thank my lucky stars that I have never been in a position to have to rely on the government to support me. I have a wonderful kind generous family I could rely on in a time of trouble.
Not everybody is so fortunate.

Thank you to the original poster for bringing up this thread as it helps me to weed those people out of my search for my fish
 valla maldoran
Joined: 4/2/2008
Msg: 100
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Posted: 4/25/2008 3:35:20 AM
I think that you will find that people who have money to burn on welfare are the people who are getting money from somewhere else. Maybe they have a boyfriend, a job that pays under the table or they are doing something illegally. People who are living strictly off of welfare do no have money to burn and are lucky to have all the basics covered.

Sure there are some people who take advantage of the system but most people are not, and are on welfare because they are truly in need. It only seems like it's many people on welfare who are living dishonestly because these cases get blown up so big. In reality most on welfare are living honestly and just trying to get by.

People living on disability well that's a whole other issue. If you can't work then there is nothing you can do about that. As another poster said not all disabilities are visible.
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