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 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 131
Welfare recipients with money to burn!Page 8 of 9    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9)
What a fun game that must be ? Going hungry ,freezing your ass off in the streets

Have a look in the Streets!!! There thy shall find an Abundance of Drug Addicts, financed by the Welfare State.

Most Welfare Recipients would rather not work and have a warm Home and play Computer Games. Some of us have Goals in Life and we work our butts to achieve them, and take Objection to those who run a "Poor Me" Campaign to have others pay their Way through Life. Again, as I have mentioned previously, those eligible and in need should be helped, but not to make Welfare a permanent Income.

This Topic is about Welfare Recipients who have Money to burn, not those who qualify by Gov't Standards.

research just how much of your paycheck truly does go to welfare

You can do the Research yourself, and it doesn't Matter if its 5 or 20 Billion. You are completely missing the Point here. No Argument has been made against those who require Welfare according the Gov't Outlines to bridge a Time of Mis-fortune. That is its Design, its not a Job or a Method of permanent Income, its not here to assist the working able to supplement their Drug Habits.

Care for Senior Citizens is not the same, nor have I made any Reference to it. They have usually paid Taxes all their Life anyways. That however is not a Welfare Issue. You should read the Posts I made earlier, little Point rehashing it again. This Topic is about those on Welfare with Money to burn. Again ... "Money to burn". And there are Way too many of them.

Maybe you don't get out often enough to see whats really going on. As soon as they are kicked off Welfare, they are suddenly available for work. I like the Gov't Guidelines, and if anything should be cracking down even further on the widespread Abuse.
 FunnyAndSweet48
Joined: 8/21/2007
Msg: 132
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Posted: 2/17/2009 2:16:23 PM
I am all for reporting those who are truly scamming welfare & I have, however I notice several people on here encouraging others to report people who are scamming welfare. Remember that there is a difference between knowing & assuming. I am concerned about people jumping the gun & reporting those who legitimately need to be on welfare, based solely on observations without knowing the full details of that person's personal situation. Keep in mind that some use alcohol and/or pot to keep their pain level manageable because often pain meds are not enough, but I am in no way supporting those who use these & other illegal substances for recreational purposes.

I've heard so many people say that so & so shouldn't be on welfare, after all, she/he is physically fit & active so why can't she work? Disability comes in many forms & not everyone is willing to spread the details of their disability to everyone they meet, nor should they have to. Just because someone is not in a wheelchair or physically impaired & able to lead what appears on the outside to be normal lives, does not mean they are not disabled. Unless you have discussed the details of the disability directly with that person, you do not know what their daily struggles are.

I learned a good lesson when I was considering reporting someone for welfare fraud, however, one day a piece of her mail was put into my mailbox by accident. From the return address & discussing this with a neighbour who knew her better than I did, I learned that she was on long-term disability due to a mentally debilitating illness that would have made it difficult if not impossible to work. Although she seemed quite capable of working from an outside point of view, she could not function in a work setting other than delivering the local newspapers twice a week.

Many people on long-term disability want to work & suffer from self-esteem issues from not being able to have normal jobs & successful careers like their friends do. Those who can are encouraged to do whatever work they are able to, in order to remain mentally and/or physically active & avoid the depression that comes with feeling like a failure in life.

Therefore, those on long-term disability are allowed to make up to a certain amount of $'s on top of their disability income. Some can function in part-time jobs while others can only function in volunteer positions as they lack the daily consistency to be efficient in a regular, paying job. Even telemarketing jobs require efficiency, the ability to meet quotas & deadlines on time, good communication & problem-solving skills & the ability to tolerate verbal abuse & defuse angry people politely, not to mention the ability to sit upright for several hours at a time.

A friend of mine was once reported for welfare fraud by a lady she met at a party we went to. This lady was furious that a young, healthy & intelligent girl was on welfare instead of working, while living rent-free. What this 'outstanding citizen' who reported her didn't know was that my friend was on welfare only because she was taking a course so she could get a full-time paying job & that she had rent & utilities to pay at the house she was living in.

Due to this fraud report, welfare immediately suspended my friend's financial support pending further investigation & she had to quit school & file an appeal. A month or two later it was proven that she had not committed fraud, but this interrupted & delayed her schooling so she ended up having to be on welfare much longer than planned until she completed her course & got a job shortly after.

I would recommend that before you report someone for welfare or disability fraud, invite them over for coffee & try to learn more about them & their disability if they're open to discussing it. You might just realize that you've made an ignorant A S S of yourself by jumping to conclusions ... or they might even admit that they're scamming welfare, as some quite openly do.
 Xavery
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 133
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Posted: 2/17/2009 7:16:35 PM
Schizophrenic are psychiatrically assessed and institutionalized when it has been deemed they are unable to take care of themselves. As with those with "fetal alcohol syndrome", where medically verified, will receive Disability Payments.


This how I believe the system deals with schizophrenics. They are psychiatrically assessed as pointed out and then they may or may not stay in a psychiatric facility. It is cheaper to fit them with chemical straight jackets. Give them a c@cktail of major tranquilizers and send them marching. The straight jackets are ill fitting and have many side effects so this leaves schizophrenics unable to work or not using their drugs and, perhaps, self-medicating.

Once upon a time there was a place called Riverview (still exists) and many people with psychological illnesses lived there. Then something happened called deinstitutinalizaion and it was suppose to help the people with illnesses because they could live independently -maybe, in group homes, but the sick people got lost on the streets. However, I have heard they have money to burn or is it candles in their shopping carts.

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 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 135
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Posted: 2/17/2009 10:27:26 PM
I am concerned about people jumping the gun & reporting those who legitimately need to be on welfare, based solely on observations without knowing the full details of that person's personal situation.

They do not act on Reports 'Carte Blanche', they investigate if you have something to go on other than just Hearsay. If you are mistaken, no worries, nothing will come of it. From a Business Perspective, the Employer would call the Welfare Fraud Office should a Temp Labourer insist he be paid Cash so as to not jeopardise his monthly public Supplement. They may not do anything with it at that Time, but if more Report accumulate, they'll take Action.

Due to this fraud report, welfare immediately suspended my friend's financial support pending further investigation & she had to quit school & file an appeal.

Go higher up and report the Case Worker who suspended your Friend. All Reports have to have a Basis other than just hearsay. There is no formal Appeal. The ministry has been restructured, and its likely that may be a Tale from the past.

Generalizations tend to make idiots of us all

So true.
 mrchicken
Joined: 5/16/2008
Msg: 136
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Posted: 2/17/2009 10:47:39 PM
If I even suspect that somebody is collecting welfare, and I'm not satisfied that they are sufferring enough, I report them! HA, HA, HA.

I'm a big important man!
 WesternWildRose
Joined: 9/15/2008
Msg: 138
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Posted: 2/23/2009 4:00:32 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ya...who the hell are they?... I wonder about that too.

Don't want to judge others.....but man.. my kids have been known to wear consignment coats....and we do go without the latest gadgets... no Wii, no big screen telly and the designer duds.... no babysitter here.
I got to wonder where the money is coming from for the manicures, tanning... vacations and gosh.. cabs... who can afford to take cabs?

sorry...but I'm with you heavyiron... I don't get it.

I am a single mom with 3 kids..not on welfare... no alimony here... we are doing okay....but we don't have the luxury items like a lot of welfare moms have.
 Ed Bear
Joined: 5/19/2007
Msg: 144
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Posted: 4/5/2009 6:31:05 AM
People on assistance get very little, and if they spend it as they rationally choose, they are maximizing the utility of that money, whatever anyone thinks about their choices. And, yes, not everyone is rational. And some people have unreported income - but that's not what we're talking about.

For smokers (not me - ever - but I understand) their drug is a necessity. It's a legal addiction. Remember, cigarettes used to be in the Consumer Price Index because about half of Canadians were smokers!

Cable TV? For a family with children, it's a valuable and very cost-effective way to keep the kids educated, up-to-date and entertained that does not involve danger. (No, not the premium porno channels!) It allows them to do school research, see current events and see some cultural and regional things their parents can't afford for them.

Taxis? If you don't have a car, picking up groceries can be cost-effective by cab, particularly if one can't carry a familyfull of food. Taxis are the only way to make sure one meets critical appointments like job and social services interviews for many on assistance. And doctors one may have waited for months for. If you're poor and have an emergency and no friends with cars, the taxi is your way to go.

For someone trying to reconstruct a family by finding a new partner, some expense on dating and clothing is often appropriate.

A cell phone may in fact be the result of not being able to qualify for a home phone - you can get them prepaid no matter how screwed your credit is because your spouse took off after raping the bank account and credit cards and making 100 calls to his or her online lover in Sweden.

I knew a 40-something mother who was abandoned by her husband with two kids and a lot of debt. Despite his having left and money being very, very tight, she felt it was important to repair her engagement ring because she never accepted that she was divorced. She sacrificed for over a year to get up enough to replace a $400 side-stone in the ring that had fallen out. It was that important to her.

I say, if it's not fraudulently obtained and there's nobody suffering as a result, people have to make their own choices. I wonder how many sanctimonious types would think of cutting back on their booze consumption - credit counsellors (dealing with people NOT on assistance, just in deep debt) find many won't even consider it.

ED BEAR
 sarniafairyboy
Joined: 6/19/2010
Msg: 145
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Posted: 7/6/2010 5:05:15 PM
LOL I've seen fair number with the latest cellphones as well Apple iPhones or whatever, and sleek new laptop computers, heading to a cafe with wireless access, etc.

I don't have either one of those things and I work _ I guess some people really do just feel 'entitled' though.

oh yeah, most 'need' a home computer & internet access too -maybe to check for dates on POF? or other sites?
 *ScorpioSweetiepie*
Joined: 8/10/2006
Msg: 146
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Posted: 7/6/2010 8:26:33 PM
yup.. burns me up also... some.. not all of course.. are drug dealers.. they need to be on welfare so no one suspects... isn't that nice??? NOT

I have a taxi account and I know that when I call on 'that' certain day..(especially if its raining) the taxi company is super busy.. all with the welfare peeps.. heading to the liquor store... they tell me all about it.. pretty sad really....
 Ed Bear
Joined: 5/19/2007
Msg: 147
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Posted: 7/7/2010 4:23:36 PM
Sarniafairyboy: lest you forget, those fancy phones are pushed with plans that make them "free" or "cheap" and then a long-term commitment to pay and pay. And they are pushed to people who have no idea how to manage money or pay back debts. The salesthings always claim the upgrade will "save you money."
ED BEAR
$17.32 a month, and I bought the phone for $10, a motorcycle ride and a bowl of noodles.
 sarniafairyboy
Joined: 6/19/2010
Msg: 149
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Posted: 7/11/2010 1:26:44 PM

People applying for welfare don't have to give up a computer or cell phones they may already own, along with their dignity. Since the peeps I knew saw welfare as a temporary measure, they NEEDED those phones and computers to try to regain employment. How many people can imagine trying to find a job without a phone or a computer? Sure, it would be cheaper to stand on the roof of your welfare-provided domicile, light a fire and send smoke signals, but how effectively could they be interpreted by the HR folks advertising on job boards?


LOL; I believe that in any town of much size (10,00 or more, or so) in N. America, there are public places where people can use a computer & access free web-based e-mail accounts & use telephones, etc, even with voice-mail -employment centers, and if not, public libraries.

many employed people even use these alternatives to owning the stuff themselves, either because of budget reasons, or just not wanting to accumulate a lot of junk/possessions.

besides many welfare recipients are not seriously 'looking for work, just enough to keep the social workers at bay & collect that cheque -explains those who are on it for the 2nd, 3rd or 4th generation.

heard of the welfare recipient who walked in and said to the social worker: "I'm tired of collecting this ! I want to work so bad!"

so the SW told him"We have a job, just came in, a wealthy guy wants someone to escort his beautiful 20 year old daughter around Europe for a year, staying in the finest hotels, eating in the finest restaurants, driving his Rolls Royce, and paying $200,000"

the welfare guy: "aww, you're bulls*tting me, right??"

SW: "Yeah, but you started it, man!"
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
Msg: 150
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Posted: 7/11/2010 3:24:32 PM
The whole point of welfare is, after all, to alleviate poverty, but not give you quite enough to comfortably live on


Is it really ?????
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
Msg: 152
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Posted: 7/12/2010 5:48:44 PM
The whole point of welfare is, after all, to alleviate poverty, but not give you quite enough to comfortably live on


Is it really ?????


Just to make it "easy" for ya.

She stated something as a fact........

And I asked a question.


In other words,,,,,,welfare was NOT put in place to alleviate poverty originally,,,, far from it actually.

Get it??????

 Ed Bear
Joined: 5/19/2007
Msg: 153
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Posted: 7/12/2010 11:58:42 PM
Check your history, guys and gals.

Charity by religious organizations promoted their control of society, and governments got into it too, for the same reason:

Welfare keeps people from being quite desperate enough to become criminals, or to kill all the rich folks and take their stuff. It's cheaper than repressive private armies and guards. Rich right-wingers are never cheap about wanting their taxes to pay for police and jails.
ED BEAR
 Cynderella
Joined: 3/8/2007
Msg: 155
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Posted: 8/4/2010 11:11:03 AM
I usually don't like to butt heads with the "big guy" lol, but I felt one statement a bit unfair...


# 155...I report about a Dozen or more annually, just about everyone on Welfare I happen to run into.


This seen to me like a job for "Welfair Police" everyones guilty until proven inoccent.

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I read this entire thread, something I don't do. I like to read OP's post and give my own oppinion without others in mind.

I feel many have strayed of topic and many are very closed minded...and some down right unfair/ mean.

We all pay taxes even welfair people ( most every purchase is taxed from a store).

As for some wearing designer clothes...second hand stores do get these labels and then are affordable to those less fortunate.

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As a mom with a very sick little baby being born 1lb 11oz. and dad walking away. I found myself one of the unfortunate welfair receipant. I could not pay for the 1,000's of dollars of meds this little man needed. Nor the respite/ daycare when he was in and outta hospital. I still worked bartending, claimed my tips and still didn't make enought not to be topped up. I was very careful where every dollar was spent, as is my right not someone elses who may think one thing is not valid to them. I never smoked, didn't drink but did find nice clothes/furnishings through yard sale and second-hand stores. To some I may have looked like an abuser...should I be reported??? No
One Christmas withnot a dime to spare...I volanteered with the Christmas hamper handouts. If you would have been at my home that Christmas morning...it may have seemed my kids were very fortunate and perhaps should have been reported.
Not one gift was purchased with my wefair monies...all donations.

Not everything that one sees is always clear.
Perhaps one should be direct and ask instead of feeling self rightous to tattle tail.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 156
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Posted: 8/5/2010 7:49:59 AM
It's just so heartening to see people rush to judge others even when they cannot possibly know each person's full story. Oh, and of course, everyone making these judgements is a paragon of perfection - no vices, no problems, totally able to live life according to the highest standards of perfection.

It's really an epidemic in society - spending one's time criticizing everybody else rather than figuring out how to make your own self a better person and letting others be.
 KiwiBassist
Joined: 5/24/2010
Msg: 157
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Posted: 9/1/2010 8:27:32 PM
It annoys me to see all these posts. Don't people ever think that before someone goes on assistance maybe some of the things they have they had beforehand? Or are they just supposed to sell everything and sleep on the floor, have no furniture etc.

Also about the call display, when I hooked up my phone they asked me which feature I wanted as one was included with it as a promotion, some people take advantage of things like that.

Not everyone on welfare is into drugs, drinking and smoking, but I gather some people would still have something to say like, oh look at her child, he/she is wearing gap not realizing maybe it was a hand me down from a family member, a friend or even bought from the second hand store.

I have been there before, I owned and still own guitars and stuff, thank god I don't know any of you or you might say well this one shouldn't have spent their money on that. Well they were purchased long before I had to go on assistance, and since they are and have been my hobby and what keeps me sane at times, they have not been sold. Now I am back on my feet, I am glad I didn't and have no problem helping through taxes for those programs.

One thing I do think for sure needs to be changed, is the education system, maybe if it was accessible to all, things may be different, but then again they may not. I have a good friend who wants to take graphics art and design, however she can't because she cannot get a student loan due to a bankruptcy, and there isn't funding through the Income assistance here for that.

However they will happily pay money out for the junkies/drug addicts to continue to support their habits, and their failing treatments, but this single mum, not a chance.
 KiwiBassist
Joined: 5/24/2010
Msg: 158
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Posted: 9/1/2010 8:31:54 PM
I will add, in general those single mothers you do see with lots of extra cash, either have starving children who don't eat, or have an extra curricular job at night, and tend to either leave their kids home alone, sleeping so they can do that job or leave them with some irresponsible friend who wouldn't dare say what is going on.

This I know from a few that I used to know and no longer associate with. I left that crowd behind long long ago, I never agreed with it, and I never will. But with some they feel that is the only job they can do and I hear the pay is good too.
 Ed Bear
Joined: 5/19/2007
Msg: 159
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Posted: 9/2/2010 2:14:48 PM
I enthusiastically agree, my southern-hemisphere-lower-register friend. I won't accept any anyone-can-do it blame-the-victim stuff in a world where health care and education aren't available to all who can make use of them. With them, there's a good start on everyone being able to make it themselves - but there are many other roadblocks in life, from discrimination to crime and abuse - and there's nothing subversive about a society using its incredible wealth and power to keep people from falling through the cracks.
ED BEAR
 moffiaprincess
Joined: 7/4/2005
Msg: 160
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Posted: 10/12/2010 12:53:19 AM
First off let me add there are alot of people who abuse the systems in place to help.. but now they are so over protective of these services that they are almost impossible to reach ! I was a teen mom and at 17 I learned very fast I needed to be responsible for my money. I finished highschool while working part time at A&W I took out a student loan and finished mY RCA course through sprott-shaw(another mistake.. I hate that school) now I find years later and still paying off my student loan I am no longer able to work in that feild due to medical reasons (I have Chronic Fatigue syndrome & Fibromyalgia) I have been off work since may of this year anda my 15 weeks of medical E.I. have run out.. I am not able to go back to that feild of work and I am awaiting my doctors aproval to go back to work... anything ! My fiancé has drained his saving account to pay the rent and bills and I have been using what I got for food and student loan payments. Forseeing that I am going to loose everything I was told by E.I. to apply for income assistance her words were "thats what its there for is to help" after waiting 3 weeks to get a call back I was told there was no point in going ahead with my application as my fiancé is working and we need to live off his income... really I said.. My prescriptions are about 200 a month.. my sons are about the same (he has severe AHDH/ODD aswell as some developmental delays) our rent is 910 a month for a crappy bug infested building and he only makes about 1600 a month.. how does that math work out.. her answer... well go to food bank ! I understand there are alot of scammers out there but there willing to give help to people who are drug addicts not people who really need temporary help ! Of course as Im walking out of the office very upset almost in tears there was alot of people willing to tell me how to "scam" them... (sorry for the vent.. this topic is kinda close to my heart right now)

I belive there are people who need help who are not getting it because of the "lifers" Yes you should need to check in and do some meny hours volunteer or so on unless of medical reason witch should be noted by a legitimate doctor .. ASWELL YOU SHOULD NEED TO TAKE MONTHLY OR BI-MONTHY DRUG TESTING ! fail a test no check for you
 KiwiBassist
Joined: 5/24/2010
Msg: 161
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Posted: 10/14/2010 6:06:22 PM
@Princess, you only get covered for one child on welfare, and the max check for one child and a parent is just around 900 a month with a spouse about 100 more. Then with your spouse working they deduct dollar for dollar from that so if he is making more than $1000 a month that is why the worker told you not to bother.

You would fit catergory A per your description, so your husband needs to make less than that to qualify for income assistance, so according to your figures your husband makes $539 more than a person on assistance is allowed.

I guess they figure the majority of people on welfare barely survive then those working and making above that, won't qualify.

I know it sucks, but it is better off than those on welfare they do not care if medication costs are crazy, what they will say is go eat at a soup kitchen or something.

People blow welfare out of porportion so that others think there is a lot of money being paid to each family when there is not.

Also any assets you have such as a car must be sold first to get money to live on further putting families into poverty. There is a lot these people who glorify welfare do not know, nor would they care to learn.
 KiwiBassist
Joined: 5/24/2010
Msg: 162
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Posted: 10/14/2010 8:03:42 PM
I believe the car has to be worth under $5000 and if it is not has to then be sold. Yes many have cars that they generally put into a family members name to avoid that, and ones that have multiple cars generally acquire such by illegal means. Did you also know that many of the housing complexes are not even people on welfare, but are living in subsidized housing with multiple cars so that they can take advantage of the lower rents? Not everyone in those housing units are low income. I have personally seen places where there are two working parents, one owning home business pretty well off 2-3 cars/van/truck and still getting subsidized because they falsify information or tell the government only one of them is living there.

Food banks are ok if only they wouldn't hand out expired food. I volunteered at one for awhile and noticed that people donate expired canned goods. I guess people feel that getting ill from expired food is better than not eating. I believe social housing should only be for those who actually need it, but its just another thing taken advantage of and then people assume everyone in them is on assistance.

And since it is the government they have the right to know everything about you, at your meeting with the worker you have to give all information including car ownership and insurance. They can even run your credit information. Here in BC as well they have now implemented anyone with an outstanding warrant is now not eligble and can be turned in.

So if a clunker car is seen thats ok for them to have, just has to be under $5000.

those who work and make $1600 which is 500 some above what the max for 3 people get on welfare in this province don't qualify, if they want to change up for a $1000 check instead of $1600 that is the only way they can get on the system, though here is hard as just quitting work doesn't cut it as a reason, you have to do a 2 yr independence test, be below a certain income level which is generally very low, have doctors letters or a 3 week job search before they will even see you. Unless of course you claim abuse from a spouse then you get in immediately.

Anyway here is a copy and paste about income and cars etc

About income

Income assistance and disability benefits are income tested. This means, if you have too much money, you may not qualify for assistance. For example, if you are a single person whose monthly income is over $610 per month, it is not likely that you will qualify for regular income assistance. Single people with monthly incomes over $906 will not usually qualify for disability benefits. It is possible to apply for disability benefits if your income is over $610, but under $906.

You are also allowed to have a car worth up to $5,000 and own the home you live in
 KiwiBassist
Joined: 5/24/2010
Msg: 163
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Posted: 10/15/2010 1:56:35 PM
actually me either that must have changed sometime in the last couple of years. As it used to be you had to sell it within a year or something like that. This is also for BC so Ontario may be a bit different on that as each province is run under different legislation such as here BC doesn't give out moving startups and all deposits to hook up services and stuff must be paid back same as last months rent deposits where in Ontario it is not paid back. here there is also a 2 yr limit after 2 yrs they take $100 per month off the assistance check if a person is still not working, only way out of that is if you have children under 4
Thats why many have more kids, as when kids hit 4 they are forced to look for work so those who don't want to find some guy to knock them up so they don't have to work and get another 4 yrs on the system.

Disability is lifetime generally so they are subjected to the same rules.
 Ed Bear
Joined: 5/19/2007
Msg: 164
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Posted: 10/26/2010 12:31:10 AM
Subsidized housing (there are many classes of that) usually runs on sliding rent scales based on income. Almost all such places have systems that adjust rents rather than booting people out the minute they no longer meet some standard - it would be stressful and wasteful to have people moving in and out, wasting moving resources and changing phones, etc, addresses all over the place and families disrupted. In general, people needing assistance benefit greatly from stable housing. If an old person in subsidized housing, with not too many years left before the nursing home and probably unable to survive a move, loses their spouse - should they be cast out, told to look for exploitative market housing and constant uncontrolled rent increases? They would probably have to give up many of their dearest possessions and memories, too. And what of a family who has one child go to school, jail or leave to marry? Evict the rest of the lot?

REMEMBER: If you are obsessing about what those at the bottom of society are getting from you, those at the top are getting away with robbing you and you aren't paying attention!
ED BEAR
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