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 jmarquise
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my understanding is that it's a crime to get private health care in canada. only a pet can get private insurance.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/24/2008 12:11:21 PM
the reality of hurricane katrina is that ray nagen is an idiot. fema is a failure because it's run by the government. regardless of who was in charge, they would have been incompetent. nagen should have offered buses to leave the city. he is just not a good city manager. I live in a hurricane zone, I have been evacuated. nagen was elected to be responsible for his city, he wasn't, he was reelected. I actually don't have a lot of sympathy for most of the parasites that came from new orleans. look at the spike in crime rates in the houston area after they took the so called refugees into their city.

I am just offering new ideas. the way it is now, is unmanageable. it has become worse and worse.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/24/2008 12:26:52 PM
I have been calling for term limits forever! robert byrd is a pork barrel spending fruitcake. he wastes more money than michael jackson at chuck e cheese. you got a problem with byrd, how about kennedy? I think strom thurmond is still serving in congress despite his disability. you know, life.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/24/2008 1:38:24 PM
what did FEMA face under the clinton administration? the spike in houston is a result of the kind of people that were infesting new orleans. statistic tell the tale. not everything run by the government everywhere is a failure, just the US. it would improve congress because it would give them a shorter period of time in which to create a legacy. that's all these idiots care about anyway.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/24/2008 2:09:27 PM
charles, you are trying to debate in circles. my point is that these people were criminals to begin with. I am talking about the same people who 2.5 years later are complaining about the conditions in their FEMA trailer. give me a break.


<div class="quote">Also the 1997 red river flood. Worst flooding in American history at the time.

I don't even know where to start telling you how far off this statement is.

FYI. the top 5 floods in american history.

5. Rapid City, South Dakota (1972)
Flash food with a death toll was 237. That’s extreme, considering a flash food is simply rain over a short period — just a matter of hours.

4. Santa Paula, California (1928)
The St. Francis Dam collapsed, killing 450.

3. Ohio River (1913)
Rain over days, weeks, and months caused the Ohio river to exceed it’s banks and convert nearby cities and towns into part of the lake. New meaning for lakehouse, I guess? (Har, Har).

2. Mississippi Valley (1937)
Heavy rains took the lives of 1,100 people, destroying 75,000 homes and leaving 600,000 homeless.

1. Johnstown, Pennsylvania (1889)
Several days of heavy downpours caused the upriver South Fork dam to collapse, sending millions of gallons of water downstream toward the town of Johnstown. This was the first major disaster relief effort handled by the American Red Cross and it’s founder Clara Barton.



<div class="quote">Thats not actually true. Otherwise you wouldn't be the single most powerful country on earth.

you don't think that our free market had anything to do with this?
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/24/2008 2:16:09 PM
also, let me show you how they used to handle natural disasters. keep in mind, this president was incredibly popular when he left office. wonder why calvin coolidge was one of my favorites of all time?? read on.

Coolidge has often been criticized for his actions during the Great Mississippi Flood of 1927, the worst natural disaster to hit the Gulf Coast until Hurricane Katrina in 2005.[112] Although he did eventually name Secretary Hoover to a commission in charge of flood relief, Coolidge's lack of interest in federal flood control has been much maligned.[112] Coolidge did not believe that personally visiting the region after the floods would accomplish anything, but would be seen only as political grandstanding, and he did not want to incur the federal spending that flood control would require.[113] Congress wanted a bill that would place the federal government completely in charge of flood mitigation; Coolidge wanted the property owners to bear much of the costs.[114] When Congress passed a compromise measure in 1928, Coolidge declined to take credit for it and signed the bill in private on May 15.
 tjrogelio
Joined: 11/8/2005
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Posted: 4/24/2008 2:42:21 PM
Too many people are quick to judge New Orleans. I guess that's what happens when you listen to the biased media. You would have to be from New Orleans to truly understand the people and the soul of that city. I am from New Orleans. Believe it or not, we're not all criminals. Some of us.....most of us are decent folks.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/24/2008 2:59:23 PM
Too many people are quick to judge New Orleans. I guess that's what happens when you listen to the biased media. You would have to be from New Orleans to truly understand the people and the soul of that city. I am from New Orleans. Believe it or not, we're not all criminals. Some of us.....most of us are decent folks.


I don't listen to media, I listen to my friends from new orleans and surrounding parishes. the crime rate is high. that isn't too much of a mystery. I was born in detroit and grew up in DC. I will not try to claim that those cities aren't infested with too many of the wrong type of people. however I will also say that both cities have good qualities. no matter what people will tell you about detroit!
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/24/2008 4:54:20 PM

Bullshit. I'm not debating in circles, I'm pointing out historical realities with displaced peoples, and you're just re asserting your initial statements.


nope, new orleans has high crime. when you take criminals out of an area and put them somewhere else, the result is higher crime. that is a statistic that is hard to argue. my offer still stands, if you would like to come to where I live, I will show you the high crime areas and you can see how these so called poor people live. oh, and PS, you are only considered poor based on what the government knows that you make. they can't track money taken in my drugs. this would explain the BMW's I see in the poor neighborhoods. when you see government waste firsthand, it changes your outlook.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/24/2008 5:16:15 PM

I've never quite understood the objection to size.

General Electric is huge. And it has no problem operating effectively



that is because if you don't produce, you are fired. in the US government, no one produces and they are reelected. in the free market, there is an out for the weakest link.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/24/2008 6:41:30 PM
the problems of giving rights back to the people? imagine that!
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/25/2008 3:36:28 AM

Ummm before Katrina New Orleans was poor for crime, but not even close to being the worst in your country.

http://realtytimes.com/rtpages/20041123_cityrankings.htm

Once again, internally displaced peoples. ALWAYS cause a crime spike.


you are right. we are in agreement. any time you take large amounts of criminals, put them in a new area, you are going to get more crime. this isn't rocket science.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/25/2008 5:10:53 AM

Actually anytime you take a large number of people, and move them you get a crime spike.
Tell me what studying have you done on this topic?
Way to continue to re-assert your original position, without any backing what so ever.

Finally considering I've shown that Pre Katrina's crime rate was not nearly the worst in the country. On what basis are you calling them parisites?



anytime you take a large number of criminals and sprinkle them around the country, the crime rates in those areas goes up. repeat, this isn't rocket science. tell me what studying have you done on this subject from 2000 miles away from new orleans? wikipedia? is that your university? what studying have I done? try living in this country for 31 years. living in big cities in the north, east, and south. I have been to new orleans several times, it's not just the citizens, the police there are also criminals. I was taking a cab ride back to my hotel room when we got pulled over. the cab driver was beaten and robbed by the cops. right in front of us.

as for your attempt to provide crime statistics, it again appears you don't know how this works. here are some things you can google to give you a better idea of how crime statistics work.

per capita
city limits
metropolitan area

you don't seem to understand that crime statistics are flawed. I live in a city that has some of the worst violent crime in the US. but on paper, there were only 8 murders last year. why? per capita. new york can have 1000 murders and DC can have 500. DC's murder rate is far worse. why? 7,000,000 in NY, 500,000 in DC. also, not all crime happens within the city limits. usually the more depressed areas are on the outskirts of the city. so giving me crime statistics for a city really means nothing.

as for them being parasites, yeah, the fed off the tax payer dollar. here is the definition of a parasite.

a person who exploits the hospitality of the rich and earns welcome by flattery

they weren't very flattering but man did they exploit hospitality.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/25/2008 5:34:16 AM
they aren't all parasites, but the city is full of them. yes, the city I live with is infested with parasites as well. I see them daily. it sickens me.
 TheOneWho_
Joined: 3/22/2007
Msg: 40
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Posted: 4/25/2008 1:02:58 PM
jmarquise said:
I disagree with all war. I want peace with all people. the civil war was a failure. abraham lincoln offered to buy the slaves freedoms. instead we killed hundreds and thousands of lives. if we had only talked, and compromised.
War is terrible. This is a universal truth.
It is also true that war is sometimes the best of the available options. As terrible as it is, war is not always the worst thing that could happen.

I want peace with all people also. I am also quite willing to stop anyone who will take my freedom or liberty.

If we had only talked and compromised? Talking had gone on for years, and both sides were certain they compromised much more than they should have.

Let's play a game... a game called "Let's compromise".
The rules are simple - the goal of one side is to have sex with your cute 8-year-old daughter (or son). Your goal is to reach an agreement; some type of compromise where all sides are happy. There are no other rules. Every option is available to you; everything from you providing the bed, anal-lube and soft lighting to clubs, knives, and guns & ammunition. The other side has all these things available, too.

How much do you compromise from your position of "No, absolutely NOT!" Is a little sex ok? Maybe just once to make the problem go away and avoid killing each other (war). C'mon, I'm sure some reasonable accommodation can be made.

You see, sometimes compromise is actually the worst thing you could do.
"Sorry son. He said it wouldn't hurt too much, and it really is for the best for everyone."
 itechman63
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Posted: 4/25/2008 1:11:31 PM
While that was a very uncomfortable analogy, evil exists and opportunities are seized. I think the thing suggested was not so much 'compromise' as much as 'flexible'. To not be so rigid that you become deaf and unyielding.

When suggested to speak with Iran, I don't think for a second that means to concede anything to Iran. Kind of like Carter with Hamas, "What do you want?". "Death to Israel". "Okay, do you validate parking?". Didn't solve anything, didn't hurt anything, but an enemy felt more than inanimate. Hamas will kill Carter last just because he talked to them.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/25/2008 1:27:38 PM
yeah, but he didn't provide the compromise of f u c k i n g someone your own age. also, there is a difference in talking and compromising and talking of compromise.
 TheOneWho_
Joined: 3/22/2007
Msg: 43
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Posted: 4/25/2008 2:19:18 PM
yeah, but he didn't provide the compromise of f u c k i n g someone your own age.
"Yea, but...." (oops!)
Sorry, substituting another is not among the options available to you. The rules are simple.



also, there is a difference in talking and compromising and talking of compromise.
Your 8-year-old kid's corn-hole is on the line here. The other side has clubs, knives, guns & ammo and is willing to use 'em... and you're quibbling about the difference between "and" and "of". Next you'll be talking about the difference between a mere 2" of penetration and a slightly more robust 6".

...or, you'll be dying as you listen to your kid screaming. Did I not mention there are worse things than war?
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/25/2008 2:26:30 PM
so let me understand. you are comparing buying the slaves freedom, which was proposed by lincoln, instead of killing over a million people, to raping an 8 year old. I am really failing to make a connection here.
 TheOneWho_
Joined: 3/22/2007
Msg: 45
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Posted: 4/25/2008 2:43:41 PM

itechman42 said:
... I think the thing suggested was not so much 'compromise' as much as 'flexible'. To not be so rigid that you become deaf and unyielding.
Perhaps.
Unfortunatly, we can't know what is meant. We can only know what is said, then guess what is actually meant.

Your example of Iran is interesting. The whole world is saying "stop with the nuclear development". They are saying "F**k-off! We will continue development".
Several alternative methods for them to get nuclear power plants up & running have been offered if they would stop enriching Uranium. "F**k-off! We will continue enrichment."

Our choices are clear. They are either forcibly stopped, or they continue to enrich Uranium (and continue to develop nuclear weapons). If we negotiate, they continue. The longer we talk, the more enriched Uranium they have. Once they have enough, they have bombs very quickly (weeks to months).

I see Carter's 'negotiations' with Hamas as equivalent to 'negotiating' with a delegation from NAMBLA.
NAMBLA spokesman - "See? We're really not bad - an American president came to talk with us."
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/25/2008 2:47:13 PM
I agree, back to the original topic. that is, would we be better dividing up into regions with more power and responsibility put on the individual?
 TheOneWho_
Joined: 3/22/2007
Msg: 47
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Posted: 4/25/2008 2:47:57 PM

What happened here?
Sorry.
My point has apparently been lost - That war, as terrible as it is, isn't always the most terrible thing that could happen.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/25/2008 2:54:26 PM
no I get the point. war is better than the institution of slavery. I am thinking that is what you were getting at. I don't believe the civil war was fought over slavery. it contributed, but that wasn't the sole reason, and there is never a reason to slaughter over a million of your own countrymen.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/25/2008 3:07:41 PM
agreed. I don't believe in war. I mean, if you are attacked, then sure. but for no reason? no thanks. it's safer to keep the men here and much cheaper.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/25/2008 5:48:03 PM
we would still have a national government, but the roles would be reduced. washington is a gigantic unmanageable evil in this country. how is it we the people when an empty suit in washington is making 90% of the decisions for people in alabama. washington doesn't know what's good for alabama their representatives are just plain idiots. congress and the senate are out of touch. do you think that the people of a conservative state want socialists making nationwide decisions?
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