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 TheOneWho_
Joined: 3/22/2007
Msg: 40
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jmarquise said:
I disagree with all war. I want peace with all people. the civil war was a failure. abraham lincoln offered to buy the slaves freedoms. instead we killed hundreds and thousands of lives. if we had only talked, and compromised.
War is terrible. This is a universal truth.
It is also true that war is sometimes the best of the available options. As terrible as it is, war is not always the worst thing that could happen.

I want peace with all people also. I am also quite willing to stop anyone who will take my freedom or liberty.

If we had only talked and compromised? Talking had gone on for years, and both sides were certain they compromised much more than they should have.

Let's play a game... a game called "Let's compromise".
The rules are simple - the goal of one side is to have sex with your cute 8-year-old daughter (or son). Your goal is to reach an agreement; some type of compromise where all sides are happy. There are no other rules. Every option is available to you; everything from you providing the bed, anal-lube and soft lighting to clubs, knives, and guns & ammunition. The other side has all these things available, too.

How much do you compromise from your position of "No, absolutely NOT!" Is a little sex ok? Maybe just once to make the problem go away and avoid killing each other (war). C'mon, I'm sure some reasonable accommodation can be made.

You see, sometimes compromise is actually the worst thing you could do.
"Sorry son. He said it wouldn't hurt too much, and it really is for the best for everyone."
 itechman63
Joined: 7/7/2005
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Posted: 4/25/2008 1:11:31 PM
While that was a very uncomfortable analogy, evil exists and opportunities are seized. I think the thing suggested was not so much 'compromise' as much as 'flexible'. To not be so rigid that you become deaf and unyielding.

When suggested to speak with Iran, I don't think for a second that means to concede anything to Iran. Kind of like Carter with Hamas, "What do you want?". "Death to Israel". "Okay, do you validate parking?". Didn't solve anything, didn't hurt anything, but an enemy felt more than inanimate. Hamas will kill Carter last just because he talked to them.
 jmarquise
Joined: 1/27/2008
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Posted: 4/25/2008 1:27:38 PM
yeah, but he didn't provide the compromise of f u c k i n g someone your own age. also, there is a difference in talking and compromising and talking of compromise.
 TheOneWho_
Joined: 3/22/2007
Msg: 43
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Posted: 4/25/2008 2:19:18 PM
yeah, but he didn't provide the compromise of f u c k i n g someone your own age.
"Yea, but...." (oops!)
Sorry, substituting another is not among the options available to you. The rules are simple.



also, there is a difference in talking and compromising and talking of compromise.
Your 8-year-old kid's corn-hole is on the line here. The other side has clubs, knives, guns & ammo and is willing to use 'em... and you're quibbling about the difference between "and" and "of". Next you'll be talking about the difference between a mere 2" of penetration and a slightly more robust 6".

...or, you'll be dying as you listen to your kid screaming. Did I not mention there are worse things than war?
 jmarquise
Joined: 1/27/2008
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Posted: 4/25/2008 2:26:30 PM
so let me understand. you are comparing buying the slaves freedom, which was proposed by lincoln, instead of killing over a million people, to raping an 8 year old. I am really failing to make a connection here.
 TheOneWho_
Joined: 3/22/2007
Msg: 45
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Posted: 4/25/2008 2:43:41 PM

itechman42 said:
... I think the thing suggested was not so much 'compromise' as much as 'flexible'. To not be so rigid that you become deaf and unyielding.
Perhaps.
Unfortunatly, we can't know what is meant. We can only know what is said, then guess what is actually meant.

Your example of Iran is interesting. The whole world is saying "stop with the nuclear development". They are saying "F**k-off! We will continue development".
Several alternative methods for them to get nuclear power plants up & running have been offered if they would stop enriching Uranium. "F**k-off! We will continue enrichment."

Our choices are clear. They are either forcibly stopped, or they continue to enrich Uranium (and continue to develop nuclear weapons). If we negotiate, they continue. The longer we talk, the more enriched Uranium they have. Once they have enough, they have bombs very quickly (weeks to months).

I see Carter's 'negotiations' with Hamas as equivalent to 'negotiating' with a delegation from NAMBLA.
NAMBLA spokesman - "See? We're really not bad - an American president came to talk with us."
 jmarquise
Joined: 1/27/2008
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Posted: 4/25/2008 2:47:13 PM
I agree, back to the original topic. that is, would we be better dividing up into regions with more power and responsibility put on the individual?
 TheOneWho_
Joined: 3/22/2007
Msg: 47
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Posted: 4/25/2008 2:47:57 PM

What happened here?
Sorry.
My point has apparently been lost - That war, as terrible as it is, isn't always the most terrible thing that could happen.
 jmarquise
Joined: 1/27/2008
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Posted: 4/25/2008 2:54:26 PM
no I get the point. war is better than the institution of slavery. I am thinking that is what you were getting at. I don't believe the civil war was fought over slavery. it contributed, but that wasn't the sole reason, and there is never a reason to slaughter over a million of your own countrymen.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/25/2008 3:07:41 PM
agreed. I don't believe in war. I mean, if you are attacked, then sure. but for no reason? no thanks. it's safer to keep the men here and much cheaper.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/25/2008 5:48:03 PM
we would still have a national government, but the roles would be reduced. washington is a gigantic unmanageable evil in this country. how is it we the people when an empty suit in washington is making 90% of the decisions for people in alabama. washington doesn't know what's good for alabama their representatives are just plain idiots. congress and the senate are out of touch. do you think that the people of a conservative state want socialists making nationwide decisions?
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/26/2008 10:06:51 AM

What makes you think that the state of Texas will have any interest in in the good of the population of Alabama?


people in texas and alabama, for the most part, are going to have more in common with each other than say a state like new york.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/26/2008 10:28:58 AM
I am not saying to do it to have 4 totally different places. I am saying to do it because washington can't manage this country. it doesn't happen. I lived there the majority of my life. it's full of idiots.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/27/2008 8:26:13 AM
After the last election of Bush all the New England states (blue) wanted to secede to Canada. I had a bumper sticker on my car stating this fact, pulled into the courthouse parking lot where I work and someone took it off my car within 2 days. ***holes. A lot of people did leave I was told. We've been in the grip of a bunch of bible thumping saved folks who think they are infalible (they're nuts) following a recovered alcoholic (Bush) over the clift like lemings. I can't express how frightening all of this insanity is to me and others. I just pray this next election we get a moderate government again.


outside of all the family I have living in new england, I would not miss those states much if they did become a part of canada. they are a drain on the city I live in. people in new england don't want to move to canada, they all want to move to the south. why? low taxes. so they come here and vote in liberals. now taxes at the beach have gone up. thanks for that one! thanks for attempting to screw up another region. good luck getting a moderate in office, cause there isn't one who is running. they all scare the piss out of me.


I just pray this next election we get a far left government to undue the damage Bozo the Chimp has done to America


if you want far left, move to vermont. they have a socialist leader. if you are praying for far left, I also suggest you move to cuba of something. we don't need people like you here.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/27/2008 10:13:05 AM


.....vote in liberals....moderate in office.....they all scare the piss out of me

so poster has finally admitted what he wants ...not a moderate...not a liberal ...that leaves pretty much what we have criminal corporate stooges happy with the status quo
happy with having the s*h*i*t scared out of ya

If you want a far left,move to Vermont....praying for far left...We don't need people like you here.

The real feelings let out of the bag...huh..All this time playing the moderate saying you lived and know what every part of the country is like..But I guess you roots are showing.[quote/]


wow, I guess my first question would be, are you physically retarded, or just mentally retarded? copy and pasting selected words from my post and scrambling them to create an image to others? sweet tactic! I am impressed! I guess that's why you left school after 3rd grade, they couldn't teach you nuthin!

what are my "roots?" I would love to hear this. I never played the part of any moderate you dip s h i t. I have stated very clearly from day one everything about me. it's quite simple, but I will say it again real slow for you since the cold weather in minnesota has caused coagulation, and is slowing the flow of blood to your brain. I am a libertarian deist. I have lived in MI, VA, NC, PA, TN. never claimed anything else.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/27/2008 10:33:14 AM

Pardon me but I thought you wanted a democracy? What your advocating now sounds like a fascist style cleansing.


I never said I wanted democracy. when did you create that idea in your head? I want people and the government to follow the constitution and stop wasting so much money. also, this country has never been a democracy. we're a constitutional republic by definition.


I would direct you to the image, it turns out that New Hampshire, Connecticut, and Massachusetts are 3 of the top ten contributors to federal taxes vs users of the federal tax.

It's actually Republican states that have a tendency to spend more than they take in through taxes. Red states, drain money from Blue states.


I have no idea how this has any relevance to anything that has been talked about. no idea the point you were trying to make. nowhere in that statement did you make what could be considered a rational thought. I said that people relocate to the south from new england, mostly new york, due to high taxes. my complaint is that when they relocate, the vote in democrats. since I have lived here, my property taxes have tripled. that was the only point I made. every time I turn around, the democrats in office are proposing a new tax. this is my objection. once again, you throw in more information that means nothing to me. I am not a republican. I know they are just as wasteful as the democrats. I like the people who cut taxes and spending. that is the only way to balance anything. so, this agenda you seem to have to paint me as a right wing republican is failing.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/27/2008 6:11:05 PM

That's all cool. Most of my family is in Mississippi, Alabama, and I WOULD never, ever live there again . . .. . . Our average IQ around here in the Boston area is 135. That's 35+ over the plant life in your neck of the woods. Besides, we are armed as well as you are. Damnyankee is one word, and you can pay out of the nose for our biomedical, engineering, medical, robotix, Patriot missles, and everything else that starts here--the Athens of Americian--not Athens, GA, because of all the world's talent we draw in here and to the West Coast. Please, please just stay down south where you are.


hey big e. I have someone I want you to meet. it's a brain. perhaps if you met one, you could use one. I am willing to accept the fact that you are mentally retarded. anyone who reads your babble can gather that. it's obvious that you also appear to be illiterate. how sad for someone who comes from such an educated area. I am very happy that you claim to have humans smarter than plants in your surroundings. that is something to brag about. perhaps if you actually read my posts, you wouldn't appear so ignorant. I simply want a more manageable country. that's it. I also moved to the beach in NC for lower taxes. the influx of transplants has made my taxes go up. I thought that was pretty cut and dry. obviously not. read below for education.

I believe in small government, I believe in states rights, and I believe in low taxes and personal liberty. I was born in detroit, grew up in the suburbs of DC, lived in NC, PA, and TN. if you consider me a "southerner" because I grew up in VA, then fine. you make the claim that everything that starts there. biomedical, and engineering. not so much the case. biomedical is in raleigh, NC. the research triangle is home to duke, UNC, wake forest, NC state, and other institutions of higher learning. we would do fine without help. you talk of defense. well, I am from northern VA and I think that the pentagon is just fine for us. not to mention that we control the internet. I go to new england to see family. my uncle is a patent lawyer in boston, but he comes to raleigh because all his patents are for cisco.

if you try to knock the IQ of a virginian, then you are living in a dream world. what sort of intellectual did boston produce? john adams? which part of his intellect was ripped apart worse; when he told thomas jefferson(a virginian) that only a virginian could write the declaration of independence, or when he reported to george washington(a virginian)?

have a great evening sweetie.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/27/2008 6:18:13 PM

If you insult moderates and left wings. That only leaves one part of the spectrum for you.


nope. again you have failed in your quest. I try not to insult anyone unless they insult me. I disagree with the left wingers. the moderates in this country are also left leaning. to paint me as a right winger, I would have to be opposed to abortion, gay marriage, gay adoption, and a religious freak. I am none of these things. therefore you have painted yourself into a corner. you see a black and white world, I am a shade of gray.


my point is that if you're looking for leeches on the government system, you should be looking in the mirror.


I am assuming that this is a joke so I will let it slide. the only reason I look in the mirror is to masturbate.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/27/2008 6:51:33 PM

Don't worry jmarquise about northerners moving into your home turf. A foreclosure one, two or three, is probably coming to your neighborhood real soon. It'll drive your home equity down if you own your own outhouse. Then you can get a tax abatement from city hall and your taxes will be lower!


I own my house cash sweetie. sorry to disappoint you. nice try though. better luck next time playing the game! don pardow, tell her what she's won!
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/27/2008 8:52:00 PM
haha. I don't start pissing contests. I try to start threads to get people to think. to offer opinions. I respect opinions and anyone in here can tell you that. if you don't like the thread, don't comment.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/28/2008 7:57:39 AM
fissionmission, you should work for foxnews.

I got a more accurate song for you crash.

"ya'll don't know what it's like,
living without things that dips h i t s consider rights
"ya'll don't know what it's like,
working 10 hours during the day
another 4 hours at night

point being, I earned the right to say I own my house free and clear because I set a goal for myself. I made sacrifice after sacrifice. all those things that people take for granted, I lived without. hot water, power, cell phone, cable, just to name a few. don't hate on me because I accomplishing the goal I set for myself by putting false labels on me. I earned middle class status through hard work. being male and white isn't exactly a great thing. oh, and I don't have cable so I don't know what a ben folds is. guess I could look it up on the net.



I wasn't referring to you but your neighbors.


which one of my millionaire neighbors were you referring to? I live at the beach, I don't live in the sticks.
 jmarquise
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Posted: 4/28/2008 1:14:31 PM

poster is right it doesn't matter where you are raised you can still be bigoted regardless
even the insults are insulting...[I grew up in Virginia] stereotyping but this explains a lot the area you grow up and who your mentors are help shape your views


another bang up for fox news mr. hannity. next time, do a better job at editing though. I shaped my own views. the area of VA I grew up in is 10 minutes outside of DC, which is an incredibly liberal city. when you grow up in the heart of politics, you tend to form an accurate and negative opinion of politicians.
 GreenThumbz18
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Msg: 62
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Posted: 7/24/2015 7:21:02 PM
If a person joins a club or other group, can he leave that group if he decides to?
If Greece wanted to leave the EU could they do it?
America is a union of individual states, so if any state decides to exit the union then shouldn't they be able to do that?
 Graffiti_Poet
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Msg: 63
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Posted: 8/30/2015 10:21:01 AM
As a bit of an outsider I have to say having read a page or two of these comments that you ex-colonial folks do seem to have a bit of trouble getting along together. All this talk of war and fighting an all, not good, not good at all. If I might add my tuppence worth (or two cents worth as you Yankee doodles might call it), I think the problem stems from you exiting the British empire too soon and clearly far long before you were quite ready for such levels of independence.

You should give some serious consideration to making an application to rejoin our happy commonwealth of nations and joining Canada, Australia, New Zealand and a whole host of other happy and contented people living under the protective embrace of our much loved and much admired head of state, queen Elizabeth, or Madge as we like to call her when we go round for tea. I have no doubt that your application will be looked upon favourably as to be honest we kinda miss you as kooky as you all are.

Mind you, there will have to be a few changes (that goes without saying of course) but nothing that can't be done quite easily if you all put your mind to it. Number one change of course has to be putting back the missing 'u's into words like favour and neighbour. It's just soooo annoying and believe me Shakespeare is practically turning in his grave because of it. Secondly, we are going to have to deal once and for all with the problem with guns you have. I mean, what's with all this shooting your neighbours and kinsfolk going on now the cowboy days are over?. Sorry it's madness and it will have to stop or we will never let you back in. Why you can't all just get pretend guns and shout bang bang like we have to over here I do not know.

Finally, and I have to admit you have made some progress with this albeit not enough yet, finally you're going to have to put a stop to the waving snakes around in church malarkey. Jeeze, what is it with that?. Just sit down nicely in the pews and join in a few verses of all things bright and beautiful and I promise you baby Jesus is going to be far happier with you than he ever has been with you waving these dangerous rattlesnakes and such like about.

You all just take care of these one or two small things and you can rejoin our happy family and be as content and chilled out as your Canadian cousins are. Hope that helps. All the best GP
 00Spy
Joined: 4/13/2013
Msg: 64
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Posted: 11/12/2015 11:46:44 AM
Not so fast Graffiti it seems here in Western Canada we are not so enamoured with our confederation.
Seems that some of my western stable mates seek to become the 51st state of the
See this Face Book group;
Union.https://www.facebook.com/groups/898337380260662/

I was joined to this group by someone else about the time of the recent Canadian election.
Quite amusing all this.
Think off the possibilities though... were we the 51st state we could hook up the pipeline direct to Houston and not involve the state department.
Oh say can you see.....
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