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 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
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Re: Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child MolestorsPage 3 of 13    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13)
checked into what????,...

laws,...pertaining to what???????????,...

 marita_b
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Re: Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 11/24/2005 7:55:57 AM
and have you or anyone who knew this man warned the next state?

like I said before anyone who knows and does nothing is as responsible,....

sorry but that includes you if you have done nothing,....since you clearly KNOW!! dixlyn

so how fine is it with the family of his next victims,....

In your country he has 50 whole states to go through,....
what if each is just happy he's not in theirs????? and leaves it at that,....

letting the next guy worry about something he doesn't know is coming is not fair,...

infact down right irrisponsible,.....sometimes it doesn't just take a villiage to raise a child,...
it takes one caring enough to raise one safe,...

Some years back when I was in my twenties I lived in a small,...adult only appartment building,....and one night I was awakened by the sounds of a baby crying,..crying in pain,...

For a while I had that worked into my dreamstate but once I awoke,...I went to see where this crying was coming from,....turned out to be an appartment down the hall,...

I bannged on the door demanding to know what was going on,...the meek voice of what I assumed was the mother appologized and said she was visiting there and her baby was fussing she was doing her best to settle her down,....

Now many people would have left it at that,...I am not many people,...and I know the difference between fussy and pain,...so I told the young woman she had two options,...open the door for me so I could verify this for myself,..or open the door for the police a few minutes later,....she went for door number one,...

The baby was indeed in pain,...from teething and this young mother had no idea what to do,...so I took the baby from her,...(with her permission,..I'm not that pushy,...) ,...made her a cup of tea,...and walked the little one a while untill she calmed down,..then I went to the pharmacy for baby anusol for the teathing that she was suffering from and some gripe water for the colic which ensued from the crying,...all of us were sound asleep 2 hours later,...and this was a very small thing to to to solve this situation,...but when we just sit behind our doors or computers and do nothing but complain,....nothing is acomplished and everybody looses,... sometimes it's not so bad being a busybody,..the variable is the intent,....
 marita_b
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Re: Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 11/24/2005 8:34:48 AM
with all the smart people we have out there surely something can and should be done,...there are many options,....one is being more vigelant with our children,....
do you know how many women and men who stay at home with theirs and wind up looking after half the neighbours kids there are left

and how that merely staying home and raising your own kids instead of going out to earn enough money to pay some stranger to do it for you are looked down upon,...as lazy gadabouts who don't work,...etc,...etc,...etc,...

first we have to value something enough,...to do all we can to look after it......
babysitters,...nanny's,...day care workers even regular school teachers have always been among the lowest paid group out there...... why? until that changes,...wich I don't see happening anytime soon,....

And then there's putting presure on politicians to put pressure on police,...and so on and so on and so on,...are you a part of youor neighbourhood watch??,...

but to say well,...that's all we can do,.....

sounds like giving up to me,...do we value our children or don't we,....

I know we love them,...but how about they get one nintendo less and more care instead,...
there are always options,.....all that's required to find them,...is the desire to settle for nothing less,...
 Tinkle
Joined: 11/2/2005
Msg: 59
What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 11/24/2005 3:52:21 PM
Let scientist do experiments on them rather than animals. That way we benifit from their existence and kill less innocent animals. Plus, it is a better test subject since it's part of our species. If they grow a huge tumor on their ass and die from some super powerful hemoroid, good.
 Little Lady
Joined: 4/2/2005
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What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 11/24/2005 4:06:02 PM
They did that once to a convicted criminal in the US. After his death they froze his body and shaved it slice by slice to completly document the entire human body. His name is with held due to the refusal to allow him any 'fame'. The information has been very useful to the medical industry.
So there is precidence and there should be more of it. I understand he volunteered for it because he 'Found God', what ever reason it is fantastic information.
 marita_b
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What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 11/24/2005 4:55:27 PM
How does loosing an ovary constitute punishment?

I can't speak for the ol' testies but do you know how many women out there who incidentially never did anything to anyone,....don't have any? it's a virtuall epedemic,...
 Little Lady
Joined: 4/2/2005
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Posted: 11/24/2005 7:00:14 PM
The teacher should have brought her suspicions of the child being sexually active, to the attention of the child's parents or a superior in the school. Not distroy a child.
 marita_b
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Posted: 11/25/2005 5:12:38 AM
in fact a teacher is bound by LAW,...
to notify the authority if he/she suspects any abuse of any child,....
and sex with an underage child IS against the law and ultimately abuse,...
regardless of the response or lack ther of from the child involved,...

reason being an underage child does not have the legal right to say yes,..to anyone,...

that's why when they commit offenses they are treated as children not adults,..
which in my opinion is as it should be ne matter how manny times this is thrown out and disregarded,....
 judythecutey
Joined: 12/8/2005
Msg: 64
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Posted: 12/14/2005 8:15:00 AM
Life without parole.
Sterilization simply means they can not impregnate anyone..Castration usually means chemical castration and they do not stay on the medication..How many do not even regsiter, or see the parlole officer?. In some instances where chemical or actual castration was used. (removal).. The individuals were still violent.and some used objects, instead.
There is nothing definitively known way to to "cure" a rapist or pedophile...so life.
Jmo J
 Tails76
Joined: 11/6/2005
Msg: 65
What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 12/14/2005 3:15:40 PM
Sean Connery: "I'll take The Rapist for $400."

Alex Trebek: "... that's Therapist..."


 quicksilverconvert
Joined: 5/25/2005
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Re: What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 12/15/2005 6:01:22 AM
But........what of NAMBLA?


NAMBLA receives support from many of our "free thinking" socialist Brothers in the Movement and seems to be an accepted part of "Gay Outreach" Programs funded by many public school systems.It seems to be somehow, un-PC, to trample on the sexual rights and sophistocated needs of NAMBLA members in our zeal to protect children from somthing that many NAMBLA members consider a "Natural series of events."


What of NAMBLA's "rights?"


What happened to "Embracing Diversity?"
 marita_b
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Re: What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 12/15/2005 7:03:50 AM
the interesting thing is right here there is another thread that discusses if a woman who married a 15 year old boy should have been charged with something,...according to the law in her state any child of any age does not require parental conscent even to marry if there is a pregnancy involved,...

in this case the 37 year old WOMAN is very pregnant from her 15 year old husban who was most likely at least 14 when this IMO molestation began,...

and it's now perfectly legal,....way to go eh?

stupidity?,....absurdity?.....molestation?,.....but deffinately abuse,....and,.....legal,.....sheeesh

So I guess Mary Kay Laterno's mistake was living in the wrong state,.....

seems to me you have 50 countries with very different laws all living under one flagg,.....
what a confusing,....mess
 Hill_Valley_Hick
Joined: 8/31/2005
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Posted: 1/1/2006 3:59:48 PM
Life in prison without the possibility of parole.
 Hill_Valley_Hick
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Posted: 1/1/2006 8:05:38 PM
Here in NS it is the same way. A buddy of mine though administered some vigilante justice. When he was 17 a pedophile tried to rape him the pedophile failed thank God. So when the pedophile had to do some short jail time (not for trying to lure my friend into his house but an incident in which he exposed himself to a young girl, (he was a biped liked boys and girls)) my friend decided to get revenge. He first asked around the neighbourhood just to get a feel for what ppl would think. He said in a store "oh i see "Chester the molester" has moved in to the neighbourhood" and ppl would say "yep and we arent pleased about it" and my buddy says "wouldn't it be a shame if someone burnt down his house" they said (sarcastically) " oh my it would be a terrible shame (laughing). nothing that good ever happens." Well a few days later the pedophiles house went up in smoke and they had to keep him in jail because he had no place to live. He was on house arrest by the way for another sex crime. he ended up spending a year or two in jail. not good but it was one year he was off the streets and my buddy probably saved the virginity of dozens of children. I would nominate him for citizen of the year.
 Hill_Valley_Hick
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Posted: 1/2/2006 5:35:25 AM
maybe it was a bit risky but it kept the molester off the street so kudos do the arsonist. if the police did their job then he wouldn't have had to burn down the pedophile's house. Let's just say that the police didn't investigate this crime do heavily.
 Hill_Valley_Hick
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Posted: 1/2/2006 12:28:59 PM
lol. As long as you aren't a pedophile you have nothing to fear. People in nova scotia are actually quite nice. most ppl wouldn't go to that length but hey the guy was a pedophile so he got what he deserved. Unfortuately hes back out again and this time he is in an apartment so the townspeople can't smoke him out again. i wish he would just leave glace bay, there is no place in canada for pedophiles. there is really no place on earth for them actually.
 Hill_Valley_Hick
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Posted: 1/2/2006 1:03:51 PM
Pedophilia is one of the worst crimes you can commit. If someone tried to rape me i would probably burn their house down too. If you rape a child you should get life in prison. Since the police won't do their jobs (or maybe its the courts our justice system is pathetic) the citizens administer their own brand of justice. Pedophilia is really the only thing that is universally condemned around here. We have other criminals like drug dealers and no one burns their house down. Besides you don't look like a criminal Nova Scotia is not a bad place. Children have a right to grow up in a molester-free neighbourhood. It is a basic human right.
 RFlagg
Joined: 10/21/2005
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Posted: 1/3/2006 4:10:48 AM
Ugh ... what a hard topic. Please forgive the "hypothetical" nature of this post, as I cannot in good conscience speak of actual events of this nature that have occurred to my family/friends.


Re: The Age of Consent in Canada
Years ago I read the rules on Age of Consent and was surprised at the fact that children under 14 could not be charged with a sexual assault, even if they "raped" a child of 10 or even younger. This rule appears to have been changed since I last read the rules, but not much.

Now, the age of consent for everyone is pretty much 14 years old. To this, there are allowances for a child of as young as 12 years old being able to "consent" so long as the "partner" is not more than two years older and not in any position of authority.


There are some allowances for not knowing someone's age. E.g., an 18 year old meets someone who says they are 15 ... they have sex, but then it is discovered the younger person was only 13. So long as the 18 year old can show they made a reasonable effort to determine the child's age, they would get off.

The thing is, there is no legal difference (in Canada at least) between an 18 year old and someone who is 65 (or even older). If there was, that would be age discrimination, which is protected by the Bill of Rights. Thus, while the law is intended to protect against unnecessary prosecution of young people engaging in teenage sex, the result is that 14 is basically the age of consent in Canada.


Re: Sentences for Sexual Crimes against Children (under 14 or under 18)
Sexual Interference: (Sexual Contact with someone under 14) Max 10 years
Invitation to Sexual Touching: (Enticing Sexual Contact; Under 14) Max 10 years
Sexual Exploitation: (Sexual Contact; Under 18; Person in Authority) Max 5 years
Incest: (No age specifications) Max 14 years
Anal Sex: (No age specifications, but some exceptions) Max 10 years
Bestiality: (No age specifications) Max 10 years
Distribution of Child Pornography: (Persons under 18) Max 10 years
Possession of Child Pornography: (Persons under 18) Max 5 years


Okay, so tell me this: Why is Incest, which could occur between two consenting adults (no provision is made for age), assigned a maximum of 14 years in jail potentially for both participants, and yet Sexual Interference, which is against someone under 14 has a maximum sentence of only 10 years? Does anyone else see an inconsistency here?

I am not saying we should reduce the penalty for incest, but should not sexual crimes against children carry a greater weight than what happens between adults? Admittedly Incest between a parent and a child would be most heinous, but at the same time, that would still qualify as Sexual Interference and would receive the higher sentence when the age difference warrants.


Also, in Canada at least, distribution of Child Pornography carries a maximum 10 years. Note: this is not the creation of Child Porn (although it could be), this is the distribution of obscene material without necessarily involving a child. That gets you up to 10 years, which well it should (granting certain exceptions). But for actually touching and molesting a child (Sexual Interference) a person gets the same maximum (10 years)!


While I hear everyone who says “kill them”, the fact is the Laws of Western Society do not even come close to this. I have heard of Life sentences when a criminal is given a “Dangerous Offender” status, but to get that, most of these monsters have to have committed multiple crimes.


When less egregious crimes receive the same or greater sentences than the most egregious, something is wrong, or at least not consistent in the law. It seems to me that here is where we can make some kind of positive change.

Everyone has an Representative in Government at the level which makes laws like this. Contact them. Send a letter stating clearly that you feel the sentence does not fit the crime. Someone else mentioned how petty theft gets the same sentence as molesting a child. Let the Government know that that is not acceptable. That to protect out children, the crimes against children must receive greater sentencing, even graduated sentencing (i.e., adding offences together for longer terms, so that someone who abuses a child might get up to 20 years for that, but if they are ALSO a person of authority when they do it, they get another 5 years tacked on top).

I would love to see child molestation be a capitol crime, yet personally, I know that would never fly. But I can see the discrepancies in the law right now. If we will give 14 years to consenting adults, it should not be difficult to justify giving that much or more to child molesters. (I would like to see the max raised to 20 years or more.) Also, I think making child pornography involving real children should be a separate crime or qualify as Sexual Interference and receive the same (20+ year) maximum.

And I have expressed these concerns to my local representatives, who seem to be in agreement, but because of Party Politics, unless the Government changes, the laws will probably remain the same.


One anecdote for those who might be interested:
Conversation between two people I knew: a woman concerned about her child’s welfare and a Criminal Lawyer friend.

Woman: “If anyone ever raped my daughter, I would take a shot gun and blow off his kneecaps.”
Lawyer: “If you did that, you would go to jail, but if you killed him, you would get off.”
Woman: “How would I get off if I killed him? Isn’t that worse?”
Lawyer: “Sure it is, but if he is dead, then you and your daughter are the victim, and the jury will sympathize with you. If you only wound him, then he will be in the court room and the jury will consider him as the victim.”

Sad, but true.


Good Luck!

P.S. Just in case I have misinterpreted any of the Criminal Code, you can check the law here: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/c-46/42339.html
 sammysalt1
Joined: 12/17/2005
Msg: 74
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Posted: 1/3/2006 7:16:54 AM
This will piss off a few, but I think they need fixed where they can't get hard no more. Knowing that was going to happen when they get caught, they might think twice about doing it. It wont stop all of them, because they would use other things, but it sure would cut the number of them doing it down. Yes i know that wont ever happen, but I think it should.
 sammysalt1
Joined: 12/17/2005
Msg: 75
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Posted: 1/3/2006 8:12:46 AM
I didn't know what saltpeter did, and if it had to kept be giving to them, if so what good is it. I mean something that last their life time. Like say a operation. The kids rember for life, so they should to.
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
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Posted: 1/3/2006 12:45:11 PM
I am submitting this post at the behest of someone who e-mailed me to do this,..not sure why he wishes not to submit this under his name but ,...

Basically the problem is,..that a close family member,...he recently found out was molested by 2 individuals when she was very young,...her abusers have both since past away and he is,...(understandibally so ) angry enough to want to dig them up and kill them again,...

An impulse many can relate to on a visceral level but would in fact serve no purpose,...

hence he desires to be put down for,...kill the SOB's

***on a personal note the woman who was abused by people who should have been there to protect her from such monsters,....is dealing with what sounds like to me repressed memories that are surfacing,...perha0ps by the death / funeral of the offenders,....I have no facts to base this on,.....however,....the main focus from both of these people the concerned relative and the victim,...need to understand that this is something she is going to have to work through hopefully with professionals,....all the relative can do is be there for her,...and listen if she is at a point where she can share what happened,....

Being as the offenders are dead and some states actually have a statute of limitations for prosecuting the offenders,...some actually didn't have the appropriate "criminal" laws on the books at the time of the offence,...and therefore also can't be dragged into court,...

I dare say the frustration and depression upon learning this fact from the standpoint of the victim,.....may far outweigh the frustration this individual feels currently whith the notice that these particular offenders death,....at least they can't hurt anyone ever again,....

not so,..... for someone who's above ground and won the game of,... beat the clock,....



 Le Roi
Joined: 11/19/2005
Msg: 77
What Is An Appropriate Punishment For Rapists And Child Molestors
Posted: 1/3/2006 12:52:45 PM
I would have to say capital punishment.
 justjazz
Joined: 9/8/2005
Msg: 78
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Posted: 1/3/2006 1:01:22 PM
I just hope and pray that I will never ever have to deal with this with my children. That day someone goes to prison. I hope it is the flotsam of life that hurt my child.
 RUMYCALIQUEEN
Joined: 9/15/2005
Msg: 79
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Posted: 1/5/2006 11:47:56 PM
The solution to this problem would be like they do it in other countries......it is cut off!!!
 Hill_Valley_Hick
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Posted: 1/6/2006 3:21:00 PM
if you support those treatments of sex offenders why do you oppose vigilante justice. I tend to agree though pedophiles can't be rehabilitated. We should just kill them or lock them up forever.
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