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 Beaugrand®™©
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If the Government mandated a national 50 or 55 mph speed limit on vehicles heavier than a medium size sedan- say, 4,000 lbs Gross Vehicle Weight Rating- and allowed lighter vehicles to drive 65+, would you keep using your SUV, or trade it for something you can drive faster?
 Internetdatingpariah
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Posted: 5/21/2008 3:45:58 AM
Hmmm...would that mandate include semi's?
Or big assed pick up trucks? I'm not sure why SUVs get all the attention when many pick ups are larger. I'm also aware of sedans that get less gas mileage than our CRV so why not include them as well? My wife drives the CRV, but since 99% of all our driving is around town it would not be an issue.
 Beaugrand®™©
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Posted: 5/21/2008 8:21:29 AM
As stated in the original post, ANY vehicle over 4,000 lbs GVWR. That probably includes Buick Centurys and anything bigger:



vehicles heavier than a medium size sedan- say, 4,000 lbs Gross Vehicle Weight Rating-


18-wheelers already have speed restrictions of 5-10 mph slower than passenger cars in most states.

SUVs get more than their share of bashing because the drivers are so much more arrogant and obnoxious- most of the vehicles speeding past me on the freeway at 20 mph over the posted limit are SUVs, nonchalantly wasting gas, cell phone apparently glued to the driver's ear.


Put a friggin govener on ALL vehicles that won't allow them to go more than 60...except emergency vehicles and such.
This would serve many a purpose.


Some of those big 18 wheelers do have speed governors. It's not unheard of for fleet vehicles.

My first Freightliner was geared, not governed, for a top speed of 65 mph.
 Beaugrand®™©
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Posted: 5/21/2008 12:03:28 PM
I'd say if the government tried that crap, there would more than likely be a revolt.
Similar to the tax revolt, when my state government tried to implement a state tax.
There are larger vehicles; semis, cubes, rec. vehicles.


So, given a choice between

1.) driving slower (in the slow lane with those semis, cubes, rec. vehicles), maybe pushing gas prices lower, or

2.) driving fast and paying a lot more for gas,

you'd rather waste money and go fast?

(Not to worry, the Bush administration is completely subservient to oil companies, and won't lift a finger to help consumers.)

(Choice #3 is parking it, because you can't afford gas and can't sell it.)
 Beaugrand®™©
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Posted: 5/21/2008 4:03:44 PM
Try this


http://forum.ecomodder.com/showthread.php/ecomodding-256.html?t=256


for information about modifications to improve mileage. Just about any vehicle can benefit from some simple-to-do aerodynamic mods, like using smaller mirrors, adding skirts over the rear wheel openings, fabricating an air dam, etc. Detroit won't do this for you because- well, some people think it looks "dorky."

The biggest challenge to improving the aerodynamics of an SUV is the boxy shape of the tail. If you can add a "kammback" (look it up) it would help. The rest is a matter of smoothing out the parts that interrupt air flow. It doesn't have to cost an arm and a leg. Duct tape and "Corroplast" are your friends... duct tape is fairly waterproof and comes in many colors now. Lowering the vehicle would help; this can be done cheaply by using smaller diameter tires (but this messes with the gear ratios and the speedometer/odometer calibrations).

I've started working on a $500 beater Ford Ranger to see how I can improve the mileage, got it cheap because the diff is ruined. I'll see how difficult it is to change the axle ratio, since I have to replace the ring & pinion anyway. It shouldn't be too hard to make some aero mods, starting with a teardrop or "boattail" shape over the bed using marine plywood and spruce formers. I may start a blog to document this.



When you say a Century, you're talking an older style with a steel frame and body. A newer one wouldn't be close to 4,000, my Explorer hits just about 4,800.

Actually my 1992 Century is a unibody car, built on the GM "A-body" platform (pretty much unchanged from 1982 to 1996 except for a slight styling and wheelbase change in 1989).
Curb weight is 2,950#, GVWR is 4,175# (this information is located on the sticker on the inside of the driver's door of any car sold in North America).
GVWR is "Gross Vehicle Weight Rating," the maximum combined weight for the vehicle plus passengers, luggage, and fuel.
So yes, I'd be relegated to the "slow" lane, along with other GM "A-bodies," like Chevrolet Celebrity, Pontiac 6000, Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera and Cutlass Cruiser. And some smaller SUVs may under the 4,000# GVWR limit, so this is not about "SUV bashing" so much as "big heavy gas-guzzler bashing."
 h0ldfast
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Posted: 5/21/2008 4:14:23 PM
Heavier vehicles should also pay higher tolls and parking passes, be restricted from some roads or lanes and require special, more expensive licenses with more stringent driver tests. Separating heavy and light vehicles would be a great step forward, not only for fuel economy, but for safety. One of the disincentives for people to use smaller, more environmentally friendly vehicle is that in a collision with an SUV, a small car stands a good chance of being totaled and the driver killed. Also, big SUVs and pickups seem to come with an aggressive attitude, probably because they get bought by people who are "compensating".
 Beaugrand®™©
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Posted: 5/21/2008 4:56:53 PM

If a person has the income to pay for the gas then it should not matter what they drive.

Google "Peak Oil," then check the recent history of gas prices. Wasting gas is costing all of us.
 Beaugrand®™©
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Posted: 5/21/2008 10:14:55 PM
I've suggest to local "planners" that some of the parking lots at our failing malls could be leased and made into "Park 'n' Rides," to promote mass transportation; the response: "Oh, people don't want to ride the bus, and we don't have enough buses and drivers anyway."
 Ottawa_Chicklet
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Posted: 5/22/2008 5:31:13 AM

You know........I'm all for going green...recycling....the enviornment....Etc......However...I was in a severe accident..... Went off a cliff ....rolled...flipped , end to end...over and over again.......The only thing intact after that.......was ME and the driver's area.....I know I was saved by the size of my SUV.....Now , when I'm in a small car.....I'm terrified !!!
Sooo .....Yes...I WILL keep my SUV.........At Any expense......


It rolled over because it WAS an SUV. You do realize that this IS a big problem with SUV design, right?
 Beaugrand®™©
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Posted: 5/22/2008 5:40:46 AM

I have been thinking about a cycle and trailer ~ wonder if I could fit it with a ladder rack?

You might try a motorcycle/sidecar rig, they make "utility" sidecars for carrying cargo, might work for ladders. Ural makes a 2wd "Sport utility" sidecar, not sure what the mpg is.
 Ottawa_Chicklet
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Posted: 5/22/2008 6:04:54 AM

It's going to open things back up for the small independent business person. ~ It will be slow in changing ~ but things as we now know then must and will change. ~ Walmart will be required to change some. ~ Perhaps more speciality neighborhood stores again? ~ How about a good old fashion Shoe store and really good shoes, made in America ~ or a Bait and Tackle shop? We are going to see it ~ In our lifetime. It will be interesting to watch ~


I think you're right. Gone will be international markets, while things will be produced and sold locally, I think.

I'd also like to add that suburbia will mostly die, too.
 TheLimey
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Posted: 5/22/2008 8:14:57 AM
Want to REALLY cut the amount of fuel pissed away in the US? Change the INSANE law that prevents cars such as diesel corollas, camry's, sentra's etc that get 50mpg being sold in the US.
& that goes for all the Japanese pickups etc inclusing the Ford/Mazda Ranger & vehicles like the Toyoya 4runner etc.

But nothing will be done because the average American voter is too ****ing dumb to get off their fat ass & do anything... as usual...
 Beaugrand®™©
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Posted: 5/22/2008 8:31:50 AM
Diesels don't have an enthusiastic following in the US for a number of reasons, but the biggest has to do with the absolutely horrible diesel V8s made by GM in the late 1970s. If they hadn't cut corners, resulting in thousands of headgasket failures, they may have been more popular, and carmakers would have scrambled to make them comply with US pollution laws. Send your criticism to Bob Lutz at GM, he really likes hearing from us. http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/
 scorpiomover
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Posted: 5/22/2008 7:26:47 PM
Why not just put radio/wireless transmitters on roads to tell the cars what the speed limit is, fit a similar receiver on cars to pick up the signal and the speed limit, and then the car itself would show you how fast you can go on the dashboard, stop you driving beyond the speed limit, and automatically slow the car down when you go from a 50-mph zone to a 30-mph zone?

Then you can drive as fast as you want on the Autobahn, do 80-mph in Texas, and still only be able to drive the maximum speed limit wherever you are. Since most speed limits are designed to avoid accidents, such as a 20mph speed limit in a school area where kids are around, lives will be saved. If you want to drive fast in a school zone at 10pm at night, when there are no school kids around, then the transmitter for that area could transmit different speed limits for different times of the day. It could even be adjusted for accidents, and for roadworks.
 Beaugrand®™©
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Posted: 5/22/2008 8:55:35 PM

I was just teasting about the ladder rack ~ but a nice utility scooter/bike, is something people could really use ~ would be a good idea. ~ Someone need to make one, a SUV scooter
Check out the Yahoo Cabin Scooters group. Some of us are working on it.
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Posted: 5/23/2008 4:46:43 AM
just dump the 5 mpg SUV's for an oil burner - getting around 52-53 mpg driving whatever speed I want, A/C seems to cost me 10% fuel, driving with the windows open costs me 25% fuel

I do use cruise control as it is easier

We get trucks on the M11 - 2 lane motorway, the empty trucks trying to overtake the full ones, so everyone seems to go at truck speeds for 30 miles and most people way too close
 Beaugrand®™©
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Posted: 5/23/2008 7:58:32 AM

you think about it ~ and look at the traffic as you move about ~ we are using a 3200 pound to 4800 a pound devise to transporting a human being weighing anywhere from 120 pounds to 320 pounds ~ this really makes "no" sense and never did. We just fell it love with our Buicks! ~ In the early 50's we drove around with a couch to sit on.
Exactly the philosophy we have adopted at the Cabin Scooters group: instead of "how many cup holders can we put in here?" we adopt the philosophy of "just enough, only what we need."

I drive myself to work in one of those 3,000# Buicks, and it doesn't make sense at all. What I need is "just enough" to keep me warm and dry in the winter, relatively cool in the summer, single seat, with enough cargo space for a toolbox or briefcase, and a lunch bag. Okay, maybe a cramped back seat, sometimes I might want company.

It doesn't have to carry ladders or sheets of plywood or haul a boat, it just needs to get me to work- curb weight of 700-900# should do it, I'm hoping to keep the price under $8500 in 2008 US dollars. Shooting for 100 mpg+ initially, 300 mpg eventually (that would be the "Dalnik" project).
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Posted: 5/23/2008 2:21:40 PM

Put a friggin govener on ALL vehicles that won't allow them to go more than 60...


YEAH!

And well your at it, tap my phone, I have nothing to hide. And feel free to search my apartment any time you like (oh yeah they can already do that now… sneak and peak warrants)

Oh heck just put a RF chip in my neck and a shock belt around my waste and get it over with.

F-ing sheeple.

Yeah bigger more intrusive government evolvement, that will fix the problem every time.


nonchalantly wasting gas


Funny did you pay for that gas? Or did they pay for it? Who are you to tell others how they can spend there money? Who’s next? The weekend jet skiers, the winter snowmobiles, the people with powerboats instead of sail boats, private planes?

Who gets to be the all powerful arbitrator of gas? What makes you the gas god to decide who is “wasting” gas and who has a right to use it?


you'd rather waste money and go fast


Again who are you to decide how anyone else spends there money. Only the person spending the money can decide if they are wasting it or not it depends on what they think they are getting, in this case getting where ever they are going a few seconds earlier is worth to them. It’s not your call, your not paying for it.
 Beaugrand®™©
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Posted: 5/23/2008 5:22:16 PM

Again who are you to decide how anyone else spends there money. Only the person spending the money can decide if they are wasting it or not it depends on what they think they are getting, in this case getting where ever they are going a few seconds earlier is worth to them. It’s not your call, your not paying for it.

There are times when, yes, it is my business how you spend your money. If you buy kiddie porn, if you buy crack, if you pay for hookers, if you buy stolen merchandise, and yes, if you drive too fast and if you waste gas and cause the price of my gas to increase and pollute the air I breathe- yes, it's my business, and everyone else's. As I've mentioned in another post, if everyone was capable of rational choices, there would be no alcoholism, no drug abuse, no prostitution or illegal gambling, and traffic cops would write a bunch less tickets.
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Posted: 5/24/2009 7:45:06 AM
I'm finding this whole "big car vs. little car" argument to be less and less about fuel economy than it is an issue of one group of people trying to force EVERYONE to be just like them, like only what they like, approve of only what they approve of!

I just read this article:
Mileage will be better--on virtually all cars. The new rules will directly mandate higher fuel economy. For passenger cars introduced as 2016 models, fleetwide mileage must be 39 miles per gallon or better. SUVs and pickup-truck fleets must average 30 mpg. Combined, that's an average of 35 mpg for all cars in an automakers' lineup.

In the past, required mileage increases have been structured in a way that allowed automakers to offset low mileage vehicles like SUVs by building lots of higher-mileage economy cars, even if they were unpopular and the manufacturers took a loss on them. That's one reason the Detroit automakers became overreliant on big vehicles. But the new rules will be different, and will basically require every vehicle category to become more efficient. The details aren't yet final, but an SUV that currently averages 16 mpg may have to average 19 or 20 mpg by 2015. A minivan averaging 19 mpg now may have to get 23 or 24 mpg. A small runabout getting 30 mpg may be required to average 36 or 37 mpg by 2015.


Well, I have some news for the Anti- big vehicle folks!!! I ditched a 4 cylinder Pontiac Sunfire in January 2008 and bought myself ANOTHER pick up truck. Granted, it's a GMC Canyon (a mid-sized truck) with a 5 cylinder engine.....BUT...I average 3 MPG MORE on fuel than I did in the "death trap". Lucky to get 20 mpg in the Sunfire....I regularly average (YES, I have a log in my glove box and I record my gas milage and maintenance expenses) 22 to 25 mpg in my "pick up". Ohhhh, and I have the full size crew cab and 2 more doors , so add a little additional weight that I'm pushing down the highway.

My point is, that the gas milage on my truck is NOT that far off of what these "small, fuel efficient cars" get.....AND....now, ADD to that.....the Insurance Class. I was shocked....literally shocked....when I replaced the "liability only" on my Sunfire (the vehicle was paid off) with FULL coverage on the new pick up truck. My insurance premiums DROPPED by over 60%....and that was comparing liability only...to FULL coverage!!! What I saved in Insurance premiums in the last year has PAID for the 5 mpg that the government wants built into new vehicles....plus an extra $200 per year!

Not one to look a gift horse in the mouth...but I was curious about WHY the insurance was so much cheaper on my newer, more expensive truck. Falling back on my Dad's agrument (he's 76 yrs old) from when I was MUCH younger....and "unibodies" were first being introduced....it's because....they ARE "death traps". Ok, so, I looked up safety records about pick up trucks and the news was NOT encouraging! BUT...all the hoopla was that....trucks have a higher center of gravity (well, duhhhh) and are more prone to rolling over. Gosh....I rolled my first vehicle (I was 18)...it was a Volvo that got over 40 MPG!!! (that was in 1971). Now coming up on my concerns and arguments.....when I was 18 yrs old....it was "cool" to stuff 11 people in my 5 passenger Volvo.... and smuggle them into the Drive In Theatre....and then let em out of the trunk after we were in! (That was BEFORE the flat rate for a carload days.) But people....I'm 56 yrs old now! I have enough hardware in my back to build a small building, it's extremely difficult for me to plop DOWN into one of these little Matchbox cars....and even harder for me to hoist my butt back OUT of it! The seats on literally maybe 2 inches off the floor.....so you have little choice of how to position your legs....which DOES effect the strain put on your back.

People with 4 children???? Tell me that we're not discriminating against them? Oppppssss, guess you're supposed to either stop with 3....or be divorced! (not enough seatbelts for a FAMILY of 6) Ohhhh, and NOW....we have the law going into effect that ALL "Children"...up to age 12 have to be in a child safety seat!!! Well dang.....get these kids OUT of these "unibody" (frameless) lightweight , fuel efficient vehicles that disintegrate on a 30 mph impact and we wouldn't have so many traffic fatalities. BTW....even though a pick up has a higher risk of rolling.....passengers are SAFER and suffer fewer and more minor injuries in the majority of accidents. (There's your answer as to why the insurance is cheaper)

Another item of interest: My Uncle...who is 82 yrs old.....has the same truck, same year, same engine....and he complains about how bad his gas mileage is. He drives 1/2 the time with his foot on the brake!!!

Another group being discriminated against: Campers. You're not going to pull a 30' camping trailer too far down the road in a Nissan Altima. But, you know...that's ok....because those in power don't like camping anyway.

So, yes....I can see that it makes perfect sense to discriminate against families....and old people....so that Generations X and Y can suck up more gasoline at lower prices. What is OUR problem that we're not willing to suffer a few aches and pains and inconveniences so that they can drive 25,000 miles per year.....compared to MY 8,000 miles per year? By all means....take my Granny truck away from me....cause I don't need to take my grandkids camping a few times a summer...and if my back aches.....what do they care...they have places to go and they don't want me consuming THEIR fuel....or even having the remotest possibility that I might want to.
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Posted: 5/25/2009 9:12:59 PM
So much misinformation, so little time.

Most fatalities don't occur at 70 or 80 miles per hour. They occur on congested roads where it's impossible to get up to that speed, or in side impacts at intersections. So governing vehicles to 60 or 65 miles per hour isn't going to have much effect on the fatality rate.

Free-flowing intakes and exhausts enable engines to produce more power. Not better mileage. Ever hear of a throttle? A vehicle uses maybe 20% if the installed horsepower to cruise, the throttle is 80% closed and the air/exhaust flowrates are so small that flow resistance is negligible.

Most back-wheel drive cars are equipped with electric fans now. The ones which are belt-driven are usually either clutched or variable pitch so as to consume no more power than necessary.

Most every modern gas engine is also equipped with a knock sensor, to take advantage of however much octane is in the tank at the moment. But again, it's something which only affects power output, not fuel economy.

The only time a larger vehicle is more crashworthy is when it's compared to a smaller vehicle and all other things are equal. (which they seldom are) In a collision with the Earth, (such as the rollover described by boredbroad) the weight is irrelevant, and, as previously mentioned, in a vehicle not penalized by the chassis dynamics of a sport-futility vehicle, the crash might not have occurred at all.
For a dramatic counterexample, see the Fifth Gear crash test of a Volvo 940 estate vs a Renault Modus at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3ygYUYia9I . Even though the Volvo is easily a thousand pounds heavier, the driver of the Renault fares much better.

There's no law preventing passenger-car Diesel engines. The price of fuel in the U.S. is just so low that there isn't much economic incentive to buy a Diesel engine, and there isn't much incentive for the automakers to offer them. You will probably see a few more Diesel engines in American showrooms in about 2014 – there's a new set of emission standards taking effect for model year 2010; (sixteen months from now) the automakers will have worked the bugs out of the technology by 2012 or so, and after that, Diesel engines will be an off-the-shelf item which passenger-car designers can offer with little or no extra cost.
But that's not the end of it; there are a lot of cars the automakers don't offer in the U.S. Freedom of choice, my ass.
http://cars.about.com/od/detoursanddiversions/ig/American-world-cars/

Mixed speed limits for different vehicles is not dangerous, especially on multilane roads. Drivers trying to assert an imaginary god-given “right” to exceed the posted speed limit, regardless of conditions, are dangerous.

And in case you're not keepin' up with technology, virtually every modern car & truck (since MY1996 or so) has both an engine-speed governor and a vehicle-speed governor already built into the brain box.

You want to save fuel, put an excise tax on it. It ain't rocket science.
http://www.gp.org/first100/?cat=18
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Posted: 5/26/2009 4:47:47 AM
Definition:
Projection: Projection is a primitive form of paranoia. Projection also reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the undesirable impulses or desires without becoming consciously aware of them; attributing one's own unacknowledged unacceptable/unwanted thoughts and emotions to another; includes severe prejudice, severe jealousy, hypervigilance to external danger, and "injustice collecting". It is shifting one's unacceptable thoughts, feelings and impulses within oneself onto someone else, such that those same thoughts, feelings, beliefs and motivations are perceived as being possessed by the other.


LOL! nice try....but wouldn't it be handier to suggest how a family of 6 might decide which of their children they'll leave behind?

But, this is a good example of the mentality that leads to such lop-sided arguments (comparing apples to oranges) and coming up with sour grapes.

As described one post up; there are numerous variables that contribute to fuel economy...and highway safety.

ALL vehicles, regardless of weight and design are more fuel efficient at 55mph. The optimum speed for fuel efficiency is at exactly the speed in which the vehicle shifts into it's top gear. For my truck...it's 47mph. Every mph over that is "wasting gas". Every time you step on the brake, you're wasting gas. (simple laws of physics....not Freudian psychology)
IE. Those who COULD get 35mpg IF they drove consistently under the same conditions that the vehicle was tested...but in REALITY get only 22 MPG because they drive 75 mph with their foot on the brake 1/2 the time who blast, blame and accuse those who drive vehicles that are rated lower for fuel economy under TEST conditions...but who DRIVE consistently to take advantage of the maximum fuel economy they can get. (Like I said...I CONSISTENTLY get 22-23 mpg on the SAME truck that my Uncle says he gets only 16 mpg in).

Therefore, I reassert, projection or NOT....that it's MORE of a "people argument" than a mechanical one. The whole....."well....I COULD get good milage.....IF I wanted to....but I don't want to. (Credit card thinking)

But, to answer the OP's question: YES, I would keep my truck if a 55mph speed limit were imposed. NOW....how do you propose that we enforce the optimal fuel efficient conditions of those who COULD get the manufacturer tested milage....IF they wanted to?

How about....we control which vehicles can be sold in colder climates??? You know...that estimated fuel economy goes to hell in a handbasket when the temperature drops below 40 degrees. We could save LOTS of gasoline if we forced everyone to move out of the northern states....or at least to walk or ride a horse in the winter.

Ohhhh, wait...but are we REALLY talking about saving fuel.....or are we just using fuel economy as an excuse to make everyone the same???
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Posted: 5/26/2009 8:52:40 AM
I don't own an SUV or anything like that and I never will unless they eventually stop making energy efficient automobiles. (Ya right.)

I think any vehicle that doesn't get at least 30 or 35 MPG should have to pay a much higher tax every year when they register their tags. The fewer miles per gallon ... the higher the tax should be.

Low miles-per-gallon vehicles are obvious gas guzzlers and due to that, they obviously pollute the air equal to the lower MPG they get. I look at it this way ... a vehicle that gets only 20 MPG pollutes the air twice as badly as a vehicle that gets 40 MPG ... right? Well, if we can't ticket low miles-per-gallon vehicles as they travel down the road for "pollution", then we need to get them as they register those gas guzzling air polluters ... eh?

And I agree ... they should have to drive slower so they get better more MPG (obviously conserving fuel) and hopefully emitting less pollution.
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Posted: 5/26/2009 4:40:22 PM

Low miles-per-gallon vehicles are obvious gas guzzlers and due to that, they obviously pollute the air equal to the lower MPG they get. I look at it this way ... a vehicle that gets only 20 MPG pollutes the air twice as badly as a vehicle that gets 40 MPG ... right? Well, if we can't ticket low miles-per-gallon vehicles as they travel down the road for "pollution", then we need to get them as they register those gas guzzling air polluters ... eh?


No, not necessarily. If you compare a 1972 Ford Pinto (~40 mi/gal, carburettor, no catalyst, open-loop control) with a 2009 Crown Victoria, (~20 mi/gal, dual catalysts & dual lambda sensors, digital fuel injection, closed-loop control and OBD-II) the Pinto emits ~1000 times the amount of regulated emissions as the Crown Vic. Only in carbon dioxide emission does the Pinto outperform the Crown Vic. (it's the only tailpipe gas which is proportional to fuel consumption)

Now what policy should we implement for, say, a retired couple who own a gas-guzzling Crown Vic but only drive 5,000 miles per year? Gouge them on registration fees because their car consumes the same 250 gallons of fuel as a Pinto driven 10,000 miles per year or a Prius driven 12,000? (and substantially less than just about every vehicle on the road in daily service)

No, while the concept of taxing excessive consumption is sound, the right policy is to tax fuel, not vehicles.
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Posted: 5/26/2009 8:22:51 PM

... while the concept of taxing excessive consumption is sound, the right policy is to tax fuel, not vehicles.
Point well made.

The other side of that coin though ... the way the taxes would be spent. Personally I drive a vehicle that gets 40 MPG on the open road, so I wouldn't mind paying extra taxes if I knew it was hitting those with the gas guzzlers deep in the pocket. (A good inspiration to get rid of their gas guzzler and buy more economic transportation?)

I'd want the extra taxes to go to a good cause ... making more offenders clean up their air pollution.
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