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 lonesome wonderer
Joined: 12/26/2007
Msg: 3
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it's this way....unless you have all of the borders completely heavily guarded they're still going to come back into this country. about 4 times a year the humboldt industrial park here in pa gets raided by the immigration department but they still come back.

there was also a report of an accident where a paneled van hit another vehicle and left the scene. the van was later found a few miles from the stranded vehicle and the occupants fled on foot. 3 of them were caught almost immediately and the driver was caught about an hour later. the occupants of the vehicle.....mexican. not a single one had their green card. they were held at the local jail while waiting for transport by immigration. the owner of the other vehicle that was hit was at a loss for recovery.

the only thing that someone can do is not allow to service to the illegals. there's a bar about half an hour from me with a sign...."no green card, no service" and another "no illegals served here". the bar owner was made to take the signs down because he was discriminating against the mexicans. he took the sign down and ended up losing a lot of his regular business because of how the mexicans treated the neighboring patrons. the signs went back up and he got his customers back. anyone can give a fake social security number to obtain an account anywhere but they cannot fake a green card. maybe if businesses all over the place were to tighten the ship down....stores have to card for cigarette purchases, bars and clubs have to card as well....why not ask to show 2 forms of id (one being the ss card) and another being something with their name and address, if they do not have their ss card then ask for the green card.....no green card, no ss card...no account.
 JLTINFL18
Joined: 1/8/2008
Msg: 5
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Posted: 6/15/2008 6:06:35 PM
The OP should be complaining to the American President.


OHHHH PLEASEEEE...

This has been an on going problem for decades... NOW it's "ALL" Bush's fault. President after President after President have had the same problem with illegal immigration and laws were passed and it didn't stop or slow down. So get off the "It's Bush's fault"..

The OP isn't asking who's fault it is.. I believe the question is what is your "solution to illegal immigration.

Pretty simple I think..
 JLTINFL18
Joined: 1/8/2008
Msg: 7
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Posted: 6/15/2008 6:23:02 PM
nashtnt-

I agree with ya totally- once the horse is out of the barn who left the gate open isn't important.

I do wish I had a solution though because it's a problem that isn't going to go away anytime soon.

IMO amnesty isn't a solution- they gotta go home and come back the RIGHT WAY..It will cost ZILLIONS no matter how it's done.
 GOD.IS.A.BULLET
Joined: 6/4/2008
Msg: 9
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Posted: 6/15/2008 6:49:58 PM
You'll never stop illegal immigration until you get the corporations to stop needing cheap labor. So basically never. You don't really think they are gonna try to stop it do you ?
 JLTINFL18
Joined: 1/8/2008
Msg: 12
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Posted: 6/15/2008 9:49:54 PM
NERO1

most of whom are law-abiding and peaceful,

Being raised in Calif in peach tree country I picked em in the summer and I met loads of mexican workers. The showed up every year and some years new workers too. They were all very nice folks and worked like dogs. Showed up with mom dad, grand ma and pop and 5 kids. THEY ALL WORKED. Of course at 13-14-15 asking if they were legal or illegal never crossed my mind. But they would start in S. Calif and work thier way up to Wash. and pick apples before going back to Mexico.

But anyway they aren't all bad people.

I would object to a revised "path to citizenship". To me that's like saying okay we have 15 mill unsolved 7-11 robberies that we can't solve so if ya robbed a 7-11 raise your hand and we'll just forget about it.

Hopefully someone will come up with somethng soon, I also agree it's not going to happen in the next couple years.
 Bluesman2008
Joined: 4/2/2008
Msg: 13
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Posted: 6/15/2008 10:10:42 PM
If they simply enforce the laws we have on the books there would be no problem because companies won't be able to hire illegals. And if there's no work for them, they won't cross the borders illegally. The problem is that big business lobbies the government NOT to enforce them, so we're all screwed and it has nothing to do with border fences. Fences won't keep them out but lack of work WILL!
 GOD.IS.A.BULLET
Joined: 6/4/2008
Msg: 14
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Posted: 6/15/2008 10:12:52 PM

So Spiral your solution is to do nothing and regulate nothing?

You would need oversight and you won't get it because everyone is in someone elses pocket.
There is too much money at risk when you think about these people as basically slave labor, The upper hand is in the cost of production and most Americans will not work that hard for so little. As An employer I will not hire anyone who is not legally American or recently one "qualified canadian".
I know so many who have 30 to 50 mexicans living in lofts who are happy to work for 5 to 8 bucks an hour and they work their ass off for it. When you look at that situation from a business standpoint American workers don't rate to these people who only think bottomline. This is happening right here in Michigan all the time and with summer it gets worse since they are primarily farm workers , Mushroom pickers , food trades, etc.
Since the "right to work" states started popping up the illegals know that they can take more americans jobs since the Americans simply don't want them but then we find that we are losing more blue collar jobs to mexicans as well.
I am a white man in a primarily Black neighbourhood and I am seeing more and more mexicans coming in all the time .
I'm in michigan so I can only imagine what the southern states are seeing.

You want to stop the illegals you have to restrict them from jobs but the employers like the wages they can pay them. It's all about the bottomline.

Stop illegals=Stop greed= good luck!
 JLTINFL18
Joined: 1/8/2008
Msg: 15
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Posted: 6/15/2008 10:21:45 PM
Bluesman2008

I agree that enforcing the laws would certainly help. But if tomorrow no one hired the illegals what would that do? Let's see 12-15 million (or more) illegals no money, no job and can't eat. IMO the crime rates across this country would go through the roof, they will steal rob and kill to eat.

If they have no money they can't get back home. They aren't all in So. Cal, Ariz.N.M. and Tex. They can't just all walk back across the border. They are so spread out across the entire country, north to South and east to west.

But I think the OP's intent for this thread is-- WHAT do we do with the 12-15 mill of illegals that are here?
 Bluesman2008
Joined: 4/2/2008
Msg: 16
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Posted: 6/15/2008 10:26:39 PM
There are only two options available, right? Either we keep them here or deport them. If they're illegals, you deport them. If they can't come in legally, it's simple. They can't come in. You know, it's not only the people who pick lettuce in the fields. We have also captured terrorists trying to get in through the Mexican border. In that sense, and for that reason, homeland security is a damned joke.
 JLTINFL18
Joined: 1/8/2008
Msg: 17
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Posted: 6/15/2008 10:33:18 PM
I totally agree with ya.. Somone's got to decide something.. I say send em back but come up with a way to let em back in legally in a short period of time. But they have to go home. Anyway it works out we're going to spend millions..

We have also captured terrorists trying to get in through the Mexican border. In that sense, and for that reason, homeland security is a damned joke.

Well, if terrorists were captured trying to come across the border where is the joke? That's what it's suppose to do.
 JLTINFL18
Joined: 1/8/2008
Msg: 19
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Posted: 6/16/2008 11:26:56 AM
Muslim_Jihadist

Well I don't agree that we just give up and say you broke our laws coming here so we give up, here's a work permit you can stay.

I fail to understand why being 'illegal' makes you want to hurt them.

I never said I want to HURT anyone. Any immigrant that wants to come to the U.S. is welcome IMO, do it the LEGAL way and no problems.

You must have committed a crime you never got caught for.

Not sure what brought that on-- but it doesn't warrant a response.

You should try to think of them as tourists

Sorry- THEY AREN'T TOURISTS

Have a Good Day
 _JAFO_
Joined: 11/9/2007
Msg: 20
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Posted: 6/16/2008 4:53:31 PM
Yes. The proposed solution is to let them in and give them all the benefits of American citizenship without any of the obligations. (until you live in a border city you will never understand the feelings of those who do)

Here's a webpage entitled: Illegal Immigration Facts

http://recallmayorgordon.com/Immigration_Facts.html
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 21
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Posted: 6/16/2008 9:44:26 PM
My question is what are some proposed solutions to address the immigration issue in our country?

Anyone who wants to become a citizens merely fills out a little paperwork.

 Jiperly
Joined: 8/30/2006
Msg: 22
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Posted: 6/17/2008 4:55:31 AM
Open the boarders and remove citizenship restrictions.

The only reason these people are impoverish isn't a poor work ethic- its that they do not receive the same rights as other Americans, while millions of Americans express outrage that they receive any rights at all, despite paying at least limited taxes

If every person inside the US all received minimum wage, there would be no reason for companies to "give" your job to foreigners, since they wouldn't be able to pay them a lowered wage.

I personally find it outrageous that there are actually some Americans out there who believe that certain residents of their country, legal or not, do not deserve rights- the Declaration of Independence did not state that all Americans were born equal with inalienable rights- its all humans. And I find it especially disgusting to find there are Americans who support taxation without representation.
 Bluesman2008
Joined: 4/2/2008
Msg: 24
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Posted: 6/17/2008 4:33:41 PM

I fail to understand why being 'illegal' makes you want to hurt them.


Hurting them? They've broken the law!



Some of the things said about immigrants in these forums is akin to the things said in 1930's Germany and we all know how that ended up.


Hardly. That's truly a stretch.

There WILL be results of taking illegals out of the work force and we may as well resign ourselves to it. The price of food will rise. We have to accept that assuming Americans take over those jobs. Same for parking attendants, people who clean your home and every other undesirable job they do. It's simple economics.


People will stop being so anti immigration and recognise that immigration is perfectly natural and should be encouraged


This statement is really annoying. No one is talking about LEGAL IMMIGRATION. NO ONE. We're talking about illegal immigration. Get that through your head. One is legal, the other is not. Please have that laminated for your wallet because people who repeat this nonsense mantra just don't get it.


I personally find it outrageous that there are actually some Americans out there who believe that certain residents of their country, legal or not, do not deserve rights- the Declaration of Independence did not state that all Americans were born equal with inalienable rights- its all humans. And I find it especially disgusting to find there are Americans who support taxation without representation.


The fact is illegals are draining already depleted hospital resources, period. We simply can't afford to feed, house and keep healthy anyone and everyone wanting to get into this country illegally. Illegals don't pay taxes to support what they're getting here. So there are roughly 12 million illegals here from Mexico alone and there are, already here, 47 million Americans who don't have health care of ANY kind. Don't you see the problem?
 Jiperly
Joined: 8/30/2006
Msg: 25
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Posted: 6/17/2008 5:33:49 PM
>>>The fact is illegals are draining already depleted hospital resources, period. We simply can't afford to feed, house and keep healthy anyone and everyone wanting to get into this country illegally.

LMAO!

That's so funny....so the ideal of a socialist healthcare system is failing, and who do you blame? Not reality, but the illegal immigrants!

>>>Illegals don't pay taxes to support what they're getting here.

They're not buying anything? They're not working? Cause I pay taxes with each purchase I get and each paycheck I get- and the only reason I can see why anyone would not pay taxes with their paycheck is either their boss is a die-hard abolitionist or they're paying their employees an illegal wage- ironically the very issue I brought up and the issue you did not address.
 lonesome wonderer
Joined: 12/26/2007
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Posted: 6/17/2008 5:43:59 PM
sure, here's a slap on the hand for entering our country without a visa but on the other hand here's a free get out of jail card with a work visa to allow you to take jobs away from the american citizens. (only applies to the illegal immigrants and not the --/american citizens.)

the tourism industry applies to those whom hold a visa or passport to enter and leave the united states of america and not the illegal immigrants that don't even pocess a green card to allow them to be here. i've heard that americans visiting mexico goes through hell to cross the border back into the states....they don't want us there and they don't want us to leave.

the bar that i mentioned earlier will serve mexican americans but it's their job to ask for an age card, it's their right to ask for a green card. they don't want their establishment being shut down for serving illegal immigrants (mexicans) nor do they want to be in the middle of a raid from immigration.

how much does anyone know about the truck driving industry? mexicans will be driving the roads here in the united states and not have to abide by our country's laws. i've heard from a truck driving friend of mine that there was an accident here in the state of pennsylvania, the other truck driver was a mexican driving for a company in new york. the driver did not know how to speak english and he was not cited for causing an accident that he actually did cause. the other driver, my friend was written up at work for having the accident when there was also a witness proving his innocence with regards to the accident. if an immigrant is going to drive our roads they must also follow the same rules and regulations as everyone else. some schools provide "english as a 2nd language" courses to those that are here on a visa or green card.

if us americans want to travel to another country we must have a passport, if a mexican or any other immigrant wants to travel into america they should also provide a visa and be limited to x amount of months. before the visa expires they have a choice to renew it or leave.....i know there are visa's around for the immigrants, my middle brother's best friend's wife had to get one before coming here from the phillipine islands and marrying. they're still together after 20 years. illegal immigrants are too ignorant to do the right thing and they shouldn't be allowed to stay.

The fact is illegals are draining already depleted hospital resources, period. We simply can't afford to feed, house and keep healthy anyone and everyone wanting to get into this country illegally. Illegals don't pay taxes to support what they're getting here. So there are roughly 12 million illegals here from Mexico alone and there are, already here, 47 million Americans who don't have health care of ANY kind. Don't you see the problem?

i completely agree right there....
 scotlandforever
Joined: 1/19/2008
Msg: 30
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Posted: 6/17/2008 6:19:24 PM
QUOTE: They've been ignored because it's good for business and it contributes social security dollars which will never be claimed so the Congress can just spend the billions contributed by illegal aliens.

This is the same reason that Gov't does not do anything significant about identity theft. SS is paid into the coffers by people who will not be claiming the benefits later on.
 MacKevinized
Joined: 2/15/2006
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Posted: 7/2/2008 8:31:22 PM
Simply make laws where if you hire an illegal alien, You automatically forfeit all your assets to the government for auction. and a mandatory 2 years in prison.
Then enforce it and offer rewards for reporting the hiring of illegal aliens. People without jobs can collect the rewards and maybe get hired when employers offer a fair wage in the process.
 southernlass
Joined: 5/2/2006
Msg: 40
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Posted: 7/2/2008 10:36:02 PM
Bluesman:


The fact is illegals are draining already depleted hospital resources, period. We simply can't afford to feed, house and keep healthy anyone and everyone wanting to get into this country illegally. Illegals don't pay taxes to support what they're getting here. So there are roughly 12 million illegals here from Mexico alone and there are, already here, 47 million Americans who don't have health care of ANY kind. Don't you see the problem?


I never thought I would see the day that i would find myself in agreement with Bluesman. While I greatly sympathize with the illegal immigrants and understand their plight and their desire to simply find work and a better life for themselves and their families, charity begins at home. We have to take care of our own first and until the people in this country have the healthcare they need and employment can cover those who need work who are legal, we aren't equipped to take on the extra burden.

Nero said:


Personally I think what will happen will be some sort of slightly revised "path to citizenship" program being put into effect within the next 4 or 5 yrs. It's the only sensible way to deal with it at this point. What's the realistic alternative??


I also agree with the above. If we were to relieve some of the tax burden off of the citizens of the USA and shift more than a fair share of it onto the illegal and they were willing to pay for the privilege of being here, that might make a difference. Or there could be some kind of special tax, specific to cover the extras an illegal immigrant gets by being here. They could be required to pay for reduced county health care (garnished from their earnings), and they shouldn't be able to get a drivers license without carrying proper insurance coverage in six month block payments, at the minimum.

If we were able to create a situation where our country's people could actually benefit financially from the illegal immigrant's desire to work here, then it's a compromise where everyone gets the best of both worlds and no one is harmed in the process. The thing is, they can't just get away with the goods without making a significant contribution to the pot. I don't believe that these illegal's are going away. We can't keep them out so how do we begin to turn things around so that we can profit from the situation in a fair, reasonable, and responsible manner?



 BikerBiker53
Joined: 6/11/2005
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Posted: 11/23/2008 10:57:43 AM
Being involved in my Neighborhood,....I attend many functions concerning our Community,....

At last years Mayors Address,.....when he was asked what his plans were,..as our new Mayor,... to address the "Illegal Immigration" issiue,..... Mayor Ballard told the audiance that he had just returned form "THE MAYORS SUMMIT",.....where it was disscused among all the Mayors,.....and it was the general feeling that the "Illegals" were contributing to fullfilling jobs, that no one else wanted,..and the Mayors all felt that they should NOT,...consider doing anything because "Their Hands Are Tied" !

Mayor Ballard was asked again,...what he planned to do,..to these LAW BREAKING,
Illegals ?,..and he replied that it wasnt up to him , as Mayor,..

It was a Federal matter, and untill the matter was pushed by the higher authorities,.,.the Mayors felt that they should leave the matetr alone.

With this kind of blindness,...there can never be a solution.............

Whats the old saying ?????

"Nothing Matters,...and What if It Did" ?

Thats the kind of thoughts, that go into addressing this issiue of illegals.....

If the citizens protest,..were considered to be the "Ugly American",......

So our leaders,...DO NOTHING !
 ManeRider
Joined: 5/22/2005
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Posted: 11/23/2008 12:34:08 PM
Whats the old saying ?????

"Nothing Matters,...and What if It Did" ?

Thats the kind of thoughts, that go into addressing this issiue of illegals.....

If the citizens protest,..were considered to be the "Ugly American",......

So our leaders,...DO NOTHING !


With the financial catastrophy we're witnessing today, I happen to think those cities teetering on bankruptcy and the nation, as a whole, are going to have to find relief S-O-M-E-W-H-E-R-E. We can't continue in the same vein as we've been accustomed to, and this includes not turning a blind eye to one our most critical concerns, the problem of illegal immigration.
Cali is asking the gov't for a 7 bil bailout, while the current numbers show an 11 bil (annual) cost for all illegal immigrants welfare, safety, and schools (etc) . (This is but one state)
Cities across the nation are on the verge of bankruptcy, yet we're still miles and miles away from a plan to do anything about this mess. Somewhere, somehow, we're going to H-A-V-E to stop ignoring this politically incorrect mess.....illegals are, ironically, still working during this slow economic time, as they offer their services at well below par (and below the table) of what American wages should be, yet American's,,,,, errrr..... those of us here L-E-G-A-L-L-Y..... are having to really squeeze that turnip to get any blood. It's havoc, it's inescapeable misery for so many Americans...who are losing homes, jobs, and being tossed into the streets. .yet our "south-of-the-border" neighbors are, in many cases, handily making off with their usual take. Where's the logic in any of this?
Soon enough, we're going to HAVE to take action, and while I empathize with many foreigners here who are illegal, they knew the laws before they came here, they've been on borrowed time for many years, in some cases, so.....I hope they'll make preparations because we can't continue ignoring such a catastrophic set of circumstances.

I just want my Country back
 dmotz
Joined: 11/19/2008
Msg: 47
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Posted: 11/23/2008 12:42:41 PM
I am all for building a electric fence along the ENTIRE border. Why not take some of the billions we spend on totally worthless social programs and hook up the fence. Lets not bail out California or the big 3...lets use the money to find and deport all illegals from every country...Put Americans back to work on the fence...
 dragonpat
Joined: 9/29/2006
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Posted: 11/23/2008 10:38:41 PM
The answer has been stated here many times, enforce the laws. The laws already provide for a fine for employers, its just not done. So Make the fines mandatory. Arizona recently passed a law requiring all employers to varify potential employees with a national data base. The results of the law being passed, even before implimentation was a drastic increase of illegals returning to mexico. So many in fact that the state in Mexico to the south of Arizona sent a deligation to the Az. Legislature to complain about the cost of all these people on the infrastructure in mexico. ( the cost to educate and medical costs.)
So make this mandatory nation wide. Increase the fines on business and dont allow the politicians to say that illegal is just a technicality.
I find the case about the person who was hear for so many years being deported kind of ironic. During the Regan admin. And amnisty was passed for all illegals in this nation, all they had to do was sign up. SO why didnt he?
Concerning those who are already hear. my solution is really simple: First they must register for a card. They will be given a provisional green card, and allowed to stay 30 days until a) their criminal record is check, b) they can prove they are gainfully employed and c) they make provisions to pay a fine for breaking the law. Anyone who doesnt sign up is a criminal and faces punishment. If they are caught breaking any law, their citizenship status should be determined and regardless if it is speading or jay walking, if they have not registered they should be deported. Any one guilty of any serious offense should pay the penulty for their crime and then be deported. *unless of course that penalty is death, then i guess they can not be deported if dead.*
And of course none of the newly registered become citizens unless they go to the back of the line and waite just like everyone else has to. For example my great grandparents.
Now why not just give everyone a blanket pass and say you are all forgiven, that would make the law baseless. When the law becomes baseless and a source for laughter then all laws are undermined to some degree, and that leads to a slower from of degeneration of society.
Finally concerning the quote from the declaration of independece. It is true that all are endowed with inalienable rights, but that doesnt mean all are endowed with inalienable privalidges. The constitution immediately sets up a restriction by citizenship for those who can serve and those who can not. TO be illegal though doesnt mean that a person should be held with out regard to legal council, subject to unreasonable search and seazeure or even aribitrary loss of life. They still have fundimental rights, just no privilidges. One of those rights they have is to live in the nation that they are a citizen of and be returned without being beaten or harmed in such ways. SO yes they have rights, and they should either follow the laws of this nation or be deported back to wear they came from.
side note, this is kind of odd, i actually agree with bluesman...
 SteelCity1981
Joined: 8/16/2005
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Posted: 11/24/2008 2:48:47 AM
Yeah I 100% agree it all starts by heavily securing the borders and putting heavy sanctions on companies those higher illegal immigrants. By doing those two things will not help greatly keep illegal immigrants from coming over here, but will also deter them from trying to come over here in the first place if they can't get a job here.
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