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Joined: 6/24/2007
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I think it happens but I do not think it is normal. Most women versus guys get their sex drive after they have actual sexual experiences. It wakes up sex drive in her. You can care less about sex at 17 but if you have a full taste of it in 18 you will be on a roll.
What bothers me in your post that you think it is o.k. not to have a romantic partner and not really look for him.
YOur profile inidcate LTR. Do you really think you may know what LTR means if you never really had dating experiences.
Teenage gals start wanting dating. It is a growing process. It improves over years. They date in their own way even (and it looks akward to adults).
Grown men fantisize about intercourse and blow jobs when they masturbate. 15 years old boys with no experience masturbate on a fantazy of just a nacked girl with no any further actions.
It is a progress........ I wanna say by 21 you already have missed some major elements (and I am not talking about sex here). It has to be a natural desire by that age to meet guys, create dating opportunities and date.

Self-belive and self love are NOT obstracale to dating in any way. THose 2 things can go hand in hand.
Joined: 6/15/2008
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Posted: 7/2/2008 3:11:17 PM
You're fine being inexperienced at your age, and likely better off for it. The timetable for love, sex, relationships, romance or whatever your preference is set according to YOU. Other people will compare the news to their experience and expectations, norms, ideals, but in personal matters their opinions cannot matter less. If you were 35 I would start pathologising. You're still a baby, albeit a grown up one. You are just starting out, not lagging behind. There are different views out there; you're not strange or alone in this. But you also prize being unique or at least independent in your views, so, there is that. You could lay down naked and get attention, for sure, but it's obvious that you are looking at a slightly more elevated approach to things, and so in ignoring that basic kind of potential you are left with the relative scarcity of a rarer kind of regard and relationship. He's out there, or she is, and you'll stroll along past the unsuitable until you bump into a good match. I'm not seeing your situation as anything odd, no need to wonder what might be wrong. Your time is slower to come than others, faster than some, and just right for you.
Joined: 11/6/2005
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Posted: 7/2/2008 3:13:28 PM
Wow, that is so eerie. I feel pratically the same way. My dating and sexual experiences have been minimal for my age and there are times when I feel like I'm the odd-man out of society (more-so than what I am normally ). Not to mention a lot of the guys I hang out with have their "man stories" they could tell all night. I'm aware that a lot of these stories are exaggerated, but still...

I digress, you are most certainly not alone when it comes to this, even for someone as attractive as you. In my opinion, the self-doubt you feel is a mixture of the pressure of society or your peers, but you also have self-doubt because as a species that need interaction with other beings when you analyze yourself and realize your lack of intimate interaction with other people, you feel...well no offense, worthless. It doesn't mean you are, nobody is truly "worthless" especially for something as trivial as being a virgin.

To answer your second question, I say it's a combination of everything. SPeaking for myself, I know I have bad luck (terrible if you will) and while I may not be afraid of love, I'm afraid of the downfall and rejection that is associated with it.

And humans have been trying to analyze and reason human emotion for years, but the nsimple fact is there are some things that you can NEVER truly realize.
 pretty moon
Joined: 6/25/2008
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Posted: 7/2/2008 3:30:45 PM
OP........It sounds like you have something many your age dont have....self worth..........your young will know when the time comes.....your heart will pound, your ears will ring, your stomach will have butterflies..........when the right one comes along you wont have any questions....its just something you will know........

Stay on the path your on..being true to who you are......................
Joined: 12/1/2007
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Posted: 7/2/2008 8:14:36 PM
This virgin simply hasn't found a wife yet. *shrugs* I don't know if it's bad luck or what, but I'm not really bothered by the lack of sex. The lack of physical affection and by that I mean, just a five-minute hug -- that's the stuff I miss. The unexpected letters in strange places; well, I won't go on or I'll bleed my romantic heart all over the page, but you get the idea.
Joined: 10/25/2007
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Posted: 7/2/2008 8:44:01 PM
Criminey, you are 20 years old. It knocked me for a loop with you talking like you were ready for a nursing home. Like you've lived.

Yeah, most 20 year old males are only interested in 20 seconds of sex or nothing at all. Few can even grow a full beard or mustache. That's just the beginning of the list of grossly immature and irresponsible. I find nothing and never did, even back then attractive or desirable about those tadpoles. What a pack of morons and they come in threes and fives of bozo, dufus, and goofy. In a few years, after 25, and more like 30, they turn into something upright all by themselves, in his own right, and walking with two legs. He's on three legs with two heads until then. Do what with that? I haven't seen hardly any, in fact, none with males under 25 unions work out, ever.

Smart girl. Go out and have a wonderful time until you meet a fully matured man.
Joined: 6/15/2008
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Posted: 7/2/2008 8:45:17 PM
Wow, hate much?

No fun on POF tonight...
Joined: 10/25/2007
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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:03:56 PM
I don't hate anyone.

20 years old is far from an "old virgin" for him or her. That is very young to be in a LTR for him or her. Having sex for the sake of saying you're having sex, to impress other people, or keep up with the status quo, isn't a good idea. 20 is barely out of playing doctor and playing house.

Let's face reality. Seriously, how many 20 year old male sex symbols are there? He isn't. He is apalling and revulsive at every level to most women most of the time most of the world over. She must have been very drunk with very low self esteem. The rest are still virgins. The men we know the names of the world over are about 30s and sizzling sexy.
Joined: 5/3/2006
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Posted: 7/3/2008 8:09:08 AM
OP-First, it’s not just bad luck. You have the necessary equipment to land any guy you want. However, I admire that you want it to be something meaningful that is right for you. Some men and women need human contact more than others. You may just be one of those that until the right guy comes along, your content with how things are. I would hope that just because your still a virgin, that you don’t run out and experiment with the first guy that comes along. Your first time should always be special, because everyone will remember their first time for the rest of their life.
Joined: 9/18/2005
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Posted: 7/3/2008 4:15:29 PM
There is certainly nothing wrong with not dateing or even wanting to date at your age. Sure, there are lots of girls who are "boy crazy" at 15 but that doesn't mean the form good satisfying relationships. Some years ago we all sort of wondered about the daughter of a friend of mine. She was 27 and had never had a boyfriend and actualy seemed rather uninterested in the whole idea. Then she met this guy. Like her, he had never really been interested much in the opposite sex but wow! Suddenly they were all over each other. Couldn't keep their hands off each other. I asked her how she felt and she said, I don't know if we're in love but we are sure in strong like and most definitely in lust! They were funny to watch and married about a year later. For some people it just takes time and meeting the right one I guess.
Joined: 2/3/2007
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Posted: 7/3/2008 5:59:23 PM
OP - sounds like even at 21 you have values and a well-grounded sense of self-worth too. You just be you and don't sweat the small stuff. All your friends are doing is trying to justify themselves by making you appear "odd". Frankly, far worse to be a crowd-follower aka sheep than actually have integrity even with yourself...don't you think?

There's nothing pathological about having standards, even at 21. There's nothing pathological about not wanting a relationship at 21. There's nothing wrong with being a virgin at 21 either.

Society's norm doesn't define you - you define yourself.
Joined: 10/30/2007
Msg: 16
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Posted: 7/4/2008 3:04:01 AM

I believe having self belief and self love is one of the hardest things to do, because it requires the person, oneself, who knows oneself entirely, to have genuine belief and respect without any outside approval, which is sought after with the majority of people, which is entirely normal.

People feeling and responding to social pressure might be COMMON but i would hesitate to call it normal. And just because something is common doesnt mean its okay or even healthy.

you need to get this through your head. NO ONE CARES.

i dont mean this in a mean way, but people are generally wrapped up in their own life and could care less if youre having sex. They may make a comment and some bitter people might cast a judgement, but when all is said and done, THEY DONT CARE. The only thing that matters is what YOU think. Its your life and it should be lived as you choose.

This concept was very liberating for me because I can live my life freely and ON MY OWN TERMS without worrying what someone's opinion is.

so what you need to do is look really hard and long inside yourself and decide what YOU want. Disregard what you think other people think is "normal" or what anyone else is doing for that matter and decide what kind of person you are and want to be.

if you dont want a relationship or sex, then dont ****ing have it.

if you do, then pursue it.

simple as that.
Joined: 5/2/2008
Msg: 17
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Posted: 7/4/2008 4:09:38 AM
You are being who you are, which does not fit the norm. Welcome to the club. How many people actually fit into the "norm?" While it is more or less skewed toward the middle, there are some people on this planet who are "asexual" as well as those who have a very powerful libido. Most of the advice on this forum comes from the middle group.

I notice that the most of the opinions gathered here are steering you towards a sexual relationship with a partner. If I may use conjecture, I am reading from you that you want intimacy but not necessarily the sex. I believe there is nothing wrong with this situation. The key is finding people who just let you be who you are as you continue to explore your sexuality which also may include not "needing" sex. Issues of identity and intimacy are all tied into this exploration. You seem to be well on your way and I have to add that you are a brave woman for making this post because you are putting your face to the wind.
Joined: 2/4/2006
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Posted: 7/9/2008 4:11:13 AM
Ignore Sarasota's post altogether as claptrap from someone that seems to have learned little about life or from the textbooks she has read. One of the gals that was in college several years back never seemed interested in guys and she was gorgeous, vivacious and had a great social life. She was from El Salvador and actually mentioned to my mother that she thought it was horrible how American girls seemed to take sex, etc. so lightly and behaved in a way she felt was quite frankly, slutty.

She surprised me when she was engaged a year or so after she graduated, married the man, quite happily, and after a couple of years with just the two of them, they now have a couple of kids. She was focused on school, family and friends and didn't feel the need to have a man to be happy. When she found the right one, obviously this changed. Few experiences at your age with relationships or sex is not abnormal there are just a lot of young people running around doing things beyond their maturity level because they want to fit in and feel like grown-ups when they are really not behaving like adults at all.

You could maybe answer your own post by thinking about the alternative. Are you going to run out and just find someone with whom to have a relationship just so you can have sex?

Many men and women in your age bracket have not really had that many romantic relationships because in many cases they are late bloomers. In my case, I thought it was because I didn't act like stupid arm candy and my mother would tell me things like I was pretty so if I didn't have a boyfriend, it must be my personality. This was great for my self-esteem in high school. I wasn't sexually active until I was in college and not waiting longer than I did, until it was really right for me, is one of my regrets.

Your situation to me as an outsider looking in is much more healthy than many other people your age. You are comfortable enough with yourself that you do not feel the need to seek out another human being in order to define or feel good about yourself. Many people wind up settling for sex when they really want a good relationship and you are not doing that either.

The only advice I would give is that maybe what you see as guys not interested in you are guys that don't pursue you because they do not perceive that you are interested in them. Mild flirting can be fun even if it never really goes anywhere so maybe you should try to be a little more open in that way and some of these guys you don't think are interested, might be if they think you are interested in them. Looking at your reposts the one thing I would also mention is that sometimes things do grow when there is not anything in the way of butterflies initially. As you get to know them and like them you do become physically attracted so maybe just keep more of an open mind when you do meet guys.

Romantic relationships can be wonderful with the right person and it sounds like when you do get into one, it will be for the right reasons, because you have established a rapport and honestly like the person. From there, you decide if and when you want to be intimate based on the relationship and your feelings rather than any expectations that society or anyone else bestows on you.
Joined: 4/14/2008
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Posted: 7/9/2008 6:22:08 AM
1: You're asking the wrong crowd. These are all people who are hoping teh internets will make a magical pony who is both sexy and loyal appear.

2: Not actively seeking is usually worse than running away. Think of it like a job. If you're not even looking for work, that is worse than constantly being fired.

3: Are you hoping we will all validate your view of not actively seeking a relationship?

Not to be an ass, but actively seeking is the norm in every human society that ever existed! You're not normal. Really. Seriously. For sure. You can't ask everyone else to validate your non-normalcy.

Obviously you think something gives, or you wouldn't be asking this on a dating site. So, what is that bother you about your situation?

And FTR, there comes a point in a every non-normal person's life where they have to confront the basic facts of their existence vs what everyone around them wants. And most of the time, if we are all being honest, the non-normal person is just being obtuse.

Finally, you're cute as a button, and I love the way you dress. Love the photo with the red shirt with the big turtleneck. Gayest thing I'll type today (hopefully) but there you have it.
Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 21
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Posted: 7/9/2008 1:58:16 PM
no i don't think your missing something .well its not common for people our age to have not had any relationships or experiences there is other people in the same situation . and alot would never be willing to admit it like you have . some people just have different priorities in life and relationships not top of there list . or some people just can't find what they want in a partner so they stay single . and i think in somecases bad luck plays a role as well . not everyone meets someone that is interested in them in say high school or even college and even if they do meet someone they might not be interested in dating . it can be really hard to find a relationship if your not good at it .
Joined: 2/27/2008
Msg: 22
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Posted: 7/9/2008 2:39:48 PM
Reading your profile and looking at your age I think you kind of have this "if everyone goes one way I'm going the next just to be different and unique". Also some do it to be an elite person like they have the answer.

I think loving yourself is great, but taking yourself too seriously isn't. Some people are so obsessed with themselves that they become self absorbed. Especially in the U.S. where parents spoil their kids rotten and make them think the world revolves around them, society is becoming very self absorbed, selfish, and unable to deal with relationships unless its behind a computer screen.

I dont think you are wrong. I know 6 girls that are between 18-27 that are still virgins and they are not messed up at all. They either say they want to wait for their husband, or that they want to meet a guy that they are fairly sure from.

Especially in the U.S. and U.K.; with steroids, and other things in our food, and with people eating much more and much fattier foods, girls are getting physically mature much earlier in life. Mentally though they are not ready.

There is a revolution of sleaziness I think too. Girls at young age are now realizing how much attention they can get from guys if they are sexual or sleazy and if they put out. They dont think of the 25% STD rate among teens or all of the single moms. 3 somes are almost the norm with some girls and they are as bad as young guys.

I dont think your way of thinking is bad at all. You need to do whats best for you, and what you feel comfortable in doing. Having sex doesnt make you whole. Look at all the broken young people who are having sex in situations that are train wrecks.
Joined: 6/28/2008
Msg: 23
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Posted: 7/9/2008 3:31:56 PM

1: You're asking the wrong crowd. These are all people who are hoping teh internets will make a magical pony who is both sexy and loyal appear.

I just wanted to point out, that this is wrong. Its called not limiting your options (casting your net far and wide, as my dad said).
Joined: 4/14/2008
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Posted: 7/10/2008 6:22:18 AM

Firstly to providename, perhaps I didn't make it clear enough, but it's not as if I am totally NOT seeking a relationship, it's just I don't make such a big deal of looking for it as if it is a necessity, so I'm not really seeking validation for anything.

Let's cut to the chase then: what is it that really bothers you about your situation?

Are you under pressure from family members and friends? Or do you feel this way for your own reasons?
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Joined: 7/5/2006
Msg: 29
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Posted: 10/6/2008 12:32:39 AM
No, you're not missing something. You just haven't found the right person yet. I think you're a very strong young lady to not just give in and have sex just because everyone else is doing it. Good for you.
Joined: 8/4/2009
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Posted: 8/31/2009 3:01:58 PM
OP I'm with you in the general aversion of "needs" and I pride myself on having minimal needs beyond the basic biological ones; pretty much everything else is optional, a "nice to have" I could live without, relationships and sex included. I also think you shouldn't lose any sleep on what "normal" people and society at large thinks of you, you are who you are and you don't have to be like everybody else.

On the other hand, I'm puzzled when you say more than once that others don't find you attractive. I'm not gonna lie and say you are a perfect ten or anything but you're easily above average on the looks department alone, and from your writing style you seem educated, smart and well spoken. Without further details, I find it hard to believe you're not being approached all the time; are you sure it's not all in your mind or is there any other critical missing information going on here ?
Joined: 8/4/2009
Msg: 36
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Posted: 8/31/2009 4:11:09 PM
Is it possible that you have Aspergers ? Aspies have trouble with non-verbal communication so that could explain it, though it's less common in females. Or maybe you have a funny voice ? I don't know, it seems pretty strange.. if it wasn't for the Atlantic between us I'd ask you out myself, out of curiosity if nothing more.
Joined: 5/24/2009
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Posted: 8/31/2009 8:01:25 PM
I think you are wonderful, clauclau. And I don't think your experience would be that uncommon wer it not for the pressures young people place upon themselves to become sexually popular and/or socially 'normal'.

All in all it's a huge headache and with tongue in cheek my reply to your thread title is no, you really aren't missing all that much anyway.
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Joined: 7/4/2009
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Posted: 8/31/2009 8:05:40 PM

...there seems to be some kind of reasoning or pathologisation going on in their heads...

Dear, you lost me right there...
Joined: 8/4/2009
Msg: 41
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Posted: 9/23/2009 5:20:05 PM
Have you tried traveling to a mediterranean or south american country ? There's a reason we have Latin lovers but English patients
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