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 eeeo4U
Joined: 6/25/2007
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Stefano, I agree with you that our babies are probably too fat. I probably have too much house for just me, heck I do have 11 grandkids but they're not always with me (just seems that way...), although my house is nothing next to Barack Obama's, Al Gore's or John Edwards' or even John Edwards' former mistress'...and I do own 8 vehicles, nothing like the 200 or so owned by Jay Leno (where does he get attacked) but due to my interests in various dealerships I probably own more than Jay or at least I am part of the floorplan...but good behaviour does not need to be legislated!
 h0ldfast
Joined: 12/19/2006
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Posted: 8/13/2008 5:42:53 PM
Panem et circenses. Bread and circuses. It kept the Roman government in power for a while, and it's exactly what governments in the West are doing. They could exercise courageous leadership, cultivating a culture of learning and of achievement, of entrepreneurship and competition. However, it is far easier to go down the road of complacency, lulling people into submission, feeding them junk food, television, cheap consumer goods and credit.

The lesson from the Romans is that while this strategy keeps the masses content, it weakens society until more vigorous, more competitive external forces come in and take over. Rome fell to barbarians. The West is losing ground to developing countries, who are becoming more productive, more innovative and more powerful with each passing day. At some point, there will be a long, painful reckoning.
 oddandy
Joined: 3/5/2008
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Posted: 8/14/2008 11:47:18 AM
I think the greatest contributions to mankind are rarely given by countries or peoples but more often by individuals.
 Shenandoah
Joined: 8/10/2008
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Posted: 8/16/2008 5:32:31 AM
dunrich :

Thank you. I appreciate your wisdom and gratitude.

America has done more than any country to fight suffering and oppression of those who cannot defend theirselves against evil.

The only land that we have asked for in return has been that needed to bury our dead.

I'm glad to have people like you as neighbors.
 eeeo4U
Joined: 6/25/2007
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Posted: 8/16/2008 7:49:09 AM
Those are defensive missiles designed to knock down intercontinental ballistic missiles or ICBM's. I do agree we are always the first responder to the tsunamis/earthquakes/volcanoes elsewhere in the world.
 ManeRider
Joined: 5/22/2005
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Posted: 8/16/2008 9:11:30 AM

I do agree we are always the first responder to the tsunamis/earthquakes/volcanoes elsewhere in the world.

With all due respect, is there a claused exception to hurricanes in New Orleans and the Gulf shores?
I think that's one good example of a moral compass that's misguided. Moreover, the insurance magnates are still refusing to settle claims. State Farm has turned/is turning away 75% of their claims, claiming no wind damage occured, while there is clear evidence it did.
But not to derail the thread, yes, I'd wholeheartedly agree our country is focused more on individual prosperity, and doesn't concern itself with traditional values. We've become comsumers, yes, kids stay in all day playing video games. People, in general, have become 'oversized', eat way too much, and do way too little to counter the ills of an oversized population.
There are Americans who consume more calories than Michael Phelps, but won't even walk to their mailbox. Look around. How any Americans are obese or overweight, compared to other nations? It's staggering. I'd have to say, Michelle Obama may have overstepped a couple politically correct boundaries, but rightly stated that our people have changed dramatically.
 gentalltheway
Joined: 9/9/2006
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Posted: 8/17/2008 12:35:30 PM

With the proliferation of nuclear missiles in the mid east / possibly one day from North Korea, why on earth would we not want to have defensive missiles?


We??? Who's we??? The "defensive missiles" will be in Europe and the Middle East!


Perhaps because some can not be trusted?


Exactly! Which is the reason why Russians don't want any American "defensive missiles" close to their borders.


Russia has many nuclear weapons unaccounted for, you never know what can happen.


And I suppose America doesn't???


If a defensive missile shield can stop one missile from reaching a major populated area, then why wouldn't we build them?


Here's a better question...if no threats were made to ANY European countries, why make moves that will provoke other major players?

Let's turn things around and have Russia signing deals for "defensive missiles" systems in Cuba and Venezuela? While we are at it, China is more and more involved in Africa so perhaps they could have "defensive missiles" in place in a few countries as well. Surely if that would happen, England and France will follow the same path. Why? Because the truth is, any type of missiles (defensive and offensive) can be used once the system in place.

Where does it stop???


This is basic security for Europe, who is the closest possible victim to some of these unknown threats. Once again, the US has its moral compass pointed at protecting others.


Most European countries can defend themselves against a possible missile threat so your argument is moot at best.

The US has it's moral compass pointed in one direction alright but it's certainly not to protect others!
 gentalltheway
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Posted: 8/18/2008 8:33:40 AM

I politely disagree that we have "done more than any country to fight suffering and oppression of those who cannot defend theirselves against evil"


I couldn't agree more.
 tallskier
Joined: 5/20/2005
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Posted: 9/4/2008 1:22:55 PM

I politely disagree that we have "done more than any country to fight suffering and oppression of those who cannot defend theirselves against evil"


Then I must politely inquire: "Which country has done more"?
 tallskier
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Posted: 9/4/2008 1:32:23 PM

the US has about 1000 bases throughout the world


Might I ask where you got this number? I have been unable to find any data that supports this.
 tallskier
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Posted: 9/4/2008 1:33:53 PM
[quotemy point was that when we use our military to protect our "overseas assets" we tacitly admit that its Ok for others to do the same.

And you suggest that the American market consumer goods is a "Chinese asset"?
 tallskier
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Posted: 9/4/2008 2:12:59 PM

guys guys. stop your self-congratulations for a minute.here's a question. which country has done more to SCREW the planet and it's people than any other nation on Earth? (USA).


Your dislike of America is quite clear. Can you support your statement with facts?
 tallskier
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Posted: 9/4/2008 2:50:18 PM

now how about you back up your little claim with some facts? i.e America has SAVED everyone from evil.[/quote}

I see that since you cannot back your assertion that "America has done more than any other country to ruin the world", you are making up things that I have said.

I never said "America has saved everyone from evil".

You appear to have asserted that no one has done more damage than the US worldwide.

When asked to support this with some facts, you dodge, weave, and attribute to me things that I have not said.

I guess it boils down to the fact that you're making claims you can't back up.

Have you ever thought about the damage Russia has done to the world? I know you weren't very specific about what kind of damage, but have you heard of Chernobyl?
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 9/5/2008 5:25:06 AM
as I posted in another forum....if you want to act more like how you think an American should be seen as acting....stop thinking of yourself as an American. Think of yourself as a human being, instead.

Its when you think you are different from the other human beings, that you are better...you tend to act like the Ugly American (an old term, for some :) ). You think you are due more in a zero sum game, you shouldn't have to work so hard, etc. I saw a sticker yesterday asking, "why do I have to dial "one" to speak English?"

B/c America is a melting pot, and borrows heavily from other languages, just as they borrow terms from us. That's why.
 Rythmn
Joined: 1/21/2006
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Posted: 9/11/2008 11:02:51 PM
america is part of an economic cycle, on a rapid decline. because we see ourselves as seperate from the rest of the world and a notch above humanity, over time we will be left behind. we will be the third world country down the road. the intelligentsia that was once found in nyc, is now gathering in asia.

make sure your children learn several different languages and instead of teaching them arrogance, teach them about other cultures. only, in that way, will they be able to survive in an international economy. the future will rest upon the flexibility of its survivors.

for all those who believe in capitalism, better brush up on the dynamics and the ways in which the "market" is being unduly influenced by oil comglamorates, factory farming, monopolies, et al. in many other nations, people are willing to die for their freedom. in america, we are under the illusion that we already live in a free country. we are in denial about what is happening here. it is always about the "others".

and remember the latest commodity: slave trade and children on the streets, servicing the rich and famous. the biggest demand is from the usa and britain according to the last public televison reports that i witnessed. also, ever wonder where the actors and actresses in the porn movies came from? for the most part, children whose parents and society did not give damn about!

there is no moral compass anymore. it broke a long time ago.
 musicianfriend
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Posted: 9/11/2008 11:49:42 PM
awesome thread....good subject....Because of the techno stuff...I have seen kids who NEVER go out to play...they sit at their computers all the time....(kinda like were doing right now LOL) alot of parents these days do nothing to correct this situation....in fact..alot of these parents are taking orders from the kids..The parents do not discipline their children because as one parent I know said, "We dont want to make him mad." Can you believe it.

I tell them to take the computer away and buy the kid a bike and make him go outside..When I was young...the mothers would kick us all outside and make us play outside all day...So we would spend alot of time with other kids..and wed also be inventing things...

We as a nation have definately lost our way...bad...I believe the socialistic programs aid in allowing certain kinds of lifestyles that are not productive...I wanted to move to the mountains when I retire...but I hear they are filled with people on drugs..How in the world do they live up there with no jobs...government hand outs...Things we thought were good and moral...are not working.

I think we were a better moral compass when there was no feminism...mom stayed home..dad worked...people werent so greedy..wanting everthing they see....families prayed together...people felt responsible FOR THEIRSELVES... so they behaved their selves.....didnt try to always be or look so outrageous..rebellious..

Concerning Families...Moms at home and Dad at work..There was a team called the "family"...Every 'player' has his own job and own position..all just as important as the other in order for the 'family' to function properly...This system has functioned very well since time began....UNTIL......

Now lets look at a football team...every person on the team has a job and a postiton...without each taking his 'proper' place...the team WILL NOT function properly...it will no longer be a team..

I believe we have destroyed the foundations of this country...very very dangerous to do..Its like we are living in a socialistic experiement and we are the lab rats of globalism.

I am very worried about what is coming....scarey...
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