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 Simlasa
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Based on my reading of the new testament it seems he is advocating that people share their wealth and take care of each other.
I don't get that Jesus was particularly interested in 'government' ('render unto Caesar...')... but the culture/lifestyle he promoted for his followers sounds kinda like socialism to me too.
 Simlasa
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Posted: 9/8/2008 1:10:42 AM

socialism flies in the face of human nature

So does Christianity...
 exodusi1
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Posted: 9/8/2008 5:32:30 AM
Wouldn't he still want to be a community organizer?

Are there not still poor, diseased and forgotton people?

I believe he would be upset with the neocons that stand for NONE of his values and he would be disappointed in the Democrats for not doing enough for the aforementioned group that he cared most about.
 Thatguy67
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Posted: 9/8/2008 5:38:02 AM
I think he definitely would use TV/Radio/Internet to spread his word.
 oddandy
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Posted: 9/8/2008 7:25:28 AM
3 Premises to Consider:

A) Capitalism = Love of Money


False premise. Capitalism does not = love of money any more than socialism = hatred of money.

Anyway, Jesus is an Anarchist (A free-market/libertarian anarchist, that is--otherwise what is called an anarcho-capitalist.) See:

http://www.anti-state.com/redford/redford4.html
 Ezzee
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Posted: 9/8/2008 8:03:11 AM
I think that if Jesus were to institute or be a part of his own government, I think it would be more of a tribalism structure that has its history in stories and faith.

First, I think that the idea of the community is extremely important to him,and tribalism is basically a concept of small tight knit communities working forthe betterment of each other.

Secondly, as has been stated before, the lack of a true leader would further on his belief of treating everyone as they should be treated. It would work more to a structure in which all people were cared for and worked for each other.

Thirdly, I'd like to point out that capitalism and socialism ARE NOT forms of government. They are both economic philosophies. To say that socialism and capitalism are forms of government is like saying that a lead pipe is a type of food.

Also, money in and of itself is not necessarily evil. Jesus said "love of money is evil." That means if you love money above other things, or make it a priority, that is wrong. To have money which you use for the betterment of society is not evil.

But yes, I would say a tribalism style of government would be what he would like.
 itechman63
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Posted: 9/8/2008 10:21:15 AM
I guess it's an interesting and provocative question.

Jesus wouldn't have time nor concern with politics nor which party stood for what. I would say that he might have some words about blasphemy with both.
 eeeo4U
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Posted: 9/8/2008 2:02:54 PM
Socialism by coercion goes against human nature...voluntary charity does not...
 geeleebee
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Posted: 9/8/2008 7:33:40 PM
Jesus would not be part of any government.
He wasn't about government--he advised people to render unto Caeser what was Caeser's, meaning taxes, but certainly did not involve himself in running the government.
I'm thinking Jesus would have been a terrific Buddhist.
 geeleebee
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Posted: 9/8/2008 8:35:46 PM

After recovering from this brush with death, in the Ahmaddiya theory, he visited his disciples and told them he had to go away but would be back. Then he went to the East to India, to seek the Lost Tribes who he, as the Messiah (in his own opinion), would gather back to Israel. He visited Afghanistan and reached Kashmir, where he started a ministry, practiced mysticism and meditation, etc. He lived to an old age there, but died there and was buried and so never returned to his Jewish disciples in Israel. They however continued to believe in the promise that his return, turning it into an idea of him coming down from the sky.



Hey--thank you!
This was really interesting reading--things I'd never read before.
 designingwoman
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What form of government would Jesus be apart of?
Posted: 9/8/2008 9:34:43 PM
I believe it would be a social democracy like Sweden's. People are able to get the health care they need, can own a business, and have a voice in their government.
 kabiosile
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Posted: 9/8/2008 9:37:09 PM
Jesus was a libertarian socialist.
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Posted: 9/8/2008 11:28:54 PM
"render unto Caeser what was Caeser's"

Yes... the phrase that is one of the primary bases of separation of church and state. There is nothing in the readings of Christ's life that indicate he did anything to tell the government of his time what to do. There is quite a bit about him telling the current religion what to do and where their teachings had gone totally off base.

Per Jesus there are but 2 great laws - not 10. 1) Love God; 2) Love all people

Secular governments align with God when they do their best to keep that second law. However, just listen to 2 parents who clearly love their kids battle with each other over what the loving thing to do would be. Hence the battles amongst all who love our all people and just think that loving actions are different.
 kabiosile
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Posted: 9/9/2008 12:37:33 AM


While I think sometimes as well as you do OP that "socialist", or some form of the word thereof, would most closely describe some/many of Jesus' teachings.....the one problem I have with the premise stems though from how he taught people to give from their own free will rather than in response to a governmental requirement. I really don't believe he wants the more fortunate giving to the less fortunate because a government told them to do so. But rather wants this to be what people do for each other OUTSIDE of government, on their own and of their own accord. Played out fully, if we all lived as Jesus taught, there would be no reason for government really that I can think of. This could actually tend to make him an anarchist as this would ultimately take the jobs of all of the beaurocrats away. In other words, the only reason we need government then, is because we are each not perfect to some degree each,...possibly even evil at heart for the mos


Thus the reason I said he would be a libertarian socialist.

Socialism does not have to be state forced. It's best form is done by the people on a voluntary basis.
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 9/9/2008 1:36:10 AM
Well for starters Jesus would want peace between the two parties and would help provide a morally and ethically solution for the people in this nation. Jesus would also welcome immigration with open arms but would prob also want people to obey the laws like he taught people to obey the laws of God. Jesus would never use any sort of force unless it was truly a last resort, because he was always the type of person that valued the human life first foremost, which also rules out abortion and the death sentence. So I think Jesus would prob run more of a divine gov.
 cncgandolf
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Posted: 9/9/2008 9:50:20 AM
"He most definitely would not vote along party lines!"

I don't think he would be in government, but if he would than I think he would understand the tirunal formation of our government and understand that we do not elect people, we elect party loyalties. We elect a platform, not a person. Failure to understand the balance of power and the power of party in Washington DC is critical to the problems we have in our current electoral process.

Look at the stalemate in CA right now. A Republican governor who was personally popular for election and a biased to Democrat Congress. The inability to work together due to idealogical issues of how to solve problems is so bad that a recall of this governor has started.

The Congress at the point that it barely shifted to Democrat with a Republican president has been sooooooo miniscule in the bias to Democrat that there hasn't been enough bias to get any Democrat work done. Between Republican fillibusters and Presidential pocket vetos this Congress is beoming a poster child for "lame duck." The prior one was almost as bad but at least had a slight Republican bias with a Republican president so it did get some work done.

Anytime people vote person instead of party they put into place platforms at odds with each other and the contention results in lame duck results.

Vote party ... not person. If you do not like the two party choices, then could all the various non-two party members please forma a single decent 3rd party with enough voice to oust the old 2?

If Christ were politcal (which I don't think he would be) then he would be smart enough not to throw his vote away on being independent.
 cncgandolf
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Posted: 9/9/2008 9:52:04 AM
"What I am trying to find out from most here is what form of government Jesus is most linked to."

Since I live my life by surrendering my will and my life to the guidance of Christ, that would make him - currently - my benevolent dictator. I live by his dictates.
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 9/9/2008 10:54:17 AM
This is really easy.

Just look at societies that have tried to organize around Christ's teachings. Diggers and Levelers; Hutterites; Shakers; etc. It would be pacifist and communist.
 exodusi1
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Posted: 9/9/2008 12:10:28 PM
I think he was pretty much an anarchist as well. . . I don't think he worried too much about politics, he seemed content to make a difference in ordinary people who were suffering.

I still love the fact that it was pointed out that he was a community organizer, while Pilot was a governor. . . I wish I had thought of that!
 eeeo4U
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Posted: 9/10/2008 4:22:04 PM
04, thank you for saying what I said in a much more thoughtful and articulate way!
 cncgandolf
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Posted: 9/10/2008 4:57:23 PM
"democrates are for abortion "

Not true. I am a pro-life democrat ... many of us are. We just aren't extremists like Palin.
 kabiosile
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Posted: 9/10/2008 5:12:24 PM


He wouldn't be a republican because,thou shalt not kill meaning republican's "Bush and mccain are for war"and republicans are for big oil and big money and the democrates are for abortion so i think Jesus would just not participate at all


I am pro-life but I am also pro choice as well. What does this mean? Well I do not agree with abortion would never do it.(Though I must hasten to point out that I am not a woman)
I also do not agree with war nor the death penalty. thus I am truly pro-life. Like Jesus however I believe people have free will and should be allowed a choice to do what they feel is right. Forcing people to do what someone considers to be the "right thing" is worse than the person choosing on their own into doing the "wrong thing."



That means people can be Anti-Abortion and still be pro-choice. It's a no brainer once again republicans are merely playing a word game toying with your emotions, claiming that they are pro-life when they are not. They believe in war the death penalty so they are hardly pro-life what they are is ANTI CHOICE.

This issue comes down to one thing. Choice.
 Draskinn
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Posted: 9/10/2008 6:36:05 PM
HWJR

How Would Jesus Rule?

I’m betting benevolent dictatorship…

No really, did anyone vote for God? See DICTATOR!

I’m so going to hell for that joke…
 gtomustang
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Posted: 9/12/2008 5:11:00 AM
Jesus would want a theocracy, of course :)

He was quite closer to hippidom than to megachurches, yes. The same people who ignore the Gospel of Matthew (which trace Jesus of Nazareth to those swarthy Egyptians, not to a white skinned, blue eyed Teutonic who would have a sunburn down in the Promised Land), who like to think Jesus of Nazareth was not telling us to worship His Father, but to create a new religion named after Him, don't like to admit that Jesus was, drugs aside, a lot more like the hippies and their social views.

Jesus, perhaps, would have been against polluting the planet His Father created to profit certain companies, when the sun His Father created provides energy. He probably would have prefered we take care of the Least Among Us. And so on.

As for the issue of abortion...its not really a matter of pro-life or pro-killing, its pro choice or anti-choice. Would Jesus want us to have choice? In other words, free will to commit what may be a sin?
 designingwoman
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Posted: 9/12/2008 8:15:09 AM
Kabio tells it like it is! Anti choice should be the term for those who are against abortion but support war and the death penalty. Thank you!

He is the genuine article when it comes to being pro-life: against war, the death penalty and abortion.

There are many progressives who have mixed views on abortion. I agree with the pro life side that abortion is wrong, but I can understand if a woman is raped, a child is molested and gets pregnant, or in the case of incest. Abortion should NOT be used as a form of birth control. I also favor strong promotion of adoption as an alternative to abortion. So many families would love to adopt a baby. I will not, however, vote for an evil politician just because he says he's against abortion. In fact if one calls himself pro life but supports unnecessary war or the death penalty, he's lost my vote right off the bat!

Being truly pro life is more than just about abortion. I expand that view to supporting programs that provide health insurance and other needs for poor children. We must care about our children once they are born, too.

I think the closest government to what Christ would support is the one found in Sweden, with a strong social democracy. Their government provides health care for all, but also gives people freedom to own businesses. They also stress the importance of taking care of the planet that Christ's Father created.

Jesus would not support corporate greed, helping the rich while ripping off the poor, or polluting the planet. Jesus was the ultimate liberal!!
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