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 Itsascandal
Joined: 9/10/2008
Msg: 1
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Hello,

I've been considering leaving Los Angeles. I have been here for 5 years. I am tired of renting and the LA lifestyle. Sure. I have a nice apartment in West LA all to myself. But so what? Renting is throwing your money. I figure in the past ten years I've spent over $130,000 in rent.

The rich own everything in Los Angeles. According to statistics 65% of the population rents. The high taxes. The traffic tickets. The smog. The absence of nature. The COL index. I ask you. Why even live here?

I was browsing the MLS. Finally I find a house in West LA located in Redondo Beach under $800k. It's a $600,000 dilapidated 2 bedroom/1 bath shack built in 1952. You have absolutely got to be kidding me. This house looks straight out of a low income area in the Midwest. For $600,000? Who can afford this? And more importantly who would even want to!? I have a very good grasp of money and finances. My position is grounded in old school fundamentals. I say even if you make $175k per year it makes no sense to pay $600k for a house. Under ANY circumstances. Much less one that looks like that.

Why do so many people want to live here!? And they just keep coming. I just dont get it. Is it the media? I came here originally becuase I was searching for somthing in life and believed there were better opportunities here. However now I'm having second thoughts.

You can live in so many American cities and outlying areas even making a $50,000 /year salary, heck, even a $30,000 salary, and live a much better quality of life and have a much higher standard of living. For instance in certain areas of Texas, you can afford a brand new 2 story house in the sub-burbs for $100k in some cases even less!

I would like to know if anyone else has ever thought the same thing. I would like to know why you moved here and/or what keeps you here. If you like it here (as so many of these profile suggest) I want to know what you like about Los Angeles so much (if anything). Because as the months go by I'm having a harder and harder time seeing it.

Thank you.
 Itsascandal
Joined: 9/10/2008
Msg: 2
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Posted: 9/24/2008 11:16:33 PM
Hello,

Thanks. I appreciate your insight. There are allot of things to do in Los Angeles. But as far as nature goes it's a 2-4 hour drive and my RR gets 11 mpg.

I do like the variety. There is so much to do. I really like the West Holly wood and Santa Monica areas. But the problem is cost. Even a traffic ticket here. I get a $150.00 ticket and the judge says the state is bankrupt and all the tickets are now 3 1/2 times the original amount.

It's also about you want to accomplish in life. For people who want to party for the rest of thier life and re-live the sitcom Friends to its fullest - then this is the perfect place. However I'm going to be 30 in less than 2 years. And it really bothers me that I do not have a house. And I know that if I stay here I will probably never be able to afford one (99%). LA is a fantastic place to live if you are rich though. If I made over 500k per year it would be my first choice for sure.

Your right. We dont know what is going on with the housing market. However in West LA (anywhere) now it seems you can get a house for only "850k" instead of "1.1 million". Wow what a bargain. Of course you can always find homes east of the 405 for 500k. But we all know want they look, and more importantly, what kind of environment they are located in. Another option is to sit in traffic for 5+ hours a day driving to Morreno Valley, the Inland Empire, or another affordable residential location well East of LA. However once you take into consideration the cost of gas and time and put it on an excel spread sheet (like I did) it's not a reasonable option.

I would really like to live in an area where you can have total privacy, yet be less than 30 minutes from a metropolitan area.

I dont have many friends here and I do not have any family. My family misses me very much.

However at the same time I own my own business here and I feel like if I leave I will have wasted the last 5 years of my life. It's like admitting defeat or somthing. So hard to choose.
 Itsascandal
Joined: 9/10/2008
Msg: 3
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Posted: 9/24/2008 11:21:15 PM
Hahaha. Thanks. Was the quality of life change worth it? What about your health? Seriously did you notice any differences? There is so much manufacturing here. I'm
always wondering what kind of chemicals they are putting in the air. I live in El Segundo in West LA next to Manhattan Beach. Somtimes at night when the air is really still I walk outside and it smells like metal.

When I was getting ready to land at LAX a few weeks ago there was like this, massive, yellow, flat cloud thing. Once the plane went into it you could literally smell L.A.
 matchlessm
Joined: 11/11/2007
Msg: 4
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Posted: 9/24/2008 11:32:22 PM
Some of us jus live hear because bean brawt up in L a we dont know better, if you go to bell hawine garden cutahay PanaRama City and so on you can find cheaper howses, also meat a better class of people in those plaices No Hole foods their but, hell pionear Chickin is better valeu any way
 Itsascandal
Joined: 9/10/2008
Msg: 5
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Posted: 9/26/2008 1:43:51 PM
Less than $400,000.00 ? In Santa Monica? Your mistaken buddy. You were looking at CONDOS. Yes, you might be able to find a SHOE-BOX for just under $400,000.00 in Santa Monica. And then you can expect to pay HOA fees of $250-500 every month, which is essentially throwing your money away. It's a suckers bet. I would only buy a condo if this was a stable, rising, or neutral Real Estate market.

Santa Monica is one of the most expensive place to live in the USA.
 Itsascandal
Joined: 9/10/2008
Msg: 6
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Posted: 9/26/2008 9:25:08 PM
No. It's my personal belief that Realtors are at worst, professional liars, or at the best salespeople. Trust me if you do the work yourself you dont needs Realtors anymore they are just middlemen in the way. They take huge commissions, and if you calculate all the interest your going to pay back (since the Realtors commission is included in the home loan) you would be shocked at how much that commission actually costs you. They get it right away, but you spend the next 30 years paying it back. Just so someone can smile and give you a home tour. Not worth it. I avoid them if I can.

This one in Long Beach, this sounds to too good to be true, let me take a look. Heck I would pay that much for the land. Even in the ghetto. Thank you for your message.
 Itsascandal
Joined: 9/10/2008
Msg: 7
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Posted: 9/26/2008 9:31:50 PM
Dear,

It's absolutely easier in less expensive areas (as long as you have a job). I know of people back in FL who are waitresses and bartenders and own thier own homes. It's a salary vs. cost of living comparison. You can live in Austin Texas and make $50k per year and afford a nice brand new home in the burbs. You can't beat that. I'm this close to shutting down my business and going home. If your not rich (or a spoiled heir at least) then what kind of future is there in LA, or So-Cal for that matter? How do you build an asset base for stabilty and furture retirement and build equity and wealth here given the sheer costs? And goodness forbid if you have kids. I mean what kind of environment are they going to grow up in here? It is just impossible .
 TheLimey
Joined: 2/24/2008
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Posted: 9/27/2008 12:14:59 AM
The rich own everything in Los Angeles. According to statistics 65% of the population rents. The high taxes. The traffic tickets. The smog. The absence of nature. The COL index. I ask you. Why even live here?

You moved to the wrong part of LA. No smog here, most homes are owned, not rented, my property tax is $1400/year, more nature than I need & this part of the county has 50mph speed limits on most of the streets, a couple are even 60mph... 2 acre horse properties are about $150k right now...
More fool you for "living down the hill"
 horses44
Joined: 9/10/2006
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Posted: 9/27/2008 7:39:59 AM
Scandal - I can't give both sides, as I was born here, and if there were circumstances I would leave, but they would drag me kicking and screaming to the border.....

This is a self absorbed city, as we know, this is where "dreams happen" becoming an oscar nominated actor/actress, a rock star, model......and we know where 99.9% of those dreams end up - circling the drain.

There are a lot of phoney people here, more than other cities? Probably - but frankly it is one of the things I love about it

I will re-interate what has been said here, culture, great food, museums, enough silicone to form a hazardous waste site.

And you do live in some pricey real estate, I lived in the valley for many years and LOVED it, now live in Glendora, cute town, but lacks sophistication - now I hope my neighbors don't start bashing me - it just a matter of taste. I would move back if I could afford it in a red hot second, but my income won't allow it.

Perhaps it has been mentioned, but you are a young gentleman, if you are living in West LA you could probably live in another city without the hassle and cost - and maybe it is something you should consider - you may move and say "Whew, glad to be out of that rat race" OR "When can I move back to that self absorbed city?"

Good luck to you
 Itsascandal
Joined: 9/10/2008
Msg: 10
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Posted: 9/27/2008 11:48:47 PM

You moved to the wrong part of LA. No smog here, most homes are owned, not rented, my property tax is $1400/year, more nature than I need & this part of the county has 50mph speed limits on most of the streets, a couple are even 60mph... 2 acre horse properties are about $150k right now...
More fool you for "living down the hill.


Where is this? How far is it from West Los Angeles ? Everything I saw east of the 405 was awful. It's so bad I will pay outrageous rent to live in West Los Angeles rather than live over there. And most people reading this know what I'm talking about.

Properties for 150k? WHERE ? Please name a specific town. Something less than a 2 hour drive on the 105 East?

 TheLimey
Joined: 2/24/2008
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Posted: 9/28/2008 7:08:56 PM
Where is this? How far is it from West Los Angeles ? Everything I saw east of the 405 was awful. It's so bad I will pay outrageous rent to live in West Los Angeles rather than live over there. And most people reading this know what I'm talking about.

Properties for 150k? WHERE ? Please name a specific town. Something less than a 2 hour drive on the 105 East?

Antelope Valley :)

& utility bills were mentioned:
No A/C here, I just run the swamp cooler 24/7 from March until Decemeber, That raises my electric bill from $60/month to $80.... gas bills average around $20/month

1 hour north of LAX...
 Itsascandal
Joined: 9/10/2008
Msg: 12
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Posted: 9/28/2008 8:24:21 PM

Antelope Valley :) & utility bills were mentioned: No A/C here, I just run the swamp cooler 24/7 from March until December, That raises my electric bill from $60/month to $80.... gas bills average around $20/month 1 hour north of LAX...


Wow Thanks. Never even heard of it. I'm checking the Real Estate listings on this area right now. Does the 1 hour include traffic? Or is it more like 2 hours with traffic?
 cosmopolitician
Joined: 7/19/2008
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Posted: 9/30/2008 10:59:39 AM
I think in general people move out to SoCal for job opportunities, weather, the beach, the diversity.

We moved here ages ago, because my dad started a new job. So, yeah job opportunities & weather.

The myth that everyone here looks like they popped out of a fashion magazine doesn't help either, I mean what you forget is how many plastic surgeons are located in SoCal, LOL!

Especially here in Orange County there's a handful of reality shows now that portray the OC as being super glamorous, one big party, most of that is probably deserved & contributes to the appeal I would say.
 TheLimey
Joined: 2/24/2008
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Posted: 9/30/2008 9:32:28 PM
I've noticed one thing about living in the only part of LA with NO smog:
When I'm down the hill I don't wear sunglasses because the amount of light filtered out by all the crap in the air makes them obsolete, up here I can barely walk to my mailbox without them....
I usually take them off when I get down to Santa Clarita...
 TheLimey
Joined: 2/24/2008
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Posted: 10/1/2008 1:55:24 PM

This forum is depressing me. I just moved here and am thinking I made a big mistake. My profile is kind of based on the fact that I am really weirded out by Californians.

Don't judge California by what/who you see within 35-40 miles of the coast..
 cosmopolitician
Joined: 7/19/2008
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Posted: 10/1/2008 3:04:07 PM

I live in Hollywood. Maybe I'll go a little more south


Well, to be honest, OC is the same way...at least where live, near Newport Beach it is. Huntington Beach is a nice area, and actually San Clemente is also pretty mellow. South OC in general is just as materialistic, with just as rude/fake people as Holloywood if not more. I think the reality shows help to drive that.
 TheLimey
Joined: 2/24/2008
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Posted: 10/2/2008 10:53:05 PM
Homeless people have enough sense to stay away from this end of the county. In Winter they'd freeze to death & the Summer is so hot they wouldn't make it thru a day. We've had people die up here just walking a couple of miles from their broken down cars...
Can't say I've seen any graffiti around this part of town either .. or abandonded shopping carts..
& we don't have any problem with traffic, can drive across town in ajust a few minutes...

With that said, you couldn't pay me enough to move back down the hill ....
 TheLimey
Joined: 2/24/2008
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Posted: 10/7/2008 10:51:49 PM
As far as owning property there I agree that you need to be very rich to live even close to the comfort that I have in England.

Thats only true if you absolutely MUST live within a few miles of the beach. The property I have at the Northern end of LA county would have cost about 5x what I paid for it if it was in the UK....

The funny part is that all those people who have to live close to the coast don't get anywhere near the amount of sunshine we get on this side of the mountains. I frequently leave home in blazing sunshine only to drive into fog & drizzle down the the hill.... & then drive back into the sunshine when I drive back up the hill. Last Saturday was a perfect example: Pissing down rain in the SFV, Blazing sunshine in the AV.. :) No Smog AND no Marine layer
 New*Tattoo
Joined: 7/29/2008
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Posted: 10/8/2008 11:20:58 AM
Bein 35 years old & having been everywhere from Halifax, NS to Tierra Del Fuego, Redondo Beach is sincerely, my favorite place on the planet. Sure, I pay about 2k a month for rent, BUT, im less than 100 yards from the beach & for me atleast, there is no price tag for the inner peace that brings me. Redondo is just the ultimate, quiet lil surfbum town & its beautiful here.

As far as Hollywood goes...ehhh. I moved to West Hollywood when I was 17 & back then, West Holly / Sunset Strip ( Evrything from Vine St. & west) still had an identity & it was CRAZY. Back then, it was use your wildest imagination/ multiply by 10 & put a condom on it. THAT West Hollywood, is no more. Now, its a faceless, tourist trap & beyond lame. I Still head up there 2 check out some bands & hang at The Rainbow & The Viper Room, but, itll never be how it once was. Its a shame, coz, that 3/4 mile section of Sunset Strip was THE place to be.
 TheLimey
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Posted: 10/8/2008 12:43:35 PM

I am just saying that after living all over the country and traveling internationally for years, I have for the first time had trouble finding good warm genuine people.

Part of the problem may be the fact that males on here are blocked from contacting you...
 TheLimey
Joined: 2/24/2008
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Posted: 10/8/2008 12:54:46 PM
I was going to pass along details of a couple of places you'd meet ppl. but the 2 times I mentioned bars by name in these forums the posts have been deleted....

& btw the way, your msg blocking refers to gender..

no matter :)
 TheLimey
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Posted: 10/8/2008 1:27:05 PM
I wasn't the last time I checked :)

Your profile filters says:

msdenissen3 is not accepting messages from someone of your age or gender.


As for museums: give the Peterson a miss. Takes 45 minutes to go thru the place, twice.
I was told yesterday that "bug week" at the Natural History Museum is worth going to. Possibly the first week of April.
 TheLimey
Joined: 2/24/2008
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Posted: 10/8/2008 10:09:37 PM
Was with a group of friends the other week & noticed an odd accent among the group, asked the guy where he was originally from & he replied "here" LOL!
 Sirens Call
Joined: 7/29/2007
Msg: 24
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Posted: 10/9/2008 9:03:27 PM
I met Myth Los Angelth once. She was both beautiful and sunny. Her mountainous curves and coastal trails called to me. Her enticing melange of racially diverse oral pleasures were a feast to my taste buds. The Sound of her, waves crashing just as they reach their peak...

Wait. Does this make me a Cali-esbian?
 oceangirlnla1
Joined: 12/24/2007
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Posted: 10/9/2008 10:04:48 PM
I moved to California 2 1/2 years ago from Nebraska. I've wanted to move here for over 10 years but love and relationships kept me in Nebraska for most of my life. I finally found my freedom and came to California looking to find my creative side. Plus get away from the cold Nebraska winters. I wanted to live near the ocean but ended up in the Inland Empire/Rancho Cucamonga area. It's absolutely beautiful there. The first sales job I found was in Rancho C. I changed jobs and asked to be transfered to the Glendale area about a year later. I commuted from Rancho C to Glendale for 3 months (104 miles round trip). I found an apartment in the Hollywood area with everything I wanted. A pool, secured off street parking, ground floor apartment and they accept pets. The deposits were very low and rent is of course much higher than Nebraska. But a home is where you choose to make no matter what the cost.

As far as homeownership goes, it was a total pain in the @$$ in Nebraska. Even though, houses cost a 1/3 or maybe 1/4 of what they cost in LA, I hated forking out money every time something broken down. Maybe it's a girl or woman thing. I'd rather live in an apartment and have maintenance fix things (for free!). Plus you never really "own" a house. Unless you pay cash or pay off the mortagae. The bank owns it and you're renting from them...

If your dreams are to own a house, its really a great time to buy right now (if the banks have money to lend). You can drive up north or east of here and find a really beautiful home for 1/2 off of what it was 2 years ago.

I make the same money here as I would in Nebraska. What brings me to LA from the Nebraska...the ocean, mountains, weather, quirky, creative people, things to do and see, tales to tell and hear, music, Vegas hours away...the list goes on and on...is truly what brought me here and I plan on staying here for the rest of my life. I don't need to own a house or live in one to be happy.
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