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 webweebil
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"If you consider the world an extension of yourself, it becomes a better place."

"The only way I can explain the phenomenon is that it's occurring... outside of space and time."

"Consciousness is the ground of all being."

"The universe is one and we are one with it."

These are not proclamations from the latest Zen philosophy self-help book, nor passages from The Celestine Prophecy, nor quotes from a Marianne Williamson seminar. They are not even remarks from some Uri Geller video. These are statements from respected, mainstream scientists, engineers, and researchers, respectively: Brenda Dunne, a developmental psychologist at the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research laboratory (PEAR); John Haaland, president and CEO of Mindsong Inc., an electronics firm developing mind-matter machines; Amit Goswami, professor of Physics at the Institute of Theoretical Sciences at the University of Oregon; and Victor Stenger, professor of physics and astronomy at the University of Hawaii.

Have all these respected scientists and engineers suddenly fallen under the influence of some New Age cult? Hardly. But they are converts of another kind, perhaps, since they are on the cutting edge of serious ESP and psychokinesis research - mind over matter. Not too long ago, if one brought up the subjects of ESP or telekinesis to a scientist, they would have readily been dismissed as "paranormal" and relegated to the purview of "fringe science" and unworthy of serious investigation. This stuff was considered unprovable, and left to the imaginations of New Age gurus and others thought of as wackos. This is not to fault those scientists; it's their job to be skeptical and to be able to prove, as best they can, whether or not something is true or likely.

Now science is doing just that with regard to some forms of ESP and telekinesis. Research conducted at Princeton University and other research laboratories around the world is confirming that thought alone can influence random events. With the aid of computers, sensitive instrumentation, and robotics, science now has the tools with which to test and measure the subtle influences of the human mind and reveal how it can possibly affect inanimate objects, electronics, and perhaps other human minds. The implications are astounding and far-reaching.

Science is beginning to shake hands with the paranormal.

Mind Over Machine

Mind over matter.The PEAR lab at Princeton, under the direction of Professor Robert Jahn, uses a random event generator (REG) to conduct their trials. The REG is, essentially, a kind of electronic coin flipper that, if left alone, would generate as many heads as tails over a number of coin flips. However, PEAR's volunteers - normal people who do not claim to have any ESP powers whatever - are able to influence the REG to come up with more heads than tails, or vice versa. Certainly, they cannot make it come up heads every time, but the data shows that the influence is statistically relevant and much greater than chance. This is done without the benefit of electrodes attached to the head or any other kind of connection. More remarkable still, the volunteers do not even have to be in the same room with the REG. The lab in Princeton has produced results from volunteers as far away as Hungary and Brazil that are the same as those who are sitting just a few feet from the machine. Distance is irrelevant.

Jahn, Dunne, and their colleagues at PEAR don't know how or why people are able to influence their machines, they just know that they are. What's more, they have demonstrated that when using two volunteers who have an emotional attachment, the effects on the REG are even greater. The emotion of love seems to have a more powerful effect. This fact has prompted Dunne to theorize that the conscious human mind creates some kind of "resonance" with the surrounding world that lessens some of its randomness. "One form of this resonance," Dunne told Wired magazine, "is what we know as love. This emotional bond - the 'being on the same wavelength' - somehow reduces the entropy in the world a little bit. And random processes seem to reflect this reduction by showing a more organized physical reality."

Tricks with Chicks

This conscious or unconscious influence on the world isn't just a hidden power of the human mind either. Animals have also been shown to have an effect on machinery. In an experiment set up by René Peoc'h and the Swiss Fondation Marcel et Monique Odier de Psycho-Physique, a cage of chicks was able to influence the meanderings of a robot better than people were. The robot, a self-propelled little device called a Tychoscope, was programmed to wander in a random manner around an enclosed room. When the cage of chicks was added to the room, however, the robot's behavior changed dramatically, spending much more time in the half of the room where the chicks were. Did the chicks will the robot to stay near them? Possibly, because the chicks had a motive. One group of chicks in the experiment had been "imprinted" with the sight of the Tychoscope - in other words, it was the first thing they saw when they hatched. So it could be that they just wanted "mommy" near. For another group of chicks, the room was darkened and a candle was placed on the Tychoscope. Bringing the robot to their side of the room also brought light to the chicks.

A Quantum Effect

These are just two of the more dramatic experiments that are bearing out the reality of consciousness over matter. And it's interesting that these findings are being made at the same time that scientific research is proving the bizarre nature of quantum mechanics, which is showing that the mere observation of subatomic particles can affect how they behave. Are the Princeton experiments demonstrating some kind of biological quantum effect that we do not yet understand? Is the human brain - and the brain of each living creature, for that matter - a quantum device? Is the collective unconscious proposed by analytical psychologist Carl Jung and others actually a quantum effect?

That the conscious minds of living things can influence our reality has, of course, fantastic implications:

* Perhaps this is how evolution, in conjunction with natural selection, is actually directed.
* It may explain the "power of prayer."
* It may explain how animal instinct and group behavior works. (ESP in humans may be a dormant form of instinct that we can sometimes tune in to.)
* That we do, even in some small degree, create our own reality. Our destiny is literally in our own minds.
* Our minds, under certain circumstances, could create the effects attributed to poltergeists, ghosts, and a host of other so-called paranormal phenomena.
* That love is stronger than evil.
* That we are, in scientific fact, one with the universe.

Of course, all those mystics, yogi masters, religious nuts, paranormal junkies, and New Age thinkers have known all this is true for quite some time. It's just that now science is proving it. And once this truth is widely known and accepted by human beings, then we will have a powerful tool with which to change our world. This is just the beginning.

http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa062298.htm

 FrogO_Oeyes
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Correlation is not causation. Despite all the lofty claims and fallacious appeals to authority, I'm not seeing anything more than correlation. No mechanism or causative link is shown, just touchy-feely fill-in-whatever-"cause" you want suggestions.

Whether there is anything "real" to ESP or telekinesis remains to be seen. This ain't it.
 Vancer
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Posted: 10/5/2008 10:02:09 PM
That article is very old.
PEAR doesn't exist anymore. And while it did, even the parapsychological community criticized PEAR's questionable methodologies.

Once PEAR was closed they all left and started up the ICRL labs. They now require you to make donations to further their studies.
So give them donations already.
 toomuch13
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Posted: 10/5/2008 10:13:17 PM
OP, these studies are old. These studies are used by so many self-help snake oil con artists it is not even funny. The studies were proved to be flawed.
 webweebil
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Posted: 10/5/2008 10:19:59 PM
PEAR is now part of the International Consciousness Research Laboratories: http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.princeton.edu/%7Epear/index.html

ICRL is an international, interdisciplinary, and inter-generational consortium of some 75 members, most of whom have been associated with the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) laboratory as interns or research collaborators over its thirty-year history. Our goal is to extend the work of PEAR into a broader range of inquiry; to encourage a new generation of deeply creative investigators to expand the boundaries of scientific understanding; and to strengthen the foundations of science by reclaiming its spiritual heritage. Ultimately, we seek to integrate the subjective and objective dimensions of human experience into a self-reflexive Science of the Subjective.

This mission is pursued via collaborative initiatives in Basic Research , Educational Outreach , and Pragmatic Applications , all of which focus on the exploration and representation of the role of consciousness in physical reality. These are described in some detail on the Activities pages that follow. ICRL thereby serves as the coordinating hub of a diverse, yet unified community of participants bringing many varied skills and backgrounds to a shared vision for the future.

Initiated in 1990 by the founders of the PEAR laboratory, in its early years our organization functioned as a small informal consortium of colleagues from several countries and diverse professional backgrounds who met regularly to explore their shared interests in consciousness-related phenomena. In 1996 ICRL was formally incorporated in the state of New Jersey as a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit public foundation, under the direction of a distinguished Board of Trustees . Since then it has gradually expanded to include a broader network of scholars, currently representing some 20 different countries and a comparable number of academic and professional backgrounds.

Link to PEAR video: http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.princeton.edu/%7Epear/index.html
 Vancer
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Posted: 10/5/2008 10:25:12 PM
Honestly I don't think the people at PEAR themselves, were con artists.
They wasted a lot of time and money and even hurt their cause by misinterpreting data.

They honestly believe there is a golden door out there, they just don't care to find the 50 keys necessary to unlock it. The keys being technological advancements which could augment us in ways that could mimic what they are trying to prove already exists, regardless of how mundane that sounds.
 FrogO_Oeyes
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to strengthen the foundations of science by reclaiming its spiritual heritage. Ultimately, we seek to integrate the subjective and objective dimensions of human experience into a self-reflexive Science of the Subjective.

Loosely translated - throw out the objective science and start preaching pseudoscience. Fool people into believing it has objective validity by moving the goalposts and changing the definitions.
 webweebil
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Posted: 10/5/2008 10:31:33 PM
Actually, I agree, Vancer. If there were problems with their methodologies and they tried to cover up the shortcomings, it did hurt the cause. Doesn't prove that consciousness has no effect on reality or probabilities, but credibility is especially critical when conducting research on such a controversial subject.
 NoseyNeighbor
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Posted: 10/5/2008 10:40:59 PM
This is old, worn-out, debunked, over generalized, mass media confabulated research.

R.G.Jahn and B.J. Dunne (2005). The PEAR Proposition. Journal of Scientific Exploration, 19 (2), pp. 195-246.

The principle investigators stated their research:
"....has elicited complaints from some members of the traditional theoretical physics community who have perceived it as a prostitution of their more narrowly defined quantum formalisms."

Moreover, the researchers state:
"I believe that my knowledge and biases prior to undertaking the investigation
may have been a significant factor in obtaining our results. My current working hypothesis is that the investigator, patient, and REG co-function in a state of resonance and that the REG output is a manifestation of the functional unity of the triad."

When one looks at the correlation data, it's weak. Moreover, correlation does not mean direct causality and most likely concomitant variable(s) such as probability of occurrence. They made a mountain out of a molehill.

Rabin's "Intent" studies (2006) also "showed" significant effects. However, when looks closer at the experimental design, one sees his results were based more on probability than intent. In other words, Monte Carlo studies showed the same results. Type I Error.
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Scienceblogging.com has a story up claiming that Harvard scientists have resolved the question of ESP - it does not exist:

The scientists used brain scanning to test whether individuals have knowledge that cannot be explained through normal perceptual processing.

"If any ESP processes exist, then participants' brains should respond differently to ESP and non-ESP stimuli," explains Moulton. "Instead, results showed that participants’ brains responded identically to ESP and non-ESP stimuli, despite reacting strongly to differences in how emotional the stimuli were and showing subtle, stimulus-related effects."

...Does this conclusively prove that ESP does not exist? "No," says Moulton. "You cannot affirm the null hypothesis. But at the same time, some null results are stronger than others. This is the best evidence to date against the existence of ESP.

I'm not sure I get the whole premise of the experiments, which appear to be making broad assumptions about a (possible) human ability and then testing those assumptions - namely, that there will be a difference in the brain scans. But I'll have to read the actual paper before I can offer any detailed comments.

However, parapsychologist Dean Radin has commented on the new paper on his website:

I congratulate the authors of this paper because unlike many who hold strong opinions about this topic, they actually conducted an experiment. However, I disagree with their assertion that this single study resolves anything. Like any new experiment, all it really does is raise new questions.

There are so many points I could respond to in this paper that I was tempted to write a comprehensive reply. But then I remembered that I've already written one. It's called Entangled Minds, which apparently these authors have not read. Nevertheless, a few comments:

1) The authors overlooked four previously reported fMRI psi studies, all four of which reported significant results.

2) Compelling personal psi experiences are dismissed as fallacious beliefs due to cognitive biases. I fail to see how one or more of the known cognitive biases can conceivably explain even the example they provide of a crisis telepathy experience, to say nothing of thousands of similar experiences. Obviously if someone was constantly reporting such experiences, but only one in a thousand times the experience was verifiable, then such anecdotes wouldn't carry much evidential value. But that is not the case. These are often once in a lifetime experiences, and they shatter previously held beliefs. The irony here is that a case can be made that one of those experiences started the neurosciences!

3) The authors made a common mistake by asserting that independent ganzfeld meta-analyses failed to successfully replicate, citing Milton & Wiseman (1999). Unfortunately, that meta-analysis, which is often used to cast doubt on the repeatability of the ganzfeld results, was statistically flawed and underestimated the overall p-value. When corrected, in fact it did result in a significant overall hit rate.

4)One participant out of 16 showed significant fMRI differences consistent with the psi hypothesis. The authors examined three alternative explanations for this result, and concluded that idiosyncratic responses accounted for the significant results. Unfortunately, this explanation reveals a flaw in the underlying design of the entire experiment. If it is possible to dismiss one individual's results as an artifact, then there is no reason to have confidence that the rest of the data is artifact-free.

5) The experimental task is new, and complex. As far as I know, there is no precedence justifying why we think this procedure might work at all. This reminds me of a paper published in The Humanistic Psychologist a few years ago in which two skeptical psychologists reported a series of eight ganzfeld experiments, which overall produced a significant result. They did not like this outcome and so they conducted another study using a new, untested, ad hoc design, and it resulted in a significantly negative outcome. They then used that last study to dismiss the results of the first eight studies. In the present case, explaining away the one participant who showed a significant result also potentially explains away all other significant results, in which case why did they use this design in the first place?
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Since I started reading on the "Pineal gland" my thoughts have turned to peraps this is where ESP ,dreams and visions come from. I wonder about birds, when they fly in a flock with arial manovers...seems everyone gets the same message ,at the same time...amazing to see...even schools of fish all acting as one in movement.
I think once we learn how to activate own Pineal Gland as it is intended ,then we will have many of the question of life answed
 NoseyNeighbor
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parapsychologist Dean Radin has commented on the new paper on his website:


Radin is not a parapsychologist he has MS in Engineering and Ph.D. in Psychology from the University of Illinois. The Institute of Noetics has produced nothing more than unvalidated conjecture. Dean Rabin is considered "flaky" in scientific circles.

Radin, like others ...jumped on the QM bandwagon with his now debunked "Intent" studies. He like Penrose, Hammeroff, Haglin, and the crystal ball reader Ramtha wanted to make money.

Ramtha's School of Enlightenment funded the fable and offers you a chance to be a QM mind reader for 5 grand.

Hard core physicists protest the premise of QM related consciousness as authors and film makers distorted QM principles to fit their agenda.
 webweebil
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Here's a very good video on the pineal gland, twister. The pineal contains DMT, which is a class A narcotic according to our friendly nannies and consciousness police, the Federal Government. I guess we're all "holding."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W5xT3iQ3G8
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You know what. Everyone's veiw of what telekenetics is I totally think is wrong. You know people talk about it being just you as simple as perceiving ones thought's as your own. But I myself have experienced it, I do not care if you call me a liar, I have. It's strange it creeps me out.. I'll explain it though. Well alot of people think we have vibrations around us, and everthing else has one too. Well I believe your thoughts have vibrations as well, more like frequencies I like to think of them as, like a radio for example. And when to people are on the same frequencies they pick up the same things, the same thoughts. And that goes along with to say that there is a joined conciousness that consists of many frequencies, inevitably saying your thoughts are not your own. Save for your vitals body's. But yea, you know you get one these same frequencies like a radio, and you can just tune into each others heads. That's where you get these conversations you have with your friends and you're saying different things, but then you come up with the same answer or same punch line whatever.
I don't know, it's strange. Maybe I experienced something else, but you know I have no "facts" so discount me for all I care (said with sarcasm)
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Honestly I don't think the people at PEAR themselves, were con artists.
They wasted a lot of time and money and even hurt their cause by misinterpreting data.

The presidents a con man too, not to mention all the damn banks in the world.
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Good point. The only difference is, they have a message of fear and lack while the former had a message of hope and upliftment. I find it interesting how intolerable those who attempt to help humanity rise above their current condition are to die-hard skeptics than the outright crooks and liars. People are funny...

In the matrix, we had agents of the "machine" who knew they were in an illusion and worked directly for the matrix, then we had the humans, through their ego and refusal to wake up be inadvertent allies to the matrix. I used to blame the ones who were instituting and engineering our enslavement. Now, I think they are no worse than the people who perpetuate the status quo through their short-sighted pride in being "right" above all else, because some authority says they are. They are the perfect slave, for they patrol themselves and others in return for a chance to preen their egos.
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I like you. I agree. You know, I used to have a problem with the forces that controlled also, but it is as much the masses who are to blame as the people who control them. If they didn't let it happen, it wouldn't. I'm just pissed that I get grouped in with them.
 Gotapulse
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Scientists at Princeton University, et. al. prove ESP and telekinesis are real, measurable phenomena

No they didn't.

If I had to bet my currently inconsiderable fortune on it, I would bet that they never will prove any of this stuff either. That's just my opinion though.
 Vancer
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Posted: 10/6/2008 12:49:51 AM
Just think of skeptics and wishful thinkers as a natural extension of the counterbalance mechanism.
Wishful thinking has often lead to discovery on many levels, but cumulative misinterpretations are dangerous when allowed to persist and continue to interact with each other.

In my opinion, baby steps and prudence, are not so bad.
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Posted: 10/6/2008 1:58:55 AM
This is an interesting topic, one that I have experienced myself. At first I thought it was just an accident, then when I worked more with it, it occured more frequently.

Of course there are those that will want to call it fallacious and fanciful thinking... SO be it, I have no problem with it, because it doesn't rule my life, but rather at an interesting aspect to a potential.

Animals uses this type of communication on a very regular basis, as well as what another poster stated, where there is a vibration level from others, and living creatures.

I I have watched a lot of the dog whisper, and Dog town, and one of the major techniques is to control how one thinks, because that thinking, will reflect on how the animal behaves... I have used these techniques and they have worked...

Vancer I concur, one can't take a gigantic step from one theory, and turn it into truism, because that is completely unviable in the scientific world...

As the other poster stated, and also I agree, thought is formed under electrical impulses... Why wouldn't these electical impulses be able to transmit beyond the brain and skull casing???? There hasn't been enough study to even KNOW how thought works, or how it gets imprinted on the brain cells. So without knowing this, jumping to a full understanding of ESP, is one hell of a far leap...

All things have a vibration level, because we are one a living organism, and our vibration levels are particular to us, just as our scent. Two, we have a vibration level because of our molecular structuring, and movement on a cellular level, as well as an electrical level... All different forms of energy, which creates a vibration field...

Ahhhh yes, baby steps, and continuing to question and research... Interestingly, we have done a turn about in the scientific community, where insects, and animal behavior, and ways of function has been considered an aid in helping humans...

What if ESP was a way we ONCE communicated, but it didn't function as well for a large group, and the human mind simply evolved beyond that use???
 Vancer
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I would be a little scared if we once used ESP to communicate, and as you said it didn't function that well and we conditioned ourselves to stop using it.
I mean imagine all the information one can send.
Then imagine all the possible buffers, filters and interference nature could allow over time.

One person thinking 'God damn, must say those are some cool skills you have now.'
Could be recieved as 'God... must....kill you...now.

I'm just being silly because I can't sleep. My tummy is hurting so bad.
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Posted: 10/6/2008 7:22:09 AM
Between this thread and the one about "the earth is growing", I can't help but woner if there is some sort of contest to see who can come up with the flakiest topic!
 twister239
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Thanks for the link Webweebil.



The pineal contains DMT, which is a class A narcotic according to our friendly nannies and consciousness police, the Federal Government. I guess we're all "holding."


I made a fresh batch last night..just wish I could remember what I did with it..


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"I I have watched a lot of the dog whisper, and Dog town, and one of the major techniques is to control how one thinks, because that thinking, will reflect on how the animal behaves... I have used these techniques and they have worked..."

While I can't say that ESP is impossible, I think there is a much more likely reason that you are supposed to control how one thinks in these situations........because you are constantly giving off non-verbal queues. Animals, not being able to verbally communicate efficiently, are much more attuned (as in able to detect, not in any supernatural sense) to interpretting non-verbal queue's. Body language / posture is their main way of communicating.

We as humans also send off many non-verbal communications through our body language, we just use them to a far lesser extent than other animals because we are able to talk as well. Most people don't even notice what they are doing with their body, so they don't even realize that they are sending signals. That is why when dealing with animals, you are supposed to control how you think, so that you aren't sending out unwanted signals of fear / submissiveness to the animals (because you don't even know that you are doing so).

On the other side.... people don't often conciously think that they are picking up on someone else's body language, although you are. There are some obvious examples that most people can recognize such as crossed arms = insecurity / anger, avoiding eye contact or touching your face or neck = lieing. But there are also thousands of gesture's that you pick up on every day and you react to them without even knowing that you are doing so.
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Posted: 10/6/2008 2:21:59 PM
I'd like to see the construction details of their randomizers. If they're fully digital randomizers, they aren't random - they're actually predictable. If they're based on white noise, they may be fully random... but the white noise source may be influenced by external conditions such as a slight increase in temperature or a damping of EFI.

I'm not denying that it works... but I'm also not conceding that it works. There's far too little repeatable data available to make that judgement.

If it does work... the term "statistically significant" is pretty important here. That means "slight but measurable". It doesn't mean "dramatic" or "pronounced". I'm afraid we're a long way from Common Magic, although we may have some slight influence on our environments by virtue of intent.

While we think about that, we can busily busy ourselves having a pronounced influence on our environments by other means - social, physical, et cetera. In short, there are easier, more effective, and repeatable means of getting things done.
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