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 desertrhino
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I suspect the problem is the Earth keeps expanding faster than we can drill, and this binds the drill shaft, causing repeated breakages.
 desertrhino
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Kola Superdeep Borehole aka (Well to Hell legend)
Posted: 10/17/2008 11:50:20 PM
It was a joke. I don't care. (and to be completely honest, I'll post where and when I wish... thanks, though, net-nanny.)

And you want to know WHY the 'expanding earth' theory fell out of favor as a competing theory with 'plate tectonics' over the last half-century or so? Because plate tectonics provided a better predictive base and fit the observed phenomena far better. Strangely, you've got the order of things backwards. Plate tectonics really only came into existence as a real theory, and then gained acceptance, in the 1960s. That there were a few holdouts who refused to move on after they'd staked their reputations and careers on the older theory is hardly surprising. I had professors like that all through grad school. Sad, really.

It's nice to see you're taking the effort to at least google some references, though.
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
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Kola Superdeep Borehole aka (Well to Hell legend)
Posted: 10/18/2008 10:28:36 AM
This seemed like such a cool idea... and it sounds like it became a huge success for all kinds of science to learn more about the planet... Why haven't we super sized this idea and found ways to go deeper and learn more? You would think with everything we can build in todays times, we could find a way to drill in temps above 300.


The reasons are fairly simple: (1) Deep drilling is technologically very difficult and expensive; (2) Deep drilling lacks any forseeable use which could be profitable; (3) In order to get funding for deep drilling as scientific research, a scientist first has to write a proposal that explains the scientific goals and estimates the likelyhood that his proposal will acheive those goals; (4) Since it IS expensive, that scientist will most likely need to convince a bunch of other scientists at many different institutions to join in on the project; (5) Since research is funds are finite, a proposal which gets funded necessarily results in others being rejected, so ultimately one has to decide between one very large and expensive project and many smaller projects in terms of how much science one gets for the dollar.

My guess is that a deep drilling project fails on most of those criteria. One may learn something, but no one knows what that might be to a great enough extent to justify the cost. The reality is that scientific research is not free from a cost-benefit analysis.
 Jiperly
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Kola Superdeep Borehole aka (Well to Hell legend)
Posted: 10/18/2008 1:31:14 PM
Learn more about our planet? Screw that- imagine the energy we could produce through boreholes! Not to mention the boon we'd find on diamonds- they'd immediately become the cheapest resource on the planet, and finally end the issue with Blood Diamonds.

As for why- its pretty simple- we do not have the technology to either drill that deep or survive the pressure
 Jiperly
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Kola Superdeep Borehole aka (Well to Hell legend)
Posted: 10/18/2008 5:29:03 PM
Granted, but that doesn't negate the fact that, at this point, we simply cannot. We don't know how.

Also, we've never sent a human being to another planet.
 Jiperly
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Kola Superdeep Borehole aka (Well to Hell legend)
Posted: 10/18/2008 9:40:48 PM
Nope! The Moon is not considered a planet- in order to be a planet, you must orbit a sun, not some smaller celestial body. Also, as Pluto has proven to us, you must be a certain size.

If you'd like to be exact, according to Wikipedia,the International Astronomical Union defines a planet as;

(1) A "planet"1 is a celestial body that: (a) is in orbit around the Sun, (b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape, and (c) has cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit.

(2) A "dwarf planet" is a celestial body that: (a) is in orbit around the Sun, (b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape2, (c) has not cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit, and (d) is not a satellite.

(3) All other objects3 except satellites orbiting the Sun shall be referred to collectively as "Small Solar System Bodies".

Mankind has, to date, never stepped foot on anything other than Earth, the moon, and the void of space
 Jiperly
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Kola Superdeep Borehole aka (Well to Hell legend)
Posted: 10/18/2008 10:10:28 PM
Yea, yer a gold miner, not a oil miner
 Jiperly
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Kola Superdeep Borehole aka (Well to Hell legend)
Posted: 10/19/2008 3:27:27 PM
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Could that not lead to your original drill hole being progressively enlarged due to the fantastic pressures involved?

Yes, its possible we could create the worlds first man-made Volcano- but if the location is chosen carefully, its unlikely to get worse. Mind you, this depends entirely on where its done- if its done along the San Andreas Fault, it might spread- if its done in Yellowstone, it might spread and destroy the entire continent of North America- if its done where there little tectonic movement, its going to create little backlash. The risks are great, but the rewards would be astounding

>>>Could this sudden “deflation” of the inner molten core also lead to a collapse of the earth’s crust elsewhere with dire subsequent consequences?

No more than if a new volcano were to appear in the world would cause serious damage

The great irony is that, for all our theories, we won't know for sure what is going on down there until we dig- so our simulations could be using flawed conclusions.
 Jiperly
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Posted: 10/30/2008 12:17:31 AM
Unlikely- the center of the Earth is a suspected to be hotter than the surface of the sun; Wikipedia reports it as 5700 K- from my understanding, any machine we would plunge into the center of the earth would melt instantly- and I doubt the silcoin chips would last even half way down.
 Merrylass
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Kola Superdeep Borehole aka (Well to Hell legend)
Posted: 3/2/2009 8:10:25 AM

alot of people, including scientist argue that the moon landings were faked since its never been repeated by any other country, including america since



No other country saw reason or had the funds. In case you hadn't heard, the next round of space exploration by the US will involve going back to the moon.

Conspiracy theorists = people who badly need a life.
 Jiperly
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Kola Superdeep Borehole aka (Well to Hell legend)
Posted: 9/3/2009 11:27:07 AM
>>> couldnt find the american flag thats supposedly waving on the moon.

Odd- we can clearly see them.

http://gizmodo.com/5317057/first-images-of-the-apollo-landing-sites-in-40-years/gallery/
 Twill348
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Kola Superdeep Borehole aka (Well to Hell legend)
Posted: 9/12/2009 10:26:10 PM
"We do now have electromagnetic heat shields,"

We do? I can find nothing about this on the web, do you have a source?
 desertrhino
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Kola Superdeep Borehole aka (Well to Hell legend)
Posted: 10/3/2009 10:25:14 PM

Do you think it would be possible to build a probe that could handle that heat/pressure, and swim around there collecting data?


No. Not for the foreseeable future. Next question?
 FrogO_Oeyes
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Kola Superdeep Borehole aka (Well to Hell legend)
Posted: 10/3/2009 10:59:10 PM
Um...no. It would have to get rid of the heat it's boiling in. A fridge or an air conditioner can only work because it creates a temperature and pressure differential and pumps heat from one area into another. Your hypothetical probe would be surrounded by a much hotter medium. It would have no way to pump excess heat, because there would be nowhere to pump it TO. The alternative would be to convert the heat into usable energy. Even so, ALL such heat would have to be used, or there would still be an excess to deal with. Back to square one. At the moment, and for the forseeable future...

No. Not for the foreseeable future. Next question?

is correct.

Imagination has squat to do with it. It's limitations imposed by very basic physics.
 desertrhino
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Kola Superdeep Borehole aka (Well to Hell legend)
Posted: 10/28/2009 4:09:09 PM

xzanthus: - Why would rocks weigh anything at the center of the earth?

Uhhh, the rock at the exact center of the Earth weighs nothing. The atom at the exact center.

The pressure comes from all the gadzillions of tons of rock ON TOP of the atom at the very center.
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