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 desertrhino
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Sitchin is hilarious. Thanks for pointing me to his inane, pointless ramblings.
 Samantha44
Joined: 10/25/2008
Msg: 4
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Posted: 11/23/2008 4:50:59 PM
I'm for :Panspermia (Gk. πάς/πάν (pas/pan, all) and σπέρμα (sperma, seed)) is the hypothesis that "seeds" of life exist already all over the Universe, that life on Earth may have originated through these "seeds", and that they may deliver or have delivered life to other habitable bodies.

The related but distinct idea of exogenesis (Gk. εξω (exo, outside) and γενεσις (genesis, origin)) is a more limited hypothesis that proposes life on Earth was transferred from elsewhere in the Universe but makes no prediction about how widespread it is. Because the term "panspermia" is more well-known, it tends to be used in reference to what should strictly speaking be called exogenesis.
 Phoebus2k9
Joined: 3/15/2008
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Posted: 11/23/2008 5:47:34 PM
Sitchin is hilarious ?

Well i would really love to see all this info that is brought into light shown as fact. Im really into this kinda work but til there is real facts about this i dont know if i could really keep up the idea. There are no other ideas out there, that made better sense. They all sound like BS to me. The human body is so conplex.


So much info is out there all you have to do is really really look. So much bs info as well but im sure there are alot of smart ppl who can get thru al the crap.

I wonder what you think of Jordan Maxwell. He sponsers Sitchin.
 stargazer1000
Joined: 1/16/2008
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Posted: 11/23/2008 6:22:03 PM
Then who made the aliens? And who made the aliens who made those aliens. See the problem?
 stargazer1000
Joined: 1/16/2008
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Posted: 11/23/2008 6:40:50 PM

When you say 'made' you automatically imply some divine creator.


Actually, no. That's a non sequitor. You are asking if aliens making humans is a plausible theory. The problem is, it only transfers the problem of natural evolution from here to the home of the aliens to the home of the aliens who made the first set of aliens.

No divine creation in question.
 Is too hot
Joined: 5/19/2008
Msg: 11
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Posted: 11/23/2008 7:23:24 PM

According to Zecharia Sitchin, the Sumerians speak about how a group of extra-terrestrials known as the Annunaki created man in their image. They did so to create a slave race of humans that would mind gold in what is now called Africa.


Have they returned for their gold? Why not? If they were that advanced, why not merely bulid machines to do the work as machines are more dependable and controllable than humans? What about all the gold elsewhere on the planet?


Again and again modern research supports the themes of the Sumerian Tablets. For instance, there was a sudden and so far unexplained upgrade of the human physical form around 200,000 years ago.


No, science does not support Sumerian mythology. First, you say that aliens created humans but you don't say how. Now, you are stating that humans were merely improved by aliens. You cite a data gap in anthropology as evidence for this although that fact does not support or contradict either of your posits.


Official science is silent on the cause of this and mutters terms like ‘the missing link’.


What is "official science"? Is it a drive-up window where any quack can spout idiocy and wait to have a lengthy and considered response? Nope.

The reason that most sicentists have not responded to Sitchin is that his ideas are just silly. For his claims to be true, modern man's DNA would have to be dramatically different than that of evolutionary precursors. It's not. Not by a long shot.

Be very wary of people of no scientific expertise, especially those who want you to believe that myths and legends are true based on a gap in the fossil record. Fossils are rare and can only partly tell the story of biological evolution. To think that a gap in the sequence opens the door for childish speculation is, frankly, ignorant.

Why in blazes do you believe Sumerian mythology over all the other mythologies of creation that exist today? What about Xenu and all the other ridiculous creators?
 FrogO_Oeyes
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Posted: 11/23/2008 9:17:57 PM

When you say 'made' you automatically imply some divine creator.

Not so, although a distinct comparison to creationism is being made. The problem in both cases is that an explanation is being taken from a cause without any evidence for its own existence. This is compounded by the fact that the "explanation" is an internal contradiction: man is too complex for me to understand, so something intelligent must have created him. All this does is defer the initial problem to a cause which is equally complex. How did such intelligent aliens or divine beings come into being?

Granted Sitchin isn't entirely accurate when it comes to the translation of the sumerian tablets

He's out to lunch. He claims sole authority, though he lacks any training. His authority is belied by the Sumerians themselves. Although the Sumerian language didn't survive long enough for us to decipher it directly, Sumer didn't exist in isolation. They were in contact with languages and cultures which still exist, such as the Greeks. As a result, they left behind multilingual dictionaries. Those who actually spoke, read, and wrote Sumerian and Greek left records which clearly show that Sitchin's "understanding" is fantasy. He's built his house of cards with no walls, and then proceeded to embellish it with further fantasies which have NO evidence at all.

I'm for :Panspermia

Thus far, there's no evidence for this either. It's not entirely precluded, but it faces the same problems as above: it doesn't actual answer the question of biogenesis. It simply diverts the question elsewhere and leaves it unanswered. It adds unneccesary steps to the questions, while offering fewer answers.

According to Zecharia Sitchin, the Sumerians speak about how a group of extra-terrestrials

Sumerians did not speak of extra-terrestrials. Sitchin does, and has force-fit his ideas into deliberately fudged ancient stories.

The Sumerian tablets describe how the genes of the Annunaki and those of the native humans were combined in a test tube to create the ‘updated’ human capable of doing the tasks the Anunnaki required.

Another Sitchin claim, not one of the Sumerians themselves. Bad translation force-fit to preconceived and unsupported ideas.

Again and again modern research supports the themes of the Sumerian Tablets

If by "themes of the Sumerian Tablets", you mean "Sitchin's claims about the Sumerian tablets", then this is false.

there was a sudden and so far unexplained upgrade of the human physical form around 200,000 years ago.

Support this please. What "upgrade" do you refer to? I can think of many fairly trivial changes over the millenia, and plentiful explanations to accompany them.

Official science is silent on the cause of this and mutters terms like ‘the missing link’

There is no "official science". There is science, which uses physical evidence and logical tests of alternate hypotheses in order to come to a most parsimonious conclusion. There is also pseudoscience, which makes any old claim the proponent wishes, regardless of whether it is supported by evidence or is in contradiction of natural law. Sitchin and his ilk are firmly in the latter camp.

But some unavoidable facts need to be addressed. Suddenly the previous physical form
known as homo erectus became what we now call homo sapiens

What is unavoidable is that this claim is false. Homo sapiens did not evolve from OR replace Homo erectus. We actually coexisted for a long time with Eurasian H.neanderthalensis, and FAR longer with Asian H.erectus. H.sapiens was preceded by H.heidelbergensis and H.antecessor. All of these may have descended from African H.ergaster and H.habilis.

From the start the new
homo sapiens had the ability to speak a complex language and the size of the human
brain increased massively

Also not true. This claim is dependant on a comparison of modern H.sapiens with much older species such as H.ergaster and H.habilis. Comparing to more immediate ancestors shows far less distinction and more gradual change. Comparing to contemporaneous species like erectus and neanderthalensis pretty much negates the claims entirely.

Yet the biologist Thomas Huxley said that major changes
like this can take tens of millions of years

Comparison with the views of a pioneering biologist born nearly 200 years ago is fallacious. Huxley's views don't come close to modern understanding or evidence of evolution.

This view is supported by the evidence of
homo erectus which appears to have emerged in Africa about 1.5 million years ago. For
well in excess of a million years their physical form seems to have remained the same

In fact, it remained pretty much the same, as this species overlapped with at least two other hominids at once. H.erectus did not become H.sapiens, but was eventually supplanted by it. Many species seem to have an existence of a couple million years before they die out or diverge into multiple distinct sibling species. The "sudden change" of erectus to sapiens is a myth.


I came across this article a while back, and thought it was definitely worth a read

WikiNews seems to have an article questioning Chang's part in the project [he does not speak on behalf of the project], but someone has erased the article and left only a rude comment.

The entire source you provide has an appearance of validity, but the article itself is tabloid hysterical fiction.

viz: "The non-coding sequences are common to all living organisms on Earth, from moulds to fish to humans."

In other words, the "extra-terrestrial" DNA they refer to...is found in EVERY life form on the planet. Yet somehow, in humans, the same DNA must have come from aliens. Seeing the problem here? 1+1=2, unless the authors wish for it to equal 3.

"Professor Chang is only one of many scientists and other researchers who have discovered extraterrestrial origins to Humanity."

False. To make such a discovery, they would first have to discover extra-terrestrial life [which no-one has done yet]. THEN they would have to show a stronger link between human life and extra-terrestrial life, than between and their hypothesized closest kin on Earth. That would be chimpanzees, who have more than 99% of their DNA in common with us including "junk".

The claim lacks critical evidence and contradicts strong existing evidence.

"Mr. Chang then affirms that the "First fact is, the complete 'program' was positively not written on Earth; that is now a verified fact."

Verified how? See above.

"Evidence for this idea is found (a) in the improbability of Homo sapiens emerging so suddenly, according to the principles of orthodox Darwinism; and (b) in the myths of ancient civilisations which describe human-like gods coming down from the heavens and creating mankind 'in their own image'"

Orthodox Darwinism? Myths of ancient civilizations? No-one follows "orthodox Darwinism", and neither of these claims is "evidence".

I could go on...and on...and on. I'll just add this:
http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/home.shtml

That's the official site of the project your reference claims to prove extraterrestrial origins. On that site, the word "extraterrestrial" appears only once:

1995: Lithoautotrophic Microbial Ecosystems in Deep Basalt Aquifers by T.O. Stevens and J.P.McKinley, Science 270:450. This article described a newly discovered microbial ecosystem, which may have served as a first life form on earth and perhaps even in extraterrestrial bodies. (PNNL)

In short, your source offers no science and no evidence.


Making the assumption that extra-terrestrials do exist


and indeed have visited Earth


then given the fact they're intellectually evolved to the point they can master space/time


I think it's fair to say that a few thousand years (since the dawn of man) really isn't that long of a time period for them

first - a reasonable assumption, though not supported by any direct or indirect evidence.
second - not a reasonable assumption, particularly in light of no proof of existence.
third - space perhaps, but time is not a given.
fourth - it's not fair to say. We can and do plan hundreds or thousands of years into the future, yep we rarely live more than a century, and seldom plan more than days or weeks in advance. There's no reason to think any other species would view the time span much differently.


The ancient astronaut theory adds credence to this,

No it doesn't. It's equally unsupported and just happens to agree. Since both claims tend to get intertwined, they're also not independant corroboration.


not to mention countless drawings (Usually of religious significance) that depicts UFOs.

That's "unidentified" flying objects. Some guy 750 years ago says he saw something in the sky. Clearly this is proof that Jimmy Carter sent flying stealth Lamborghinis back in time. Same evidence, equally valid conclusion.


Maybe this has been covered already in another thread

Yes. More than one. It's remarkable how little evidence is required to sell fallacies and pseudoscience to an indiscriminate audience.
 chrono1985
Joined: 11/20/2004
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Posted: 11/24/2008 7:59:50 AM
I use in a story the classical Humans came to be on such planet because of a large space craft packed with thousands of people crashed, the radiation the ship collected when crashing down prevented a lot of those people form surviving close to the ship forcing a migration away from the ship. It's a fun one to write from, the number of reasons the people several generations after that don't know how they came to be on the planet is as large as your imagination, if your clever they even sound plausible.
 scorpiomover
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Posted: 11/24/2008 10:49:03 AM
It depends. If you're an evolutionist, then this seems to suggest an alternative to the standard model, and so would depend on how dogmatic you are about evolution. If you're a creationist, then you might find this contradicts your sacred texts, but it's not really proposing something that much different.
 GGarbo
Joined: 10/8/2007
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Posted: 11/24/2008 2:14:22 PM
For alien lovers, I tell them this. We are all aliens...seriously.

The building blocks for our society flew through space before reaching here. This means, that those same building blocks flew in other directions meaning chances are, there is life like us out there somewhere.....our alien cousins.

I don't think humans were created specifically but life was created. It's a big mystery as to what started it all so feel free to fantasize all you want for now just know that it's not fact.
 Beaugrand®™©
Joined: 3/24/2008
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Posted: 11/24/2008 3:54:29 PM
I'd say it's more like baseless, implausible conjecture.

Is it "possible?"

Sure, why not? On the surface it seems to make as much sense as amino acids being formed in nature by lightning (except that amino acids have actually been formed in the lab with artificial lightning).

Is it "likely?"

No. I'll bet it sells a bunch of books, though.
 Born2bewild62
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Posted: 11/24/2008 8:04:55 PM
Somebody's reading too much Ian Douglas!
Must make a correction. The Annunikai - aka An did not create humanity. That was done about a million years prior by the Builders who operated from a base on Mars which they were attempting to terraform. They were in the process of genetically uplifting Homo erectus into the archaic Homo sapiens when the Xul- aka "Hunters of the Dawn" struck and wiped them out. The Xul which is Sumarian for ghoul or demon also smashed the reptilian An which colonized and exploited the human population of ancient Earth.
It's called the Predatory Survival Hypothosis. Explains why the silence of the stars is deafening. There's nobody else out there other than the Xul because they are systematically exterminating any technologically advanced life they encounter. We've so far managed to escape their notice- namely because the galaxy is a big place to cover and our ever expanding bubble of radio noise has yet to reach the nearest Xul listening post. When it does- they'll be back!
Woooooooooooooooooooooohooooooo!

JF
 stargazer1000
Joined: 1/16/2008
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Posted: 11/24/2008 8:17:11 PM

No. I'll bet it sells a bunch of books, though.


Wha!!??? Beau, I'm shocked. Such cynicism.

Wait! Are you saying he's tapping into the cottage industry of New Age believers who buy books related to the idea of alien visitors just to make...*shiver*...money?!

No way! And Erik Von Daaniken is surely living a pauper's life, isn't he?
 Jiperly
Joined: 8/30/2006
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Posted: 11/25/2008 12:42:09 AM
This belief system is needlessly complex- it admits evolution exists and created life- but it seems to doubt the ability of intelligence to form naturally. Well, strike that- since we're going from Homo Erectis to Home Sapain, that means you admit that life can create a creature capible of learning and thought further than that of a normal species, as well as admitting that this can form on other planets, but for some reason, humanity needed that extra kick in the ass to get going.

Why? If you admit intelligent life can form naturally, and assume that intelligent life has formed naturally elsewhere, then why do we need the aliens to begin with? Doesn't evolution already explain how humanity came to be? And the parts we don't know- what were the conditions to create a higher form of intelligence- you already admit was being enacted naturally.

This seems like a desperate attempt to equate space creatures with our creation, because it admits we don't need the aliens, but demands the aliens be there just to justify Sitchins beliefs.
 Phoebus2k9
Joined: 3/15/2008
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Posted: 11/25/2008 6:54:07 AM
Well, i think it has more to do with the human ego. We think WE are the ONLY ones who are in this WHOLE UNIVERSE. We are the greatest thing ever and nothing can be more intelligent then we HUMANS. Nothing else is alive like us and we are GODS favourite. Not only did GOd create 100's of trillions and trillions of Galaxies which have no life apparently to all these great minds down here on earth because you know we travelled far beyond our own galaxy to really know.

We barely know anything about the planets around us let alone others that trillions of life years away. To sit here and think we are the greatest thing ever in the universe.

Sadly we are not. Not sure when we will find out how badly we are behind but we will one day find out. We are so great yet there are many countries with ppl living in the worse conditions ever, yet we wanna spend trillions of dollars for bunch of crap instead of making a better life for your earthling brothers. We have lost ou focus and our sense of worth for one another. We are a bunch of self centered greedy pigs. We only care of #1. So even if there were other societies here they most likely dont respect us enuff to wanna meet us. We are ignorant and selfish as hell.


So party on and get wasted and keep watching you favourite shows because nothing else matters right !!!!!!!
 Oh-Zone
Joined: 11/18/2008
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Posted: 11/25/2008 4:02:29 PM
If there was a "god" that created us, why did he create us so poorly that our species has over 4000 heritable defects?
All cultures the world over tell about men who came from the sky. They created a human. They taught him agriculture, animal husbandry, and many other things useful to his survival. They were described as being tall, fair skinned with blue eyes and blonde or red hair.

Why do some of you think it so impossible for the universe to be teeming with life, including humans?
I support the idea that life the universe over is very similar. DNA is universal not unique to Earth.
Why would it be necessary for one species to "evolve" into another?

For those who think that humans "evolved" would you explain to me where these people fit in this .evolutionary train?
http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/pics/skulls.html
 Deo1970
Joined: 1/26/2008
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Posted: 11/25/2008 7:22:24 PM
Only the nasty x-tra terrestrial aliens come on this side of the universe.....you know the ones who are smart enough to conquer time and space but with a fascination for the human anus.

And dumb enough to crash in places like Roswell. The smart aliens stay away from this side of the fence, they know we live in the cosmic ghetto.
 Vancer
Joined: 10/29/2006
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Posted: 11/25/2008 8:03:19 PM
I was digging in the backyard to make a pool.
Yeah I know it's November, shhhh, be quiet.
Anyhoo, I found a stargate!
That should be proof enough, that we are indeed descended from other beings.
 Jiperly
Joined: 8/30/2006
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Posted: 11/26/2008 12:32:36 AM
>>>We think WE are the ONLY ones who are in this WHOLE UNIVERSE.

Ugh.......why does this topic have to be about the existence of aliens in the first place? Isn't there plenty of topics that already address this?

>>>Not only did GOd create 100's of trillions and trillions of Galaxies which have no life

That belief has nothing to do with ego- it has to do with hard evidence. And as far as evidence shows, yes, the universe is littered with lifeless worlds that are hostile to the only example of life known in the universe- our own.

To say that alien life is likely because the Universe is large is like saying Mermaids are likely to exist, since 3 times the surface of the planet is underwater than above it. Its a nice notion- but is there any evidence for Mermaids? No- Is there any evidence for extraterrestrial life? No.

On a side note, Hundreds of Trillions of Galaxies is an extreme exaggeration- theres likely to be 1/10 of one Trillion(100 Billion), but it could be less.
 Phoebus2k9
Joined: 3/15/2008
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Posted: 11/26/2008 8:47:46 AM
ARE YOU KIDDING ME ?

WOW now that is what i call EGO....as for saying fact that there is nothing beyond our galaxy...come on ppl we barely made it past the friggin moon ....geez man no one on here will ever open to ideas that they might not understand. its funny thoe. Sure dont open your mind to where it falls out come on....its call being realistic.

With the amount of planets and galaxies out there, which we have on clue as to how much. All of it is just speculation really. how can we say or think anything when we have not even been to Mars. Come on...

There could be a whole other huge society out there, or could be all space with planets with no life at all. We will never have any idea til we get some kind of way of travel that doesnt take us 1000 yrs to get anywhere
 Deo1970
Joined: 1/26/2008
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Posted: 11/26/2008 10:02:50 AM
I absolutley believe that life exists beyound our solar sytem, whether it be in our galaxy (Milky Way) or in some other planetary system in another galaxy. It's all comes down to the laws of probability.....numbers game.

Now how advanced that life form may be is a different story. The whole precept of little grey aliens buzing around space maybe a little far fetched, but single celled organisms on the path to evolution may not be.

Yes, life is a by product of the creation and evolution of the universe. Anyone who does not understand that lacks some serious cognitive skills...or maybe just too religiously mind screwed to accept logic.

There is actually a mathematical formula devised by a universal cosmologist in the 70's to look into the probability of life beyond ours.

It's called the 'Drake Equation". You might want to google it. It may just open your eyes. Very simple to understand.

Life beyond ours is like treasure in the sea. Just because it's out there does not mean we'll find it!...Me!
 stargazer1000
Joined: 1/16/2008
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Posted: 11/26/2008 10:21:27 AM

Why do some of you think it so impossible for the universe to be teeming with life, including humans? I support the idea that life the universe over is very similar. DNA is universal not unique to Earth. Why would it be necessary for one species to "evolve" into another?


We're definitely diverging from the OP. The question is not whether there is life in the universe but did we need them to make us, well, us. And the bottom line to that is no, there is no evidence. And why would it be necessary?

The need for "aliens" to move things along stems from two flaws: 1) People don't think nature on Earth is particularly capable of making its own way without "someone else" helping things along or 2) they're comforted by the idea of someone (something) smarter keep watch over us. Both, taken to extremes, can be very paternalistic and negate our own responsibility to our planet. Hey, why should we stop polluting and going to war when our alien brothers will come down, clean our mess and teach us a better way?

In my opinion, the universe is likely teeming with life. The elements and molecules that were essential to creating DNA are out there in abundance. Just as a radio astronomer. However, the idea that a species in close proximity sharing similar morphologies down to the molecular level finding each other is so remote as to be, well, astronomical! Chances are, even if there is a species out there in the 10 to the 22nd power stars out there even capable of space travel, it is highly unlikely they are aware of us.

Someone mentioned the drake equation. Remember, several of those factors in the equation are best guests at best and speculation at least. Therefore, it can estimate anywhere from 1 technological civilization in our galaxy (us) to millions.

Also, about the skulls. Some Peruvian cultures adopted the practice of modifying their children's head shapes from birth. I'm not sure of the reason other than to suspect it was religious. It's no different, in some ways, to how certain oriental cultures bound the feet of girls, some African tribes extend their neck lengths to extreme lengths through the addition of rings, etc. or add lip plates, etc. There's plenty of examples of extreme body modification.
 Phoebus2k9
Joined: 3/15/2008
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Posted: 11/28/2008 9:58:53 AM
Let God figure it out ? Well what he God doesnt care to and is not even around anymore lol...he most likely was forge this place man hopeless ppl...lol...

As as it is...most likely these are all and ONLY THEORIES....none of it has any solid proof. So i guess we are stuck til something solid proves otherwise huh...
 Jiperly
Joined: 8/30/2006
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Posted: 11/28/2008 5:04:36 PM
Yes, but as I pointed out already, Mankind was already well on their way to becoming an intelligent species without help from anyone- Homo erectus was the first to use and fashion tools- they were the first to live tradational hunter-gatherer societies, and the first to care for weaker or injured tribesmen.

There is no real reason we need to attribute aliens as giving humanity the evolutionary edge for human intelligence- There was already evidence they were developing it on their own, independantly.

Now, if they claimed to have 'touched' the Homininae subspecies- essientally monkeys- there would be room for argument for that- but then that completely contradicts evolution while still using evolution as a crutch for everything thats happened up to this point- not to mention fails to explain why it would take millions of years for the intelligence to appear.
 saintgasoline
Joined: 8/3/2007
Msg: 37
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Posted: 11/28/2008 7:53:32 PM
This theory is not plausible in the slightest. For one, we have no evidence of extraterrestial life at all, much less life that is highly intelligent, sophisticated, and close enough to the Earth to muddle with the organisms there. Second, your appeals to the "improbabilities" of language development and other things thought to be especially human are little more than arguments from ignorance that strongly resemble unnecessary creationist skepticism. Flight, too, also seems improbable on the face of it, yet you do not posit extraterrestials to explain flight. What about metabolism, the immunue system, etc.?

Second, and perhaps most devastating to the case for aliens, is the fact that the existence of aliens would also have to be explained, and we would have to reason that they evolved from simpler organisms. But if these aliens are so complex and sophisticated to be able to genetically engineer humans, then surely they couldn't have evolved (by virtue of your own argument for why humans couldn't have evolved), and hence they must have been created by even more sophisticated aliens, and they by even more sophisticated aliens, and so on and so forth until we reach an infinite regress. Obviously, the buck has to stop somewhere, and in the absence of any credible evidence for highly intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, it makes sense stop the buck right at our own origins on earth.

We evolved, plain and simple.
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