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 Joeld49
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POPE ATTACKS BLURRING OF GENDER

Pope Benedict XVI has said that saving humanity from homosexual or transsexual behaviour is just as important as saving the rainforest from destruction.

He explained that defending God's creation was not limited to saving the environment, but also about protecting man from self-destruction.

The Pope was delivering his end-of-year address to senior Vatican staff.
His words, later released to the media, emphasised his rejection of gender theory.

Speaking on Monday, Pope Benedict XVI warned that gender theory blurred the distinction between male and female and could thus lead to the "self-destruction" of the human race.

Gender theory:
Gender theory explores sexual orientation, the roles assigned by society to individuals according to their gender, and how people perceive their biological identity.

Gay and transsexual groups, particularly in the United States, promote it as a key to understanding and tolerance, but the Pope disagreed.

When the Roman Catholic Church defends God's Creation, "it does not only defend the earth, water and the air... but (it) also protects man from his own destruction," he said.

"Rainforests deserve, yes, our protection, but the human being ... does not deserve it less," the pontiff said.

It is not "out-of-date metaphysics" to "speak of human nature as 'man' or woman'", he told scores of prelates gathered in the Vatican's sumptuous Clementine Hall.

"We need something like human ecology, meant in the right way."

The Catholic Church opposes gay marriage. It teaches that while homosexuality is not sinful, homosexual acts are.

Rev Sharon Ferguson, chief executive of Britain's Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement, described the Pope's remarks as "totally irresponsible and unacceptable".

"When you have religious leaders like that making that sort of statement then followers feel they are justified in behaving in an aggressive and violent way," she said.
Story from BBC NEWS:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/7796663.stm

Published: 2008/12/23 1036 GMT



The Pope talks about the "self-destruction" of the human race through homosexuality as if it were a plague that could spread until all mankind is homosexual and therefore unable to reproduce. The next thing they’ll be trying to have people believe is that the Earth is the center of the Universe and that the Sun revolves around our earth.

Sounds to me like the Vatican has some of the finer minds of the 14th century running the show.
 geeleebee
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Posted: 12/24/2008 12:35:27 PM

"We need something like human ecology, meant in the right way."


WTF does that mean?
In the 'right' way? Electroshock therapy, maybe? Jolt those gay people back into 'normalcy'?
Or do we put homosexuals on an 'endangered species' list, and protect them?

The pope's pronouncement is vicious and ugly, in my opinion. What the hell was his real point?
 Joeld49
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Posted: 12/24/2008 12:40:27 PM

The pope's pronouncement is vicious and ugly, in my opinion. What the hell was his real point?


And here I thought it was in the Christmas spirit - A message from the Vatican trying to create peace in this world. I guess I'm just not bright enough to understand the wisdom of their ways.
 Montreal_Guy
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Posted: 12/25/2008 12:03:35 AM
Well, it only took the Vatican roughly four hundred years to straighten out that little Galileo misunderstanding......

See, he wasn't really a heretic, after all.


In 1633, the Inquisition of the Roman Catholic Church forced Galileo Galilei, one of the founders of modern science, to recant his theory that the Earth moves around the Sun. Under threat of torture, Galileo - seen (right) facing his inquisitors - recanted. But as he left the courtroom, he is said to have muttered, 'all the same, it moves'.

Last week, 359 years later, the Church finally agreed. At a ceremony in Rome, before the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, Pope John Paul II officially declared that Galileo was right. The formal rehabilitation was based on the findings of a committee of the Academy the Pope set up in 1979, soon after taking office. The committee decided the Inquisition had acted in good faith, but was wrong.[i/]

http://tinyurl.com/4psb4s


"We're sowwy."

I guess that whole "judge not, lest ye be judged" , "plank in your own eyes" , and "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" part of the Bible isn't bookmarked by His Holiness.

Just how many gay priests are there, anyway ? Anyone doing anything about them ?


Analysis of the estimates of others:
According to Amanda Ripley of Time Magazine, estimates range from 15% to 50%.

According to Bill Blakemore of ABC News, "...nobody knows what percentage of the American priesthood is gay; estimates range from less than 10% to more than 30%."
Personal estimates:

Richard Sipe, a psychotherapist and former priest has studied celibacy, chastity, and sexuality in the priesthood for four decades. He has authored three books on the topic. He once estimated that 30% of the priesthood is homosexually oriented. Elsewhere, he is quoted as estimating that between 25% and 45% of American priests are homosexual in orientation. He told the Boston Globe: "If they were to eliminate all those who were homosexually oriented, the number would be so staggering that it would be like an atomic bomb; it would do the same damage to the church's operation...It would mean the resignation of at least a third of the bishops of the world. And it's very much against the tradition of the church; many saints had a gay orientation, and many popes had gay orientations. Discriminating against orientation is not going to solve the problem."

Sister Maryanne Walsh, spokesperson for the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, said that it would it be difficult to find evidence to support these Sipe's estimates of the percentage of gay men in the priesthood. She feels that it is also irrelevant. She said: "There’s no real purpose in saying whether someone is homosexual or heterosexual. The issue is whether they can make a commitment [to chastity]."

Bishop Jerome Listecki is an auxiliary bishop in Chicago. He estimates that "perhaps more than 10%" of priests have a homosexual orientation."

Father Donald Cozzens, an author, psychologist, and Catholic seminary president says that there is such a high percentage of gay priests in the church that he is concerned that “the priesthood is or is becoming a gay profession.” 5 In his book, "The Changing Face of the Priesthood," -- published in the year 2000 -- he estimates that 50% of Roman Catholic priests have a homosexual orientation.

A NBC report on chastity and the clergy found that "anywhere from 23 percent to 58 percent" of the Catholic clergy have a homosexual orientation.

Author and sociologist James G. Wolfe estimated that 48.5% of priests were gay.

Actual surveys:
In the Fall of 1999, the Kansas City Star sent a questionnaire to 3,000 priests in the U.S. 73% did not reply. The low response rate could be anticipated. One would expect homosexuals and bisexuals to be reluctant to respond to the questionnaire since it deals with such a sensitive issue, and originated from a newspaper. Homosexual and bisexual priests would probably be less likely to reply to the survey.

Among the 801 priests who did reply:
75% said they had a heterosexual orientation;
15% homosexual;
5% bisexual.

During 1990, Rev. Thomas Crangle, a Franciscan priest in Passaic, N.J., mailed a survey to 500 randomly selected priests. Of the 398 responses, about 45% said that they were gay.

Conclusion: If we assume that all of the estimates are of equal validity, then about 33% of priests have a homosexual orientation -- about one in three.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_rcc.htm



All those child molesters this Pope and the Vatican protected, sent to other parishes, and who escaped justice ?

He has a right to his opinion, and I hope (for the sake of the future of the Roman Catholic Church) that it will take somewhat less than four hundred years to admit they were wrong about their approach this time - even if they acted "in good faith".
 scorpiomover
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Posted: 12/26/2008 6:02:19 PM

Speaking on Monday, Pope Benedict XVI warned that gender theory blurred the distinction between male and female and could thus lead to the "self-destruction" of the human race.
...
"Rainforests deserve, yes, our protection, but the human being ... does not deserve it less," the pontiff said.
Well, considering that the affluent members of Western countries are exhibiting a negative birth rate, because they are choosing to not have kids, or to put it off until too late, I suppose he is just highlighting that SOMEONE ought to be fighting for the rights of the "breeders".

In 1633, the Inquisition of the Roman Catholic Church forced Galileo Galilei, one of the founders of modern science, to recant his theory that the Earth moves around the Sun. Under threat of torture, Galileo - seen (right) facing his inquisitors - recanted. But as he left the courtroom, he is said to have muttered, 'all the same, it moves'.

Last week, 359 years later, the Church finally agreed. At a ceremony in Rome, before the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, Pope John Paul II officially declared that Galileo was right. The formal rehabilitation was based on the findings of a committee of the Academy the Pope set up in 1979, soon after taking office. The committee decided the Inquisition had acted in good faith, but was wrong.
I believe in Descartes view, that expressed as one of the 4 main principles of Scientific Reasoning, that The first was never to accept anything for true which I did not clearly know to be such; that is to say, carefully to avoid precipitancy and prejudice, and to comprise nothing more in my judgment than what was presented to my mind so clearly and distinctly as to exclude all ground of doubt.

From what I have read, Galileo was great at Maths, and was great at proving that bodies of different masses fell at the same speed towards the Earth. But according to what I've read, his work on Heliocentrism was just not that scientifically accurate. But Newton's was. So I'd have to question anyone who believed Heliocentrism based on Galileo's claims, rather than based on someone like Newton's, and I would certainly be very suspicious of ANYTHING that this committee said about anything.
 Raveninns
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Posted: 12/29/2008 3:51:07 AM
Obviously, Pope Ignoramus needs a friendly educational recap in teenage sexuality. Absolutely no worries that girls and boys will stop their collective foolishness in the near or far future.

Hmmm, so no birth control, no abortion, but we'll stick with poverty and unwanted births, and of course, homosexuality is the biggest bugaboo humanity has to face.

Here's a thought....why not concentrate their considerable resources in Africa instead, where the folks there are already subjected to primal living conditions? Ready made for them! Oh, I forgot. No money or power there to pillage.

God, it is so hard for me to fathom how people actually take these declarations as serious.

Cheers, Raven
 cotter
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Posted: 1/18/2009 5:43:35 PM
How can homosexuality lead to the destruction of the human race? I know several homosexuals who have children. I know both men and women couples with children.

I have a lesbian co-worker who recently told me that she and her partner (obviously also lesbian) just had a baby. They bought the sperm and just injected it into one of their vaginal tracts ... voilà they now have a daughter.

One of the nurses I worked with at the jail talked a lady friend into having his baby ... now he and his partner are raising it. It's going so well that the lady has agreed to help them out once again.

Sooooo ... I guess even homosexuality won't lead to the destruction of the human race.
 VVendy
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Posted: 1/19/2009 8:01:50 PM
If you look at the time of Christ and the early church you will see that because of the amount of Homosexuallity the Empire was dieing out. If you do not procreate you do not continue as a people. The Pope is right about that. I think if a person believes he is a woman trapped in a man's body he should meet and wed a woman who believes she is a man trapped in a woman's body. after they have 2 children they can save up and have the fun part swap at the local hospital like that Chineese couple did. I am a feminist and do not believe that sex role arguement. The most sexist things I've ever heard were out of the mouth of trans.
 cotter
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Posted: 1/19/2009 9:13:48 PM

But same sex couples having kids is not natural is it?
No more unnatural than a heterosexual couple who needs artificial insemination in order to have a child.

It is not a proper family unit.
I dunno ... these days ... what is considered a "proper family unit"?

My sister and her husband are now housing their son, his wife and their child. Prior to that, their daughter and her two little girls were living with them. If you ask me that's an even better family unit than just the parents and the baby. They have the advantage of having the grandmother and grandfather around to take care of the baby when needed ... instead of some outsider.

I really can't see how homosexuality could lead to the destruction of the human race ... wouldn't that only occur if and when the WHOLE human race might be homosexual? Even then, apparently, they still manage to reproduce ... even if it's with the help of some outside force.
 VVendy
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Posted: 1/28/2009 7:28:45 AM
I think that gender has nothing to do with your roll. I believe that the belief that only girls can this and only boys can that is the big reason for gender confusion. As the poem says a person is a person that way. In one place they have house husbands in another they have house wives and for a person to say only people of this gender can do this thing is evil.

The Pope is right no children = no people from your tribe. I have a friend both of her kids are gay her line has ended no one with her MDNA will be on Earth in 50 years. She was an only child of only children. I am one form 9 and the only one who will not have kids so my tribe will continue. Right now my mom's branch alone has 30 she was 1 of 5 and from a parent who was 1 of 21. If my dad decided that instead of being an awsome dad he wanted to be a gay uncle 30 people would not exsist. My mother did not want to marry or have kids it was my father who changed her mind she was set to be a spinster. My dad cooked cleaned did hair and activly loved my mom who was a tom boy. I did not grow up with gender rolls so the idea of transex/gender is outside of my understanding. Their is nothing one can do the other can't thier are all body types and personality humor and textures. You mate with your sex oppisite and have children or you end. The tribe you belong to may race on but for your body's line the race is ending.

Roma had a lot of factors in its down fall lack of children was one. They adopted and adapted to continue. Why did St Valentine die?
 VVendy
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Posted: 1/30/2009 6:39:55 PM
This is such a broad generalization is it patently false by its very nature.

Yes and also right as most generalizations are having set no limits I do not have to define nor qualify my statement for it to be true as it is a statement that is true because of its broadness. How ever if you want to read history of the church you may and there in find the dates as it is a reference tool that starts with the statement Jesus was a jew and ends with the church of 2005.
 susan_cd
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Posted: 7/6/2010 8:43:42 AM
The best comment I read on the pope's statement was in the newspaper ( wish I could give credit to the author):

The writer said that ( using the same reasoning as the pope) the Catholic priesthood leads to the destruction of the human race, since it encourages men to become celibate bachelors.
 scorpiomover
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RE Msg: 30 by susan_cd:
The best comment I read on the pope's statement was in the newspaper ( wish I could give credit to the author):

The writer said that ( using the same reasoning as the pope) the Catholic priesthood leads to the destruction of the human race, since it encourages men to become celibate bachelors.
To be honest, I would have said the reverse. The guys and girls I met, who have the most partners, and who have the most casual sex, seem to be nearly all Catholics in my experience.
 susan_cd
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Posted: 7/7/2010 2:35:27 AM

The writer said that ( using the same reasoning as the pope) the Catholic priesthood leads to the destruction of the human race, since it encourages men to become celibate bachelors.
To be honest, I would have said the reverse. The guys and girls I met, who have the most partners, and who have the most casual sex, seem to be nearly all Catholics in my experience.


But not the priesthood.

Yes, the Catholic church promotes large families & no birth control, but his point was the priesthood itself is supposed to remain single & celibate, so that leads to the destruction of the human race... at least as much as homosexuality does..
 jed456
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Posted: 7/7/2010 2:43:51 PM

Homosexuality leads to destruction of human race


Just another example why I don't belong too any organized religion.
 scorpiomover
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Posted: 7/8/2010 10:41:13 AM
RE Msg: 32 by susan_cd:
Yes, the Catholic church promotes large families & no birth control, but his point was the priesthood itself is supposed to remain single & celibate, so that leads to the destruction of the human race...
Only if the Catholic church said that everyone has to be celibate. But if they said that, then they wouldn't hold marriages in Catholic churches, now, would they?

at least as much as homosexuality does..
If gay people required that other gay people would have to study for a few years, to get ordained into the gay community, before anyone could have heterosexual sex, and that one of their required duties was to act as official presiders of heterosexual marriages, and tell heterosexuals that they are fulfilling biological evolution, by having heterosexual sex and having children as a result, then yes, the Catholic church would be as limiting as the heterosexual community. But heterosexuals don't require any of that. They only require that they find you attractive enough to have sex with.
 susan_cd
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Posted: 7/8/2010 10:43:31 PM

Yes, the Catholic church promotes large families & no birth control, but his point was the priesthood itself is supposed to remain single & celibate, so that leads to the destruction of the human race...
Only if the Catholic church said that everyone has to be celibate. But if they said that, then they wouldn't hold marriages in Catholic churches, now, would they?


But what the writer said was "the Catholic priesthood leads to the destruction of the human race, since it encourages men to become celibate bachelors."

He was referring to the priesthood itself ( celibate) not catholocism. And his argument ( tongue incheek as it was) was just as valid as the pope's argument saying homosexuality leads to the destruction of the human race.

Since he's so concerned about it, the pope should ask his god why He created so many homosexuals .
 sarniafairyboy
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Posted: 7/10/2010 12:22:15 PM
the pope is sad because so many gay catholics mean fewer new little catholics to add to the church's population base, power & money (more donations)

the primary reason the church is so strongly against use of birth control -want to expand their power base.

there's already more than 6 billion + people on this earth -in some ways way too many for the environment to handle the last thing we need is more & more -esp. in 3rd world poor African countries, etc. where they can hardly afford to raise the kids they've got now.
 susan_cd
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Posted: 7/10/2010 2:42:53 PM

the pope is sad because so many gay catholics mean fewer new little catholics to add to the church's population base, power & money (more donations)


Or it could be the more gay men there are out there, the more competition for those cute altar boys; what chance does a chubby grey haired priest have competing against a young buff gay man for an altar boy's affection?
 sarniafairyboy
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Posted: 7/11/2010 1:32:54 PM
^^

yeah, that is a good point~!
 cotter
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Posted: 7/13/2010 2:10:03 PM


He explained that defending God's creation was not limited to saving the environment, but also about protecting man from self-destruction.
A bit of a drama queen isn't he. I always thought the attire around the Vatican was a bit gay. They should try and dress a little less gay and then maybe they can pontifficate with some validity.


Oh dear ... I completely forgot about that dress code thing at the Vatican.

BTW ... isn't that just a bunch of men wearing dress-like robes ... living together?

Anyways, as I said back in message 14 ...

How can homosexuality lead to the destruction of the human race? I know several homosexuals who have children. I know both men and women couples with children.

I have a lesbian co-worker who recently told me that she and her partner (obviously also lesbian) just had a baby. They bought the sperm and just injected it into one of their vaginal tracts ... voilà they now have a daughter.

One of the nurses I worked with at the jail talked a lady friend into having his baby ... now he and his partner are raising it. It's going so well that the lady has agreed to help them out once again.

Sooooo ... I guess even homosexuality won't lead to the destruction of the human race.
 Zephyr2553
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Posted: 1/1/2013 11:20:22 PM
He wasn't talking about the natural act of procreation. He was referring to the natural order established by God himself for the human race to assure it would not implode. Whether you or I or anyone else likes it, homosexuality is no different from a person's inherited tendency toward alcoholism. Alcoholism in itself isn't a bad thing but becoming an alcoholic, drinking oneself to the detrement of their health, the agony of their family, the loss of their dignity and provision in life IS bad. It is their choice.
It is a person's choice whether or not they decide to "act" upon their tendency to be homosexual. The alcoholic isn't a "bad" person. They aren't arrested for being a practicing alcoholic (unless they get a DUI...) just as it isn't a crime to be homosexual.
It is however, a sin, an abomination in the eyes of God, the one who created them. If I had a tendency that would harm myself, my family, the community, ultimately the world...I wouldn't put that tendency into practice. I would seek help to recover from it or I would choose just to do without it.
As a human community, we are being pushed into acceptance of something that is diametrically against everything the Christian believes.
We don't hate the homosexual, we aren't "homophobes", we aren't afraid of "them"....the person sitting next to you at work could have those same tendencies, but that is their own private life. I don't push my heterosexuality on my co-workers. I don't look for acceptance, legalization or special status because of what I do in my bedroom or where ever.
The Pope has every right to make a statement for the beliefs of the Catholic church. I'm not Catholic, but respect his right and agree with his statement of faith.
 jed456
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Posted: 1/2/2013 6:19:06 AM

As a human community, we are being pushed into acceptance of something that is diametrically against everything the Christian believes.


Since the pope or god didnt write the U.S. Constution and the United States is not a religious theocracy your point is unrealistic.



The Pope has every right to make a statement for the beliefs of the Catholic church. I'm not Catholic, but respect his right and agree with his statement of faith.

As is your right under the Constitution.


it is a person's choice whether or not they decide to "act" upon their tendency to be homosexual. The alcoholic isn't a "bad" person. They aren't arrested for being a practicing alcoholic (unless they get a DUI...) just as it isn't a crime to be homosexual.
It is however, a sin, an abomination in the eyes of God, the one who created them. If I had a tendency that would harm myself, my family, the community, ultimately the world...I wouldn't put that tendency into practice. I would seek help to recover from it or I would choose just to do without it.

Two problems is there a god and which god are you reffering too Jesus,Buddha,Mohammed,the god of abraham?
 Zephyr2553
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Posted: 1/3/2013 6:27:19 AM
Post Modernism thinking gives the green light/permission for anyone practicing any act, however damaging or horrendous. If nothing is "wrong" or a "sin", then everything is "alright", right?? The Constitution of the United states was never intended to give the green light to perversion and acts that would harm the society it was written for. Its intent was to protect, safeguard and uphold the rights of every individual to the pursuit of freedom within the bounds of civil obedience to mores, cultural norms and natural order.
If there is no absolute "truth", then it is "ok" to have sex with children, it is "ok" for the nut case who shot and killed 20+ children, it is "ok" for me to steal your iPad because I needed it....
Get the picture?
There is one glaring difference between religions and I've studied them all to reach my own conclusions, only Christianity offers Christ, born of a virgin, crucified to bear our sins before a Holy God to make a clear path for us to the right hand of God, and risen from the dead to live again and sit as our "lawyer" at the right hand of the Father Creator to intercede for us.
It really IS that simple and the Bible IS the only true communication to be trusted between God and man, who is made in His image.
If I hold a glass of pure "truth" in my hand and someone adds just one drop of "untruth" to it, it is no longer the truth and no longer to be trusted. It is fraudulent and tainted. How does that saying by W.C. Fields go?: "If you can't dazzle em with brilliance, baffle em with bulls**t".
Again, the Pope or Barney Frank or anyone has the Constitutional Right to say whatever they want. That's the beauty of freedom. You can say what you want, believe what you want, just don't try to legalize it and push it down the throats of and spend mega bucks to infiltrate the media with it to make it seem "normal" and "acceptable". It isn't. Dr. Seuss sums it up for me: "I don't like green eggs and ham, Sam-I-Am" (and I never will)
 whippedboi
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Posted: 4/2/2013 4:18:36 AM
scorpiomover:


Well, considering that the affluent members of Western countries are exhibiting a negative birth rate, because they are choosing to not have kids, or to put it off until too late, I suppose he is just highlighting that SOMEONE ought to be fighting for the rights of the "breeders".


but OVERALL the world has PLENTY of population growth (too much really)

but those poor people in Africa, much of Asia, China, and India on't really count..most are not catholic..not important..only important to encourage wealthier, mostly WHITE "Breeders" right?

South America in general has decent population growth and most are good little Catholics so he doesn't mind them, I would guess..still not really 'white' /"Aryan" enough probably for a former member of the Hitler Youth though ?
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