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 Xavery
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 1
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Is this the last of it? This one happened early this morning in Coquitlam. The day before a young man was gunned down in broad daylight at a mall in Langley. He is supposedly in critical condition in the hospital. The victims seem to have gang connections.
 Xavery
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 2
Bacon Brothers
Posted: 2/7/2009 10:15:28 PM
I pulled this off the Vancouver Sun Website. The bacon brothers are a couple of crazy freaks.


ABBOTSFORD — Police here have targeted the notorious Bacon brothers by getting their car leases revoked and having them kicked out of restaurants and community gyms, Chief Bob Rich said Monday.

Rich told hundreds of people at a public forum that his force is doing everything it can to protect the community from those who want the gangster brothers dead.

“They are not welcome because they bring huge risk,” Rich said to applause.

He said other measures are being taken that he could not disclose, but took the unusual step of releasing some details to reassure neighbours of the Bacon family.

Rich said the unprecedented public danger resulting from death threats to the three gangster siblings has led police to their house more than 200 times since last September.

Jamie and Jarrod Bacon, the two youngest brothers, face a series of gun and drug charges and are out on bail.

An attempt was made on Jamie's life at a busy intersection two weeks ago. The shooter missed.

Rich said police started following the Bacons this week in a marked car to head off another public shooting.

And he said police installed surveillance cameras at their Strathcona Court house as a deterrence to would-be killers.

“If gang members were going to try to kill one of the Bacon brothers, they wouldn't do it there,” Rich said. He said the fact that two of the brothers are required to live at their parents’ home puts everyone nearby at risk.

“We asked the court to reconsider their bail conditions,” Rich said, adding that the court refused to revoke the bail. “We are going to try again based on this recent shooting.”

Rich said that over the last week, police sent letters to companies that leased cars to the Bacons laying out their concerns and the companies repossessed the cars.

He said police have gone to gyms and community centres to warn them not to let the Bacons or their associates use them to keep the public safe. He hopes a bail condition will be added to restrict their entry to public places.

Rich said three of the vehicles seized from the Bacons by police were armoured.

“They have all been taken off the road,” Rich said.

Jamie, Jarrod and Jonathan Bacon are all associated with the Red Scorpion gang, members of which are suspects in the Surrey Six slaughter.

Families of two innocent men killed in the gangland massacre attended the forum.

Eileen Mohan lost her son Chris, while Lois Schellenberg’s husband Ed was killed.

Schellenberg’s brother-in-law Steve Brown said the courts should not be releasing anyone who is a public threat.

“There are people who are out on the streets who in any other jurisdiction in the world would be locked up,” Brown said.

Mohan thanked the organizers for the event.

“Seeing you all here makes me realize I do not stand alone,” Mohan said. “I think criminals have more rights than ordinary people....we lived very innocently beside gang members.”

Mayor George Peary thanked Mohan and called her “courageous” for her activism against gangs.

Peary announced a special task force to reduce crime.

The mayor said he hopes to “parlay the gunplay of the last few weeks into something more substantial.”

“We know drugs are at the core,” he said. “Let’s see if we can remove some of the causes.”

He acknowledged that many involved don’t want to cooperate with police. “I am going to enlist the support of all the citizens,” Peary said.

The overflow crowd expressed frustration at the violence in the streets. Two weeks ago, there were four shootings in six days.

The gang problem overall is out of control in the Fraser Valley, Rich said.

“It has gotten right in front of us dramatically worse,” Rich said. “We are not doing enough yet.”
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 3
5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 2/8/2009 2:07:24 PM
Frankly, if gang members want to go killing each other off - I say: let em.

Exactly, just one more Bad-Azz gone.
 Xavery
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 4
5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 2/9/2009 6:27:29 PM
Well, now it is 6. The man is 28 years old and took about 6 bullets. He is in stable condition but not talking with the police. He was shot in Kits.

These are supposedly gang related shootings, but not linked. With respect to the Bacon Brothers, they are linked to the Red Scorpions a multiracial group that was born in a detention facility. I thought people were meant to rehabilitate in these places not lay down the tracks for bigger and better problems.
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
Msg: 5
5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 2/9/2009 7:07:57 PM
I wonder if this is a form of "cabin fever" in the ranks or they are just cleaning house because of our economy?? I personally believe it's just the intelligence of said participants and that they really could give a flying f,,k!!!

Ummmm,,, Thumper,,,don't believe for one second that "where" you live is gonna keep these helmet heads away. They are there,,,just being silent for the moment, until the time they have to pretend they are somebody.

In the "old days" ,,,,the "boys" did their "thing" in private,,,,,and the public for the most part heard very little of the incline in the population numbers. They kept it AWAY from the public because they at one time too believed in the value of life. The scum out there is just a reflection of the how much lower humans can go. Guess what???,,,it will get lower.

Makes ya feel all warm and fuzzy about the way things can go when you don't install certain things into our young when we should be,,,,doesn't it?????
 4x4+geek
Joined: 4/7/2007
Msg: 6
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5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 2/10/2009 5:47:07 PM
Meanwhile I'm sure there are many who will persist in proclaiming "Drug use is a victimless crime."
 Xavery
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 7
5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 2/10/2009 7:56:56 PM
My hound dawg walker appeared briefly on BCTV News over shooting number 6. He was asked how he felt in the hood and if he thinks the penalties for these guys are stiff enough or not. This shooting was a little closer to home than all of the others. Still, I am not too worried. I see them as targeted shootings not random.
 Xavery
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 8
5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 2/10/2009 9:43:56 PM
Oh, I know they don't care about who gets in their way, but the way I see it is that they would rather put their bullets into their targets than me.

I understand the innocent bystander thing, The problem is I am currently worrying about A, B, C and D. I just don't have the energy to worry about one more thing. The chances of been caught in the crossfire seem low, so I am going to keep spending my worrying energy on those other things.

I am glad I am not worried about being shot. I don't want to live a paranoid type lifestyle. Really, it is not a deliberate choice not to worry or not. I am just not worried.
 4x4+geek
Joined: 4/7/2007
Msg: 9
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Posted: 2/16/2009 6:12:06 PM
Two mort today.
I fear this will further depress the prices of Escalades and Range-Rovers in Surrey & Coquitlam.

http://www.cknw.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1063608

I've noticed a correlation between the number of proclamations by politicians against gang violence and the number of shootings; I must conclude therefore: Proclamations cause the shootings.

 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 10
5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 2/17/2009 12:01:58 PM
If you are not involved in the illegal Drug Trade or other organized Crime, usually because of Debts or trying to move in on the Competition, I doubt anyone has much to worry about.
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
Msg: 11
5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 2/17/2009 5:18:11 PM
These shootings are terribly tragic for the victims and their families.


I don't find any of it "tragic" about what is going on other than what happened to the 4 year old yesterday. You will find(or have found) out that the ones that are being targetted have been for a reason only known to those involved within a group of "wannabe" tough guys. Take a serious look at the vehicle the "young lady" was driving yesterday and then seriously think about what a "young lady" her age is doing driving such vehicle. It's not rocket science,,,and it is far from over since the line was crossed yesterday.

I remember a saying the old man use to tell me. "If you play,,,,you WILL pay". These kids(all of the victims are under the age of 30 here) have no idea what they are involved in. Yet, they have no problem flaunting and playing the "part". Well the "part"also involves being killed, because you are involved with dirt bags, and these dirt bags,,,again are alllllll young and not very bright. And I don't think the majority of the families are soooo innocent either. I know I would question my daughter if she was 23 and pulled into my driveway with a Cadillac. Wouldn't you????

It is getting close to the home thou. I was driving home Sunday night when 5 cops blew by me on 108th ave 5 minutes after 12. I was just happy they were'nt pulling me over for a speeding ticket,,,until I found out the next day where they were going.

I don't think you can "assume" anymore that you won't or can't be an innocent bystander hit by a stray after yesterday's exhibition of intelligence. Like I said,,,the line has been crossed,,,and it will get nasty. Just heard on the radio,,,another shooting or "police incident" in Vancouver???? Buckle up!!!
 Xavery
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 12
5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 2/17/2009 6:50:56 PM
Okay - so, like, why is everyone shooting everyone these days? There was another shooting on Fraser Street today. One person died and another was seriously injured. Is February "Go out and shoot someone month" ? Something strange is going on. There must be some sort of upset in the gang world that the average person does not understand because things are absolutely out of CONTROL. I have heard two gangs mentioned the Red Scorpions and the UN.

I also heard as I watched the News tonight there was a lot of gunfire at a park in Surrey - breaking news.
 Xavery
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 13
5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 2/17/2009 8:59:02 PM
To messanger 38 - It is obvious that I am not an expert but I would say that there is a dramatic increase in the number of shootings. So, I am wondering, WHY? What has caused these gang wars? No, on the contrary as for being under a rock, two of the hoods where shootings have occured are very near and dear to me.

I am still not worried about getting caught in the crossfire, but I know some people are getting a little freaked. I feel badly for people who are always looking over their shoulders. Nature intended for me not to be the paranoid type.

I would also guess there is some sort of vacuum/void in the gang world and there are lot of wanna bes trying to fill it. With gangs I would guess all wars come down to power because when one has power they can have all the women, drugs, weapons . . .

I guess my question is why now. What has changed? Will we ever know?
 Xavery
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 14
5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 2/17/2009 9:27:00 PM
Okay - I buy into the order and then it goes dead - bang, it is over! Oh, wait, some live and become paraplegics. Drugs are in first place because of the money they bring in, I guess, but who is dealing what and how big is the drug trade in Metro Vancouver. I suspect it is bigger than I thought.

Seriously, do any gangsters live past 30?
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
Msg: 15
5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 2/18/2009 6:02:17 AM

^ Walts, apparently the car was registered to the woman's husband, who allegedly (as stated from an anonymous "friend" of the family) is a member of the UN gang. It wasn't her car, but her husband's.


Yes,,,I know Halo,,,that was my point. The young lady,,,thou young,,,thou pretty,,,thou a mother (of TWO), knew exactley the game that she was involved in. She, like many other's her age and mentality,,,,,just didn't understand the rules,,,,of which there seems to be none. Because of her choices of who she was with,,,she leaves two without a mother of which one is gonna remember Feb 16th (family day) forever,,,in some form or another.
 Xavery
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 16
5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 3/6/2009 9:27:14 PM
And things have not gotten any better and now it is almost the second week in March.
I hear Vancouver being referred to as Gangouver. I understand now why some people are fearful about being caught in the crossfire. It is just a matter of concern. I see the police have come out and openly stated that there is a gang war going on. They say that they are not meant to say such things. I guess they fear creating panic among the masses.
 Stormswatcher
Joined: 10/12/2006
Msg: 17
5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 3/7/2009 8:05:57 PM
I think the scariest part of the whole thing is they can't shoot straight.
last night a guy opened fire on a group of people at point blank range, rang off 12 shots and managed to hit a house across the street, nothing else, not a single person was hit.
 Xavery
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 18
5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 3/7/2009 8:14:43 PM
Oh, I am so glad ^ that someone ese has noticed that something stinks in the state of Vancouver. I thought all the shooting and stabbing would have stopped by now. I didn't see it as something that would go on and on and on . . . Now, things are getting creepy, because it is a pretty safe bet that if these idiots keep shooting someone will get shot in the crossfire, but I don't think these idiots give a damn. They probably believe that people who get in the way of their targets deserve to be gunned down.
 PrincessForOne
Joined: 5/25/2007
Msg: 19
5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 3/9/2009 8:40:43 PM
Funny how these and other non-canadian type violent crimes (like home invasions and beheadings) have gone through the roof ever since our government let the CIA, ATF, DEA, FBI, Texas Rangers, and US Homeland Security bring their secret activities into British Columbia. Interesting corrolation wouldn't you say? You'll notice the media always seems to show some immigrant as the fall guy for the crimes too. What, don't white folks commit crimes anymore?
 Xavery
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 21
5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 3/9/2009 9:42:23 PM
^The question is worth reiterating. Is there any truth in what you say?

Well, another person was shot on Kingsway and Slocan late last night. Am I the only one following the gang wars and wondering where they will lead? How many more people will be gunned down or be cut up?
 Xavery
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 22
5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 3/10/2009 6:43:50 PM
2 more homicides today in a run down apartment. At this point these murders have not been linked to gang activity. One thing I am fairly certain of is that more people will die because of underground crime.

It seems to me that there is a power vacuum in the drug world. If there are shortages of drug X, people will just use drug Y. However, to be honest, I never imagined that there was so much gang activiy going on this city.
 Xavery
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 23
5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 3/13/2009 6:12:51 PM
^agree . . . there are no winners in this situations. A gang member dies or is seriously hurt, but all the non-gang members in his familly are not celebrating the fact that there is one less gang member to go around offing people, but left with guilt and grief. No one wins in this situations and this entire gang war situation is a red flag. Something is warpy in our society.

It is 6 pm on a Friday night and according to "breaking news," there has been another shooting in Surrey. I doubt you are surprised.

It is costing tax payers a lot of money because the Bacon boys are under constant watch. I think when things reach this state, the police should be able to just throw the potential and former offenders in prison.
 Xavery
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 24
5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 3/16/2009 3:39:54 PM
^ All of this from a poster who used to think the Bacon brothers were disenchanted farmboys.

The thing is the public should not have to turn up the noise and get involved. These guys should be in jail. Although it may be the only way to get these guys behind bars.

Where is going to end with the Bacon brothers? Will they be killed/injured? Will they kill or injure someone and end up where they belong? All I know is that Abbotsford tax payers, are spending a lot to have these guys constantly watched.

I heard a little clip on the news as to why Metro Vancouver is a hive for drug activity. 1/ The climate is good for growing BC Bud 2/ We are close to the border. These seem obvious. 3/ British Columbians are pretty easy going about drug use. Personally, I am not so sure about 3.
 Xavery
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 25
5 People Gunned Down in Last 6 Days
Posted: 3/16/2009 7:31:37 PM
@at Silky
Be gentle with X... All she does is watch the news and repeats what she hears...


It is actually listen. But don't shoot the messanger. However, I like to think that I do a little more than listen and bring back up what hear. I think about and try to make sense of it. And I do far more than just listen to the news, but this is another story. However, I am sure Music never meant this as an insult.

As for Sil . . . a little too defensive. I did not imply or even suggest that the police are at fault for the Bacon brothers being out and about. I fully understand that it is the judicial system that is the problem. I have no problem believing the police want these guys behind bars, because the police see where this is leading and it is not good. (By the way, ST, you are not the only one with police officers in the family. My nephew is a police officer and I am a little worried for him. I also work with a police officer with a heart of gold, but when I meet police officers on the street, I don't really get good vibes.)

I do agree that putting potential crooks in jail is wrong and unconstitutional. However, perhaps with these 2 clowns there could be some kind of way to get them locked up or launched in to space.

I really think H9000000 did a good job of summing up the problem with some police officers in the public perception thread. So, let's not beat a dead horse.

Wow, to the poster below, I am pretty sure that I am not involved in the drug trade. I probably know of one person who smokes weed.

I am really pleased to see that people are finally responding to this thread, because something is really wrong here in good ol' Kansas. Another way of putting it is, Puppy, this is not the Vancouver I knew 3 months ago.
 4x4+geek
Joined: 4/7/2007
Msg: 26
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Posted: 3/16/2009 7:32:32 PM
Blame who?

Everyone I know are not involved in the drug trade and (except perhaps those in law enforcement) do not shoot at, maim, or kill other people. Most of them have been raised in Canada, Europe, Asia, Australia, New Zealand, South America or the USA. So is it a legal problem? IMHO, partly; I think however, the problem goes much deeper. A greed-based value system and parenting-by-mass-media are other major constituents. I'll abort my rant at this point.
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