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 FriendlyFreeSpirit
Joined: 8/24/2008
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Do men believe that pornography has made sex with a woman less exciting or more?
Feminist author Naomi Wolf believes that when men get too accustomed to the stylised, air-brushed, pornographic version of sex, "real" women don't stand a chance.
"Today, real naked women are just bad porn," she writes in an essay in New York magazine.
"I'm not advocating a return to the days of hiding female sexuality but I am noting that the power and charge of sex are maintained when there is some sacredness to it, when it is not on tap all the time."
Would men like to see a return to a more subdued kind of woman, or do they welcome an out-there horny and sexually aggressive "porno" type?
Do you think society's wide-spread acceptance of porn leads to disappointment with the real thing?
And are women threatened by porn or do they feel it liberates them from the bad old days of "good girls don't like it"?
 raxarsr
Joined: 7/10/2008
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Posted: 3/4/2009 8:39:29 PM
oh hell no........i for one hate fake boobs and such..........give me a down to earth live woman any day
 Tessie101
Joined: 6/21/2008
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Posted: 3/4/2009 8:43:08 PM
Very interesting topic. I also want to know what the men think of this.
 actualizing
Joined: 5/2/2008
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Posted: 3/4/2009 8:43:39 PM
Well, that is a good question. I believe that porn serves its purpose but it's not real. A real woman can avoid being naked in daylight by keeping a shroud of mystery around her body....lingerie works....naked at twilight works too....naked in daylight for anyone is just bad porn....unless you're not in the mood, in which case it could be good tanning gear. It all depends on who is in the vicinity and whether the sun is shining...if ya know what I mean...
 kpooks
Joined: 12/23/2008
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Posted: 3/4/2009 8:43:47 PM
As exciting as porn fantasies are and porn hotties look, uh, there's something about the real tactile physical sensations of touching and being touched by a real woman that is WAY, WAY more intoxicating than watching any porn.
 1rose4440
Joined: 11/14/2007
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Posted: 3/4/2009 8:45:30 PM
FFS, I don't feel threatened by porn, or should I say the women in porn. I guess if I was with a guy who compared me with the porn stars that might make me feel a little different, naw, not really.

I don't think it liberates me either. I am more sexually liberated, but I think that that's just do to real life experiences and maturity, or lack thereof...and lots of years behind me, being a 'good girl', oh, and I read that a 'good girl is just a bad girl who hasn't been caught'....
 moraima
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Posted: 3/4/2009 8:54:08 PM
"I am noting that the power and charge of sex are maintained when there is some sacredness to it, when it is not on tap all the time."

This is exactly my point when I talk about sexual mystic.

Just listen to some people you can tell that they are burn out on sex..............

Sex to me is too precious to waste by squandering it.
 Bilskirnir
Joined: 2/12/2009
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Posted: 3/4/2009 9:00:29 PM
Never having met a sexually aggressive woman, I think I would like it.
There is something to be said for more subdued "love-making" with a special partner.
I guess the ideal would to find a lay who who a bit of a tramp.
 rustytraveler
Joined: 4/30/2007
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Posted: 3/4/2009 9:00:32 PM
Feminist author Naomi Wolf believes that when men get too accustomed to the stylised, air-brushed, pornographic version of sex, "real" women don't stand a chance. "Do you think society's wide-spread acceptance of porn leads to disappointment with the real thing?"


Naomi may have something there ..... it would explain a lot , all those sugar plums dancing in their heads ;-) .
 Bilskirnir
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Posted: 3/4/2009 9:02:04 PM

I guess the ideal would to find a lay who who a bit of a tramp

Correction: who is* a bit
 *Don*
Joined: 1/30/2009
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Posted: 3/4/2009 9:05:15 PM

Are real naked women just bad porn?

No. Porn is just unreal bad naked women. Everyone has their view, I suppose, but I don't like porn at all -- none of it -- internet porn, porn flics, strippers, the whole lot. It's predictable, plastic, packaged and frankly, boring. I haven't been aroused by any of it since I was going through puberty. About the only emotion it stirs in me is laughter.

Now give me real sexual relations and making love to a beautiful woman -- that's worth it's weight in gold.

D
 Tessie101
Joined: 6/21/2008
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Posted: 3/4/2009 9:08:40 PM
Nothing wrong with being a lady in public and a whore in the bedroom.
 abby156
Joined: 10/15/2007
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Posted: 3/4/2009 9:17:02 PM
Porn guys are likely air brushed too.
 WanderingRain
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Posted: 3/4/2009 9:53:12 PM
Not to the right man.
 Mizz Demeanor
Joined: 4/28/2008
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Posted: 3/4/2009 10:03:25 PM
As long as we remember that there is Good Nakedand Bad Naked
and that applies to both sexes. Relax, enjoy the moment, be comfortable
in your skin, and we should be OK.
Having said that....some good lighting doesn't hurt....

It's been my experience that the men closer to my age group are just thrilled to
have a loving, willing and happy partner ,and the mundane details of the human body
take on less significance. It's more about the experience than comparing body
parts to some celluloid image.

One of my lovers was mildly interested in porn & we would watch it
occasionally together for a laugh, but we never took it seriously.
Another detested it & wouldn't even consider watching it. Both of them were
fantastic lovers because what we had when we were together transcended
the naked body. Our bodies were just tools to express our pleasure of each other.

A man that considers Porn to be the benchmark for rating his partners wouldn't
have the capacity to keep me interested, let alone get me naked.
It's not that hard to determine which men have an unhealthy association
with porn....they are hardly known for their Subtlety.

~mizz
 rustytraveler
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Posted: 3/4/2009 10:10:33 PM

As long as we remember that there is Good Nakedand Bad Naked
and that applies to both sexes. Relax, enjoy the moment, be comfortable
in your skin, and we should be OK.
Having said that....some good lighting doesn't hurt....

It's been my experience that the men closer to my age group are just thrilled to
have a loving, willing and happy partner ,and the mundane details of the human body
take on less significance. It's more about the experience than comparing body
parts to some celluloid image.

One of my lovers was mildly interested in porn & we would watch it
occasionally together for a laugh, but we never took it seriously.
Another detested it & wouldn't even consider watching it. Both of them were
fantastic lovers because what we had when we were together transcended
the naked body. Our bodies were just tools to express our pleasure of each other.

A man that considers Porn to be the benchmark for rating his partners wouldn't
have the capacity to keep me interested, let alone get me naked.
It's not that hard to determine which men have an unhealthy association
with porn....they are hardly known for their Subtlety.

~mizz


Beautifully said Mizz Bon Ton .
 Ron9
Joined: 8/10/2004
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Posted: 3/4/2009 10:25:53 PM
For 20 years - I liked my wife (then wife) best for sex.

Wife - pOrn - wife - pOrn - wife pOrn ......... I would always choose my wife.

She changed a great deal over all those years. What was once perky ... was saggy ........ I sill preferred her. She did not change over all (dressed) she was always around 107 pounds (5’2”) ....... but sure was in different places ....... STILL liked her best for sex.

I also stayed about the same 6’2” 185 pounds ..... I am sure I must also sag but ........

NO ONE looks as good undressed as they do dressed ...... well maybe some 20 something gals.

Staying realistic with age ........... anyone ever seen a 50 year old porn queen? ........ ewwwwwwww.

A 50 year old porn queen *the BIG* ewwwwwwwwww ........

So ...... it is almost impossible to compare normal gals (in my case 50-55 yo gals) to a 50 something ex-porn queen.

I saw one at WalMart the other day. She was around 52 I would say (rode hard and put away wet - several times) ...... skin tight pants and had her a pOOl boy ...... they looked STUPID together. But she sure was proud of him lol.

A gal that I would want for a girlfriend ...... will be just right for me. If her bOObs sag ...... so what - she will be my REAL girlfriend.
 Dancing_4_You
Joined: 1/21/2006
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Posted: 3/4/2009 10:26:13 PM
it appears that one of the main contributing factors to ED is porn. not to mention all the men who have complexes from not measuring up! same for the women, i suppose, who choose to inject filler into their breasts with lumps and scars underneath. this is today's version of "beauty". porn addiction is a whole other topic. the person, victim to that, will just sit and space out and drool as if s/he was on drugs. but, not all are porn addicts.

i suppose my major issues with porn have to do with the industry and the fact that it is a major source of "employment" for foster care youth, who have not had proper parental love and guidance. working as an advocate, i have seen stuff to break anyone's heart.

the other issue is that this has become a society of porn and vibrators instead of partnership and relationships. that also makes me sad. human sexuality, sensuality, et al is so much more than what a lot of people are settling for and settling into. wouldn't it be great to have full relationships with all of it? how many men even know what tantra yoga is? then again, how can you properly learn that as a single? sure, the dude who sells the course will tell you all about it, but it's a crock (in my opinion).

so, many of us made mistakes. i guess, i'd rather learn from them and try, try again. i do believe there are many men and women who would like to try again. so, the trick is to put blinders on and try to find one another! many things take two. i think this is one of them. call me a conservative. it will be a first! i can take it.

so, actually i think many people look better naked, therefore disagreeing with ron. or maybe i just focus on the good bits! or perhaps we are saying the same thing but from a different starting point. when you truly love someone, they just don't look that saggy, even if they are. after all, both sexes sag, just in different places. also, my guess is that with our age group, the porn will not prevail over real bodies. not sure for the younger ones.
 lovemyweims
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Posted: 3/4/2009 10:30:05 PM

A man that considers Porn to be the benchmark for rating his partners wouldn't
have the capacity to keep me interested, let alone get me naked.

Took the words right out of my fingers.
 best kept secret
Joined: 1/15/2006
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Posted: 3/4/2009 10:46:43 PM
If a real gal, (in her faded glory) knows her real man, (in his faded glory) adores her, for who she is, and the fact that she also adores him...nothing else would matter or should be needed.

Now, go and naturally love away!
 raraavis41
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Posted: 3/4/2009 11:03:11 PM

Do 45-plus men believe that pornography has made sex with a woman less exciting or more?

It has certainly made sex without a woman more exciting. ;>) But to give an honest answer entails differentiating between having sex and making love. Making love has nothing to do with porn. It is more akin to a meeting of the minds.

Having recreational sex could be affected, but I think it could go either way, depending on the mindset of the person. If a person was very rigid in their views concerning sexual practices, maybe watching porn might help loosen them up a bit and make the episode more exciting. But I imagine it could also produce performance anxiety in some people which would definitely dampen excitement.

As for the question whether porn makes the woman more or less exciting to a man, I think it all depends if she knows what buttons to push for any particular man. With or without porn, we all go through physical and psychological changes as we mature which will be unique for each person. For any large group, there will be a bell curve type of grouping of common tendencies. Some of us are on the fringes, and others are in the mainstream.

Are there some guys that think they deserve a playboy bunny for a date? Sure, but there are also some guys that are looking for something the exact opposite of the beautiful dumb blonde cliche. Remember that sexiness has nothing to do with beauty, but how you present yourself.
 FriendlyFreeSpirit
Joined: 8/24/2008
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Posted: 3/4/2009 11:11:54 PM
I don't know how many times I've heard middle-aged men here say "Of course I'd choose a young, firm body, but I'm a REALIST."
Sorry, but that doesn't sound all that enthusiastic! To me, it sounds as if they know the only way they're going to have sex is if they somehow lower their standards and sleep with women the same age as them. They "settle" for what they can get.
I have no doubt many men can and do love us, flaws and all. But I also have no doubt that this emphasis on the perfect porno female body makes many middle-aged, single women very insecure - to the point where breast lifts/enhancements, tummy tucks - right through to surgery on the labia to make it porno-perfect - is commonplace in our societies.
And it's not just surgery. Anorexia and bulimia are on the rise in women who should know better - middle-aged women who have been sucked in to this over-riding belief that they are sexual rejects if they don't look 20 years younger.
Even our celebrities reflect this. Look at Madonna at 50. Too thin, too botoxed, too made-up. Sophia Loren at the Oscars looked like a terrible store dummy.
I think the easy access to a zillion porn sites on the net has taken away any female mystique and in its place has set up some unreal standards of what sexually attractive women should look like.
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Posted: 3/4/2009 11:19:43 PM

naked in daylight for anyone is just bad porn....


Not necessarily, don't knock it til you've tried it.......I remember one time my b/f surprising me when I was sunbathing naked......it was exciting because we could have easily been discovered and the sun felt wonderful on our sweating bodies. We were much more aware of our nakedness, if that makes sense.

OT I'd never had much exposure to porn when I was younger and I'm still not wild about it, but I've learned to accept it can have a place in a relationship. The interesting thing I've noted is that, the two best lovers I ever had, both enjoyed porn. It helped put them in the mood and served as a background for our own lovemaking. Oddly enough, I would say they were both men who truly enjoyed women, real (imperfect) bodies and all!
 Ron9
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Posted: 3/4/2009 11:24:14 PM
"but they still want to get laid - so they "settle"."

So what do gals do?

(we all already know that many of them do ........ go to www.poolboysRUs)

Don't even ask - how many nice looking 50s something gals - are trolling for 20 year old guys. I know this because, until I stopped looking at profiles (3 years ago) they were blatant in their profile settings ........ 18 to 50.
 raraavis41
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Posted: 3/4/2009 11:36:03 PM
The issue you may be addressing is more likely age discrimination. Most porn queens are retired by 30. Blame advertising, not porn for the unrealistic attitudes and obsessions with youth. Those of us well over 45 (and especially those of us over 55) sometimes need a reality check by looking in a mirror to accept that we are older than that 20-30 year old. Accepting the aging process enables one to see the sexiness in one's own age group. In that sense, then I suppose porn could hinder that acceptance of one's age. The picture will never say you're too old for me.
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