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 scorpiomover
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Is it possible that in humanities never ending thirst for knowledge, we are actually doing more harm than good? Technology today has made it so that you barely have to do any thinking for yourself.
Yes. That is the danger of the views of Rationalism and Empiricism. However, it is very difficult to fight the tide of society. Society has a habit to making monsters out of those who oppose their views. The Nazis did it. The Communists did it. McCarthy did it. What is different about today?

Take GPS systems for example. They are so user friendly, not only will it give you directions, but it will tell you when to turn within 2 meters I believe? What ever happened to pulling out a map and using your brain?
That happened the other day. Someone was driving me home, a route he's taken at least a couple of dozen times. He missed 2 turnings he usually never misses, because he forgot his Tom-Tom.

Have we become so autonomous that we depend on technology to live? How about cell phones? Nearly everyone has one, and how many take it everywhere they go? A lot I suspect. What would you do without your cell phone?
Probably same as I did before cell phones. The only problem I find, is that BT has removed over 90% of public telephones. So, if you want to do without a cell phone, you are limited to making calls from your house.
 yna6
Joined: 1/21/2007
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Posted: 3/7/2009 7:12:27 PM
Perhaps we are becoming "too specialized". A person can be really informed and very good at what they do, and perhaps have a small circle of knowledge outside that area, but that's all they really need in order to make a living. (Personally, I think specialization is for insects...not mankind.)
Also, the education system itself has decided that a childs ego and ability to get along within their peer group is more important that getting an education.
We've become dependant on technology to remind us of things (like turns!) and to be able to be in constant communication with anyone who has our cell phone number. Nobody, and I do mean nobody "has to be" in constant contact with anyone. The world was working without that technology for a long time, we don't "need" it now. But, it IS a great little tool to have and sometimes comes in real handy. Many would miss them if they disappeared...but they'd live without it.
Consumerism is a huge point here...companies don't want you repairing or getting your things repaired. They want you to buy new.
Examples...cars...every year, new models....usually with some different parts from the year before. they have a limited warranty on them...and just as you finish paynmg off that huge debt...the repair bills start, and you figure it is time for a new one. See the advertisments for a "green car" that is "biodegradeable?" thnk that is going to last you for years and years??
Remember when TV's had tubes...and dad could go down to a corner store and use the tube tester there and buy a new one to replace the one that was blown? You can't even get a small electronics board to fix your expensive plasma TV today....if you opt to repair the bill is usually more than a new one is! Even a pair of shoes could be resoled and heeled...but not in todays artificial market of 'fashion'.
A cordless phone...works great...till the battery is finished...and the price of a new battery is more than a new phone that comes with that battery? WTF??
Just more ways and means for corporations to get more of your money. Most things today aren't worth the money that they cost you.
 Beaugrand®™©
Joined: 3/24/2008
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Posted: 3/7/2009 11:06:05 PM

Were you as upset when they did away with 8 track, and then VHS?
They did away with VHS???
But I still have my VHS tape collection... My VHS recorder...
I never liked 8-tracks anyway. The tapes got krinkled after a dozen plays and jammed in the machine.
I fear that read-only MP3s will completely displace CDs and DVDs before I have the complete Beatles on CD collection.
 scorpiomover
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Posted: 3/8/2009 8:33:43 AM
RE msg 4 by yna6:
Perhaps we are becoming "too specialized". A person can be really informed and very good at what they do, and perhaps have a small circle of knowledge outside that area, but that's all they really need in order to make a living. (Personally, I think specialization is for insects...not mankind.)
People often seem to know a lot about a tiny area of study, and little else, and have a tunnel-visioned view of things, or they seem to know a little about lots of things, but not a lot about anything, and cannot teach us more than we could get from a million others. Take a look at Newton. Sure, he was mainly a Physicist. But he was also an MP, and an Architect, and studied the Bible as well. A little of this, and a little of that. Everything, in moderation.

Also, the education system itself has decided that a childs ego and ability to get along within their peer group is more important that getting an education.
It's essential for any child's development that he HAS an ego and he HAS a peer group. But that ego doesn't have to be the one he walked into school with, and that peer group doesn't have to be the local gang who hang out on the streets. A little of this, and a little of that. Everything, in moderation.

But to do both of those, you have to believe that a Liberal Arts Education, and a specialised education, having a good education, and good friends will each give you something, but none of them will give you everything. You have to believe that education can help you a lot, but not with everything, and the same with peer groups and ego. You have to accept that nothing is perfect, not even education, not even ego, not even peer groups. You have have to be willing to make efforts to achieve imperfection.

That's something a farmer can understand, or someone who strikes out in the wilderness, because you just cannot get perfection with nature. All you can hope for is "good enough". But in big city life, you can imagine that we can achieve perfection, because city life is so artificial anyway, it makes you think that you can design anything.

This all comes from keeping too much not in touch with nature.

We've become dependant on technology to remind us of things (like turns!) and to be able to be in constant communication with anyone who has our cell phone number. Nobody, and I do mean nobody "has to be" in constant contact with anyone. The world was working without that technology for a long time, we don't "need" it now. But, it IS a great little tool to have and sometimes comes in real handy. Many would miss them if they disappeared...but they'd live without it.
We are better off when we have technology, but we don't have it all the time, so we don't become so dependent on it, that when it fails us, that we fail ourselves. SatNav goes wrong every so often. Ambulances have been known to be misdirected by SatNav, that meant the patients didn't get to hospital quickly enough, and died. One taxi took a journey 200 miles in the wrong direction, because of bad SatNav directions. You cannot rely on it completely, and need to temper it with common sense. A little of this, and a little of that. Everything, in moderation.

Consumerism is a huge point here...companies don't want you repairing or getting your things repaired. They want you to buy new.
In a consumer society, smart people don't buy new. A 1-year-old car costs half what it did new. But if the car will last 5 years when new, then it will last at least 4 years at 1-year-old. Say it costs $10,000 new. Then if you buy it new, you spend $2,000 a year on it. If you buy it 1-year-old, it only costs $5,000 and you spend $1,250 on it. You save $750 a year by buying second-hard, and that is only if it only lasts for a total of 5 years. If it lasts 10 years, your return is much higher.

The same logic applies for buying most goods. If you can buy anything second hand in good condition, you get a much higher return for the price than new.

That's why consumerism means that companies are trying to dumb us down, because the less dumb they are, the less they will fall for the tactics used in consumerism. It's not a conspiracy. It's just good business, to make your consumers dumber and dumber, because then they are more of a sucker for your products.
 yna6
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Posted: 3/8/2009 8:51:04 AM
^^^fuggit...I'm going into a brand new, never tried venture that should be a huge hit, especially in third world nations....which will be funded by so many of those :have" countries. Anyone in? Hint...used condoms.....nobody else in in this field, so it is a brand new area to exploit!
(Ok...believe that one and I'll personally go to your place of residence and make you a candidate for a Darwin Award....:P)
 MrTwistedPersonality
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Posted: 3/8/2009 8:55:15 AM
I follow the bumper sticker "Some people are alive only because it is illegal to kill them."

You might look into the movies Idiocracy and The Darwin Awards. Juvenile? Yes. Accurate? It looks more that way every single day that passes..
 scorpiomover
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Posted: 3/8/2009 3:37:09 PM
Re msg 20 by NoBushLover:
My brother is a CPA. He uses an adding machine all the time because it gives him a paper trail, because it's faster than doing it in his head, and because old habits die hard. But he can still multiply to six figures in his head.
My mother is the same. She is an accountant who uses an adding machine for the same reason. But she still uses her head to do basic figures, and to check her results.

There are people who grow up in small impoverished villages in third world countries. They get no education and have no electricity in their area. If non-use caused an ability to be weeded out by evolution, then these people would be as dumb as rocks. Yet, if you take their children out of the village and bring them to the US and give them a decent education, they will grow up to be as intelligent as someone who was born and raised in a technologically advanced economy
I think you are discussing genetic evolution. Evolution is just a word for "gradual change by naturally occurring processes". Social evolution is also evolution.

Re msg 23 by NoBushLover:
I see many people here mentioning the inability of cashiers to do simple arithmetic, like making change. This has been cited as evidence that people are losing their ability to do math and the cause is people's reliance on calculators. I don't see it that way

IMO, every single one of those cashiers was taught how to do arithmetic. They may have learned the lessons, but they were taught it. The reason they can't do math isn't because they have a machine to do it for them. It's because they never learned it in the first place. Evolution has nothing to do with it.
The reason they DON'T do math, is that they are ASKED to do math, and don't do it. They seem to no longer even know how to operate the till with change, because so many people just hand them a complete pounds, or credit cards, that they forgot how to do it. When it comes to the brain, there is an old saying: use it or lose it. If you don't use a skill, you forget it. Ask anyone who learned a language at school, and never used it since. After 20 years, they've forgotten most of it.

History is filled with practices and knowledge that are no longer used these days. We don't know how they built the pyramids, but that hasn't made us any less intelligent. People used to know all sorts of useful things (when it's going to rain, when to plant crops, various ways of hunting, etc) and yet, society moves forward and barely notices what's been left behind.
You're absolutely right. Everyone is totally worried about the rise in population, because we don't have enough food to feed them.

Actually, we have more than enough land to provide plenty of food. But what's happened is that people aren't using crop rotation any more. Each plant sucks certain nutrients out of the land, and puts others back in. Because each plant uses different nutrients, and deposits others, with the right order of planting different vegetables each year, this year's crop deposits the needs of next year's crop, and you have arable land that will last potentially forever, or until the sun burns out, millions of years away. Without crop rotation, you use the same vegetbles on the same patches of arable land. The same vegetables suck more and more of the same nutrients out of the land, depositing more and more of other nutrients. After several years, you get a toxic lack of certain nutrients, and a toxic amount of other nutrient deposits. The land can no longer support any plants with that level of toxicity, so nothing grows. The plants no longer hold the soil together. The wind, sun and rain erode the soil apart, and eventually, it separates into sand. That is what is happening with the Sahara desert. It's growing in several thousands of acres a year, because farmers are not rotating their crops, so their farmland is slowly being eroded into desert.

It's not that we're less genetically intelligent. It's just that we are so dependent on technology, we are just ignoring what is right in front of your faces.

Scientists are now saying that before SatNav, people used to keep their eyes on the road to watch out for road signs, and that kept them seeing cars, and avoiding accidents. They have said that because so many of us have SatNav, a lot of people are not bothering to watch the road for road signs, and are not paying as much attention to the road, and are noticing other cars, and that is causing more accidents. That's not because we have technology. That's because we are using it to depend on it to our peril.

We are in danger of becoming like the Eloi, so interested in the magic food that just appears on our tables, that we don't bother to toil for ourselves, and never learn how to swim or how to protect ourselves from being eaten by the Morlocks.
 Confident-Realist
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Posted: 3/8/2009 6:44:53 PM
I think what it does is widen the gap for the haves and have-nots, in terms of the educated & bright.

Techology does this, and so has education to try and pass people through everything. Yeah, I know, many teachers may take offense... hey, there are awesome teachers out there. But the educational system basically folds if there's too many kids who aren't going to do anything, hence generations churn out, instilled in them that they don't have to or shouldn't have to do much in life. Allows people to be lazy and more importantly, intellectually lazy. I think that does it more than technology, to be honest.

People depend too much on technology, or technical short-cuts in life, and they've evolved to the point where in some cases, little needs to be done to get a lot. That shuts down? People are screwed. In the future, their version of "MacGuyver" will be a guy who can open a toaster with a phillips screwdriver -- all by himself! lol
 WanderingRain
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Posted: 3/8/2009 7:26:43 PM
Yes... It's worse. Stupid people multiply faster as well.
And with advances in technology, even defects such as genetic infertility can be passed on to future generations. In the past, defects in the genome are eliminated by natural means. Now we can extend not only the genetic defect of low brain power, but we also pass on things like low sperm count and so on...

We are also on this terrible social climate where in most fields except maybe sports, mediocrity is worshipped and rewarded while true excellence is denied its place in the sun.
 yna6
Joined: 1/21/2007
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Posted: 3/8/2009 7:54:38 PM
I think america had the guts ripped out of her when NASA got so many budget cuts. The country couldn't afford to keep running a war and running a space race. So, it cut both. The 70's spelled a bit of a confusing period, then, everything slumped.
What is needed is a large effort, both economically and in the public interest to unit the country. They tried a couple wars....didn't work out well. They are starting to push manned missions to the moon again, then Mars. This was the promise held out to us in the 50's and 60's...and may now well be done! A huge effort could go into this project. This stimulates the economy, creates jobs, and gives back a dream to the people.
Perhaps Obama may well be the next "Kennedy"...and America could well be Camelot....
 CerebralRomantic
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Posted: 3/9/2009 5:36:27 PM
I think that this is an interesting question.

Are we getting dumber, or simply more ignorant?

What we are doing is superceding the active process of natural selection in our own evolution. As social beings crossed with our ever progressing mastery of technology, more and more the determination of who lives to an age where they are able to have children is determined by scientific tools rather than natural pressures.

So that means that the process by which we select mates has become entirely based on the social fitness of a person rather than their ability to produce strong offspring (although we do have one or two throwbacks floating around still, all hail former president fratboy (gagging on own bile. . . ok I'm ok now, will continue. . .))

It means, that you have picked the proper word with which to frame your question; breeding.

We are breeding humans now based uppon what they believe, what they say, and who they agree with. If an individual does not follow a certain creed, or believe in a certain set of moral/ ethical values that coincide with everyone else, then as a society we shun them, and it becomes harder for them to breed.

Unfortunately for us as a society, we have chosen social values which are not particularly beneficial to the new structure which we have built ourselves around. . . That is to say that at a time in which we are ever more dependant on science to keep us alive, we are selectively breeding human beings who will be born into families which teach social values devoid of science at best, and believing science to be evil at worst.

Therefore short circuting our own evolution.

I would say that amounts to voluntarily having your own heart replaced with a mechanical pump, and then displaying your disbelief in the properties of electricity by pulling the plug. . .

And yes, that is extremely stupid.
 rtrtrtrtyyyuu
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Posted: 3/27/2009 8:59:10 PM
I truly believe the source of stupidity is born out of media.

The nature of media (tv, movies, music) is to be creative. To be creative is to exaggerate. Exaggeration is sold as truth and fact to the public to make money for media companies. Instead of learning to question this, people are enticed and believe the illusion and exaggeration of knowledge.(pretty lights, logos, attractive people, etc.)

As a result, people are brainwashed and programmed to believe the stereotypes they hear, and yes, this is how people become stupid.

How do I know this? I was this way in my early teens with hip hop and rap. The teens are really the easiest years of your life for absorbing information and thought. Yeah! What a better way to do it than to stick the kids to a public indoctrination center -cough- -cough- I mean school, to brainwash them with knowledge they won't even use(Do you honestly think kids care about an electron?). It's a building with a bunch of kids who are left to create their own social structures without any learning critical thinking or guidance from elders. Genius? Eh!
 stargazer1000
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Posted: 3/28/2009 5:50:04 AM
Has society bred stupidity? Yes. Yes it has. Just watch any YouTube video of people doing their best to hurt themselves or each other. Or could teenage boys cracking their nuts on stairwell handrails as they "shred" down it on their skateboard be an example of evolution removing undesirable traits from the gene pool? Traits like stupidity of cracking your nuts on a handrail.

Hmmm, interesting thought.
 scorpiomover
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Posted: 3/28/2009 7:33:09 AM
RE msg 35 by Purdue1:
I am a university student studying engineering here in the US. We just recently had our Spring career fair and I would like point out something that is blatantly obvious in company hiring practices today - they want these social skills. I have numerous friends with extremely high GPAs who were actually unable to get a internship or Co-Op for the summer because they lack the proper communication and social skills. Now, that is only speculation on my part, however, these are extremely smart kids who have worked very hard in school to do well, but they are socially awkward. Also keep in mind that we are talking about engineers here - not business majors, you would think that a company would only be looking for academic excellence…but this is not true. The #1 complaint from employers who hire from my university is not that they are under prepared in technical aspects - but they are under prepared in communication and soft skills.
I used to hear the very same complaint. As I am not blessed with good social skills, and half the time, people have no idea what I am talking about, I asked my employers why they would employ me at all. They explained to me, that people with good social skills are a dime a dozen, but nearly all have no talent, and usually are very selfish and grandstanders to boot. They employ me because I'm not out to screw them over, and because I have some skill in my job, and so even though they have to explain things to me 4 or 5 times, they get what they want out of me. When they employ people with good social skills, they usually find the product works while the guy's still there, then he moves on to a new job, and it falls apart, and he won't take their calls unless they pay through the nose. So, they'd rather take me, a pain in the a**, anyway. It seems to me, that what employers want is someone talented, moral, and able to follow instructions.

That is a slanted statement if I’ve ever seen one. A company’s job is not to make you dumber at all. A marketing firm spends countless hours pouring over consumer research to find out how to make you want their product - not how to make you dumber. Their job is to convince you that even though you will save money by buying something used - buying it new will be so much better that it is worth forgoing the savings.
The job of a marketing firm is to make you buy their product. They don't care how. They pick the method that is cheapest and quickest. Only problem is, that in this globally competitive world, you are competing with thousands of other companies, and smart people will always pick the other company who is offering something you are not. Either you have to be the best of the best, or the cheapest of the cheapest, which 999 out of 1000 comapnies cannot be, or you're screwed with smart people. If you want to make money, it's a lot easier to sell to dumb people, because they can be fooled a lot easier than smart people. So it makes far more sense from a marketing point of view, to encourage a lack of intelligence.

An example of this is media advertising of toys. Parents are the ones who buy it. So marketing should appeal to the parents. But they know that parents will make the sensible choice, and save for something the kids will enjoy again and again and again. So they appeal to the short-attention span of kids, for shiny new "cool" stuff. They know that the kids are easy to fool. They're kids. Once the kids want it, they'll pester the parents until they give in. They can bypass sensible choices that would make parents buy toys that make kids much, much, much happier, than 90% of toys.

This is not quite the dark picture that you paint, ultimately you will make the decision and it will not be because you are any dumber or smarter than you were before you saw the add, it will only be dependent on whether or not you want it bad enough to pay for it.


On the contrary, if everyone stopped buying new goods we would have an unemployment problem that you can’t fathom, so let’s hope people keep buying.
If everyone stopped buying new goods, then we'd still buy SOME new goods, just only things we'd need. We'd have a huge unemployment problem, but even more money because no-one is buying goods they don't need. That combination could be used to employ many of them building housing we desperately need, treat the sick, cure cancer, cure AIDS, volunteer in Africa the sky is the limit. Without consumerism, and with good administration, we could make the world a very happy place to live in for evreyone, not just the people who get to go to uni and make a lot of money.

The world today is more complex than it ever has been in history. There is more information in the Sunday newspaper today than most people in history likely came across in a years time. Perhaps the menial tasks are being taken care of for us, however, that has been disproportionately offset by the tremendous amount of information available at our fingertips - all of this information must be sorted and analyzed in order to make sense of the world around us. I would argue that we do more thinking but less understanding, the world is extremely complicated and it’s hard to make sense of what’s going on most of the time, this is not a fault of lack of thought - but rather too much information at all times which makes understanding more difficult.
That is very, very true, in that we have much more information than 100 years ago. But we have far, far, far less organisation of that material, and it is organisation of a subject that allows you to collate it all, and develop a cohesive overview of the material, and it is that overview that gives us the vision to make explanations and theories.

Problem is, if you have a mass of info, but no organisation, then it's like buying an encyclopaedia, but finding that all the papers have been arranged randomly. You'll never follow any of it. It's useless. You are basically left without any info to read at all. You are no better off than someone with nothing to read, and he is no better off than someone who cannot read, as they all have no way to read and learn.

Lack of proper organisation of information doesn't mean you are stupid. But it does mean that you have no advantage over someone who is stupid.
 torgo70
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Posted: 3/28/2009 7:46:19 AM

We don't know how they built the pyramids


I know how they built the pyramids, I watched- '10,000 BC'
 abelian
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Posted: 3/28/2009 2:46:58 PM
All of those things required many smart people to develop them. People can use those things to be smart or be stupid.
 scorpiomover
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Posted: 3/28/2009 7:14:21 PM
RE msg 42 by Purdue1:

We'd have a huge unemployment problem, but even more money because no-one is buying goods they don't need.
That is a completely fabricated and illogical statement. Currently you are seeing proof that this is not how things work in the real world. Savings rates in the U.S. have increased dramatically as people are cutting down on wasteful spending, this in turn means that people are buying less new goods - hence, you are seeing the results in the unemployment rates. The comment that you will have a HUGE unemployment problem and MORE money is a gross misunderstanding of how a market works.
That is the standard economic model, based on money.

But money is just a means for exchanging resources, goods and services. It is the resources that you can supply, and the resources that you need to consume, that actually matter. If the resources that you can supply exceed the resources that you need to consume, then you can remain solvent. If the resources that you can supply are less than the resources that you need to consume, then you will always remain in deficit, and you will have to supply fixed assets, in the form of the natural resources of your country, to make up the shortfall. A very important source of resources is labour hours, because labour is what enables us to work natural resources into finished products, and labour is what enables us to convert sunlight into food and energy, via farming. If you have high unemployment, that means that you have a hugh amount of untapped renewable resources, in the form of unused labour hours. High unemployment shows that you have the ability to remain solvent, but are simply not using your resources efficiently to remain so, which means that as soon as you find ways to occupy those people in work, you increase your solvency. High consumption means that you are using up a lot more resources than you actually need to survive, and that means increased deficit. Ultimately, high unemployment means a potential solution to your economic worries, and since most people seem to be happier having a job than having nothing to do, that is a potential for a huge advantage. High consumption means you have another potential solution to your worries, but only by lowering that rate of consumption, and since most people don't like to lower their standards of living, that is a big disadvantage.


Either you have to be the best of the best, or the cheapest of the cheapest, which 999 out of 1000 comapnies cannot be, or you're screwed with smart people.
I don’t know how you are defining smart people here - yet you are consistently using some sort of logic that assumes anyone who spends more than the minimum amount of money is (not)smart. This is more a case of your personal opinion that anything else. Just because a person decides that buying a new good for a greater price than a well working used good does not mean that they are somehow (less) smart than the penny pinching people of the world - it is only a difference in choice. We each personally choose how to allocate our funds, these personal preferences usually have no bearing on how smart a person is.
I do not mean to suggest that a person who has a PhD is somehow going to be more careful with their spending than someone who hasn't finished high school. But if you spend less than you make, you'll always have more resources to convert into things you need. If you spend more than you make, you'll always have things you need but cannot afford. So it is extremely advantageous to everyone, to be very careful about what you buy, by thinking if you REALLY need that new make-up, or that new car, or that bigger house, or that expensive suit, and to shop around to get the best deal, weighed against how many labour hours you could have worked if you'd not spent that time looking for a better deal.

It doesn't matter how many qualifications of lack of qualifications you have, that can guarantee you financial security. What matters, is how well you manage your money.

But, if most people are very careful with what they spend their money on, then they will only shop at the places that give them the best value for their buck. That is fine for everyone, when each business makes a different product, and different people need different products. But our society has embraced mass-production, and so most companies in the same industry are making the same products for everyone. There isn't the variability of choice for every company to give the best value for your buck, or even most companies. So most companies can easily go to the wall. It's just far more productive to use NLP, impulse buying, emotionally-loaded messages, and all sorts of other tricks, to convince people to buy your products, not because they are better value, but simply because you are bypassing their intellect, and going straight for the emotions, to make a drive within people, to buy products they really don't need at all, because it's a lot cheaper to make a few costly adverts, than make better quality products, that usually means raising the costs of production and labour of millions of produced items.

It simply makes more sense in business terms, to try to encourage people to not use critical thinking when making purchases.
 Twill348
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Posted: 3/28/2009 8:56:41 PM
"We don't have to bother to actually learn long division..... to do long division we simply have to pull out our calculator, press the correct sequence of buttons, and the calculator does the thinking part."

The calculator does the WORK part. The person still has to think. And, since they no longer have to think as much about simple math, they can invent gene therapy. This is a good thing.

You can have the best calculator in the world, but if you don't understand the quadratic equation, you are gonna fail the test! It is a tool, you need to know how to use it. Simple math is just a BS waste of time. It's like digging a hole with your bare hands.

People today who do not use their minds, would have, in the past, been doing repititive simple math. In neither case are they really using their minds.
 shadowedminds
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Posted: 3/28/2009 9:15:53 PM
Not stupidy only the ability to push less important or thought provoking task on to tools. Popular culture on the other hand makes me wonder.
 JustDukky
Joined: 7/8/2004
Msg: 39
Has society bred stupidity?
Posted: 3/29/2009 7:30:11 PM
They brought out cars, and destroyed the small local businesses by building huge remotely located malls with big parking lots.

They brought out TV, which was supposed to bring culture to the masses and instead turned it into a vast wasteland of advertising, lousy shows and mind control. (What did you THINK they meant by "programming"?)

They brought out the debt-based economy, which reduced us all to tenant farmers slaving in indebted servitude to our banker landlords.

They abolished slavery by enlarging the plantation and turning everyone into slaves by flashing an illusion of freedom. It was all done with mirrors.

Result? A society of complacent slaves chasing an illusion of wealth and happiness (consumerism), who are now incapable of providing for their own needs and who must serve their masters to live. Opting out of the system is by now tantamount to suicide. Better have your "mark of the Beast" if you expect to eat, bank, or buy anything!

We are now stupid by design.
 JustDukky
Joined: 7/8/2004
Msg: 42
Has society bred stupidity?
Posted: 3/30/2009 5:41:22 AM

do they have mail????


No... thankfully.
 JustDukky
Joined: 7/8/2004
Msg: 43
Has society bred stupidity?
Posted: 3/30/2009 5:54:30 AM

Fortunately, if you ever decide to look at life in a different way you will find a very great amount of freedom


I've found my freedom; I didn't use "we" in the inclusive sense.


If you don't want to be in debt than don't spend more than you make - it's that simple.


It's not that simple in a debt based economy; or do you really think you own anything that you have (be careful here -- in 1933 a lot of people thought they"owned" their gold and even today, people think they own their land, only to have it expropriated)

I quit watching TV altogether some years ago. Until you have done so, you will have no idea what that rotten box is doing to you.

I DO like cars though. I just think it's sad that they have destroyed our sense of community. (If you don't think so, ask yourself how many of their immediate neighbors they even know or care about.)


Why don't you go to the deserts


Why?... My whole point is that we already live in a desert...of a sort.
 Confident-Realist
Joined: 2/8/2004
Msg: 44
Has society bred stupidity?
Posted: 3/30/2009 8:07:36 AM
JustDukky,
I think you're missing the point of the previous response to your post. You can look at anything that's bad, and make it worse. You can look at anything worse, and see it even worse than that. Yes, many people are stupid. But you're taking it too far.

They brought out cars, and destroyed the small local businesses by building huge remotely located malls with big parking lots.

What do big parking lots have anything to do with it? And small local businesses -- are they supposed to survive if they don't offer the cheaper prices and widest selections? It's a product of mass production, and as society grows, mass production is a good thing. That has nothing to do with making society more stupid.

They brought out TV, which was supposed to bring culture to the masses and instead turned it into a vast wasteland of advertising, lousy shows and mind control.

Nobody bought out TV. No idea where that came from. TV wasn't supposed to "bring culture" to the masses, influencing culture of the masses is a by-product. There's a lot of advertising, but that's the society we live in? People are numb to virtually all commercials. Do you freak out every time you see a shampoo commercial? Additionally, there's much better shows on TV that you think... many reflect reality and are thought-provoking, and aren't fake fantasy-loosely-based-on-reality like it once was... if that's the comparison you're referring to.

They brought out the debt-based economy, which reduced us all to tenant farmers slaving in indebted servitude to our banker landlords.

Nobody bought out a debt-based economy, but temporarily buying most of the stock in many financial institutions to prevent collapse. Whether or not that strategy is the best, it does not at all create more debt for the people who were in debt... It doesn't make people indebted to landlords and further their idiotic spending. Idiotic spending is what got the people in the situation in the first place, and financial institutions promoting it to make more "money" which wouldn't come back.

A society of complacent slaves chasing an illusion of wealth and happiness (consumerism), who are now incapable of providing for their own needs and who must serve their masters to live. Opting out of the system is by now tantamount to suicide. Better have your "mark of the Beast" if you expect to eat, bank, or buy anything!

Dude, you've read wayyy too many cheap conspiracy-theory books. Illusion of freedom? Freedom is being able to get yourself into miserable debt -- freedom allows stupidity to run rampant -- which it has. We've had freedom, and it's been no illusion. Consumerism and advertising isn't brainwashing people. It's the culture promoting self-spending beyond one's means. It's being told "you deserve" to take your whole family out to eat 3 times a week -- and if you can't -- it's soo unfair, because other people get to (who are in the same position).

Basically, people don't want to cut back on their own budgets, but expect the government and companies to do that. They'll yell and scream at the govt. and big corporations on spending, but then whine and cry that they can't buy all the stuff they had their hearts set on. Then they may reel into conspiracy theory BS on how everyone's controlled like slaves, because when they CAN'T get that sweet car they dreamed they'd be able to get -- or that grand house, because they're in debt. And then possibly blame consumerism, etc.

Society has to take its lumps and learn from its actions. There -should- be some suffering on a low-end scale. That's how you learn. You don't HAVE to get thrown into debt. People do because we live in a society of "keeping up with the Joneses". Mass advertising just rolls with that. Hopefully from society taking their hits, they'll realize that it isn't a great travesty to not keep up with the Jonses... because they're going to be debt up to their eyeballs, too.
 JustDukky
Joined: 7/8/2004
Msg: 45
Has society bred stupidity?
Posted: 3/30/2009 9:56:42 AM

Nobody bought out a debt-based economy


Yes they did; that's why your "money" says "legal tender" (for the discharge of debt) instead of "pay to the bearer on demand". In point of fact we don't pay for anything anymore because all the money has been pulled. The best we can do is promise to pay using IOUs from the central bank called dollars to discharge debt.

BTW, I may come across as a very angry malcontent, but that's just to get your juices flowing to facilitate discussion. I'm really a pretty happy guy (in spite of being an angry malcontent. lol)

The forgoing needed saying because it seems some people picture me as a rabid, frothing old crank (which is basically true, except for the frothing part).
 observer902
Joined: 1/13/2009
Msg: 46
Has society bred stupidity?
Posted: 3/30/2009 10:38:41 AM
I would agree with on the terms that we no longer weed out our deefctives, like the animal community does. As human soceity "evolved" those that would otherwise have not survived due to various maladies, are able to due to advances in medicine, etc.
Also in a quest to make the less ambitious, or mentally inferior feel included, they have dumbed down the standards.
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