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 RDtoo
Joined: 1/30/2005
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I don't know if anyone saw Dateline earlier tonight, but I have seen alot of similar stories and it always puzzles me. Several women got played by, get this, a homeless guy. He pretended to be a big shot music producer who worked with Quincy Jones and people like that. He would meet these women on-line with ads showing a picture of himself that was taken at least 20 years ago. Anyways, he would prey on women who were interested in the music business and sometimes just women looking for a good catch. After building up trust he somehow would convince them to send him money to either further their career or promising a return on their investment in a music industry opportunity. These women would send him 5 or 10 thousand dollars. And these women were talented and successful in what they were doing. One was a hostess on the Home Shopping Network or something. One woman went to meet him in Atlantic City and found instead of the handsome 30ish man in the pics was a fat, graying 50 something year old man. He wined her and dined her, with what was probably the money she sent him, and she ended up sleeping with the guy. The cops fianally bust the guy and he went to prison, but the women still seemed to be having a hard time saying anything bad about him even though they did not get their money back. There should have been red lights flashing from the very beginning. I have seen stories like this before. Can someone please tell me how a woman could buy into this. Was it because the guy was claiming to be rich and famous? I just don't get it.
 CutiepieHoneybunch
Joined: 11/27/2008
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Posted: 4/12/2009 10:55:39 PM
All kinds of people get conned everyday... sad fact. Its not exculsive to women.

I'd certainly not fall for it. I'd call him out...and not a dime of my money will go to a guy I don't know VERY well. I'm miserly.
 RDtoo
Joined: 1/30/2005
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Posted: 4/12/2009 11:14:17 PM
I am sure that not all women would fall for this, but enough of them do. The women they showed were very attractive women in their 30s. This guy looked like Jabba the Hut, but they said that several of these women slept with him. The only rational thing I can figure is they thought he was rich and maybe they could be too. The puzzling part is they didn't seem to be all that angry at him after they found out that they had been robbed and played.
 diamondgirl2727
Joined: 2/25/2008
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Posted: 4/12/2009 11:19:45 PM
One good rule to remember, when dealing with agents, whether its a modeling, acting, or music business etc., you never pay them. Anyone who asks for money to get you started is a scammer. Modeling agencys are notorious for this. A model convention will ask you to pay thousands to be seen by other agents, this is a scam, they will ask for money to have your pics taken, its a scam, you always have them them done by a reputable well known model photographer on your own. These agencys will charge you to have your portfolio done with the promise of work, sadly, you never hear from them again . Same with the music business, if they like you, they will foot the bill for the recording studio, not you. People fall for this because of the promise of fame and fortune, they will do anything if they think it will get them their dream.
 Malley
Joined: 5/12/2007
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Posted: 4/12/2009 11:22:10 PM
If this guy was homeless, how was he accessing the internet, where were these women sending the money and where did these women sleep with him ???

He couldn't have made a very good living at this otherwise he'd have gotten himself a place to live.

These woman may not have spoken badly about him because he was likely a charming man. From my understanding, it's a prerequisite for being a con-man.

OP $5-10K is not a lot of money for someone successful to lose. Perhaps he provided enough entertainment they felt they got their money's worth.
 cb994266
Joined: 12/8/2007
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Posted: 4/12/2009 11:28:39 PM
I saw that program too. They said the guy conned both men and women, maybe around 30 people in all (I think.) I'm guessing they just chose to invite the hotties to be on the show because it boosts ratings. Plus, it makes the guy seem like a more successful con man when they show this big, ugly dude seducing a beautiful, successful woman.

I don't know how this guy got all those people to fall for his line. I suppose it is because everyone has their vulnerabilities..for the women they had on the show, that vulnerability was the promise of vast riches if they made the "right" investments.


Edit: The guy was going online at the library, and he eventually bought himself a laptop. He slept with the woman at a casino hotel where he was a high-roller, since he basically gambled away every penny of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he stole. He obviously had a gambling addiction and couldn't stop himself. He still claims that he was planning to pay everyone back when he finally got his big score.

And OP, the women seemed pretty upset to me. Mostly they seemed mad at themselves for falling for his paper-thin logic. As successful, type-A sorts of women, they were obviously going to "own" their decisions both in success and failure.
 RDtoo
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Posted: 4/12/2009 11:37:46 PM
He started off using the computers at the public library, then after the money started coming in, he got himself a laptop. The women were sending the checks to his ex-wifes house who had thrown him out. He would stop by to pick up the mail.

Not all these women were looking to get into the industry. The woman who sent him 10k, was looking for a successful man. She met him on some Meet a Millionaire website. She was a personal trainer in California, so maybe 10k wasn't much to her, but the girl who was trying to make it in the music business had trouble coming up with the 5k she sent.
 ZenBeth
Joined: 2/23/2009
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Posted: 4/13/2009 12:02:30 AM
Yes, I saw the Dateline show and I think one reason some women dont say anything bad about him is because in doing so they are saying something bad about themselves. And I have a hard and fast rule. The only people I give money to are a few long term friends and family members for special occasions. Did help a friend who had her purse stolen when with me and I gave her money to get her thru the week so she could get her license replaced etc and change the locks on her doors. But she has always been there for me as well.

Heck on one email account my family has we still find emails in the spam folder from fools in Africa who think we will fall for the stupid Nigerian style email scams. And yet there are still lots of people who take the bait.

~Beth~
 WackMC
Joined: 4/23/2008
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Posted: 4/13/2009 12:44:12 AM
What has this got to do with POF?

People from all walks of life get played. The Madoff scandal is the final word -- even rich, successful, educated, professionals get played every day because they FAIL to do their homework and decide to trust someone sight unseen.

It happens, and the details of these womens' life are irrelevant. The ONLY thing that matters is that this guy was a scammer, and much suffering could have been avoided with common-sense precautions.

Just last week I saw a story of a guy selling a device to double your car's gas mileage. Yeah, sure....and people actually paid $2000 a shot for this crap and the guy isn't in jail. Hell, for me that's 2 years worth of gas!!! Talk about penny-wise and pound-foolish!! Do you REALLY think some nobody can deliver double the performance with a few turns of a wrench? Don't you think every car shop in town would be selling this if it worked?

A scam is a scam and we are all susceptible -- UNFORTUNATELY.
 BettyBlue
Joined: 12/12/2008
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Posted: 4/13/2009 1:20:59 AM
Fact is, Everyone who sent money is just plain stupid.
 Mominatrix
Joined: 7/5/2006
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Posted: 4/13/2009 3:21:06 AM
There are men getting played by African spammers every day.

Sucker has no gender.
 Bellydanza
Joined: 11/25/2007
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Posted: 4/13/2009 4:19:03 AM
Yeah that is definitely true. And that has happened right here on POF. One friend had two different ''models'' ask for money for family member surgeries or to get back home from modeling assignment. Another friend also had one of these scammers try to get money from him as well. I'm sure they aren't the only two men to get sucked in by ''models'' sending out sexy photos.

What I wonder is, are people on POF when they run across these scammers, reporting them? That is the only way to get rid of idiots like this.
 bklynrebel
Joined: 11/30/2008
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Posted: 4/13/2009 4:50:36 AM
There's an old saying, there are no victims, only volunteers. I've certainly fallen for some charming con artists in my life.
 Lori922
Joined: 5/29/2008
Msg: 14
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Posted: 4/13/2009 5:33:25 AM
Excellent post, Wack. I agree, scammers are everywhere...guess it's easier than making an honest buck. It's all about gaining the honesty and trust of your victim...whether it be in corporate America or an online dating site.
 JensenC
Joined: 3/17/2009
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Posted: 4/13/2009 9:46:57 AM
I dont really know of any scammers like that.

I know a few select people around here try to pray on musicians to sign contracts which involve paying the record company.

Lesson here, dont sign anything without a lawyers concent, and second of all, if they ask for you to invest anything, that should be a giant red flag!
 Mercy Mac
Joined: 3/29/2009
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Posted: 4/13/2009 10:42:02 AM
oh PUKE ok THOSE women were stupid!!!
 Adam Taylor
Joined: 5/11/2006
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Posted: 4/13/2009 10:58:06 AM

One good rule to remember, when dealing with agents, whether its a modeling, acting, or music business etc., you never pay them. Anyone who asks for money to get you started is a scammer.


Very true.
When I got my demo tape made, I wasn't asked for any money until they showed me the finished product.

When I was doing commercials for WWF (Wildlife, not Wrestling ) and Levi's and such... my agency at the time didn't charge me until they had things set up.
It wasn't "give us money, and we'll get you a chance to do some ads", it was "we'll set you up to do some ads, and if it works out, we'll take our cut".
 crazy4mars
Joined: 2/9/2009
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Posted: 4/13/2009 12:32:53 PM
Well they weren't the brightest bulbs in the pack.
Doesn't matter if it's a scammer or gambling.
You never give more than your willing to lose.
 Adam Taylor
Joined: 5/11/2006
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Posted: 4/13/2009 1:31:26 PM
There are some really stupid smart people out there. LOL!

Plus, some people are just desperate, and that can make them act without thinking.
Sometimes common sense is left behind. Which is a shame.
It takes two people for a scam to work. One to pull the scam, the other to be dumb enough to fall for it.
 Silent Steel
Joined: 2/18/2009
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Posted: 4/13/2009 1:47:32 PM
People get scammed when they make decsions with their heart intstead of their brains.

These women were not stupid in my opinion, they were just inexperienced and lacked "street smarts". Now if they fall for that crap again....then yeah they bring a whole new level to the word stupid.
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