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 barbee1970
Joined: 12/29/2008
Msg: 2
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McCain and Obama both wanted to grant Amnesty. These politicians want more votes at the expense of taxpayers. We will continue to involuntarily give them free education, healthcare and welfare at our expense.

Theyll keep coming for the American Dream and breed like rats to reap more government benefits. We will be squeezed out of jobs and land as we will be overpopulated. Welcome to the demise of America.

 SAguy_06
Joined: 12/29/2005
Msg: 5
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Posted: 4/19/2009 2:40:01 PM
We are always saying dont forget 911...

But have we forgotten Oklahoma City and the Atlanta Olympics?
 SAguy_06
Joined: 12/29/2005
Msg: 6
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Posted: 4/19/2009 4:03:40 PM

Well, Obama promised change. And now his administration is a work to give it with a vengeance. Homeland security releases a report stating that the people to watch as potential terrorists are Concervatives who are pro- life, opposed to same sex marriages and for border control. Although these people in reality are less likely to commit acts of terrorism.
 oddandy
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 7
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Posted: 4/19/2009 4:14:27 PM

and anyone who puts a challenge to the current administration are being label as dangerous.


Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
 Ezzee
Joined: 7/26/2004
Msg: 10
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Posted: 4/19/2009 5:33:01 PM

And now his administration is a work to give it with a vengeance. Homeland security releases a report stating that the people to watch as potential terrorists are Concervatives who are pro- life, opposed to same sex marriages and for border control.


Well, I guess I have absolutely nothing to worry about then. I'm a (True) Conservative who is pro-choice, support GLBT Marriage, and am for a border less world.


Reading comprehension is not a conservative value.


Wow, I must really be doing good then. I'm also a (True) Conservative who scored in the 98th percentile nationwide on my college exit exam in reading and writing comprehension.

I guess I have absolutely nothing to worry about then.
 Beaugrand®™©
Joined: 3/24/2008
Msg: 12
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Posted: 4/19/2009 7:29:24 PM

"Since abortion was legalized in 1973 there has been 2 maybe 3 bombings of abortion clinics. A very small minority of those who are pro-life."


http://msnbc.com/modules/clinics/

Acts of violence against abortion clinics and their employees have been carried out across the United States throughout the 1980s and 1990s.
There were
1,700 acts of violence against abortion providers between 1977 and 1994, with four people killed in 1994 and one in 1993, according to statistics from the National Abortion Federation. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has logged
167 attacks against abortion clinics over the past 15 years.

In 1984, there were 18 bombings against abortion clinics. In 1993, there were 78 death threats aimed at clinic employees. And, in 1996, bombings, threats and harassment affected about one-third of U.S. abortion clinics.
 Beaugrand®™©
Joined: 3/24/2008
Msg: 13
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Posted: 4/19/2009 7:59:17 PM
The real report (which was commissioned by the Bush Administration) in .pdf form can be found at
http://www.aclj.org/media/pdf/ACLJ_dhs-hsa-rightwing-extremism-040709.pdf
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
Msg: 14
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Posted: 4/19/2009 8:15:39 PM
Do you mean common sense, or is spelling only followed by liberal?
 SAguy_06
Joined: 12/29/2005
Msg: 15
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Posted: 4/20/2009 4:41:23 AM

I have read,things that make anyone a potential threat to national security are bumper stickers for radicals like Ron Paul,Bob Barr(Libertarian),Chuck Baldwin(Constitution Party),pro-life stickers, gun rights advocates,Christians,anyone who believes in securing our borders from illegal immigration,and the list goes on.While I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature,it doesn't take x-ray vision to see the writing on this wall.I wonder how I'd look in a tin foil hat....


Ive seen this posted elsewhere...could you please give links to the report or to the "things" you have been reading, I'd like to read it for myself...unfiltered.
 oddandy
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 18
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Posted: 4/20/2009 7:01:39 AM
To the radical left, "pro american" means they blow up police stations, judges homes, the pentagon, SUV dealerships, and pretty much anyone else who doesn't agree with them. See "The Weathermen" and "Earth Liberation Front" for starters. Instead of taking responsibility, they try to shift the blame to the right by claiming that all anti-abortionists are right-wingers, and after all, there have been SIX THOUSAND abortion clinic attacks, so none of the other bombings over the years count. They will sometimes tell you to "come back when you reach 6000 left-wing attacks," implying that it's ok for them to bomb buildings so long as they don't do it as often as the right-wingers.
 Kaos86
Joined: 3/7/2007
Msg: 21
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Posted: 4/20/2009 2:09:24 PM
Janeane Garofalo is a hoot and good for the Conservative movement.
They need those rallying points.

Even the democrats of the nineteenth century were conservative by our standards.

And the 20th century dems also, just review how Kennedy slashed taxes on the wealthy to get the economy moving.
 Kaos86
Joined: 3/7/2007
Msg: 22
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Posted: 4/20/2009 3:59:01 PM
So much anger on the left.
So much hate.
If Bush set up a dictatorship then why isn't he still in control?
 oddandy
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 24
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Posted: 4/20/2009 6:57:55 PM

Bush gave himself the authority to arrest ANYBODY, for any reason, at any time...just his say so.


I hope you're aware that all those executive orders (as well as the mis-named 'Patriot Act") are STILL in effect and Obama has NOT rescinded them. Sorta like how he campaigned against FISA and then voted for it....

I tend agree with your opinion of Bush... the problem is that so many people seem unwilling to accept the fact that Obama has these same powers because he refuses to relinquish that which Bush has given him. Why aren't you concerned about that?
 oddandy
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 26
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Posted: 4/20/2009 7:32:57 PM

No one without ties to terrorists had anything to fear from Bush.


Are you really going to make us go dig up the old stories about U.S. citizens of Muslim descent that were detained (1 I recall for almost 2 years) and then later released after it was figured out that they had nothing to do with any terrorists or do you already know you're full of shit?
 Pyro74
Joined: 4/23/2006
Msg: 27
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Posted: 4/21/2009 12:42:57 AM
Oh you sorry a$$ Rush/Hannity diciples. The complete 180 degree turnaround on homeland security your doing is hilarious. Probably should have listened to some of those "liberals" who told you stuff like this would come back to bite you in the a$$. So, are you going to go appologise to the ACLU now. They are the only ones who can save your sorry butts, now that the terrorism spot light is hitting a little too close to home. Interesting, your administration set the rules, and now that Obama is in office, you don't want to play by them anymore.
The conservative right has ZERO credibility. You guys are completely and totally insignificant.
 wisguyingb
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 28
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Posted: 4/21/2009 3:51:33 AM
Odd Andy hit the nail on the head with his remark at post#41

I'd personally like to see Obama throw out the Patriot act.

But isn't that kinda "wishful thinking" ?



 oddandy
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 31
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Posted: 4/21/2009 10:11:13 AM
I am unaware of any extra-constitutional powers retained by Obama. Could you identify any of these powers, and can you identify the Executive Order which granted that power?


Google Bush executive orders. The only one Obama has reversed is the ban on stem-cell research, thus the others (and you'll find 2 or 3 that should bother you) are still in effect. As is the Patriot Act and FISA. You remember FISA...the warrantless wiretap bill Obama told us all he opposed and then voted to renew anyway.
 oddandy
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 32
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Posted: 4/21/2009 10:44:05 AM
^^IOW, you can't name one power or one EO? I thought so.


Since you're apparently unable to use Google as I suggested I'll do it for you:

7/17/07 "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq"

From Globalresearch.ca


The Executive Order criminalizes the antiwar movement. It is intended to "blocking property" of US citizens and organizations actively involved in the peace movement. It allows the Department of Defense to interfere in financial affairs and instruct the Treasury to "block the property" and/or confiscate/ freeze the assets of "Certain Persons" involved in antiwar activities. It targets those "Certain Persons" in America, including civil society organizatioins, who oppose the Bush Administration's "peace and stability" program in Iraq, characterized, in plain English, by an illegal occupation and the continued killing of innocent civilians.

The Executive Order also targets those "Certain Persons" who are "undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction", or who, again in plain English, are opposed to the confiscation and privatization of Iraq's oil resources, on behalf of the Anglo-American oil giants.

The executive order violates the First, Fourth and Fifth Amendments of the US Constitution. It repeals one of the fundamental tenets of US democracy, which is the right to free expression and dissent. The order has not been the object of discussion in the US Congress. Sofar, it has not been addressed by the US antiwar movement, in terms of a formal statement.


If you do decide to do some googling and educate yourself you'll find that (since, after all, it was a Republican president who issued it) liberal media outlets, constitutional law attorneys and other lineral critics were quite vocal in their opposition to this order (and rightfully so,) which they all agreed is unconstitutional. Where are those critics now? The order is still in effect under Obama.

That's the most blatantly unconstitutional. For more truly Bush-esque orders (retained by Obama) including state secrecy, classifying information, etc, I suggest you read Slate's excellent article, "The Bush Executive Orders that Should Go" at:

http://www.slate.com/id/2200774/

I ask again, why did Obama tell us he was opposed to Bush's warrantless-wiretap bill (FISA) and then turn around and vote to renew it? He is a liar, just like his predecessor.


Barack Obama told a cheering crowd at a town hall meeting in Casper today that he would restore respect for law in the White House by reviewing every executive order issued by President George W. Bush and discarding any deemed unconstitutional.


http://www.denverpost.com/ci_8492078

Please do research this. Nothing the Bush administration did or changed is gone unless/until Obama specifically repeals it, as he did with the stem cell research ban. Bush took all the flack (and he should have) but now Obama's administration will enjoy the very same powers unless they overturn them.


As far as the PATRIOT Act goes, as well as other legislation, it is LEGISLATION. Are you suggesting that Obama unilaterally (and unconstitutional) declare some laws void? If not, then what exactly are you saying Obama should be doing that he isn't?


First of all he should have done what he told the American people he was going to do and vote against FISA. Yes, it and the mis-named Patriot Act are pieces of legislation. Given all the hell raised by liberals and liberal institutions such as the ACLU over these pieces of legislation it would seem to me that a democratic white house and democratic congress should easily be able to overturn them. Why isn't this on the table? For the same reason that the democratic majority we the people elected in 2006 to get us out of Iraq never came through: They're all full of crap. On both sides of the aisle.
 Beaugrand®™©
Joined: 3/24/2008
Msg: 37
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Posted: 4/21/2009 1:38:44 PM
Fortunately, the Limbaugh "I Hope He Fails" Loonies represent only a tiny fraction of the 25% of the public that oppose economic recovery for the sake of ideology.

I read a rumor (still attempting to verify) that GM was going to restructure and rebuild itself by manufacturing wind turbines and solar technology in some of those shuttered SUV plants. That's gotta burn the Obama-haters.
 Kaos86
Joined: 3/7/2007
Msg: 39
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Posted: 4/21/2009 2:40:38 PM

Boy, you better learn to read or listen to interviews of citizens from the US and abroad who have stepped forward to give first-hand accounts


I would like to hear the testimony of one of those US citizens, do you know of one?
 itechman63
Joined: 7/7/2005
Msg: 41
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Posted: 10/13/2009 2:12:27 PM
An abortion doctor will be assassinated in our country before an American falls to an act by an 'enemy combatant'.

While the Patriot Act really does nothing but remove due process, let's go with the Neo-Conservative belief that it actually does provide security. Why should said security be selective?

The Patriot Act was legislated and it exists. Until it's repeal, who is a future President going to deem necessary to target? You are aware that the Patriot Act does allow for someone posting on this forum to be shipped off without the rights we think we have simply for posting what you did OP should your thoughts be considered undermining to the administration?
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 10/14/2009 8:49:26 AM

And you bear an uncanny resemblance...


I'm not sure what you mean by "McCarthyism," but as I understand it, the paragraph I'm quoting strikes me as a good example. Kind of ironic. I have to agree, though, that Senator Joseph McCarthy was an honorable, honest patriot blessed with common sense.

I don't know about Mr. Trumbo, except that he, along with known spies like Alger Hiss and the Rosenbergs, is someone Communist propagandists never tire of trotting out as a supposed victim of "McCarthyism." But it's now well established that McCarthy was right about the main issue: Both FDR's and Truman's administrations were riddled with hundreds of Communists--at a time when the CPUSA took its marching orders from Moscow--and their fellow travelers. More than a few were agents of the USSR, actively engaged in espionage.

For proof of this, see Stanton Evans' recent and extremely well researched and documented "Blacklisted by History" and any of several academic studies of the Venona Cables. These are intercepts of coded cables between the Soviet Embassy in New York--the headquarters of Stalin's spy operations in the U.S.--and its agents, from the early 1940's into the 1970's. The U.S. declassified these cables in the 1990's.
 aSydneyMale
Joined: 5/16/2006
Msg: 43
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:06:59 AM

Spreading the wealth is not an American idea.

I thought it was? Isn't it the land of opportunity instead of concentrating that wealth in the hands of the elite few?



Well, Obama is doing the best he can to stop any creation of wealth in this country.

Creation of wealth? Like the Sub-prime mortgage market you mean?

There has to be a balance between left and right, extreme Capitalism is a bad thing, it is just plain greed and inhumane, extreme Socialism is cruel too. There has to be balance.
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