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 wisguyingb
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 1
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The third most listened to radio talk show host in America, Michael Savage, outlawed from traveling to the UK by Home Secretary Jacqui Smith because of his political opinions, has vowed to take legal action to clear his name on grounds of defamation after he was included in a list of banned individuals because of his opposition to illegal immigration.

World Net Daily reports that Savage is talking to attorneys and notes that England has very strict laws regarding defamation of character.

Reacting with shock to being linked with terrorists, racist groups and violent skinheads, Savage responded, “She said this is the kind of behavior we won’t tolerate? She’s linking me with mass murderers who are in prison for killing Jewish children on buses? For my speech? The country where the Magna Carta was created?’”

Smith said that Savage was an example of “someone who has fallen into the category of fomenting hatred, of such extreme views and expressing them in such a way that it is actually likely to cause inter-community tension or even violence if that person were allowed into the country.”

“Shame on you. Shame that you’ve fallen to such a low level,” responded Savage

It’s interesting to me that here I am a talk show host, who does not advocate violence, who advocates patriotic traditional values – borders, language, culture – who is now on a list banned in England,” Savage said. What does that say about the government of England? It says more about them than it says about me,” he added.

Since the UK Home Secretary Jacqui Smith fits the dictionary definition of “the head of a government department….one that attempts to control public opinion or its expression,” she can accurately be described as a political commissar in the same mould as those that crushed free speech in the former Soviet Union

Freedom of speech on Britain is all but dead and expressing opinions that might be considered “offensive” to minority groups has effectively been outlawed.

Said Savage, “How can a nation put me on a list and leave hate preachers in England who say that we’re going to kill all of you? We’re going to convert all of you to Islam. How is it possible that those hate preachers can’t be deported from Britain, but I can be banned from Britain? People who advocate actual murder cannot be deported from Britain.”
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 2
Michael Savage-outlawed from traveling to the UK!
Posted: 5/5/2009 5:26:13 PM
Uh...Dude? Calling someone a 'Sodomite' IS free speech--you will notice that Savage is NOT on the 'left'.


It’s interesting to me that here I am a talk show host, who does not advocate violence, who advocates patriotic traditional values – borders, language, culture – who is now on a list banned in England,” Savage said. What does that say about the government of England? It says more about them than it says about me,” he added.


No, what it really says about England is that they aren't buying Savage's particular brand of entertainment. They don't want him in their country--it's their right. I would say that hoping someone 'gets AIDS' is violent, but, hey--I'm one of those compassionate, spread the peace kinds of 'Left'.
 wisguyingb
Joined: 1/5/2008
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Posted: 5/5/2009 5:32:06 PM
I guess it's OK for people (on the left) like Janeane Garofalo to call people who went to a Tax Day TeaParty nothing more then teabaggers "racist rednecks" who hate the idea of having a "Blackman" as President.........I guess her speech should be protected and others speech should be muted.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms45EzMR0f8 (Use google)
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
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Posted: 5/5/2009 5:35:14 PM

I guess it's OK for people (on the left) like Janeane Garofalo to call people who went to a Tax Day TeaParty nothing more then teabaggers "racist rednecks" who hate the idea of having a "Blackman" as President.........I guess her speech should be protected and others speech should be muted.........


Why would you think that? Hate speech is hate speech, no matter who uses it. Read the bill.
 wisguyingb
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 5
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Posted: 5/5/2009 5:36:13 PM
That was sarcasm........

I do think that she has a right to say what she wants as does Mr Savage.

Popular speech is never never really free speech.

If one was a German citizen, and was to speak out against the Nazi's hate toward the Jews in the 1930's, that person would have been smeared if not worse.

But that same person would enjoy freedom of speech if he agreed with the Government's point of view.

That's what is scary here. The Government of Britain is deciding who is a threat based on what they think and not based on their criminal record.

Free thinking is what is being considered dangerous......
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
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Posted: 5/5/2009 5:55:52 PM
That was sarcasm........


I do think that she has a right to say what she wants as does Mr Savage.

Popular speech is never never really free speech.

If one was a German citizen, and was to speak out against the Nazi's hate toward the Jews in the 1930's, that person would have been smeared if not worse.

But that same person would enjoy freedom of speech if he agreed with the Government's point of view.

That's what is scary here. The Government of Britain is deciding who is a threat based on what they think and not based on their criminal record.

Free thinking is what is being considered dangerous......

'If'...
We're talking about a country that does not want Michael Savage to enter said country--they gave their reasons, as is their right.
They apparently base those reasons on having heard/read what Mr. Savage has to say--not on what they 'think', but on evidence of his rather extreme viewpoints.

Popular speech is never free speech--It can be both. I would hazard to say that the fans of Savage and Limbaugh applaud their use of free speech on a daily basis which is, at the same time, quite popular with that ilk.
 iherdcats
Joined: 6/15/2006
Msg: 7
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Posted: 5/5/2009 9:03:07 PM
good on England... they don't want him there, plenty of other places for him to be... at least they did not grab him and send off to Syria to be handled there.
The US will not allow certain people to fly over the US air space... people enroute to South America.
Big whiner.
delete.
 Pyro74
Joined: 4/23/2006
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Posted: 5/5/2009 11:53:20 PM

That's what is scary here. The Government of Britain is deciding who is a threat based on what they think and not based on their criminal record.

So, that's a problem for you right-wingers now? It was perfectly OK when it only happened to Muslims, but now that it happened to Mike Savage, it's a problem? It's so sad, how pathetic and completely and totally insignificant the far right has become.
 nipoleon
Joined: 12/27/2005
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Posted: 5/6/2009 3:15:59 AM
Countries do this sort of thing all the time.
Even the U.S. bans people from entering the country.




From Times OnlineMarch 9, 2009

Amy Winehouse can't enter US for Coachella Festival

Veronica Schmidt
Amy Winehouse cannot obtain entry to the US to play at the major music festival Coachella after she was charged with assault last week.
The Grammy Award-winner has given up hope of being awarded a work visa by the famously stringent American authorities, who look closely at travellers facing criminal charges, in time to make the festival next month.
She was due to perform alongside some of the world’s most feted musicians, including Sir Paul McCartney and The Killers, and in front of the industry’s most influential executives.
Winehouse was questioned and charged with common assault last week over an incident at a charity ball in September. She allegedly attacked a female fan at the End of Summer Ball in London after taking umbrage at being asked to pose for a photograph. She is due to appear in court on March 17.

The singer was banned from entering the US for last year’s Grammy Awards. Immigration authorities eventually reversed their decision but it was too late for Winehouse to make the ceremony and she was left accepting an impressive five gongs via satellite.
A critical and popular sensation following the release of her 2006 album Back to Black, Winehouse has since become more famous for her frequent arrests, rehab stays and hospital admissions.


It isn't all celebrities either. Very common people get banned from entering the country if they are deemed to be undesireable.

I doubt very much that Michael Savage has any grounds for legal action. If they don't want you they have a right not to want you.
Frankly, we'd all be better off without him, in my opinion.
 wisguyingb
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 10
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Posted: 5/6/2009 4:20:38 AM
In response to message 13

Who ever said I was a "right winger"?

I have voted 3rd party in the last 2 elections!

And another thing to "Pyro74"- Go back to my post #8 when I was responding to post #7.

I mention (and give a link) Janeane Garofalo's very tacky remarks about the Tax Day Tea Party people. She said they were nothing more then a bunch of Racist redneck's at a white power gathering....There must be something wrong with my eyes since I do remember seeing people of other(non-white) race at the tea parties?......I guess they did not see all the white power banners and skinheads like Miss Garofalo saw.......

I also mention in my message at post #8 that I think her speech(be it tacky) should be protected and kept free!(For the record I also think many of the things that Savage has said are tacky and cheap)

We can all look at England now as a "semi-free" nation. They can only think and say what their Government deems appropriate.

We have the right to argue, and disagree in this country. But nobody should ever be muted!..Period, end of story.

If you don't like Savage then turn him off! If you don't like Garofalo then turn her off! But never attempt to keep them from talking and saying what they think!

If we allow the only free speech to be regulated by the government then we are no longer free. And I think we deserve what we get from whatever type of regime is running the show when that time comes.......

On a off note---I suppose the Brits would not have dared to outlaw any American the "privilege" to visit England(ever) while they were faced with "The Blitz" in WW2.

Good old Winston Churchill had a lot of good practice with those "cigars" he liked to "puff' on so much....lol. Makes Uncle Sam smile and feel good.........
 SAguy_06
Joined: 12/29/2005
Msg: 11
Michael Savage-outlawed from traveling to the UK!
Posted: 5/6/2009 6:03:51 AM
Michael Savage's Rights end at the Edge of the water...

I find it Instersting How he wants to get Lawyers involved, but if A Cases arises in which He doenst back,...He claims Lawsuit abuse or over litigation.

Also, We in this country just...Labeled some Folk as "Enemy Combatants" and denied them Due process...Now Mike wants His due Process...

Mike is lucky, England didnt let him in and detain him and Waterbroad him to see if he "Knows" anything...
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Posted: 5/6/2009 8:07:54 AM
Savage is part of a team of far right hatemongers that are using their bully pulpits to foment a civil war in the US, a war on Islam, a war on women, and a war on truth. We all reserve the right to refuse utter****eads to enter our houses. GB has every right to deny Savage access to their shores. They already have a sizable skinhead and neo-nazi movement and really don't need little Hitlers like Savage to fan the flames.
Sara Robinson noted in Alternet today, the growing rage and potential for extremist domestic terrorism from the far right in the US.

http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/139825
snip.."Fueled by bone-deep racism, an unnatural terror of liberal government, frustration over the economic downturn, and fears about America's loss of world standing, they said, the militant right wing is indeed rising again.

Its numbers are up, its talk is turning ugly, and it's not unthinkable that we could be in for a wave of domestic terrorism unseen since the mid-1990s." end snip..

Savage quotes..
To "save the United States," lawmakers should institute "outright ban on Muslim immigration" and on "the construction of mosques."

"90 percent of the people on the Nobel Committee are into child pornography and molestation, according to the latest scientific studies."

The U.S. Senate is "more vicious and more histrionic than ever, specifically because women have been injected into" it.

Adherents of Islam would do well to "take your religion and shove it up your behind" because "I'm sick of you."
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
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Posted: 5/6/2009 4:09:30 PM
How about a compromise: I suggest that if Mr. Michael Weiner gives up his stage name the United Kingdom should let him in.

What do you think?

Unless I'm mistaken the guy essentialy said Joe McCarthy was a hero, that 99% of Autistic kids were just over indulged brats, that Muslims should be deported and place their religion in a certain part of their anatomy, and a whole lot more less than productive sentiments.

If our country let everyone in I'd see a point here. As it this man is deceitfull and portrays himself as a conservative that is good for America but is hardly either.

Division got us where we are. Why anyone would want to continue listening to entirely biased and partisan tripe is beyond me, but then again I'm a guy that believes in the critical thinking of plausible premises within sound syllogisms.

So OP, I'm going to respectfully disagree with you on this one.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Posted: 5/7/2009 3:33:36 PM
The US bans people for merely writing things we don't wish to hear. We also put our citizens on watchlists if they are environmentalists or peace activists or challenged the Bush propoganda.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25443530-2703,00.html

A number of my colleagues in the peace movment, many of them Veterans, have encountered do-not-fly designations, been harrassed during routine traffic stops, and had their phones tapped. Quakers and Grannies for Peace are among groups infilitrated and put on the 1.1 million list of enemies of the state. These people are the opposite of the Savages of the US.

It is disingenuous of Savage to whine about his being denied access to GB to tout his venom, while supporting the same treatment at home for over a million innocent people.

Yusaf Islam aka Cat Stevens had his plane diverted...Peace Train is still dangerous here.

Another gent in the last few weeks, his only crime of criticizing US policy was yet another foreigner who was victim to our growing paranoia.
Paranoid Authorities Wouldn't Let My Plane Fly Over U.S. Territory -- Was It Something I Wrote?
By Hernando Calvo Ospina , Progreso-Weekly
Posted on May 4, 2009, Printed on May 7, 2009
http://www.alternet.org/story/139606/
snip..
Air France Flight 438, from Paris, was to land at Mexico City at 6 p.m. on Saturday, April 18. Five hours before landing, the captain's voice announced that U.S. authorities had prohibited the plane from flying over U.S. territory. The explanation: among the passengers aboard was a person who was not welcome in the United States for reasons of national security.
snip..
"Are you a Catholic?" he asked. I answered no, but I am not a Muslim either, knowing how "dangerous" this religious belief has become to certain policemen.

"Do you know how to handle firearms?" I told him that the only time I held one I was very young; it was a shotgun and I was knocked down by the recoil. I never even went through military service, I said. In fact, I added, "my only weapon is my writing, especially to denounce the American government, whom I consider terrorist."

They looked at each other, and the seated man said something I already knew: "That weapon sometimes is worse than rifles and bombs." end snip..

The US is setting the standards for who can or cannot move freely in the world and we feign indignation when others follow our standards, or improve on them as in the case of Savage.
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
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Posted: 5/7/2009 4:20:41 PM

And yes, English please! I can't understand why some folks won't learn it... a family friend's parents have been in the US for over 20 years, yet they barely speak proper English.

Crap.

Any idea the number of people BORN in the USA who can barely speak proper English?
Had an interesting encounter today: a student who recently moved here from Thailand spent an hour in our classroom--he taught our Deaf kids how to write some Thai words in English, and they taught him how to sign the same words in ASL. He taught me how to say the words in Thai.

I am more and more thankful for having parents who raised five children with open minds and hearts.
 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
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Posted: 5/9/2009 12:04:49 AM
Yeah, and I heard today, that the dumbazz who called for his banishment, is being asked (or forced, or insert description here) to resign. So, the common sense folks of Britain actually get 'it'...unlike so many on this thread.





~ds~
 kuddlekitty
Joined: 12/30/2007
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Posted: 5/9/2009 1:46:50 PM
I think it should be obvious what the.best.guy.ever was trying to say and I don't think he needs a grammar lesson.
No one is saying that people should abandon their first language; what he is saying is that if you're going to live in a country speak the language! If you live in the United States...speak English!
And yes. I used an ellipsis, as did the.best.guy. You don't always have to use a period. Stop grading people and try to find the meaning behind the words.
Posting an opinion is not a freaking contest!
 kuddlekitty
Joined: 12/30/2007
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Posted: 5/11/2009 12:57:58 PM
Um...has one m! Methinks you need to switch your major!
 kuddlekitty
Joined: 12/30/2007
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Posted: 5/11/2009 5:07:42 PM
NBL..."ummm, Methinks you think not"

Really, if you're going to attempt to be clever, at least put a PERIOD after your sentence.
On reflection, um, (one m) methought (lowercase m) you were annoying. Now, meknows! (poetic license.)
 kuddlekitty
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Posted: 5/12/2009 7:26:20 AM
Exactly! So why do you keep correcting people with errors of your own (no periods after sentences, misspelled words, uppercase instead of lowercase).
Oh, and what happened to reading comprehension; is it okay that you completely missed the point of "speaking the language" so that you could flaunt what you think are your superior punctuation skills.
Sad? That's sad.
You can write the perfect sentence...(ELLIPSIS) and still say nothing!
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 21
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Posted: 5/12/2009 7:30:25 AM
For crap's sake!

You've BOTH made errors--get over it, and stay on the frigging topic!

Michael Savage is a Troll.
Any country that has the right and the ability to keep out the unwanted should be able to do so without condemnation.
When a person spends his/her career by flaming and trolling, that person should expect some blowback.
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
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Posted: 5/12/2009 7:49:17 AM
And, I agree with you. I've learned phrases in Russian, Vietnamese, and speak classroom Spanish, as well as sign ASL fluently. I think it smacks of elitism to demand that those who come to America learn English according to some nonexistent standard. Most immigrants understand English, but don't feel comfortable using it.

Anyway--I think Michael Savage is a horse's ass.
How's about you?
 kuddlekitty
Joined: 12/30/2007
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Posted: 5/12/2009 8:06:18 AM
Geeleebee...
It's not about "both" people making mistakes. This didn't even involve me until I defended the best.guy.ever who was originally attacked by Bush.
It seems these forums aren't fun for some people unless they go after other posters and start a "war." How ironic to debate whether someone should be banned from a country for their views and attitude...by people who INSTIGATE and INFLAME ill will toward others right here on a good ol' thread! And then they need to continue bashing until they get the last word or they can't proceed.
Humble thyself Bush...put down your ill-fitting teaching certificate (that would be people, not pepole) and get back on topic.
As said, the.best.guy.ever DID NOT mean that they speak PROPER English as in every punctuation mark, he meant knowing how to communicate effectively in English. Are you going to deny that there are people living in this country who do not understand the language at all and refuse to learn/use English. Please, we've all encountered that.
I dated a Sicilian guy for three years and he was the only one in his family to speak English. Not one person, mother/father/brother/aunts, etc. spoke in English. I felt like I was living in Sicily! That is not charming, and they were not visiting. They lived here.

And in the words of the great intellectual noBushlover..."in my experience, most people who use the "Learn English!" argument are dullards and white trash, too ignorant and lazy to learn the language themselves."
Who should be banned? People who incite and talk hate? LOL...
Yeah, your opinion matters...
 kuddlekitty
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Posted: 5/12/2009 1:51:01 PM
NBL: "But the dullards and white trash *will* refuse to learn proper English. This thread alone, with posters complaining about grammar critiques, provides ample proof that I was right. All I did was throw their "Learn English" back into their faces, and they act like I had committed a capital crime, when all I had done was repeat their argument."

The first person you attacked was the person you just addressed, .best.guy.ever who said "learn PROPER English."
I defended him by now explaining, for the third? time, that he didn't mean it literally. Nor did I! We are not talking about punctuation, or the areas you felt a need to critique. He was stating that if you live in a country you should speak the language.
You chose to rant, and continued to attack.
Cut the crap and stick to the topic. No one has asked you to "teach" class. And no one watches every punctuation when stating an opinion; these posts are about "ideas" and "thoughts" and points of view. Your antagonistic jump-in points aren't warranted or needed. Read this thread where you felt it necessary to be condescending, and then let it go!
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 25
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Posted: 5/12/2009 4:50:21 PM
What I said was, I think it smacks of elitism to demand that those who come to America learn English according to some nonexistent standard.

IF a person is hired to work in a predominantly English-speaking environment, then that person should be able to adequately converse in that language. I have no problem with that.

Frustration is often the result of miscommunication, regardless of the language spoken--or not. How often have you had an argument with someone in English where they misquoted you? Ever had to repeat yourself in English to another English speaker until they understood your point? Even native English speakers have problems with the language. Read the boards--notice how many people don't know the difference between 'then' and 'than', 'affect' and 'effect' for two examples.

How easy it is to blame the person who doesn't speak English fluently, when a little patience and an open mind could establish a bridge where a barrier now exists.

As I said, I've learned several phrases in a few different languages--didn't hurt, and it opens my world a bit more. Lucky me!
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