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 Mr. Blblblbl
Joined: 12/31/2008
Msg: 2
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I came here to get the skuttle butt about the Riders....and no one has brought it up.

The Saskatchewan forums are pretty much on life support right now.

There are a lot of changes on the team. Until we get some more reports out of training camp, the pulse of the team isn't really known at this time. There was a lot of excitement about Clermont coming in, but with losing half our linebackers coupled with losing our defensive genius... well, there's a lot of people holding their breath right now. Not that there's anything wrong with Etcheverry... he did pretty good when he was here the last time. But he was working with Richie then too. I'll be interested to see what Denetay Heard does this year. I remember hearing his name mentioned all through training camp and the pre-season and then he never made the team. I think he may be the reason they let Jones go in pursuit of another backup qb.

The key this year is going to be maintaining a solid offensive line to protect whichever qb starts so that they can get the ball to all of their weapons. I mean we've got what... Clermont and Fantuz in the middle with Dressler as a deep threat? I'm sure he'll be even more explosive this year than he was last. He was only supposed to be a back-up last year and probably didn't train as hard. Getzlaf will likely see more playing time as well. There are a lot of WR's for them to choose from. But again, it's going to take a few reports out of training camp to get an accurate gauge of who's going to replace the likes Flick and Dominguez.

One thing I'm anticipating soon, however, is that Szarka will be gone. Whether he's cut or traded, I don't know. He hasn't seen many touches since 2007. That won't feel too good as he's a pretty well respected player. Much like the Dominguez situation. I wish he'd just hang 'em up and come on as a receivers coach. He's got to realize his health is more important than trying to prolong his playing career. He has so much to offer in a capacity that won't result in him being confined to a wheel chair by age 45.

But we've got Hughes, Foord, and Cates in the backfield. With the way the 2 Regina boys stepped up last year, that'll take a load off of Cates and hopefully will result in him staying healthy for the entire season.

Overall I think there's an equal amount of apprehension as there is anticipation. Nobody really knows what to expect. I get the impression that we're going to have a much better team than most people think, but it's going to be a lot of young inexperienced guys. They're going to rely heavily on the guidance of guys like Davis, Clermont, Makowsky, and O'Day.
 crazyindian69
Joined: 1/20/2006
Msg: 3
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Posted: 6/14/2009 11:32:28 PM
Saskatchewan Roughriders are in a building mode this year. They dumped the senior talent and lost the GM.
 EhV8R
Joined: 5/30/2009
Msg: 4
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Posted: 6/19/2009 1:12:09 AM
Well, the defence is rebuilding for sure. I know the Edmonton game was pre-season, but our D was just carved into pieces. If the D cannot handle things, the offence is gonna have to score, and often to keep things close.

The first couple of games ought to give us an indication where the season is going to go.
 a_little_nervous
Joined: 2/26/2007
Msg: 6
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Posted: 6/20/2009 9:43:36 PM
Well, one thing that's for sure is that we've got a great receiving core. Perhaps the best non-import receiving core in the league! Can the QB get the ball to them, and can the D keep us in the game like they have the last few years? Those are big questions...

Time will tell, preseason means nothing. I'll be watching carefully. :)
 EhV8R
Joined: 5/30/2009
Msg: 7
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Posted: 6/20/2009 10:45:52 PM
Well, I am starting to wonder about QB. I know it was pre-season, but Durant didn't exactly have a great game, either under or overthrowing receivers. Jyles seemed to have his head on straight and played well in relief. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jyles start against the Stamps this week.

I'm really not worried that much about the offence, it's the defense I am really worried about. Again, pre-season, but still, there has to be some concern. Maybe just guys not knowing their spots right now, who knows........but they will have their hands full against guys like Copeland and Rambo.

Bomber fans can cheer all they want....they will not be a factor at all in the east. I just hope that their coach is wearing a cup when he comes to Regina on Labour Day this year!
 a_little_nervous
Joined: 2/26/2007
Msg: 8
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Posted: 6/20/2009 11:07:21 PM
Don't stress preseason... half of those guys won't make the team. And of the ones that do, many won't see game action except in special teams.

Preseason is all about evaluation. Had they just played starters and won the game, it wouldn't have proved anything.

If they're still playing crappy 4 games into the regular season, that's cause for concern!
 EhV8R
Joined: 5/30/2009
Msg: 9
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Posted: 6/21/2009 6:08:44 PM
Yeah, that's the stance I am taking too. If we bomb the first 4 games straight, then we have a problem.
 Mr. Blblblbl
Joined: 12/31/2008
Msg: 10
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Posted: 6/22/2009 8:29:31 PM
The last time the Riders won both their pre-season games, I believe they finished with a 9-9 record. 2007 they had a 1-1 pre-season.

What was the difference? Barrett was giving the starters most the reps where-as the following year Austin was auditioning guys to see who was going to make the team.

I agree... pre-season is your chance to see who's going to make the team. There's no need to push the panic button. They didn't have Durant on with the #1 offence, but Jyles had them for the majority of his reps. They're doing a good job of splitting it up so starters and rookies all get a chance to get game experience with each other.

There is a certain degree of rebuilding going on, but there is still a lot of talent on the team. I don't know that there's much to worry about just yet.
 Mr. Blblblbl
Joined: 12/31/2008
Msg: 12
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Posted: 6/23/2009 7:08:56 PM
When it first happened, I think a lot of people were concerned. However, if I've heard correctly, Tillman is still helping Miller make a lot of the decisions. He hasn't had a trial yet so he's still out and able to collaborate. I think Miller is also getting a lot of help from Alex Smith.

Richie I'm sure will be missed, but I'm sure he'll be back some day. In some ways I'm glad he went somewhere else to have his first head coaching gig. Look what happened to Ron Lancaster. I'd rather we get Richie back when he's a winning head coach than drive him out too early tand watch him win Grey Cup after Grey Cup with someone else when he's in the prime of his head coaching career. He can come back here and win them with us.

Of course there are concerns this year. But there have been ever since Kent Austin left. I think we've got a good team, what we need to see is who's going to take over the leadership role(s). If our leaders step up, I think we'll do all right. The beauty of pre-season is that everyone has a chance to win the Cup right now.
 EhV8R
Joined: 5/30/2009
Msg: 13
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Posted: 6/23/2009 8:36:37 PM
Ah, I think the stuff with Tillman is moot right now. He's not been proven guilty....yet (not saying he is or isn't), but at least he still is working in some capacity with the riders.

Losing Ritchie Hall was both bad and good. Bad as we lost a great defensive coach, but good for his career as he has deserved a shot like this for years. I am also glad it is not with the Riders though. Doesn't mean I think he would have been a bad coach here, but Edmonton presents a good challenge for ritchie as there are many proven players there....it will be interesting to see what he does.
 Mr. Blblblbl
Joined: 12/31/2008
Msg: 15
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Posted: 7/5/2009 10:40:27 PM

So no one has ANYTHING to say about a very important and decisive win??

Didn't seem very decisive. We're not going to be able to continue to play like that and expect to win games. We're just lucky that B.C. was equally inept.

What did you see good ?

We didn't lose half of our receiving corps in the first half of play.

What did you see bad?

Durant was making some extremely bad reads for a guy who demanded to be starter last year. Belton Johnson went down. Didn't check to see what his status is yet.

What looks promising?

Defence looked better than I think most people expected. Offence actually wasn't that bad except that it reminded me too much of the 90's, in particular drive that went 70 or 80 yards to end in a goal line interception. I was half expecting to see Slack, Mason, or Jones on Durant's jersey.

I did like how Durant got that one ball out of bounds when there was no play to be made. Now he just needs to read defences better so he's not throwing as many picks. I think there's hope for these guys. They're not quite where they need to be, but it's early in the season. Hopefully the story won't be the same mid-season, or playoff time.

I guess overall they did better than most people expected. I think there was a lot of concern that the team wouldn't go anywhere this year. They've at least shown some signs that there's no need to write them off just yet. That said, I don't think B.C. is all the tough of an opponent this season. These past two years are the first time in a long time where Buono hasn't had a star-studded line-up of qb's in his arsenal. He isn't quite the same coach when he's only got mediocre passers. Pierce is good, but he's nowhere near the talent****nson, Garcia, or Flutie ever were.
 a_little_nervous
Joined: 2/26/2007
Msg: 16
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Posted: 7/6/2009 5:11:36 PM
The Bad:

Durant looked terrible. 3 picks and a fumble? *wince* I'm not going to say much more about him until week 3. But if things don't improve, we're done for.

BC are the weak sisters of the west. If we played montreal, calgary, edmonton, or even toronto (who look much better this year) we'd have had our helmets handed to us.

I actually think BC should have beaten us, had the receiver caught that ball with 2 minutes left, they would have.

The Good:

I don't know if this qualifies... Our defensive front looked really strong. Is that an indication that they are really strong, or just that BC's O line has to get together after the loss of some of their starters (murphy) from last year? Time will tell, but at least it was positive.

Also, Dressler and Fantuz looked good. We'll need them to be (if Durant can get the ball within catching distance)...

Promising:

In true rider fashion, the most promising things to happen to our team are due to opposing team's injuries. With Lumsden and Geroy Simon both out, we could end up second in the west - provided Durant pulls himself together.
 a_little_nervous
Joined: 2/26/2007
Msg: 17
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Posted: 7/7/2009 2:53:37 PM
ian smart also went down... that injury looks bad for BC.
 Mr. Blblblbl
Joined: 12/31/2008
Msg: 18
Its Football Season
Posted: 7/9/2009 9:36:11 PM
Geez... with the way Edmonton played tonight, I'm wondering if the East is going to be the powerhouse this year where we end up with only 2 West teams in the playoffs. I wish I had seen the whole game to see just how bad they were, but I only caught the fourth quarter. I suppose every team has at least one bad game like that each season. I remember the years when our bad games were against Hamilton and Winnipeg when they were cellar dwellers incapable of winning even a third of their games. 2 of their 4 wins in a season would be against us.

Hopefully the Riders can pull one off on Saturday. I know defence has been pretty solid so far, but I'm kinda surprised they haven't gone after getting Reggie Hunt back yet after he was released. Or Armstrong for that matter. With as crappy as Edmonton receivers appeared to be tonight, I wouldn't be surprised to see them snag up Armstrong quickly. But if the Riders have any cap space left to play with, I can't see them not pursuing Hunt before he signs elsewhere. I'm sure BC will be in the thick of that hunt (pardon the pun) as having Aaron there would be a big incentive as well.
 a_little_nervous
Joined: 2/26/2007
Msg: 19
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Posted: 7/9/2009 9:56:51 PM
Armstrong was taking a shot to his knee before games for each of the past two seasons. He's damaged goods, and the attitude doesn't help his case.

Yeah, I agree, Hunt will probably end up in bc. Besides, we need O Line help now, not defensive help...
 Mr. Blblblbl
Joined: 12/31/2008
Msg: 21
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Posted: 7/12/2009 2:12:30 PM
Yeah... I think the Riders showed what they're made of Saturday. It's nice to see them clicking in all 3 phases of the game. I hope Clermont's injury doesn't keep him sidelined for too long. I'm hoping to be at the game next weekend. Sure would like to see him out on the field.

Durant looks like he did some learning after game 1. That was just a brutal game all around. It's good to see that it was (hopefully) a one time thing. I'm sure we'll have one bad game this season where we get our asses handed to us, but I think I have a little more confidence in the team after watching their performance against the Argos.

The Als will be a tougher test, though. I'm still not 100% what to expect in that game. The Riders seem to do good against the Als at home. But then again, the Als don't have Armstead around anymore to hand the ball over to us in the 4th quarter.

Losing Frazier sucks, but I think the team proved last year that they've got depth. I mean just look at the O-line. Makowsky is out and how much pressure has Durant really been under? We've got a lot of good, well-coached players. Sure the young guys are bound to make mistakes, but they've done a very good job at minimizing them. They're also playing a fairly disciplined game too.

But it's good to see "Frank" back in Calgary. Watching him the last 2 games has reminded me of his time here in Riderville. I remember the one guy sitting beside me at one of the games years ago joking, "We should send Burris to Iraq! He'd have no problems overthrowing Hussein!"
 a_little_nervous
Joined: 2/26/2007
Msg: 25
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Posted: 8/10/2009 7:16:00 PM
Brutal, as we should have expected. It was so bad it reminded me of the Ray Jauch, Jim Daley, and Cal Murphy years... and those were some pretty dark times.

Sign a big name like Clermont, and then have him sit on 60% of the plays. When he is out there, only throw him 3 balls a game. I have to question that.

Also, we're "developing" a quarterback. What happened to all the other quarterbacks we developed over the years? Oh, right, Glen, Crandel, and all the rest are gone now. Where will Durant be in a few years? Traded for someone else and released by the team we traded him to, that's where.

Even Joseph, a decent enough quarterback (who isn't worth the money he's being paid, but is a solid enough guy), is stuck behind a porous O line and a terrible system. Had we stuck with him (and had he accepted a reasonable paycheck for his skills) we'd be competitive right now... Oh, well.

Management has commitment issues, and it's the fans who pay the price. I guess management wants to look like they're trying by playing musical chairs at the most important position year after year... Perhaps we'll actually develop a quarterback this time, and stick with him long term... Perhaps not.

I wonder what Ray Jauch's kid is doing now? Perhaps we should invite him back to play quarterback again?

Interestingly, our 5th string quarterback may be starting next year, this new kid from the states... He's the biggest coup since Honduras.
 a_little_nervous
Joined: 2/26/2007
Msg: 28
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Posted: 8/19/2009 3:43:28 PM
Burris, Glen and Joseph are all better than Durant is right now. What I meant to suggest is that we develop starting QBs, then move them out of the province when they want starting QB salaries.

However, in another year or two Durant will be solid. Perhaps very solid. Of course, that's when we'll be wanting to groom that new kid from the states. He'll be a starter in 2-3 years, so I don't know what the Riders are thinking right now... develop Durant, trade him, have the new yank start, then try to sign someone from the free market when the kid goes back south to break the NFL?

Whatever. We've still got a winning record. However, the first few wins we really only were consistently lucky. They looked brutal in those first few games - we only won by sheer fluke. Lately the turnovers have slowed down and we've been forced to actually try to outplay teams, and our inconsistencies are left out in the open... we look bad.

Stick with Durant seems to be the plan, and if they're honestly wanting to develop him into a starter it is a good one. They just can't lose their nerve when the losses pile up. Perhaps we'll not only develop a QB this time, but we'll keep him here once he's a starter! That would be a shocker.

Good news is that the D is very solid, as always. And we've still got fantastic recievers, Cates (who I still like, he's been nursing an injury this year - which explains his production so far), and the O line will get healthier in the next few weeks... Let's see how Durant can learn in that time...
 That Guy Him
Joined: 8/5/2009
Msg: 30
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Posted: 8/19/2009 7:26:07 PM
Durant needs to continue playing like he did last weekend. I said it time and time again... it was his legs that won him games last year. This year? Up until last weekend it's been bland old Barrett-style. Offensive play 1... hand off to Wes Cates. Offensive play 2... Option a) sit in the pocket and hope someone gets open, Option b) sit in the pocket until the defenders get past the offensive line and sack you. Makes it easy on the linebackers knowing all they have to do is drop back in coverage as soon as Cates empties out of the backfield. Last game, Darien actually did some scrambling and picked up some first downs with his legs when nothing opened up. That's what led to his success last year in all the games he won. No more hanging out in the pocket. He needs to keep scrambling. That's a huge part of his game.

Seriously, I don't know what was up with LaPolice neither. With all the offensive weapons they've got, and it took him until week 7 to start playing some reverses and misdirection? I don't know if he was trying to save some of that stuff for the playoffs, but obviously he finally realized that it doesn't matter what kind of plays you've got hidden up your sleeve if you never make it to the big game to use them. But the first few games of the season weren't just unsuccessful, but it was relatively boring football to watch. I don't care if they managed to scrape out 3 wins, the only reason they were exciting is becuase the other teams made them a lot closer than they should have been.

And yeah... special teams had better get their act together. I thought that's why Kavis Reed came in here, to help us improve on that. I only see us going backwards. Granted we lost our special teams demon Kitwana Jones, but there are plenty enough good players on the team to step up. They're just not filling the right gaps, nor do they have good blocking schemes for our own returners. We haven't had a good return game since 2005, even though Dressler had a little bit of success last year.

At least Clermont seems to finally be getting some balls thrown his way. That's going to make a huge difference in getting our wide receivers open if he starts contributing on a consistent basis. But again... it all starts with Durant keeping the linebackers guessing, opening up the middle a bit for Clermont to get open. We'll see if he can do that against Montreal. They've got some game film now that they can watch to see where he can sneak through the line if there's nothing down the field.

And where the hell is Reggie? If he's not going to sign with BC, what's taking them so long to get him here? I know our linebackers aren't the weakest part of the team, but it wouldn't hurt to strengthen that line of defense.
 a_little_nervous
Joined: 2/26/2007
Msg: 32
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Posted: 8/30/2009 8:13:47 AM
There's so many problems here I don't know where to start...

perhaps I won't say anything this time. Best not to. I'll give them two games after the break before I start to give up on the season. Doesn't look like we'll be playoff bound, unless we can somehow cross over... and with Hamilton playing well and Winnipeg playing 500 ball we won't be able to do that. :(
 That Guy Him
Joined: 8/5/2009
Msg: 34
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Posted: 9/2/2009 8:27:53 PM
I think the first thing the Riders need to do is get rid of Miller. Can you believe this?

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/sports/Roughriders+meet+with+Matt+Dominguez+Reggie+Hunt/1952344/story.html

Basically he tells one of the best linebackers this team has had (in recent years if not team history), "... we're going to go right now with the people we have. We’ve had the injuries, but we’ve had some young players who have stepped in." Ummm... retard? What happens if the people we have right now get injured too? Well obviously we're not going to get a proven vet now.

"We’re playing pretty well on defence and the guys who are backing up right now are pretty instrumental in our kicking game." If we aren't already, we've got to be close to last on return yards, and first on most yards allowed on special teams. Oh yeah... bringing in Hunt is really going to kill our kicking game. What, we'll have average returns of 4 yards per kick instead of 5, and give up 1 touchdown per game covering returns instead of just 1 every 2 games?

Oh but wait! Now we've got Armstead! Hurray! Isn't he the same guy that couldn't wait to get out of Saskatchewan? Was last year his audition for the green and white when he muffed two kick offs as a member of the Als that lead to a dramatic Riders' comeback? What good will it do to have him? Dressler is a speedy returner too. The problem isn't with the returner, it's with the blocking schemes. The only thing speed does is gets you to an unblocked defender faster.

When Tillman hired Miller, I thought, "Ok, give the guy a chance. We'll see what he can do." Well, I think he's had his chance. He is not a head coach. He is useless. We're going to be as inept as we were in the 90's if we don't get rid of him soon. Nobody is going to want to play here.
 That Guy Him
Joined: 8/5/2009
Msg: 36
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Posted: 9/9/2009 6:12:12 PM

I agree that the organization should have promoted Richie instead...but that might have been a year too early.

That I agree with. Hall needs a chance to get run out of another town for making rookie head coaching mistakes. We've learned that lesson with Ron Lancaster. In 5 - 10 years, we can bring Richie back so that he doesn't have to feel the wrath of being booed out of Riderville.

But Miller... I'm sorry. There are always coaches to be found. He may not have done squat with the Ti Cats, but Charlie Taaffe comes to mind. We've got a better team than he had in Hamilton, and I think here he would have had the same kind of success he enjoyed in Montréal. Miller is an X's and O's guy. He knows the game, but he's not inspiring. That's what you need from your head coach.

Don't get me wrong. I like the guy and all, but just not as a head coach. It'd be no different than if they put Stevie Baggs in at quarterback. Put the puzzle pieces where they belong. Get him back working with LaPolice on the offense.
 That Guy Him
Joined: 8/5/2009
Msg: 38
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Posted: 9/9/2009 10:40:12 PM

I recall when the Riders were called the "cardiac kids" for all their late come back wins...

Yeah... they were a bit notorious for that during the Barrett years. Unfortunately they weren't successful quite enough. I wish I could remember all the details of the "cardiac kid" game, I think it was 1996. They were down by like 16 or something with less than 3 minutes left, against the Eskimos. All the part time fans were headed for the exits or already out in the parking lot. The Riders scored a quick touchdown, and on the ensuing kickoff recovered the onside kick. They marched down the field and scored another touchdown. The next kick off they tried an onside kick again, but Edmonton recovered. The defense stood their ground, and with under a minute remaining, Edmonton had to punt. Now some of those details may be slightly off. But what I do remember is on that punt, Darren Joseph returned it, with no flags on the play, all the way to the south endzone for the game winning touchdown. I remember laughing at all the fools who missed it, watching them try to scramble back in through the gate in the endzone to see what everyone was cheering about.

But yes... third quarters have been brutal for us this year.

I missed it earlier, but saw tonight that the Eskimos released Kitwana Jones. And it looks like the Riders already had his ticket back to Regina paid for and ready before he even left Commonwealth Stadium. That should give us a little added boost on special teams, and fill the void made by making sure Hunt doesn't ever come back,

But yeah... the team is playing just well enough to keep Miller's job safe for the time being. We're in a three-way tie for top spot in the Western Division... still have a shot at a third straight home playoff game.

Now all we need is the Tillman thing sorted out so we can figure out if we've got a GM or not. They should hurry up with that. They waited long enough to press charges. They obviously have evidence and a case. Screw all the WITHOUT PREJUDICE bullshit correspondence that the lawyers are using to screw everybody out of their life savings and just get on with it. Guilty or not guilty, I don't care. Let's just get that chapter done and over with so we can move on.
 That Guy Him
Joined: 8/5/2009
Msg: 40
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Posted: 9/14/2009 5:37:42 PM
GET RID OF MILLER ALREADY!!! How many games does he have to cost us before we do something about his ineptitude?



Well, we still suck ass on special teams (I guess Jones didn't make it for this game), but the team played well. Then again, it was only Winnipeg. If they had a quarterback, I don't think it would have been such a lopsided victory. We'll see what we can do against Edmonton. Not like they're an elite team, but they should provide us a bit more of a challenge. We have yet to beat them this year (losing in both the regular and pre-season games).

I guess it'll depend on the third quarter. Is that monkey finally off our back for the rest of the season? 16 - 0 for us in the third quarter in that game. That's a trend we need to keep going.

You didn't happen to attend the game, did ya tempt? Looked like a great atmosphere... for inbred banjo pickin' rednecks.
 That Guy Him
Joined: 8/5/2009
Msg: 42
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Posted: 9/16/2009 6:04:49 PM

A Rider fan was being interviewed after the game on his way to the parking lot....he was asked what he thought about the lopsided victory. Instead of gloating, and boasting and criticizing he said " it must have been tough for the Bomber fans to watch this . But the Bombers are where we were 3 years ago. But we got our way out of it and so will the Bombers!"

He did what? Does he know what he's set in motion now? I remember Grey Cup '97, hanging out at the Howard Johnson in Edmonton the night before the game. That Ti Cat fan that's at every Grey Cup, the one with the fur coat... he came to the Rider party. The Ti Cats did pretty shitty that year, and I echoed similar sentiments to that fellow (except that the Riders didn't suck three years eariler, they had sucked for the last 3 years and then some), and look what happened! Following year the Cats are in the Grey Cup, and they win it the year after. So now the Bombers are gonna win in '11. Ah well... I guess now that the Riders have that monkey off their back, Winnipeg is currently the team with the longest drought.

But yeah... Rider fans have been through the worst of times, and most of us don't really wish that on anybody, not even Argo fans. But it happens to every team I guess. It just happens to last longer for the Riders than it does for anybody else.
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