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 SAguy_06
Joined: 12/29/2005
Msg: 1
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Shaq headed to Cleavland in a trade deal...Kobe has his ring without Shaq.

Lebron wont be able to say that for a couple of years...If cleavland win this next year, everbody is going to say it was cuz of shaq.

No Lebron your not the Greatest ...yet
 ratherBgolfing
Joined: 8/10/2008
Msg: 2
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 6/25/2009 4:59:32 AM
LeBron IS the greatest player in the game today. It's just that Cleveland is not the greatest TEAM. It really makes me laugh how Kobe always had that hanging over his head.... that until he won one without Shaq, he was somehow "not that great". Now people are saying the same about LeBron. Strange... here I thought basketball was a team game. Silly me.
 doink 1962
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 3
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 6/25/2009 9:27:50 AM
Seriously this is just such a silly arguement! There is no point to it at all!
 slow_hand_001
Joined: 8/28/2006
Msg: 4
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 6/25/2009 3:19:47 PM

LeBron IS the greatest player in the game today
.....NO. Lebron is all brute and no finesse. Kobe is by far a better player. Consider thre point shooting, free throw shooting rebounds and assists and Lebron does not even come close to Kobe.
 Ezzee
Joined: 7/26/2004
Msg: 5
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 6/25/2009 4:09:29 PM
How does one even consider greatest player without bringing up Michael Jordan?
 katiebray
Joined: 1/6/2009
Msg: 6
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 6/25/2009 8:21:23 PM
Im pissed! Im from OHIO and I can not believe they would want, stand there and do nothing. He will be in the way and moves as fast as someone in a nursing home, with a broken hip. We have Z! Now we have to wait another year...he will probably have to retire this year, cause he gets to hurt. Why? I just dont get what they were thinking.
 katiebray
Joined: 1/6/2009
Msg: 7
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 6/25/2009 8:22:08 PM
are you blind! he just has a better team
 enjoy_music
Joined: 2/26/2009
Msg: 8
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 6/26/2009 8:08:26 AM
Unfortunately for the Cavs - the center issue was no the problem. They are undersized across the board. They ran a 3 man center against the Magic and still had no hope.

Does Shaq bring a lot to the table? Yes, but he is not the Shaq from his championship years.

As soon as Cleveland made this trade, the Magic made an even better one by adding Vince Carter.

If they keep Hedo..starting 5

Hedo, Lewis, Carter, Nelson, Howard

good luck Cleveland - you'll need it
 BringingYouBliss
Joined: 5/8/2009
Msg: 9
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 6/26/2009 3:43:27 PM
The trade for Shaq was a good move to fill the stands, but it will not win Cleveland a championship and it will not keep Lebron in Cleveland after next season. Lebron is the most talented player in the game today, but one player doesn't equal championships. We all know that it takes at least 2 great players if not more. When Cleveland drafted Lebron, they were so caught up in the hype about how good he was going to be that they didn't realize that they could have accomplished what everyone is going to try and accomplish next season. They could have come away from that draft with James, Bosh, and Wade instead of banking on Carlos Boozer, Darius Miles, Jeff McGinnis, and Ricky Davis. I can't believe that everyone still buys into the Shaq hype. He's way past his prime and can't contribute in the post season like Cleveland is hoping for.
 SteelCity1981
Joined: 8/16/2005
Msg: 10
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Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 6/27/2009 2:16:41 AM
Shaq won't be much help where the Cavs truly need it which is outside of the perimeter. Like others have said Shaq is in his twilight years. He isn't going to be a big help overall. This is just more publicity for the Cavs then anything that's going to truly help them win a championship.
 friends4n0w
Joined: 7/2/2008
Msg: 11
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 6/27/2009 2:05:14 PM
Shaq will ease the pressure on Lebron, teams will still have to account for Shaq. Lebron is amazing in that he is only what....24 years old? His athletic ability and body control betray his age. He is the best I've seen at that age, not saying he is among the greatest yet, but he is amazing even at 24. Kobe wasn't fully the player we know today at the age of 24. Shaq can do for him, what he did for Wade in Miami.

Steelecity what's up brother...hope all is well.
 YoungnCourious
Joined: 8/31/2008
Msg: 12
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 6/28/2009 11:56:40 AM
Shaqu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!For Sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 itsmillertime6227
Joined: 9/19/2008
Msg: 13
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 6/28/2009 9:52:02 PM
.....NO. Lebron is all brute and no finesse. Kobe is by far a better player. Consider thre point shooting, free throw shooting rebounds and assists and Lebron does not even come close to Kobe


Kobe only has lebron on free throw shooting (85% vs 78%) and three point percentage (35% vs 34%). Other than that LeBron avg more points per game (28.4 vs 26.8), more assists (7.2 vs 4.9), more steals (1.69 vs 1.46), and more rebounds (7.6 vs 5.2). And he averaged over a block per game while kobe averaged half a block.

If you're paying attention, he's nearly averaging a triple-double a game...

However, Kobe has more rings (4 vs 0)...but he was/is on a better team and had good players around him. Lebron has nothing, unless you count Mo Williams (and he's not exactly Shaq or Gasol or Odom). You replace Kobe with Lebron on any of the Lakers championship teams he would have won just as many or more than Kobe.

Lebron is the best player in the game now.
 itsmillertime6227
Joined: 9/19/2008
Msg: 14
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 6/28/2009 10:01:15 PM
Also Lebron has better stats than Kobe in his career averages other than the free throw percentage (L-74% vs K-84%) and 3 point percentage (33% vs 34%).

Lebron has evertyhing else:
FG% (47% vs 45%)
Points per game (27.5 vs 25.1)
Assists per game (6.7 vs 4.6)
steals per game (1.76 vs 1.52)
rebounds pg (7.0 vs 5.3)
blocks pg (.86 vs .57)

The numbers don't lie...Lebron is better.
 david46
Joined: 10/22/2008
Msg: 15
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 6/29/2009 6:39:47 AM
The Cavs will be without Lebron or Shaq after next season win or lose
 batdann
Joined: 10/18/2008
Msg: 16
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 6/29/2009 9:06:17 PM
have u seen Lenron play??No don't shaq is a superman especially when close to the rim,we can't take that away but man can Lebron ever thread the needle, pass dunk, assist bring his team to anotha level ahhhh Jordan esq.....
 natedredd08
Joined: 10/1/2008
Msg: 17
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 6/29/2009 11:23:45 PM
I'm not even a big basketball fan but comeon, Lebron is the biggest freak ever in sports..
Guys Lebron's age now find money/fame and mentally fall apart...Let alone throw a highschool kid on the cover of SI, hype him to death then he does exactly what he was expected to do a few short years later without missing a beat..He just has to go through the motions to become the greatest ever...its actually bizarre.
 gueeds
Joined: 2/23/2007
Msg: 18
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 6/30/2009 3:33:58 PM
LeBron is still amazing. His supporting cast has never been that great, Shaq will help out a bit. If they could get another legit shooting threat then he's got a chance to win it. He's done some amazing things and has nearly carried the team the past few years.
 david46
Joined: 10/22/2008
Msg: 19
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 6/30/2009 5:04:12 PM
Lebron would look pretty sweet in a Pistons Uni!!!!!!!
 marathonman11x7
Joined: 4/29/2005
Msg: 20
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 7/1/2009 8:11:35 PM
Actually Lebron is the greatest sf in the history of the game right now. He most likely will continue to improve. Prior to this season I would have given an edge to Larry Bird as the best SF ever. This past season, especially in the playoffs, Lebron showed that he has surpassed Larry Bird, Dr. J, Elgin Baylor, Dominique Wilkins and Scottie Pippen all of whom I'd put in the top 10 greatest SF's in NBA history.

Shaq is past his prime, if Clevland wins a championship with him it will be because of Lebron and the rest of the TEAM. No player EVER does it alone.

Anyway, the Magic have improved their team also so its not a given that the Cavs will win the east. The Celts also will give both teams a nice run.
On another note....I always said that Steve Nash would never win a championship and was unworthy of each MVP award. Shaq should have won the 1st (2004-5) and Dwayne Wade, Kobe Bryant and Lebron James were all more deserving of the 2005-6 honor. Nash was a super assist man....but he has ALWAYS hurt his team with his poor to medicore defense. MVP awards should never be mainly about offense. Because championships are won with defense or so the saying goes, Nash has never played good defense and his teams have never won a championship. Doesnt look like they ever will. He does have good friends in the referees though. They never call his flops and hacks.
 Truth09
Joined: 2/22/2009
Msg: 21
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 7/2/2009 12:15:31 AM
Lebrons defense sucks
 concity06
Joined: 2/25/2009
Msg: 22
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 7/2/2009 1:09:06 AM
LeBron is the best basketball player in the game today, no doubt about it. Kobe team is just better. If you put Pau Gasol & Bynum on Cleveland, the Cavs would be the NBA Champions. Notice how when Shaq first left the Lakers Kobe and the Lakers failed to make the the playoffs. They traded from Odom and got back to the first round the following year. So people can't just say Kobe's better then LeBron because he won one championship title without Shaq. He didn't do it by himself. If he tried to ball with no teammates, it'll be another no playoff season.
 extrememale2004
Joined: 11/1/2005
Msg: 23
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 7/2/2009 7:15:41 PM
The only way that Lebron can be the greatest if he wins aleast 4 championships and that is when we can say Lebron is the greatest until then we will see how his career turns out.
 badcamaroSS
Joined: 4/26/2009
Msg: 24
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 7/7/2009 9:11:03 PM
I cant wait to see Shaq and LeBron on the same team...Im a huge fan of both...I really think they have a VERY VERY good shot at now winning a title...
 concity06
Joined: 2/25/2009
Msg: 25
Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 7/8/2009 12:46:03 AM
I didn't like that Jordan statement. Remember what Pippen and the Bulls when Jordan left? They struggled to go .500. So don't try say yeah Jordan had great teammates too. Jordan made players around him better, the Bulls sucked when M.J left. He came back and led them to 3 Championships.
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