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 ibakecakes
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"A Mother who has had 13 children is pregnant with her 14th - even though ALL her kids have been taken into care. The woman lives with her partner and claims £1,100 benefits per month.
All 13 of the children were taken into care by social workers who had grave concerns about neglect and "lack of parenting ability" demonstrated by the couple who admitted that in the past they had aggression problems. The couple state that they will keep on getting pregnant until the Social Services let them keep at least one of them."

Do you think that under these cirumstances, Social Services are correct to remove each and every baby this couple have away from them or should they be given a chance to prove they are capable of raising a child?

Is there a real need to use preventative measures on such people to stop them continually having children which are then a tax payers burden. The cost for raising all of these children has already run into millions of pounds. (one of the children has cost £2.3 million in the last 10 years as he has CP and is in specialist foster care)
 badge73
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Wanton neglect or over enthusiastic Social services?
Posted: 7/30/2009 9:53:40 AM
Ewww imagine having to shove your knob into that? Christ talk about needing extra stitching down there!! Lol

o.t shame a court cannot charge them with child abuse or simulier. But why do this country still pay for these idiots, it makes me mad especially when kids on a estate would love a bit of funding for education etc
 electric-gypsy
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Wanton neglect or over enthusiastic Social services?
Posted: 7/30/2009 10:07:27 AM
Yes, Social Services should take each and every child from the couple and stop all their benefits.

But sterilized? Absolutely not. Stop punishing innocent children for being born! Sod the statistics. At least in care, those kids are getting a chance at life - and who's to say how many will become successful adults? History is littered with examples of parental neglect and abuse. How many of us would be here today if any one of our ancestors had been sterilized for poor parenting? None. My great-granddad and granddad were both abusive, drunken redneck brutes to their wives, as well as their children. But my Dad had enough sense to break the cycle and - fair play to him - choose not to be responsible. Granted, he's never been Father Of The Year... but I'm STILL bloody well glad to be alive, and I'm sure the children of the couple in question would say the same.

As for taxpayers shelling out for kids in care, so bl**dy what? Get over it. Few complain about footballers getting millions for doing nothing more than kicking a ball around all day, so maybe our priorities need rethinking. You say "child in care" and everyone sees a price tag. But these are vulnerable people who were robbed of their inalienable rights to a decent childhood and responsible parents, and they deserve all the resources our society can throw at them. What if you had needed to be placed in care as a child? Would you want a bunch of old gas bags bleating on about how much you cost? If those kids are supported properly (whether in care or at home), then (in theory, at least), they'll make valuable contributions as adults - just like we do today.
 pantsonfire
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Wanton neglect or over enthusiastic Social services?
Posted: 7/30/2009 1:46:03 PM
It seems a very similar situation to my neighbour... She lost her youngest child due to a mental health problem she suffered before he was even conceived.. Her two middle children were rightfully removed from her custody but the woman who had the last child was a healthy woman, not the paranoid mental wreck who put her other children at risk..

This woman had her first two children removed by social services and even she admits they were probably right to do so.. However, her situation is totally different now, her relationship is a new (as opposed to the one that produced those first children) one... The only constant seems to be the mother herself...

Perhaps offering her parenting classes.. Insisting upon a high involvement in the child's life... I don't know, what kind of thread would be reading if they did give her a chance and we were reading about it's horrific death and the fact SS left her with this child despite removing 13 others from her??? They can't really win ..


I have to question the thinking behind this woman's repeated pregnancies... After suffering the loss of a number of babies through late miscarriage, I cannot believe anyone with a healthy mindset could ever purposefully put themselves through pregnancy after pregnancy knowing they'd be losing that baby... Something isn't quite normal about someone who is so determined to be a mother that the consequences for the child she produces are secondary to her needs...
 pantsonfire
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Posted: 7/30/2009 2:53:35 PM
Msg 23 ^^ My views pretty much word for word...

A mother would fight for her children... This woman doesn't particularly want her child she wants any child.. The ones she's already had taken into care have been consigned to history already in her mind, they're not worth the fight, it's easier just to get pregnant over and over... That's not a healthy mindset...
 pantsonfire
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Posted: 7/30/2009 3:39:17 PM

How many kids have we got to go through until we are allowed to keep them?'



Taken from message 7's quote from the woman involved...

For that sentence alone I agree with social services decision..!!!
 zerotasker
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Posted: 7/31/2009 3:06:20 AM
The more I read about the problems encountered by Social Services departments all over the country, the more I am convinced that they have a thankless, perhaps hopeless, task.

They seem to be damned if they do, and damned if they don't!

I am so pleased that I am not faced with the decisions that they have to make on a daily basis.

I did discover recently that Essex are recruiting managers from the USA because they cannot get the right quality of manager in the UK - a legacy of the "Baby P" case, no doubt!

In all parts of life, all industries, all workplaces, you will find jobsworths, lazy sods, incompetents, etc. In the areas where childrens' lives depend on, sometimes, instant decisions, I cannot see how anyone can get it right all the time.

I suppose the only thing that we, the general public, can do is insist on adequate funding and adequate quality control with regard to staffing - easier said than done!
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