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 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
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Yeah, I mean the guy was the Environmental Advisor. Hardly comparable to Governor.

Oh, but I forgot. He's probably one of the "Czars" you guys carp about.

Carry on.
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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Posted: 9/6/2009 8:51:48 AM
What is there to comment on?

He resigned.

He apparently doesn't want to report to work anymore.
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
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Posted: 9/6/2009 10:13:21 AM

was suprised to see there was no thread going this morning on the Van Jones resignation... Looks to me like there is almost as much excitement over this as there was when Sarah Palin resigned as Governor of Alaska, yet I don't see a thread on it?

Anyone care to comment?


Um...if Jones resigning was almost as exciting as when Palin quit, there would have been a thread--there wasn't. Wanna know why?

Cuz Jones wasn't the governor of a state who had run for the office of vice president of the United States despite her lack of ability to do the job--and that's why there hasn't been a thread about Jones.

It simply doesn't equate.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 9
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Posted: 9/6/2009 10:30:01 AM
I'm not downplaying his comments. I don't know any of them. And I can't be bothered following your links, because, well...... He's just not interesting or important.

He never held a press conference doing something like decrying Death Panels for instance. He was just a low key guy in a low key post. Now he's just a low key guy.
 BikerBiker53
Joined: 6/11/2005
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Posted: 9/7/2009 8:43:52 AM
I have to say,..

Van Jones,....probably did the right thing,..for the right reason.

You know,...I WONT say I like Van Jones,

But I understand, that in order to get things done,..you have to "Shake Things Up"

Its just that, sometimes,..the things that get shaken up, causes more damage, than good.

Frustration, can be a cause for people to Lash out, and attack what they dont feel is right, or they simply dont understand.

I havent read much material that shows Van Jones in a Positive light,.....that doesnt mean that he isnt, or hasnt been trying to be positive.

Sometimes, people believe,... "The End Justifies The Means"

But what good is there,..when we become the Monster ?

Van Jones has been portrayed as a Monster, a Racist,...and Activist,....

Maybe, even he, has grown tired of the Press.
(But I doubt it)
 BikerBiker53
Joined: 6/11/2005
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Posted: 9/7/2009 1:56:47 PM
Just a snipit,


Van said: "We are not promoting welfare. We are promoting work. ... We are not expanding entitlements. We are expanding enterprise and investment. ... We are not trying to redistribute existing wealth. We are trying to reinvent an existing sector, so that we can create NEW wealth - by unleashing innovation and entrepreneurship. This should be common ground."


Sounds good to me,...

Now,..Lets see it come to fruitation.

If anything goes according to logic,...Van will be "Caught" with his hand in the "Cookie Jar",..and be made out to be the "Bad Guy" afterall.

Regardless,.....thats what useually happens to any successful man of color,..that becomes controversial.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 23
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Posted: 9/7/2009 3:18:17 PM
Thanks for explaining it. Color of Change launched a very successful advertiser boycott of Glen Beck's show because of extremist comments he made.

Glen Beck starts attacking one its founders who works in the West Wing.

Nice to know the righties are as petty and vindictive as ever.
 lateef7842
Joined: 4/14/2008
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Posted: 9/26/2009 4:21:37 PM
The left doesn't find Van Jones offensive because we don't see anything to be offended by. From Beck to Limbaugh and everyone in between, all I've seen is out of text sound bites and video clips cobbled together in a damning way. NO REAL REPORTING. JUST OPINION!

They call him racist because he spoke about policies (that have been documented by the way) that allow pollution in minority neighborhoods but not in white areas. How is that racist? See, that's the new right wing tactic; call the person who speaks about racism a racist. And the partisan masses eat it up.

None of you have any real facts about Jones, just opinion. Show me some real, in depth reporting on Jones and I'll take a look. Until you can do that, you're just repeating talking points because it makes you feel better.

This country is going to hell in a hand basket and this kind of thinking is the main reason why.

Lateef
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 33
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Posted: 9/26/2009 7:20:10 PM
Jack Rice has likened the Right to autistics who, when they become overly stimulated, repeat 'catch phrases' to help them calm themselves.

Example: '...Socialist agenda...Death Panels...Gay marriage...Where's the birth certificate...He's a Muslim...Troops at risk...'

They soothe themselves by repeating the Party Mantra.

'Van Jones is a Communist...Van Jones is a Communist...Van Jones...'
You get Rice's point.
 wisguyingb
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 34
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Posted: 10/23/2009 11:30:17 PM
Annita Dunn could be next after proclaiming that one of her favorite political philosophers is Mao Tse Tung.
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 35
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Posted: 10/25/2009 5:46:07 PM
In the video of a speech to high school graduates earlier this year, Dunn cited Mao's response to skeptics who pointed out that their party was facing steep disadvantages while fighting the Nationalist Chinese: "You fight your war, and I'll fight mine." After asking the audience to "think about that for a second," she said, "You know, you don't have to accept the definition of how to do things, and you don't have to follow other people's choices and paths, OK? It is about your choices and your path." Likewise, Dunn cited Mother Teresa's response to a young person who wanted to work at her orphanage in Calcutta: "Go find your own Calcutta." Dunn then reiterated: "Go find your own Calcutta. Fight your own path. Go find the thing that is unique to you, the challenge that is actually yours, not somebody else's challenge."


Yet another example of Fox swallowers.

Dunn did not claim to worship Mao.
She did state that he was one of her favorite philosophers--along with Mother Theresa.

Anyone with a shred of intellect would read the transcript of what Dunn actually said, before showing their ass on a public forum.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 38
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Posted: 10/26/2009 9:01:12 AM
See: "no true Scotsman"

Hitler had some valid lifestyle habits, btw, like not smoking and being a vegetarian. I'm not sure of the name of the fallacy that would seek to invalidate those traits.
 kabiosile
Joined: 11/3/2005
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Posted: 10/26/2009 9:17:23 AM


Praising a man who killed 70 million people is disgusting.


We have a holiday called Columbus day here where we do exactly that. Though I bet more died because of Columbus than died because of Mao.

If you didnt know many of the communist a group of people from the USA tend to spew hate at, looked up to and modeled themselves after Thomas Jefferson.

That brings us to another group of guys lots of people died because of their thoughts and writings/ ideas / orders.. Our founding fathers... Yet they are praised as heroes.

OT:
I think Van Jones resigning had more to do with the passion he has for what he does as opposed to someone labeling him a communist. I have often been called a communist by people and my response is always the same. I have certainly been erroneously called worse.

Then again maybe I am not as frightened by communists as some people whom still smack of McCarthyism.

I could care less about political affiliations. This is the USA correct?? I believe people are supposed to have the right to what ever political party or ideals they choose. I see absolutely no problem if it was 100% true.

This man cared more about his mission to bring green technology and possitive change to the country than he did about some position. He did not wish to be a distraction to the cause and that is rare these days in Washington.

Funny how, when someone is selfless enough to do something like resign instead of being a distraction to the positive changes they wish to see, some among us whom often claim to not like the people whom spend a lifetime in politics, berate a guy whom cared more for his country than a position.

All of this is merely a distraction. Typical text book Rovian tactics. Kick up a dust storm of personal attacks BS in attempts to appeal to the lynch mob mentality, and pray no one sees you in the background trying fiercely to maintain the status quo so your buddies can continue to get rich off of a real messed up situation that need not be.
 EarlzP
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Posted: 10/26/2009 11:31:12 AM

I did not say or use the word "praising" and I don't think the conservatives would appreciate the word praise either.
What I said is that some conservatives that have used some of his quotes and said that parts of his philosophical ideals did some good for his .
There were some good ideals brought out in Mao's philosophies, especially in regards to women's rights in China during his time. Other than that he was a ruthless murderer.


What does this have to do with Van Jones resigning? So back on topic I heard that maybe he may have resigned because of threats
 EarlzP
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Posted: 10/26/2009 12:50:18 PM

he may have resigned because of threats


The quote above is ON topic


Thats probably true, I heard that Rahm can get pretty nasty and don't forget Obama is a product of the Chicago political machine,,,,


The quote above is OFF topic
 EarlzP
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Posted: 10/26/2009 2:04:22 PM

Van Jones resigned because of the political heat caused by his public outing as a Communist. He left a trail a mile wide of himself professing to be a Communist.

So with a trail a mile wide you can you supply one source that proves your allegation?


He became too much of a political liability to remain as one of Obama's Czars.


Is this your opinion or do you have a source.
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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Posted: 10/26/2009 2:42:06 PM

Presidency - Democrat
House - Democrat Majority
Senate - Democrat Majority

We are at the mercy of the Democrats. They have to votes to pass anything.
Ya ... it's wonderful ... eh?


Looks to me like there is almost as much excitement over this as there was when Sarah Palin resigned as Governor of Alaska, yet I don't see a thread on it?

Anyone care to comment?
Ya ... we just don't care because it's really nothing to give a second thought to ...
 bliss serendipity
Joined: 12/27/2006
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Posted: 10/27/2009 12:28:36 AM

Two years later, Jones launched the Ella Baker Center, an Oakland, Calif., based "strategy and action center" which states that it tries to "promote positive alternatives to violence and incarceration."
And that makes him a communist?

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 kabiosile
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Posted: 10/27/2009 8:53:27 AM
Again can someone show me where it is illegal to be a communist in the USA? Even if it was true it should be of no more concern than someone being a republican. This is a free country last I checked. You are supposed to able to be part of whatever political party you want.
 MrLove45
Joined: 1/31/2010
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Posted: 2/26/2010 7:28:49 PM
beck will do his chicken litte act....

Van Jones? Charlier Rangel?Bahy?you'd think some of these people found a four leaf clover or something...
 kabiosile
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Posted: 3/1/2010 7:42:58 AM
Let's also not forget that a many many capitalists had plenty of their own people slaughtered, maimed and killed in wars so they could get rich. Capitalism is not some holy saint in the world of economic systems.

This is exactly what I am speaking about though..

There seems to be in the minds of many people this us vs them. All or nothing.

It is pure extremism.

Why can they not co-exist side by side. Why must we force an economic system on people at all? Be it capitalist or otherwise. Should the people themselves not be allowed to determine how they wish to do business?

If a person or group of them want to start an all worker owned company meaning when the company profits it gets divided how the workers themselves see fit to vote for. Maybe that means everyone gets paid the same wage, maybe they set up shares, maybe they set up with some getting paid more than others. I see no reason why this cannot operate side by side with the old capitalist model.

This is how I see the future going in general. No need for bloodshed or force. Just use what works best for you and yours.


My whole point in this is should we start making people resign because they may belong to a party some may not agree with? Should we make someone resign for being an extreme right winger since they are trying to do so with the left?

I do not find that very conducive to having a functional anything.

It seems what the right wing McCarthyism that runs rampant in some circles in this country only serves to keep, is the staus quo, and it does so, by breaking down the debate with hard line extremist propaganda.

Some I have met in my country, have a completely narrow and insane childlike view of communism and capitalism.

One thing they do not understand is that Communism need not be run by a state nor forced.

Communism can be as simple as a few people pooling their resources together to better their community. It is not some bad word, nor even the antithesis of capitalism. Many countries have learned to mix the two and even other systems together. Only here in the USA do we stand on the extremism that they are somehow incompatible.

It is people uniting and working together for the betterment of the community instead of only thinking of self advancement. The rest is in how you set into action. It can be a liberating thing or the opposite depending on how it is used.

Now there certainly exist extremists just like on the other side but, as fiddler said so well, just because communism had a Stalin does not mean that this is all communism ever offered to the world.

Just as slavery is not the only thing capitalism offered to the world.


My point in all of this is... Should we start going crazy and demanding people resign just because they belong to a political party we don't agree with??

I can tell you if you think things are broken now, continue with this crazy mindset and the country will come apart, and the world will leave us behind.


This man Van Jones has some great ideas to put America back on track to help do their part to bring the world to a more sustainable place. It would put many of us back to work that lost work due to moving jobs off shore.

The people whom can use that work the most are likely chasing it off afraid of the "red tide."

*Face palm* America is looking like a drunken redneck passed out in it's own puke once again.
 kabiosile
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Posted: 3/1/2010 8:02:28 AM
yeah this was the headline today of democracynow.org



Van Jones to Head Think Tank’s “Green Opportunity Initiative”

And the Center for American Progress has announced former White House green jobs czar Van Jones will head the think tank’s new “Green Opportunity Initiative.” Jones resigned from his White House job five months ago after becoming the target of what he described as a “vicious smear campaign." On Friday, Jones made one of his first public appearances since his resignation. He spoke at the NAACP Image Awards.

Van Jones: “And I know one thing. We have people in every community in America, right now, watching this program, who don’t have jobs, who are suffering, who are afraid, living in economic uncertainty. And I know there’s a future out there for them, where they get a chance to make the products of tomorrow. If we want the jobs of tomorrow, we must make the products of tomorrow. There’s somebody right now who’s in Detroit, and they know how to make cars. There are skilled machinists, but they’re idle. Let them make the wind turbines and the smart batteries and the solar panels to re-empower this country. Let them work. Give them hope. Give them the opportunity.”





If those are the words of a commie then I like that commie. He wants to put people back to work and make things in the USA again. Oh such a bad bad man that one.

 darjeeling
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Posted: 3/6/2010 6:19:45 AM

For those not familiar with the LA riots, people were beaten, and shot at . Among the people being shot at were firemen who were attempting to save lives and buildings in the many fires that were being set by the rioters.
This was no laughing matter to those in the areas or surrounding areas that the riots were taking place in. I should know for the riots did come within about 3 miles of my own home. Luckily the police in our area kept the rioters back. Yet I did have friends who had to flee their homes fearful for their lives. So this is the man who our President wanted as a close advisor. A man who seemily thought the LA rioters were ok in how they handled the situation.


You know, perhaps you should consider checking the original sources (quite easy to do in this case), instead of relying on demagogues who are willing to pervert and distort any little tidbit of information in order to promote their false narratives.

Contrary to your (conveniently unsourced quote from NRO's Jack Dunphy) that Van Jones ... 'clearly reviled in the protests' ...

The 1992 essay that Van Jones had written in the wake of the riots and subsequently reprinted in the Huffington Post was NOT at all an endorsement of any sort of violence (revolutionary or rage fueled) ... actually he said the exact opposite:


Now, I had always dreamed that I would revel in such a riot. But I didn't. I got a safe ride home ... and wept ... Fear embraces fascism. And -- even though police swept up and arrested hundreds of peaceful San Francisco protesters on live TV -- not a peep of protest went up. At least not until we had all tested the neighborhood air for smoke, and checked our tires in the morning.

In the meantime, most of us just retreated peaceably into our homes, glad that our submission was hastening the return of Law and Order ... As instructed, we barred our doors, obeyed the curfew and peered through our TV screens into the hostile night.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/van-jones/15-years-ago-rodney-king-_b_48361.html

Moreover, the Van Jones essay, demagogued and misrepresented by NRO, throwing redmeat to the gullible masses only too wiling to believe in a false narrative (and simultaneously too lazy to check the facts) ... was a blistering critique of the left.

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