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 badge3939
Joined: 8/10/2007
Msg: 1
What is happening with ACORN?Page 1 of 11    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11)
Obama saying that community orgianzations will help Shape his PRESIDENTIAL AGENDA.

Brothel houses with under age girls.
How to cheat on your taxes.

OBAMA CAUGHT SAYING ACORN AND FRIENDS WILL SHAPE HIS PRESIDENTIAL AGENDA

http://www.dipity.com/timeline/Acorn-Housing



The Senate Denies Acron any more money
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27153.html


The Senate dealt a blow to ACORN Monday evening, voting to deny the Department of Housing and Urban Development from granting funds to the community organization.

Nebraska Sen. Mike Johanns’s (R-Neb.) amendment to the appropriations bill providing funding to the department passed in a bipartisan, 83-7 vote.

It’s the latest in a series of recent setbacks for ACORN, which has come under increasing fire from conservative activists and lawmakers. Over the last several weeks, the organization has seen employees in Florida arrested for allegedly taking part in voter registration fraud and has watched as the Census Bureau decide to sever its ties with the group.

And in an embarrassing turn of events, Acorn employees were caught on hidden camera divulging advice to a prostitute and her pimp on how to file tax forms.




I like the law suit idea. Which I think they will not launch.
They wold have to open up their books. Laughs

They are already losing. Why did they fire the employees in the videos?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27139.html

ACORN mulls suit against Fox News


Facing intensifying scrutiny after the release of several disturbing hidden camera videos, the community organizing group, ACORN, is threatening to sue Fox News, the website Breitbart.com and the two conservative activists who produced the exposes.

ACORN is alleging that the filmmakers committed a felony by shooting the footage of ACORN employees in the act of providing advice on how to falsify tax forms and set-up a child prostitution business—to a man and a woman posing as a pimp and a prostitute.

A lawyer for ACORN said Monday that statutes in Maryland and the District of Columbia made the undercover filming illegal and that the same laws should prohibit the rebroadcast of the tapes by the Web site BigGovernment.com, where they were first posted last week, and on Fox News, which aired clips of the videos.


Acorn's Lawyer
http://www.linkedin.com/in/arthurzschwartz
 badge3939
Joined: 8/10/2007
Msg: 2
What is happening with ACORN?
Posted: 9/15/2009 6:12:06 AM
If Obama is responsible for the actions of a rogue worker of a group he did work for 20 years ago


No he not responsible for their actions.
He did say, " They will help him SHAPE HIS PRESIDENTIAL AGENDA."

So the actions of these groups can tarnish his polished image.

Unless having underage girls working in a brothel is even right.
That would be exploiting children.

So how many of these brothels exist? These workers have been doing this all along.

 badge3939
Joined: 8/10/2007
Msg: 3
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Posted: 9/15/2009 11:31:54 AM

Go find an ACORN POLICY written that states it's OK to set up brothels with underage girls.


When you have 3 different ACORN Offices in 3 different states doing it. Then there has to be some sore of information on how to do it, was past on. Either written or oral.

So when this goes to court. That info should be release. Or did they shread(SP) all the evidence.?
 BikerBiker53
Joined: 6/11/2005
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Posted: 9/15/2009 12:13:00 PM
OMG, say it isnt so,...

I've heard so much negitive stuff about ACORN,..that Im going to do a little research myself......


ACORN is alleging that the filmmakers committed a felony by shooting the footage of ACORN employees in the act of providing advice on how to falsify tax forms and set-up a child prostitution business—to a man and a woman posing as a pimp and a prostitute.


Its bad enough, that we have TAX Cheats,...but to me, its even more horriable to have people posing as a pimp and prostitute,..asking for advice,....
"on how to falsify tax forms and set-up a child prostitution business"

What kind of people do that ?

Now,.it used to be,..that If you were minding your own business,..and someone talked you into commiting a crime ,..that was called "Entrapment",....if the person would NOT of otherwise commited such an act.

Now a days it seems that there is no Such thing as "Entrapment",....which is what it looks like they tried to do against ACORN.

Wether I like ACORN, or NOT,...does NOT give me the right, to try and Lure them into commiting a criminal act.....and just because ONE,....Tax Consultant working for ACORN commits an unjust act, or unlawfull act,...doesnt mean the entire group of ACORN members are criminals.

I'll have to read more,..and digest, what my feeling are about ACORN really are.
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 5
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Posted: 9/15/2009 4:37:10 PM
Yep, a particular group of ACORN workers were fired for good reason.
Has anyone posted about the ACORN workers who sent the 'undercover' team away?
Or the ACORN workers who called the police on 'Get Smart and 99' when they attempted to 'catch' the ACORN employees doing something illegal?

No?

Huh.

Big surprise, that.
 Ready4SomethingFun
Joined: 3/17/2008
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Posted: 9/15/2009 6:04:25 PM
Supposedly a second tape is going to be released tonight and then a third tomorrow . The people responsible say these will be bigger than the previous one.
 badge3939
Joined: 8/10/2007
Msg: 7
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Posted: 9/15/2009 6:09:27 PM
the 4th tape was today.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,550562,00.html
Fourth Videotape Reveals ACORN Advising 'Pimp,' 'Prostitute' in California

The worker was an escort before. She even could have killed her husband about 10 years ago. Said she did in the video. There is no proof yet if your husband was killed. No conformation if he is dead. Even if she was married.

Sure wold like someone to ask Obama what he thinks on this?

Remember HIS PRESIDENTIAL AGENDA is being set by community organizers.
Refer back to OP for link.


They have to try and claim the tapes are doctored. If they didn't they would have no leg to stand on.

Also the claims that the 2 were thrown out of some offices. Could be true or false.

So they fired some workers in the tapes. Now they are trying to defend them also.

You don't fire people then try to defend them. You suspend them until the matter is resolved.
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 8
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Posted: 9/15/2009 7:55:10 PM
For crap's sake--if ACORN did something illegal, they SHOULD be punished for it.
That's a no-brainer.

However, don't paint the entire organization because of the actions of a few, and give credit to those ACORN workers who were legally/morally upright.

Or...does that mess too much with the 'they're all bad guys' routine some have going on?
 Ready4SomethingFun
Joined: 3/17/2008
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:01:41 PM
I guess that was a fourth tape tonight and a fifth tomorrow! Oops.
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 10
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:50:37 PM
Who is claiming that Obama is clueless?

I have absolutely NO control over the actions of my friends/family/associates.
Neither does Obama over his.

Does anyone really (really) believe that Obama sanctions the actions of those ACORN members who were apparently caught red-handed?

Do you suppose those close to Clinton sanctioned his behavior with Monica Lewinski?
Do you believe that Laura Bush was in favor of everything her husband perpetrated?

Of course not.

Is it the right or fair thing to do, to judge Obama by what ACORN may or may not have done?

Rhetorical, I guess--those who hate him will say 'yes'.
 Ready4SomethingFun
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Posted: 9/15/2009 9:51:54 PM

Is it the right or fair thing to do, to judge Obama by what ACORN may or may not have done?


Exactly how many of Obama's "friends/family/associates" is it going to take to make some realise he pretty much surrounded himself with scum? When is enough going to be enough? I guess for some, never. But yeah, since he worked with them extensively and campaigned on their involvement in his presidency, and gives them billions of dollars, I'd say it's a tad bit fair.

It's getting pretty frickin' ridiculous. If one of your associates is a bad egg or even two or three, there is leeway, but jeez, enough already. He doesn't even try to make excuses for them anymore, only his blind followers do (or dredge up some obscure guy some Republican spoke to during lunch in 2004 who ended up doing something).
 badge3939
Joined: 8/10/2007
Msg: 12
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Posted: 9/16/2009 11:25:59 AM
Here is OBAMA"S ties to ACORN
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGC7zm

<div class="quote">When Obama met with ACORN leaders in November, he reminded them of his history with ACORN and his beginnings in Illinois as a Project Vote organizer, a nonprofit focused on voter rights and education. Senator Obama said, "I come out of a grassroots organizing background. That's what I did for three and half years before I went to law school. That's the reason I moved to Chicago was to organize. So this is something that I know personally, the work you do, the importance of it. I've been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.”


So he worked with them for 3 years. He main purpose was to organize.
Then he ran a Project vote voter registration drive.

So he does know the work they do. Personally. HMM Based on that he should have known about the brothels and underage girls.. Laughs.
 EarlzP
Joined: 12/9/2007
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Posted: 9/16/2009 3:48:36 PM

I am actually looking for ACORN to start firing managers after the first employees start saying who taught them their trade. It will be interesting to see ACORN try to clean house.


IMHO those Acorn employees are plants just another attempt by those who are so filled with hatred at losing their corporate health care hand outs that they will do any thing to try to get their teeth back into taking huge bites out of what ever remains of our economy
 badge3939
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Posted: 9/16/2009 4:49:59 PM
Of course the employees are going to deny given advice to anyone that was a pimp or prostitute. On tax evasion or running a brothel.

If they did. Then ACORN would not have a leg to stand on. There would go the doctored tape theory. There would be no letters from their lawyer to FOX.

They did fire those employees. Which was a major mistake. (Should have suspended them.)

IMHO Firing them and then defending them. Gives me the impression that the employees did talk to the pimp and prostitute. Gave them the advice in the NON doctored tapes.

 badge3939
Joined: 8/10/2007
Msg: 15
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Posted: 9/16/2009 8:40:24 PM
The Baltimore City State Attorney's Office is investigating the matter.


Who is the The Baltimore City State Attorney?

http://hotairpundit.blogspot.com/2009/09/states-attorney-in-baltimore-who-would.html


State's Attorney for Baltimore City Patricia Jessamy, an Obama supporter who worked on the Maryland For Obama Steering Committee...

This is the Statement the Attorneys Office released on the undercover ACORN video from James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles late yesterday:

STATEMENT OF STATE’S ATTORNEYS OFFICE FOR BALTIMORE CITY RELATIVE TO THE ALLEGED BALTIMORE ACORN INCIDENT
Baltimore, MD – September 11, 2009 – We have received inquiries from citizens and the media asking whether the Baltimore City State’s Attorneys Office would initiate a criminal investigation for acts allegedly committed at ACORN offices located in Baltimore. The only information received in reference to this alleged criminal behavior was a YouTube video. Upon review by this office, the video appears to be incomplete. In addition, the audio portion could possibly have been obtained in violation of Maryland Law, Annotated Code of Maryland Courts and Judicial Proceedings Article §10-402, which requires two party consent.



The 2 employees ere only seasonal employees.

Looks like the authors of the video are going to jail.

Even though there are 4 videos out there showing all this corruption with ACORN.


the authors in the media backing up their production?


So Fox News is not media?

That is because the left wing media is not covering the story. Only that charges may be laid against the authors

ACORN has to say the tapes are doctored. 1. ex-employees not sure what was said.

I am sure that anyone working in an office would remember if a pimp and prostitute entered their office asking these questions.


So it play dumb time for the ex-employees.
 EarlzP
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Posted: 9/17/2009 7:18:30 PM

I think it interesting that the media is downplaying the potential fraud being perpetrated by Acorn and groups like them. If people realize that Obama is affiliated with these groups who engage in these types of activities it will tarnish his polished image. Pretty much every bill lately has had some parts in them in which Acorn and groups like them can receive Government money.Right attack the messengers and not the message typical Left wing activist tactics.....its about time people started looking into what these community activist groups actually do,,,,I mean it sounds great I am a "Community activist",,,wow, you are such a great citizen....people should have done more research into Obamas background so that we would not have elected a President that shares these peoples lack of ethics and values....


Lack of ethics? Because some Acorn employees were caught, does this mean that you think if any employee of any company acts inappropriately any one working for that company shares their ethics, does that mean that anyone working for Governor Mark Sanford shares his ethics, I anxiously await your reply.

When a representative of the people lets use ex governor and ex vice presidential candidate Palin lied about health care and death panels that anyone associated with her was unethical?
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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Posted: 9/17/2009 9:50:40 PM

If people realize that Obama is affiliated with these groups who engage in these types of activities it will tarnish his polished image.
I guess I just don't understand why it's so important to do that.

Why is that the ultimate goal?

If people didn't care that the "Shrub" got by with all kinds of illegal things, why are they so bothered about the "legal things that OBAMA is doing?
 badge3939
Joined: 8/10/2007
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Posted: 9/17/2009 9:59:55 PM

Lack of ethics? Because some Acorn employees were caught, does this mean that you think if any employee of any company acts inappropriately any one working for that company shares their ethics,


When you have 4 ACORN offices in 4 different states. All giving advice to a pimp and prostitute. They didn't show any concern that the kids were under age and would be illegal aliens. That shows a lot of Lack of ethics.

Now ACORN is trying to run for cover. Blame the pimp and prostitute.

Blame those 2 because they found out what is\could be happening with ACORN.

Not sure who has more Lack of ethics?
The pimp and prostitute? Filming the conversations?
The worker? For giving the information they asked for. Not caring the kids were underage.


The workers are saying they don't remember talking to a pimp and prostitute.

The CNN interview. "I was scared."
If she was scared? Why did she not do any of the following.?
1) Ask them to leave?
2) Why did she not call the police?


So now we have
1 saying she doesn't remember talking to pimp and prostitute.
1 saying she was scared.
 bliss serendipity
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Posted: 9/17/2009 11:48:52 PM
Why are so many Republicans fixated on ACORN? Is it because this agency helps poor people? Don't you care about the poor?


ACORN has received a grand total of $53 million in federal funds over the last 15 years -- an average of $3.5 million per year. Meanwhile, not millions, not billions, but trillions of dollars of public funds have been, in the last year alone, transferred to or otherwise used for the benefit of Wall Street. Billions of dollars in American taxpayer money vanished into thin air, eaten by private contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan, led by Halliburton subsidiary KBR.


Bliss
 bliss serendipity
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Posted: 9/17/2009 11:50:37 PM

As for ACORN, nobody is apologizing for them or suggesting that they've done nothing wrong. Any group that large will have individuals in it who do bad things. The issue is one of proportion. If someone ostensibly opposes government waste and unfairness in tax policy yet spends most of their time focusing on a tiny group that helps the poor and receives a miniscule amount of government money -- all while ignoring or even revering the enormous, omnipotent industries which eat up trillions in taxpayer waste and dwarf the impact of ACORN by many, many magnitudes -- then any rational person would question what the real motives are (and the claim that ACORN is "Now Eligible for up to $8 billion" is pure Beckian deceit; they (like every other group in the U.S.) are theoretically "eligible" for any stimulus funds in the areas in which they work, but they haven't received a penny of it, and the chances they'd receive all or most of it are, and always have been, zero).


Bliss
 badge3939
Joined: 8/10/2007
Msg: 21
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Posted: 9/18/2009 12:16:05 AM

Why are so many Republicans fixated on ACORN? Is it because this agency helps poor people? Don't you care about the poor?


Steal from the poor and Embezzle the money.

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS221224+09-Jul-2008+PRN20080709


ACORN Embezzlement Scandal is the Latest Controversy in Group's Long, Corrupt History...

WASHINGTON, July 9 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Tim Miller, Communications
Director of the Employment Policies Institute, issued the following statement
after The New York Times published an explosive expose this morning detailing
how the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) covered
up nearly $1 million in embezzled funds by its founder's brother:

"It comes as no surprise that ACORN founder and chief organizer Wade Rathke
hid his brother's embezzlement of nearly $1 million dollars from the
'charitable' organization's employees, board of directors, and donors. This is
just one more page in ACORN's corrupt history, which already includes election
fraud investigations in at least a dozen states, hypocritical and oppressive
employment practices, and a political agenda driven by a handful of
anti-corporate activists.


So how many poor people are they actually helping?

All they were concerned about.
Getting Obama elected.
Also running Brothels.

I am sure the list can go on. I would not be surprised if ACORN is dissolved.

Any new organization that emerges after that. I watch out for also. It could be ACORN under a new name.
 EarlzP
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Posted: 9/18/2009 5:56:53 AM
[quote ]This is how our government works... each opposition party keeps tabs on the other side's institutions. Right now, ACORN has a systemic illness.

So 2 bad apples or 12 or 24 out of thousands of acorn employees means the whole group is bad? So, lets see if one of my family members or one of yours is bad by your thought process the whole family is bad, lets get rid of every politican who has had a bad employee or had a less then wholesome relative, this is nothing more then an attempt by the republican party to smear the President


The denial should be obvious in that all the ACORN defenders are suggesting that the US Census Bureau and 83 of 90 Congresspersons must be so stupid as to be duped by 2 early 20-something investigative journalists.


This is nothing more then distortions, smoke and mirrors by the republicans to get at President Obama and the Democrats


Let's see any of you get up off your duffs and get the govt to cut ties with something YOU are certain is corrupt by providing it with EVIDENCE.


This is nothing more then entrapment and will be thrown out of court, there will be no convictions, what these TWO Acorn employess did was wrong but it certainly does not represent a large cross section of Acorn employees. I hope the President veto's the action to cut off funding, Acorn is under contract with the federal government, President Obama can veto it all he wants but a court will be forced by law to enforce the contract
 geeleebee
Joined: 5/26/2008
Msg: 23
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Posted: 9/18/2009 6:32:51 AM
Sheesh.

This is a matter of ethics and legalities--it is not a Left/Right issue.
If people are committing crimes, then they need to be caught and punished--is that a partisan belief?
Or--is it simply how we handle criminal behavior in America?

Stop making every frigging thing about Left/Right--a crime is a crime is a crime--to paraphrase Gertrude Stein.
 EarlzP
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Posted: 9/18/2009 6:58:37 AM

I agree a crime is a crime, funding should be cut off until all of the allegations are investigated including the voter fraud allegations.The voter fraud allegations are more troublesome as they are more political in nature if Obama does veto cutting off funding people may wonder the extent of the voter registration fraud and whether or not Obama benefited from it during the election.No matter what the extent of the ties Obama has with Acorn this does negatively reflect on him as he has named Acorn many times as a group that will help shape his administration. I don't see this case going to far though it seems that anything that gets close to tarnishing Obamas image is always quashed by the Attorney General or the courts...just for the record Obamas ties to Acorn are more difficult to ascertain now that they have cleansed the internet, so much for Transparency in this administration....


Baloney accusations are just that and BTW not one allegation of voter fraud has been proven, any one an make accusations and that seems to be what the republicans do the best, it's easy to see thier MO just keep throwing enough BS against the wall and eventually some thing will stick if not to the wall then at least in the minds of people who can't or won't see throught the mindless pointless rhetorical lies they keep spewing forth
 BikerBiker53
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Posted: 9/18/2009 7:43:52 AM
Thanks for this suggestion,...


Glenn Beck drew a flow chart/illustration of the larger tree on which ACORN was just a branch. Try Googling for it and he'll show you not only how the shell game is set up but WHY it is setup and the explicitly stated intent of this EXACT form of setup


I did exactly that,...I typed into google,...."ACORN Flow Chart",..and the first hit came back was,...


http://justsaynodeal.com/acorn.html

"Founded in the 70's, this training arm of ACORN mobilizes activists to manipulate public opinion through "direct action" and illegal activities. Obama's extensive work with ACORN & Midwest Academy dates back to 1992 and ranges from training and fundraising, to legal representation and voter mobilization (Project Vote)."

"the 2nd largest recipient of Freddy & Fannie cash, the former ACORN attorney and Chief Trainer formed a political partnership with Bill Ayers in his early years. Blames "reckless deregulation and lack of oversight" for the current financial meltdown, but government policies - formulated and promoted by community organizations - like those linked to Obama - along with members of his campaign- are the root cause"

"Ayers appointed a non-experienced Obama Chairman of Chicago Annenberg Challenge - Obama, who later doled out hundreds of millions to ACORN and other
community groups political career from his home, appointed him Chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge and served with him on Board of Woods Fund. Obama calls the Weathermen founder and domestic terrorist "respectable" and "mainstream," endorsed Ayers' book in '97 yet recently claimed: he's "just another guy in the neighborhood."


It reads like a "Who's Who" of abuse, and underhanded dealing within Politics, and abuseing the system,..with known Terrorist Bill Ayres,....Fanny Mae,..Freddy Mac,...and of course with Obama at the Helm !

Oh and lets not forget "Move On",..and Van Jones,...I can NOT believe what Im seeing

The worst of the worst,..leading ACORN into criminal enterprizes of bilking Millions and Millions of dollars from the Government,..and a lot of it dissapering.

Yup Politics,...Business as Useual !
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