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 Stormwolf
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My body,My choice!Page 1 of 14    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14)
New York State has passed a law, Mandating all Health Care workers to
take the H1N1 flu injection. I don't believe anyone has the right to force
anyone to put something in their body against their will. I have worked in the
Healthcare field over 20 years, have never had the Flu or the Flu shot. I'm
told that I could lose my Job if I refuse this Mandate. I will put this new law to
the test as I am willing to lose my job over what I feel is my inherent Civil and Human
right of choosing what goes into my body! I have been a long time avocate Against
Flu shots because I know for a fact...they do not work and the long term effects
from the POSION in these shots will do more harm than good. Here is a list
of what all Flu shots contain:

Analysis of FLU Vaccine fillers:

1) ALUMINUM (two variants) - directly linked to Alzheimer's Disease

2) AMMONIUM SULFATE - an inorganic chemical compound used a fertilizer and "protein purifier"; known to cause kidney & liver damage, gastrointestinal disfunctions

3) AMPHOTERICIN B - an "antifungal disinfectant", damages the urinary tract, bowels, heart functions

4) RE-CYCLED ANIMAL TISSUE (multiple) - the building blocks of Mad Cow Disease

5) FORMALDEHYDE - used as "a preservative & disinfectant", known to cause cancer, chronic bronchitis, eye irritation when exposed to the body's immune system

6) MSG - now known to cause cancer in humans, also linked to obesity

7) PHENOL - a highly toxic disinfectant dye, attributed to liver, kidney, heart & respiratory damage

8) PHENOXYETHANOL (ANTIFREEZE) - proven to have extreme neurotoxic side effects

9) THIMEROSAL (MERCURY) - a neurotoxin linked to psychological, neurological & immunological problems. Nervous system damage, kidney disease, birth defects, dental problems, mood swings, mental changes, hallucinations, memory loss, nerve damage and inability to concentrate can occur. Symptoms also include tremors, loss of dermal sensitivity, slurred speech and, in rare cases, even death and paralysis. This additive alone was the catalyst for another recent Class Action Lawsuit organized by mothers of children born with Autism & the many related behavioral disorders associated with it. Autism is now occurring at levels never seen before in history, 1 in 67. The average used to be 1 in 20,000.

All opinions will be welcome!
 buteo regalis
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Posted: 10/7/2009 6:37:57 PM
It is your choice.

You can choose to keep your job, and comply with your employers wishes.
or
You can freely choose to give up your job and look for a new one, if your stubborn belief in this psuedo science is more important to you than your job.




because I know for a fact...they do not work
If you're going to proudly claim that you know this is fact, could you please provide evidence of the years of comprehensive peer-reviewed scientific research you've done to conclude that it is indeed a fact?
 Connor-19
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Posted: 10/7/2009 6:43:49 PM
You're not be forced to take it.

You're being forced to take it to keep your job that revolves around being other random people.
 Stormwolf
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Posted: 10/7/2009 6:51:17 PM

If you're going to proudly claim that you know this is fact, could you please provide evidence of the years of comprehensive peer-reviewed scientific research you've done to conclude that it is indeed a fact?


Please put the below link in your browser. It's FACTS supported by many
research groups, It's indeed a very long article, so please read as much as you can!
THANKS!


http://www.jeffreywarber.com/hc%20pages/fluscam2.html#anchor3
 PrimeWoman
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Posted: 10/7/2009 6:58:18 PM
If I understand correctly, the swine flu is no more or less dangerous than any other flu.
Are you mandated to take a regular plain ol flu shot?
If no, then it might very well be a legal case.

They tried to give my that shot in the army back in 1977. I ducked out of line and avoided it. I have a very strong immune system naturally and am not wild about pharmaceutical chemistry if I absolutely don't need it.

Keep us posted, this is interesting.
 Stormwolf
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Posted: 10/7/2009 7:11:33 PM

If I understand correctly, the swine flu is no more or less dangerous than any other flu

You are correct, it's no more dangerous than any other Flu.


Are you mandated to take a regular plain ol flu shot?

Both! However, there are thousands of Healthcare workers in New York
who are refusing this Mandate! It is my belief that after they scare as many people as possible to take it, they will reverse this unjust law as "unconstitutional."
And your right, the ACLU is all over this as we speak!
Thanks for your comment!
 mungojoe
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Posted: 10/7/2009 7:23:26 PM

It's FACTS supported by many
research groups

Well please, tell us who these professionally recognized "research groups" are because Warber sure as hell doesn't cite them in his 'article'.

In fact, Warber is little more than another one of the "There's a conspiracy to take away our personal choice by denying us 'natural cures' and poison us all with chemicals" new age conspiracy nuts.
 ~Kyn~
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Posted: 10/7/2009 7:24:53 PM
Umm... you know OP... this is how I see it...

Ever travelled overseas? had vaccinations to protect you?

I will put this new law tothe test as I am willing to lose my job over what I feel is my inherent Civil and Human right of choosing what goes into my body!

What about if they told you you could lose your job if you didnt eat a bowl of icecream?

Im sure its something you voluntarily do normally cos its kinda yummy

Maybe you could ask them to add the vaccine to a bowl of icecream? and you can take it with the rest of the chemicals.

Ice cream

* Caroxymethyl cellulose, butyraldehyde, and amyl acetate are additives in some commercial ice creams.

* Diethyl glycol -- a cheap chemical used to take the place of eggs, which is also used in anti-freeze and paint removers.

* Aldehyde C-17, flavoring for cherry ice cream, is an inflammable liquid used in dyes, plastics, and rubber.

* Piperonal, used in place of vanilla, is a lice killer.

* Ethyl Acetate, a pineapple flavor, can also clean leather and textiles.

* Lemon its natural isnt it? but can be both eaten and used as a powerful cleaner.

* Ethyl Acetate's vapor has been known to cause chronic lung, liver, and heart damage.

* Mono and diglicerides, disodium phosphate, benzyl acetate, mono stearate, propylene glycol, sodium benzoate, polysorbate 80, potassium sorbate, modified corn starch and soy lecithin.

Mandating all Health Care workers to take the H1N1 flu injection.
You are correct, it's no more dangerous than any other Flu

You're a Health Care worker. And they've decided that it is whether you agree with their assessment ... or not.
Next year is likely to be another strain of Flu... so you might as well get used to the idea of vaccinations.

I wonder what everybody elses civil rights will be if you get sick and make possibly tens of thousands of people sick... ?
Possibly lead to the death of particularly young children and the elderly who's immune systems are weak.

Think they'll cite their civil rights at you?? or throw you in jail ...?

See there's something called culpability... and if you dont do what you need to do to protect other people... Ima pretty sure they'll have a far more solid case against you for premeditated manslaughter.

They arent interfering with your "rights"... the object of the vaccination...
... is to PROTECT you
AND everybody else.

There are notifiable diseases, rules and regulations for a reason.

Might be worth you reading up on cases like Typhoid Mary... she killed thousands of people... cos you need to seriously reconsider your position

http://americanhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_story_of_typhoid_mary
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 10/7/2009 7:35:01 PM
At one point last year 40% of health care workers in the UK were off because of this. That was before a vaccine was available.

It's a reasonable requirement by your employer. If you disagree with it because you're a fruit loop, then you can look for other employment.
 pazoozoo
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Posted: 10/7/2009 7:40:53 PM
I am just speculating, but it seems the most logical way to resolve this problem would be for those who refuse the vaccine to sign a waiver absolving the employer of all responsibility ( unpaid sick leave, no financial responsibility for complications stemming from the flu for the employee or those close to them).

I agree people shouldn't be forced to have anything injected into their body in order to work, but I also understand when people get sick, they tend to jump on the litigation bandwagon.

I volunteer at a hospital. We are being offered the vaccine when and if it arrives. I intend to take the shot. I've lived this long with lots worse things I've voluntarily put in my body. I don't think the tiny amount of vaccine is gonna get me.
 Got Trance
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Posted: 10/7/2009 7:47:12 PM
I would like to know why he is a fruit loop. He has a choice. If he chooses not to get the shot he will suffer the consequences. He has a right to NOT want something injected into his body.

Stevens
 Stormwolf
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Posted: 10/7/2009 7:52:11 PM

You're a Health Care worker.
I wonder what everybody elses civil rights will be if you get sick and make possibly tens of thousands of people sick... ?
Possibly lead to the death of particularly young children and the elderly who's immune systems are weak.


The Flu shot does not Guarantee immunity. The last "Swine Flu" shot in 1979, killed
more than 27 people and gave over 500 people Guillain-Barre syndrome!
Also, why is it that the makers of these flu shots are exempt from law suits
if you die from a side effect directly related to the flu shot?

The US government and pharmaceutical industries have been conspiring for years to engender a flu pandemic:
Killer flu recreated in the lab 07 Oct 2004 Scientists have shown that tiny changes to modern flu viruses could render them as deadly as the 1918 strain which killed millions. A US team added two genes from a sample of the 1918 virus to a modern strain known to have no effect on mice.
Experimental Infection of Pigs with the Human 1918 Pandemic Influenza Virus By Hana M. Weingartl, et al. 18 Feb 2009 --Received 19 Nov 2008/ Accepted 6 Feb 2009 Swine influenza was first recognized as a disease entity during the 1918 "Spanish flu" pandemic. The aim of this work was to determine the virulence of a plasmid-derived human 1918 pandemic H1N1 influenza virus (reconstructed 1918, or 1918/rec, virus) in swine using a plasmid-derived A/swine/Iowa/15/1930 H1N1 virus (1930/rec virus), representing the first isolated influenza virus, as a reference.
Baxter working on vaccine to stop swine flu, though admitted sending live pandemic flu viruses to subcontractor 26 Apr 2009 Specialty drug maker Baxter International Inc. will work with the World Health Organization to develop a vaccine that could stem an outbreak of a deadly swine flu strain in Mexico. Baxter spokesman Christopher Bona said Saturday that the Deerfield, Ill.-based company has asked the WHO for a sample of the flu strain. He says Baxter has patented technology that allows the company to develop vaccines in half the time it usually takes -- about 13 weeks instead of 26.

Also recognize the hazards of an untested, unchecked, unnecessary and possibly deadly vaccine:
Administration readies $350 million for state, local responders to combat flu pandemic --The Obama administration said today that it has billions of dollars available to help pay for a national H1N1 flu vaccine program that could be ready starting in mid-October. 08 Jul 2009 Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius made the announcement at an all-day summit on the outbreak of what is more commonly known as swine flu. Sebelius said the government has "already appropriated about a billion dollars to buy the bulk ingredients" [i.e., influenza viruses, Neomycin, Polymyxin, Gentamycin, Thimerosal (mercury), Betapropiolactone, Nonoxynol, Octoxinol 9, Formaldehyde - yum yum! -LRP]
H1N1 Flu: UK to vaccinate 30 people an hour in 'military-style operation' --Swine flu vaccine to be cleared after five-day trial 12 Jul 2009 It will be introduced into the general population while regulators continue to carry out simultaneous clinical trials. The first patients in the queue for the jab - being supplied to the UK by GSK and Baxter Healthcare - may understandably be a little nervous at any possible side effects. A mass vaccination campaign against swine flu in America was halted in the 1970s after some people suffered Guillain-Barr%u9833yndrome, a disorder of the nervous system.
Everyone will get vaccine against swine flu 12 Jul 2009 The NHS is preparing to vaccinate the entire population against swine flu after the disease claimed the life of its first healthy British patient.
Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland --Three Polish doctors and six nurses are facing criminal prosecution after a number of homeless people died following medical trials for a vaccine to the H5N1 bird-flu virus. 02 Jul 2008

Swine flu jab link to killer nerve disease: Leaked letter reveals concern of neurologists over 25 deaths in America
By Jo Macfarlane
Last updated at 11:05 PM on 15th August 2009
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Prevention: Is the swine flu jab safe?

A warning that the new swine flu jab is linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter.
The letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, has been leaked to The Mail on Sunday, leading to demands to know why the information has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins.

It tells the neurologists that they must be alert for an increase in a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine.
GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, causing paralysis and inability to breathe, and can be fatal.

The letter, sent to about 600 neurologists on July 29, is the first sign that there is concern at the highest levels that the vaccine itself could cause serious complications.
It refers to the use of a similar swine flu vaccine in the United States in 1976 when:

More people died from the vaccination than from swine flu.
500 cases of GBS were detected.
The vaccine may have increased the risk of contracting GBS by eight times.
The vaccine was withdrawn after just ten weeks when the link with GBS became clear.
The US Government was forced to pay out millions of dollars to those affected.
Concerns have already been raised that the new vaccine has not been sufficiently tested and that the effects, especially on children, are unknown.
It is being developed by pharmaceutical companies and will be given to about 13million people during the first wave of immunisation, expected to start in October.
Top priority will be given to everyone aged six months to 65 with an underlying health problem, pregnant women and health professionals.
The British Neurological Surveillance Unit (BNSU), part of the British Association of Neurologists, has been asked to monitor closely any cases of GBS as the vaccine is rolled out.
One senior neurologist said last night: ‘I would not have the swine
flu jab because of the GBS risk.’

There are concerns that there could be a repeat of what became known as the ‘1976 debacle’ in the US, where a swine flu vaccine killed 25 people – more than the virus itself.
A mass vaccination was given the go-ahead by President Gerald Ford because scientists believed that the swine flu strain was similar to the one responsible for the 1918-19 pandemic, which killed half a million Americans and 20million people worldwide.

The swine flu vaccine being offered to children has not been tested on infants
Within days, symptoms of GBS were reported among those who had been immunised and 25 people died from respiratory failure after severe paralysis. One in 80,000 people came down with the condition. In contrast, just one person died of swine flu.

More than 40million Americans had received the vaccine by the time the programme was stopped after ten weeks. The US Government paid out millions of dollars in compensation to those affected.

The swine flu virus in the new vaccine is a slightly different strain from the 1976 virus, but the possibility of an increased incidence of GBS remains a concern.

Shadow health spokesman Mike Penning said last night: ‘The last thing we want is secret letters handed around experts within the NHS. We need a vaccine but we also need to know about potential risks.

‘Our job is to make sure that the public knows what’s going on. Why
is the Government not being open about this? It’s also very worrying if GPs, who will be administering the vaccine, aren’t being warned.’

Two letters were posted together to neurologists advising them of the concerns. The first, dated July 29, was written by Professor Elizabeth Miller, head of the HPA’s Immunisation Department.
It says: ‘The vaccines used to combat an expected swine influenza pandemic in 1976 were shown to be associated with GBS and were withdrawn from use.

‘GBS has been identified as a condition needing enhanced surveillance when the swine flu vaccines are rolled out.
‘Reporting every case of GBS irrespective of vaccination or disease history is essential for conducting robust epidemiological analyses capable of identifying whether there is an increased risk of GBS in defined time periods after vaccination, or after influenza itself, compared with the background risk.’

The second letter, dated July 27, is from the Association of British Neurologists and is written by Dr Rustam Al-Shahi Salman, chair of its surveillance unit, and Professor Patrick Chinnery, chair of its clinical research committee.
Halted: The 1976 US swine flu campaign

It says: ‘Traditionally, the BNSU has monitored rare diseases for long periods of time. However, the swine influenza (H1N1) pandemic has overtaken us and we need every member’s involvement with a new BNSU survey of Guillain-Barre Syndrome that will start on August 1 and run for approximately nine months.
‘Following the 1976 programme of vaccination against swine influenza in the US, a retrospective study found a possible eight-fold increase in the incidence of GBS.

‘Active prospective ascertainment of every case of GBS in the UK is required. Please tell BNSU about every case.

‘You will have seen Press coverage describing the Government’s concern about releasing a vaccine of unknown safety.’

If there are signs of a rise in GBS after the vaccination programme begins, the Government could decide to halt it.

GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, leaving them unable to transmit signals to muscles effectively.
It can cause partial paralysis and mostly affects the hands and feet. In serious cases, patients need to be kept on a ventilator, but it can be fatal.

Death is caused by paralysis of the respiratory system, causing the victim to suffocate.
It is not known exactly what causes GBS and research on the subject has been inconclusive.
However, it is thought that one in a million people who have a seasonal flu vaccination could be at risk and it has also been linked to people recovering from a bout of flu of any sort.

The HPA said it was part of the Government’s pandemic plan to monitor GBS cases in the event of a mass vaccination campaign, regardless of the strain of flu involved.
But vaccine experts warned that the letters proved the programme was a ‘guinea-pig trial’.

Dr Tom Jefferson, co-ordinator of the vaccines section of the influential Cochrane Collaboration, an independent group that reviews research, said: ‘New vaccines never behave in the way you expect them to. It may be that there is a link to GBS, which is certainly not something I would wish on anybody.

‘But it could end up being anything because one of the additives in one of the vaccines is a substance called squalene, and none of the studies we’ve extracted have any research on it at all.’

He said squalene, a naturally occurring enzyme, could potentially cause so-far-undiscovered side effects.

Jackie Fletcher, founder of vaccine support group Jabs, said: ‘The Government would not be anticipating this if they didn’t think there was a connection. What we’ve got is a massive guinea-pig trial.’

Professor Chinnery said: ‘During the last swine flu pandemic, it was observed that there was an increased frequency of cases of GBS. No one knows whether it was the virus or the vaccine that caused this.

‘The purpose of the survey is for us to assess rapidly whether there is an increase in the frequency of GBS when the vaccine is released in the UK. It also increases consultants’ awareness of the condition.

Panic over? The number of swine flu cases has fallen sharply in the past few weeks
‘This is a belt-and-braces approach to safety and is not something people should be substantially worried about as it’s a rare condition.’

If neurologists do identify a case of GBS, it will be logged on a central database.

Details about patients, including blood samples, will be collected and monitored by the HPA.

It is hoped this will help scientists establish why some people develop the condition and whether it is directly related to the vaccine.

But some question why there needs to be a vaccine, given the risks. Dr Richard Halvorsen, author of The Truth About Vaccines, said: ‘For people with serious underlying health problems, the risk of dying from swine flu is probably greater than the risk of side effects from the vaccine.

‘But it would be tragic if we repeated the US example and ended up with more casualties from the jabs.

‘I applaud the Government for recognising the risk but in most cases this is a mild virus which needs a few days in bed. I’d question why we need a vaccine at all.’

Professor Miller at the HPA said: ‘This monitoring system activates pandemic plans that have been in place for a number of years. We’ll be able to get information on whether a patient has had a prior influenza illness and will look at whether influenza itself is linked to GBS.

‘We are not expecting a link to the vaccine but a link to disease, which would make having the vaccine even more important.’

The UK’s medicines watchdog, the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency, is already monitoring reported side effects from Tamiflu and Relenza and it is set to extend that surveillance to the vaccine.

A Department of Health spokesperson said: ‘The European Medicines Agency has strict processes in place for licensing pandemic vaccines.

‘In preparing for a pandemic, appropriate trials to assess safety and the immune responses have been carried out on vaccines very similar to the swine flu vaccine. The vaccines have been shown to have a good safety profile.
‘It is extremely irresponsible to suggest that the UK would use a vaccine without careful consideration of safety issues. The UK has one of the most successful immunisation programmes in the world.’
I COULDN''T EAT OR SPEAK... IT WAS HORRENDOUS

Victim: Hilary Wilkinson spent three months in hospital after she was diagnosed with Guillain-Barre Syndrome
When Hilary Wilkinson woke up with muscle weakness in her left arm and difficulty breathing, doctors initially put it down to a stroke.
But within hours, she was on a ventilator in intensive care after being diagnosed with Guillain-Barre Syndrome.

She spent three months in hospital and had to learn how to talk and walk again. But at times, when she was being fed through a drip and needed a tracheotomy just to breathe, she doubted whether she would survive.
The mother of two, 57, from Maryport, Cumbria, had been in good health until she developed a chest infection in March 2006. She gradually became so weak she could not walk downstairs.
Doctors did not diagnose Guillain-Barre until her condition worsened in hospital and tests showed her reflexes slowing down. It is impossible for doctors to know how she contracted the disorder, although it is thought to be linked to some infections.
Mrs Wilkinson said: ‘It was very scary. I couldn’t eat and I couldn’t speak. My arms and feet had no strength and breathing was hard.
I was treated with immunoglobulin, which are proteins found in blood, to stop damage to my nerves. After ten days, I still couldn’t speak and had to mime to nurses or my family.

‘It was absolutely horrendous and I had no idea whether I would get through it. You reach very dark moments at such times and wonder how long it can last.

But I’m a very determined person and I had lots of support.’

After three weeks, she was transferred to a neurological ward, where she had an MRI scan and nerve tests to assess the extent of the damage.

Still unable to speak and in a wheelchair, Mrs Wilkinson eventually began gruelling physiotherapy to improve her muscle strength and movement but it was exhausting and painful.
Three years later, she is almost fully recovered. She can now walk for several miles at a time, has been abroad and carries out voluntary work for a GBS Support Group helpline.

She said: ‘It makes me feel wary that the Government is rolling out this vaccine without any clear idea of the GBS risk, if any. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone and it certainly changed my life.

‘I’m frightened to have the swine flu vaccine if this might happen again – it’s a frightening illness and I think more research needs to be done on the effect of the vaccine.’

Hotline staff given access to confidential records

Confidential NHS staff records and disciplinary complaints could be accessed by hundreds of workers manning the Government’s special swine flu hotline.

They were able to browse through a database of emails containing doctors’ and nurses’ National Insurance numbers, home addresses, dates of birth, mobile phone numbers and scanned passport pages – all details that could be used fraudulently.

And private and confidential complaints sent by hospitals about temporary medical staff – some of whom were named – were also made available to the call-centre workers, who were given a special password to log in to an internal NHS website.

It could be a breach of the Data Protection Act.
The hotline staff work for NHS Professionals, which was set up using taxpayers’ money to employ temporary medical and administrative staff for the health service.

The not-for-profit company runs two of the Government’s swine flu call centres – with 300 staff in Farnborough, Hampshire, and 900 in Watford, Hertfordshire.
Shadow Health Secretary Andrew Lansley described the revelations as ‘disturbing’.

Anne Mitchell, a spokeswoman for Unison, said: ‘There’s no excuse for such a fundamental breach of personal security. Action needs to be taken as soon as possible to make sure this does not happen again.’

A spokeswoman for NHS Professionals would not confirm whether access to the confidential files had been granted.

Now go eat your Ice Cream! Sigh....
 PrimeWoman
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Posted: 10/7/2009 7:53:42 PM
OP-

There is the fact that you are a health care worker in a highly populated state and therefore have greater exposure to diseases and increased odds of exposing others with weakened immune systems.

One does have to consider what's best for the common good.

I don't like the idea of having to submit to a mandatory urinalysis to be considered for a job in that most drugs and alcohol don't register if the person steers clear of them for 24-48 hrs yet pot remains in your system far longer. I would rather work with somebody who tokes on their time off than an alcoholic or coke head who drinks or snorts their lunch and returns to work.
This approach is inherently flawed.
 EvilLolli
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Posted: 10/7/2009 7:55:51 PM
They may have a mandate for it but there will be loopholes for it as well. Most likely if you can prove your health would be more impaired by taking the flu shot than not taking it w/ doctor approval/reinforcement-you won't be required to take the shot. A kind of "waiver" program.

I know there are a number of people that can't take the flu shot due to severe allergies to some of the components(I am one of them). The allergic reaction(s) would be far more of a health concern than having the flu would. Especially since the allergens would be injected into the body.

There will also probably be religious loopholes. Since some religions have a ban on medications being used on a body.

While I agree w/ the idea of cupability is admirable and correct, where do you draw the line between being accountable for how your actions impact others and sacrificing your health for the benefit of others? As for the number of healthcare workers that were out for being ill from the flu shot-some of the side-effects of the flu shots are flu-like symptoms. Hard to say if those that missed work were suffering from the flu or from the side effects of the shot.
 Raine1961
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Posted: 10/7/2009 7:59:46 PM
I work in a hospital and I'm expected to have a flu shot every year and I'm given a card proving I've had it done. If I don't have a shot and get sick with the flu during the year, I don't get paid for my time off. Stop being such a baby and get the shot.

Do you know what is in the food you eat and the water you drink? The flu shot is nothing.
 mungojoe
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Posted: 10/7/2009 8:02:47 PM
I would like to know why he is a fruit loop.

Well... the entire premise of why the OP is against the vaccine is what is actually rather "fruit loopy" (as in, in the main not supported by scientific fact in the 'correlation=causation' manner presented).

The other part is that this...

If he chooses not to get the shot he will suffer the consequences.

... is not the point.

He is not saying he will quit his job rather than take the vaccine, he is saying he will make them fire him and then test the law that allows him to "suffer the consequences".

In other words, he wants his "fruit loopy", for want of a better term, rationale for refusing the vaccine to trump the consequences to himself (but apparently him only... he seems unconcerned about the possibility of infecting others when he should know better).
 Stormwolf
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Posted: 10/7/2009 8:10:53 PM

Stop being such a baby and get the shot.

Coming from a person who works for a Hospital's Admin, I can understand
you position. However, please try to understand mine. It is my choice to
decide what I put in my body! No one has that right but me!
 Ezzee
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Posted: 10/7/2009 8:10:55 PM
I agree with previous posters.

You aren't being forced to take a flu shot.

You are, by condition of employment, being required to haveone.

You know, for years, I wanted to be an OTR driver. I thought it would be awesome to drive a semi long distances. There was only one problem. As a condition of employment, you are required to obtain an OTR license, which is something I can not do because I am blind.

I suppose, according to your rationale, I could sue every semi industry, bus industry, and any other industry that requires me to have a drivers license as a violation of my rights.

Let the money start rolling in.
 Stormwolf
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Posted: 10/7/2009 8:15:35 PM

In other words, he wants his "fruit loopy", for want of a better term, rationale for refusing the vaccine to trump the consequences to himself (but apparently him only... he seems unconcerned about the possibility of infecting others when he should know better).


Once again, there is no factual evidence the Flu shot makes you immune.
You are the uneducated fruit loop. My point is I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE
WHAT GOES IN MY BODY! NOT THE GOVERNMENT!
 Stormwolf
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Posted: 10/7/2009 8:21:04 PM

One does have to consider what's best for the common good.

Once again...there is ZERO factual evidence that the FLU shot provides immunity!
In fact, the CDC'S evidence PROVES THAT! Check out there stats on their website!
 Ezzee
Joined: 7/26/2004
Msg: 21
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Posted: 10/7/2009 8:24:07 PM

My point is I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE
WHAT GOES IN MY BODY! NOT THE GOVERNMENT!


Rhetorical question here, but how far does this right of being able to decide what goes in your body extend until the government should intervene?
 Stormwolf
Joined: 2/23/2009
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Posted: 10/7/2009 8:25:21 PM
At one point last year 40% of health care workers in the UK were off because of this. That was before a vaccine was available.


Please cite the source that you stated above! I believe you pulled those stats out of
your AZZ!
 Stormwolf
Joined: 2/23/2009
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Posted: 10/7/2009 8:37:48 PM

Rhetorical question here, but how far does this right of being able to decide what goes in your body extend until the government should intervene?


Where in the 10th Amendment to the Constitution are you given the right to try to pull a stunt like this? No government has the right to require vaccination of any kind for anyone UNLESS it has been PROVEN WITHOUT A DOUBT that a NATIONAL EMERGENCY exists and then the requirement is questionable and only to be used under the strictist guidelines. Would you even stop to find out if someone is allergic to such ??? medications ??? As far as I'm concerned this is just one more attempt to negate State's Rights laws and the rights of the citizens of this country. The 10th Amendment to the Constitution does NOT give you the power to make this requirement of the citizens of this country, nor to impose punishment should a person refuse to cooperate.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 24
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Posted: 10/7/2009 8:37:50 PM
If you work in a hospital, you've seen those numbers.

I call bullshit.
 Stormwolf
Joined: 2/23/2009
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Posted: 10/7/2009 8:43:23 PM

If you work in a hospital, you've seen those numbers.

I do work in a Hospital and NEVER seen 5% of the total work force effected by
any flu outbreak! You do call a lot of Bullshit!
40% of any healthcare work force would be a STATE of National Emergency!
It has never happened in our lifetime!
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