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 browneyesboo
Joined: 5/19/2005
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I'm interested in what people have to say about this as well.
I figure if I'm DATING someone (at least at this age) I'm
trying the guy on and hoping it will turn into a relationship
which in turn will be a sexual relationship.

I don't get all this non-sexual stuff.

I can make friends with guys whenever I want....and I do.
But I don't "date" my friends.

I don't really look at sex as a prize or a reward...I look at it
as a mutually satisfying experience.

I suspect I'll be single FOREVA.
 browneyesboo
Joined: 5/19/2005
Msg: 5
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Posted: 10/14/2009 10:53:09 AM
In this "day and age" who seriously starts a sexual
relationship WITHOUT being tested and expecting
your partner to be tested as well?

That's what grown ups do.
 damassteel
Joined: 7/22/2009
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Posted: 10/14/2009 10:53:53 AM
^^^ Yeah, what she said. As well I think you're on to something too. Women IMHO, want it just as much as you do, but it seems to me they want to be in the drivers seat as to when it happens. Fact of life, deal with it.
 DudeistPriest
Joined: 3/30/2009
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:07:31 AM
More proof that we are not as evolved as we like to think of ourselves.
The female with the best display attracts the males that then compete to show who is the best provider. The result is the best female and the best male get to do the horizontal mambo and pass on all these "best" genes. Of course that is how it is when sex is the sole purpose and intent.As an evolved species, we can think and reason and are not driven by instinct alone. The human animal is a social animal. and there is much more to our existence than bumping uglies and spawning.
Wining and dining a woman for a couple of months with the goal of separating her from her panties does not constitute a relationship. Therefore your claims that sex is important to a healthy relationship, though valid, do not apply to the scenerio you have put forth. I believe it's called "Putting the cart before the horse."
If a woman has been dating a man for a couple of months, with the thought that they may develop a relationship, just to find out he was only interested in a little nookie of course she may get offended. On the other hand, if a man gets upset because his intended mattress mate blocks his attempt at a field goal, it just shows that he does not respect her. Such displays tend to prove he was only interested in having sex, not in having a relationship.
 ColonelIngus
Joined: 9/16/2007
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Posted: 10/14/2009 11:22:58 AM

The only man I ever allowed to "wine and dine" me was my ex-husband... after we were married.

Problem solved.

Exactly. Men should save their wallets for marriage. <img src=http://www.plentyoffish.com/smiles/icon_201.gif border=0>

It's the only surefire way to avoid the many dishonest drink/dinner whores out there who are into sex-ploitation and committing date fraud.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
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Posted: 10/14/2009 12:23:57 PM
I think that there is a severe comprehension issue between men and women when it comes to sex and why a woman may or may not want to have sex early in a relationship and what the thought process is behind their decisions.

I can only speak for my self in this regard and when I am interested in a man I do know fairly quickly if there is a physical attraction, BUT what I dont know is if that is all there is, and if I am thinking about having sex with a person its because I am intersted in having a serious relationship, not a casual one. So the fact that I may be physically attracted to someone that is only one part of the equation and that alone would not be enough to have sex with them.

There is also a large issue of trust in the sexual act as well that I dont think many men are even aware of. Most 15 year old boys are physically stronger than I am, so for me to put myself in a position of extreme vulnerability, which having sex does, I need more than a few dates to get to the point where I would trust someone.

The bottom line is that for me, chances are I am not going to be dropping my drawers very quickly after meeting someone just because my bits get all tingly.

Most women know that there is a sexual attraction, but there is a difference between being attracted to someone and only dating someone because they want sex. That is what many women are trying to weed out early in the dating process. Some dont care, some do, those that do care are a little more cautious than those that dont.
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
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Posted: 10/14/2009 12:44:43 PM

My opinion is that any woman who's surprised, and angry that a man who's been wining and dining her for awhile might likely anticipate having sex with her, isn't living in the real world for this date and age.

In the thread you reference, the lady in question was not surprised or angry, she simply stated that she doesn't rush into sexual involvement. As mentioned in other posts here, given the very real possibilities of STDs, meeting someone who has a serious/dangerous personality disorder, or even just finding out that the guy is misrepresenting himself, not rushing into sexual intimacy is very prudent.
Actually, what the OP in that thread stated, was that he "wouldn't mind" paying the tab for dates if he was getting sex. Which begs the question, if you are just looking for the most effective use of your money as it relates to sexual gratification, hire a pro. Now, a nice clean hotlooking tight body ho might actually cost the OP more than what he's spending on dating this financially challenged regular woman, but he did say he likes to spoil himself.
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 bikeman1467
Joined: 9/22/2009
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Posted: 10/14/2009 12:47:42 PM

In a current thread, many women have been jumping all over a man who had wined and dined a woman for awhile, because was complaining that she didn't give him sex.
IMO a man who "wines and dines" a woman with the expectation of having sex with her because of the wining and dining has no leg to stand on if the woman does not decide to "put out" for him. In essence, he is "whining" about how his "wining" is unfruitful. He needs to either make better choices about his "wining" selections, or needs to improve his PUA technique--clearly he ain't getting the job done and whining about it isn't going to help his pick-up percentage.

My opinion is that any woman who's surprised, and angry that a man who's been wining and dining her for awhile might likely anticipate having sex with her, isn't living in the real world for this date and age.
I dunno; if a woman I was dating expected me to continue to take her out on pricey dinner dates, it's really up to me to decide if the dates are "worth" either my financial contributions and/or my time. Personally I look for more than just physical intimacy with the women I date; I'd want equal levels of intellectual, emotional, and spiritual intimacy to match whatever physical intimacy we share. So if the lady seeks all the other forms of intimacy but isn't willing to match that on the physical side, I probably would discuss this with her and if the outcome wasn't satisfactory, I'd end the relationship. I wouldn't start a thread on PoF whining about how my lady wasn't putting out--that's for sure. Now if the lady I date is very physically flirty but isn't willing to take things further physically--regardless of the other intimacy forms I listed above--that's a big issue too--this sort of thing I don't really see being discussed very much in these threads.

In this day and age, most men anticipate having sexual relations with a woman that they have been wining and dining, within a month or 2.
I don't look at dating as "wining and dining". I look at the "wining and dining" aspect of dating as "hmm let's see if I can find a woman who seeks intimacy with me or more than just a physical level--emotionally, intellectually, and spiritually--then take her to a nice restaurant to see if this amps up our romantic life". This method of thinking in a romantic sense has never failed for me.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
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Posted: 10/14/2009 12:53:12 PM
My opinion is that any woman who's surprised, and angry that a man who's been wining and dining her for awhile might likely anticipate having sex with her, isn't living in the real world for this date and age.


Again it must be a comprehension thing. The vast majority of the women in that thread responded to the fact that the OP would have been happy paying of he was getting laid. This was the OP getting pissed off that he wasnt getting any, not the woman getting angry because he was attracted to her.

You can be attracted as you want,to any woman in the world. No one cares, BUT dont think that because you get a woody, you somehow deserve something and that because the female in question doesnt want you rubbing your woody on her, that makes her a sex controlling **** that is using you for dinner....
 ChancesRMD
Joined: 4/11/2009
Msg: 34
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Posted: 10/14/2009 1:24:44 PM

I have no problem with a fellow anticipating sex . However I am not sexual with a man I do not care for deeply. Further I would be anticipating having a relationship with him before having sex with him. If that is not what he wants then no matter how much he wines and dines me he is going home alone when the evening ends.


OK We may have common grounds here. What I'm hearing from the FlowerLady is that she has to have feelings for and expects that there would at least be hope for a relationship with the gentleman before having sex with him. I don't think it far from what a lot of men and women in both threads are also saying.

If you recall the man dating the personal trainer said he was infactuated with her. His underlying issue wasn't the sex as much as it was whether or not she cared for him or was just using him to go out. His criteria for her to show she cared was sex.

All of the timelines you all go by are really just silly check points you made up from your past. 3 days, 30 days, 4th date, 6 months. 42 was a good answer. Was that days or hours?

How long does it take to know that the person is not LTR compatible? I would say I know 95% of the time, no later than the first meet and greet. Once you know, you shouldn't be letting that person wine and dine you in the first place. I think most people should know by the 3rd date. If you don't know then it might take you months to know for sure.

The trainer woman did tell him that she doesn't rush into sex. Maybe if she would have added that she likes him a lot and thinks there might be a future together to that he might not mind waiting. Otherwise he just wants to know if he's wasting his time and money. Although he would have been much wiser to leave the money part out of it.
 bikeman1467
Joined: 9/22/2009
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Posted: 10/14/2009 1:42:28 PM

" Ladies.. pay attention. Men do NOT come up to you to inquire about a platonic friendship. "
Generally this is true--it's definitely more true than it is false.

However, there have been some occasions when I was single and approached a woman with no romantic interest whatsoever. It's generally pretty easy to tell when this is so--there is no direct sexual talk from the guy and there are no sexual innuendos whatsoever.
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 40
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Posted: 10/14/2009 2:03:45 PM

You DO know.. instantaneously.. Masters and Johnson PROVED it.

psssst.. generally 3 seconds

Oh, I can decide in 3 seconds that I could jump his bones.
Then he opens his mouth and 3 seconds later I realize he's just another talking c0ck with nothing behind it. Sometimes I might choose to give him some slack and see if there's any redemption for him. It IS possible to get off on the wrong foot with me and recover. And there have been times when I haven't cared to explore whether a guy would be a good LTR prospect, for various reasons.
But for the most part, we women have a pretty good idea in a very short time...but not all of us are just looking for sex. A lot of us are looking for a reliable source of sex that won't eff up our lives. That can't always be determined in 3 seconds.
Not all women see Masters and Johnson as the polestar of their lives. Many have parental teachings, faith based learning, community standards, and past experience that affects their decisions.
If it was all just on sex appeal, I know a lot of good, loving men and women who are wonderful parents, grandparents and assets to their neighborhoods and communities....but because they were plain, or stout,or had a handicap, they would never have found a partner, were the '3 second rule' the only paradigm.

And here's another thought...what about all these threads we see, where a guy just cannot believe that women won't give him a chance...which way do you want it to be, guys? Are we to respond strictly to what our hormones dictate,and only date men who make us want to rip off our knickers on the spot? Or do you want us to also look at things like character, intelligence,stability, loyalty, dependability? Are we supposed to brush aside the plain looking good man, and only date the "bad boys" we knew we'd boink in 3 seconds?
I've pretty much decided to leave my romantic future, for whatver time I've left to go, in the hands of my Higher Power. If there is not a man I can love, respect and trust available, continuing to lead a solo life is absolutely fine with me. Personally, I see few single men who are my peers and contemporaries, that I'd let into my life to any extent further than dating(with or without benefits) because frankly, I've gotten damn fond of being autonomous. I can certainly maintain an open mind about finding a 2nd love of my life,but I feel little inclination to try and force it to happen, or "accept" or "settle for" or "realize" anything less than that.
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 bikeman1467
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Posted: 10/14/2009 2:05:15 PM
A lot of women would be VERY UPSET, if a man had been wining and dining her for awhile, and the man did NOT anticipate sex.
Yeah true; but I don't "wine and dine" a lady if I'm not reasonably certain of our intimacy on many levels BEFORE we go out to a nice restaurant on my invite. Look at this as "wining and dining" is NOT my modus operandi in order to get laid for the first time with a particular lady--rather my invite to a nice restaurant is the natural outcome of a relationship that is intimate on MANY levels, not just solely or mostly on a physical level. IMHO That's where the OP of the other thread seemed to be missing the point.
 bikeman1467
Joined: 9/22/2009
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Posted: 10/14/2009 2:31:13 PM
In fact the very thought of placing a time frame takes away the spontaneity of passion.
Very true. However, women (and men too for that matter) who state time frames will likely also state that they enjoy and participate in certain forms of spontaneity. That may or may not be true, but it certainly is NOT true as it relates to their sexual expectations in a relationship. They can separate spontaneous passion on many intimacy levels from spontaneous expressions of pure physical pleasure--especially with someone who basically is a stranger to them.
 makeba
Joined: 9/28/2009
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Posted: 10/14/2009 2:36:19 PM
Bikerman:
.... NOT my modus operandi in order to get laid for the first time with a particular lady--rather my invite to a nice restaurant is the natural outcome of a relationship that is intimate on MANY levels, not just solely or mostly on a physical level. IMHO That's where the OP of the other thread seemed to be missing the point.

What a load of BS. You are trying so hard to be a "gentle-man" that it is NOT funny! Spare us this soap opera!

Ruby Darling: Your post said it best!! Why would you want a guy you have no intention of sleeping with wine and dine you for 3months..?
 bikeman1467
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Posted: 10/14/2009 2:42:34 PM
What a load of BS. You are trying so hard to be a "gentle-man" that it is NOT funny! Spare us this soap opera!
Sorry but this is true. I have NEVER taken a woman to a nice restaurant with the expectation of getting laid FOR THE FIRST TIME. When I've done this early in the relationship without having sex first, sure I want to have sex (what guy doesn't??), but the EXPECTATION isn't to have sex shortly after the meal or sometime during the next date. The expectation certainly is to enjoy a good meal and the lady's company. I ain't kidding--I try to feel confident of intimacy on all sorts of non-physical levels before going to a fancy restaurant with a lady. Why? Because generally I'm not going to fancy restaurants on my own volition.

Since you don't really know me at all, it's sort of bogus for you to call BS on me--you can't disprove my expression of my opinion about this--it's how I feel. Try to express make pertinent opinions to the thread topic instead of making irrelevant ad-hominem comments to any PoFfer in particular.
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
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Posted: 10/14/2009 2:58:36 PM

Sorry but this is true. I have NEVER taken a woman to a nice restaurant with the expectation of getting laid FOR THE FIRST TIME.


The OP wasn't talking specifically about the first time but a succession of dates

OP, I agree with you--others can talk about STDs and morals, and such, but let's get real. If a man or a woman has an STD, it is NOT going away after a first date or a tenth date unless something is done about it. Dating someone long-term does not guarantee that a person is clean of STDs.

As far as morals--who defines them? Even within the realm of Judeo/Xtian morality, ideas about sex have changed. I teach college, and I have read in journals and heard Christian students who have premarital sex. I had a date with a self-professed Christian man who looked at me at one point and said, "I just want you to know that I am not one of those Christians who believe sex is only for marriage."

If I plan on being a platonic friend with a man, I'll tell him as soon as I know, and that will be early on, but if I continue to see a man without the platonic aspects spelled out, the relationship will include sex. I have male friends, but I don't date them! If I tell a man that I do not want a sexual relationship with him and he pursues one, he won't be a friend for long.

As far as women being offended or surprised because men want sex from them, they need to grow up. Women ALWAYS can say "no" and so can men (not to be sexist).
 bikeman1467
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Posted: 10/14/2009 3:12:20 PM
The OP wasn't talking specifically about the first time but a succession of dates
Alright--I've never gone on a series of dates with a woman, inviting her to pricey restaurants, with an implicit OR explicit sexual EXPECTATION.

To get to a series of pricey "wine and dine" dates, don't ya hafta get to the first one first? I never even get that far, LOL.

Most often after a "wine and dine" experience with a woman we've developed intimacy together BEFORE so that the sex afterwards was CONSENSUAL, MUTUALLY SATISFYING, and pretty much A GIVEN.
 Discerning Virtuosa
Joined: 6/10/2008
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Posted: 10/14/2009 3:40:01 PM
Sex (even great) does NOT keep a man around - I know that from experience in my younger days. Ok - I'm ready for the name calling................
I saw very little wine-ing and dining. Whether or not a guy is getting sex or not getting it doesn't matter. If he is not capable of a meaningful relationship with a woman it won't make a difference if she is swinging from the chandelier in 4 inch stillettos and nothing else - he will have his fun with her and then suddenly believe he's all that and a bag of chips to someone even hotter.
A lot of women have a good sense if a guy is dead behind the eyes and they keep going out with him hoping he is just one of those "still waters run deep" bozos.

DATING (it's called) is where 2 people spend time together interacting, sharing information about their lives, what kind of person they are, their hopes and plans for their life so they can see if they are compatible enough to bond through intimacy. It shouldn't be where the guy picks up the tab after sitting there thinking about how he's going to "get it"- not hearing a word she says, or her sitting there like a stone night after night wondering when he's going to start being more open and sharing.
If you're going to keep taking a woman out, and know she doesn't believe in sex before marriage, you should know that when you first start dating. If she does believe there are circumstances under which she feels good about sex, find out what they are. If it's a committed relationship she needs, sh!t or get off the pot. If she is sending mixed signals, ask her to explain herself, or she really feels about you.

....and sex appeal is a faux illusion created by the media that very few women can even live up to anymore and men seem to buy into hook line and sinker.
 CoolOldBroad
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Posted: 10/14/2009 4:03:05 PM
Well, it's still October, and I muse over why you decided to capitalize the word "prostitute." Might be something Freudian there? Oh, to think, before one's head explodes.......
 Genuine_Gentleman_For_You
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Posted: 10/14/2009 4:16:29 PM
OP, so what you're saying is that the only intention of wining and dining a lady, is to have sex with her? I thought wining and dining a lady was to impress her, and to show yourself as being a gentleman. Why expect sex in return? Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I thought sex was something that is to be willingly and unselfishly given by both, and not something expected as payback for a meal.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
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Posted: 10/14/2009 4:45:23 PM
Unless you happen to be going on blind dates and we aren't talking about Internet dating in this thread, isn't the point of this Internet dating to correspond with individuals a little bit beforehand? I know, I know...there will be all kinds of people who will say they want to hook up as fast as possible and meet for said wining and dining and get to know the person that way first, face to face.

My style when I was doing Internet dating was to get to the point of what I was after and what the guy was after even before we met, which included how I and he felt about expectations where sex and dating were concerned. For some reason, too many people like to leave that topic in limbo land and then get their collective snot in a knot when either the guy (if it's the guy) is pushing for sex too soon for her comfort or the female is appearing to show a disinterest in anything sexual in relation to the guy's time lines. Take your pick on whatever the scenario is about who gets bent out of shape for whatever reason. I say this time and again in the forums. What business do people have contemplating being in relationships (dating), being in relationships or continuing on in relationships if they can't discuss sex and expectations that surround it? By and large, the majority of people on dating sites aren't first time daters, have been in more than one relationship before, and are full blown adults. For those who constantly get bent out of shape about assumptions or expectations of the other party, the easiest way to avoid that is to communicate. If you can't, won't or don't, then by all means, continue the whine-ing and dining, because that's what it amounts to by both parties. Sex is a part of life when you reach a certain age. If you're old enough to have it, you're old enough to discuss it. If you can't, in my opinion you're sexually immature and you need to work on that before you even contemplate dating.
 Gwendolyn2010
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Posted: 10/14/2009 4:59:17 PM

Most often after a "wine and dine" experience with a woman we've developed intimacy together BEFORE so that the sex afterwards was CONSENSUAL, MUTUALLY SATISFYING, and pretty much A GIVEN.


Um, if men or women are NOT having consensual sex, there is something wrong with the picture--prosecution by the law wrong. Why would ANYONE have sex that is not mutually satisfying? Once, maybe twice, to see if it gets better, but more than that, get a new partner.


If you like a woman enough to have sex with her...then you should be prepared to marry her and if you aren't ready for that commitment.....go on your merry way.....get your vaseline out and cool the sausage down till you are ready to seriously look for a mate.


Hmmm . . . I see this is directed at men and not women. So, tell me, as a woman, if I like a man well enough to have sex with him, I have to marry him??? Yikes! You sound as if men are the only one who desire sex--you have a thing or two to learn about women.

And I prefer a lubricant made specifically for the vagina, not Vaseline.


I consider those that flippantly have premarital sex (not that all do it flippantly...there are plenty that make mistakes) are little better than child molesters or rapists.


Thank Buddha, Zeus, Inanna, Isis, Kali and Lao Tzu that YOU are not in charge of anything. To equate sex between consenting adults, even flippant sex (whatever the hell that is), with child molestation and rape is indicative of a mind that has a warped and unhealthy sexual outlook.


Premarital sex demeans both the man and the woman and puts a curse on future committed relationships.


NOTHING that YOU think can demean me. If I sleep with 1,000 men and/or women, it is not demeaning to me unless I choose to think so.


and I sure as hell don't want to date someone that expects it....


Durn, I was going to ask you out.
 Discerning Virtuosa
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Posted: 10/14/2009 6:33:36 PM
You know another consideration that doesn't seem to be discussed or addressed much when it comes to a woman giving it up to a guy after a couple of dates, has nothing to do with virtues, reputation, or obeying some stupid self imposed rules.

Women will ALWAYS usually be the weaker sex physically. If someone isn't giving a woman a good read on who he really is. she can just very well lose something besides her dignity. Watching the news. both local and national really tells me there's a lot of crazy fvcks out there. The economy is causing more stress, which in turn is a trigger for more sociopaths. The last thing I want is for a casual encounter to go bad and I'M the one who ends up on the 6pm news. A woman can't always be sure why a guy want's to get her alone. He mayhave a real rage towards women who don't meet his idea of what they should be.

Look at George Sodini - the gym shooter. He couldn't laid so he went on a killing spree. Do you supposed women could just sense that he was fvcked up & held resentment for women? That he had no social skills or ability to form a bond with another human being? So they avoided him like the plague. Many men who write about their sense of entitlement here in the forums think very similar to the way he did. To be honest, much of what I read here is scary.

There are religious nuts that would just love to teach a "free thinking liberal" woman a "lesson". So it's not just the demanding ones - it's also those who look down on women for not being virtuous enough.

I have a good friend who used to be carefree about casual encounters and sex. She knew the same people he knew, they went out a couple of times and then when he got her to the hotel room, he tied her to the door so she couldn't move, took out a board and hit her over the backside so hard the board broke eventually, and then filled the tub with scalding water and held her head under. She has permanent back problems now but she didn't lose her life.

If a woman doesn't trust you, she isn't giving you a damn thing, even if she's the whore of babylon.
 farscapeprincess
Joined: 4/28/2008
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Posted: 10/14/2009 7:29:15 PM

Personally, I thrive for passion in a relationship. I expect the men I date not to be pigs, but as a woman I want to feel desired. Sex shouldn't be the entire basis for any relationship, but it certainly is important. If I was dating a man who didn't seem interested in knowing me intimately I would be VERY worried. Practice safe sex, and follow gut instincts... I don't see how having sex within 60 days could possibly be as dangerous as that one poster suggests... lol.


I totally agree with you. I think you can be reasonably sure that the person you've been dating in this time frame is not a whack job. It also depends on whether the both of you will be monogamous, i.e. defining what the relationship is -- whether it will be a LTR one and that means you have to feel some certainty that the guy is truthful. Of course, safe sex should be practiced regardless. Wining and dining is fine, but not necessary for a date. A date can be anything: a movie, visit to a museum, a comedy show, the beach if you're near an ocean, etc. I think it's a reasonable assumption for two people (in this case the guy in the other thread) to want the relationship to progress to a sexual one. But if that woman wasn't ready...well maybe she was seeing some red flags or had trust issues with men in general. Who the hell knows since we don't know her side. I don't see it as wrong that he would expect sex after several weeks of dating, but also since we don't know her, there is more to it.
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