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 SteelCity1981
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Leave it to ASRock to do something like this.....



ASRock 939A785GMH128M Specifications

•Socket 939 for AMD Athlon™ 64FX / 64X2 / 64 processors

•Solid Capacitor for CPU power

•AMD 785G + SB710 Chipsets

•Supports Dual Channel DDR 400/333/266 with 4 DIMM slots, maximum capacity up to 4GB

•Integrated AMD Radeon HD 4200 graphics, DX10.1 class iGPU, Shader Model 4.1, Max. shared memory 512MB

•Integrated 128MB side port memory for iGPU

•Supports ATI™ Hybrid CrossFireX™

•1 x PCI Express 2.0 x16 slot (green @ x16 mode)

•Three VGA Output options: D-Sub, DVI-D and HDMI

•Supports HDCP function with DVI-D port

•Supports Full HD 1080p Blu-ray (BD) / HD-DVD playback with DVI-D port

•5 x SATAII 3.0 Gb/s, support RAID (RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 10 and JBOD), NCQ, AHCI and “Hot Plug” functions

•1 x eSATAII Port

•PCIE x1 Gigabit LAN 10/100/1000 Mb/s

•ASRock Smart BIOS, OC DNA, OC Tuner, IES, Instant Boot, Instant Flash

•EuP Ready

•7.1 CH Windows® Vista™ Premium Level HD Audio (ALC888 Audio Codec)

•Windows® Vista™ Premium 2008 Logo Ready

•I/O Panel : 1 x VGA/DVI-D Port, 1 x VGA/D-Sub Port, 1 x HDMI Port, 1 x Optical SPDIF Out Port, 4 x Ready-to-Use USB 2.0 Ports, 1 x eSATAII Port, 1 x RJ-45 LAN Port with LED

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/news/cpu/asrock-keeping-socket-939-alive-785g-motherboard/


I think it's a good idea for those still using socket 939 systems. This should add alittle bit more life to that aging form factor.
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 10/17/2009 6:28:28 PM
This isn't the first time ASRock made a new motherboard for an aging chipset.

Here is an Intel socket 478 that not only supports PCI-Ex but also DDR2.

P4i945GC

http://www.asrock.com/MB/overview.asp?Model=P4i945GC
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 10/17/2009 8:14:18 PM
The socket 939 was a great chipset the only major drawback was that the memory controller for socket 939 processors were DDR1. AMD could have made a socket 939 AMD processor with a DDR2\DDR1 memory controller much like the AM3 cpu's are today with its DDR3\DDR2 memory controller, but the problem was is that AMD felt like there would have been too much marketing confusion, using DDR2 ram on the same socket 939 chispet that was used to supporting DDR1 ram.
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Posted: 10/18/2009 7:38:42 AM
Oh geez. I feel behind the times now. I am still running a socket 754 with a amd64 3000.


Heh. I'm running a Socket 754 with a Turion 64 ML-37 (2000mhz). The laptop originally came with a Sempron 3300 or something, that that cpu was so pathetic. I was shocked to see a Turion in socket 754....but they did release some.

This thing has been running rock solid on any OS...so I guess I can't ask for much more.
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 10/18/2009 12:34:56 PM
There is no diff between AM2 and s939 chipsets they both use the same K8 core logic. They both were able to use the same northbridge chipset. There was nothing that AMD couldn't have done with the AM2 that they couldn't have done with s939. Marketing was the big reason like I said in my other post. The transition to using DDR2 on the same chipset would have caused a lot of marketing confusion.
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Posted: 10/18/2009 7:30:59 PM
Well it's odd. The original opterons were based on the original socket 940 platform which were for the server based market only, but then AMD offered it for the pc market on the socket 939 as well and continued to offer it to the pc market on the AM2 platform, but the true succesor to the oringal server based socket 940 is the socket F 1207.

Opterons and Athlons are cut from the same cloth. The only real diff between the two are is thresh hold. Since Opterons are server based pc's they are designedto with stand greater abuse then Athlons are. Which is why if you take say a pc based Opteron like a socket 939 for example vs a regular Athlon processor the Opteron can with stand a greater amount of overclocking without becoming unstable over the Athlon.
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Posted: 10/20/2009 6:48:29 PM
What I need is a new 939 CPU, but they are impossible to find.
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Posted: 10/20/2009 7:45:53 PM

What I need is a new 939 CPU, but they are impossible to find.


I can find a bunch of Single Core athlon 64 OEM s939 processors online dirt cheap, but it's the Dual Core OEM versions that cost an arm and a leg and are way overpriced now to justify their performance.

Now i've found a lot of used Athlon x2 64 s939 processors on ebay pretty cheap, which is going to be your best bet.

http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=socket+939+athlon+64+x2+&_sacat=0&_trksid=p3286.m270.l1313&_dmpt=CPUs&_odkw=socket+939+athlon+64+x2+4800%2B&_osacat=0

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Posted: 10/21/2009 10:34:40 AM
Anything that is really going to make any difference in performance is costing as much as I could do a MoBo/CPU/RAM upgrade for and get newer, faster equipment. For ~200.00 USD I could do a motherboard level upgrade with a AM2/3+ Socket that would still leave me room to upgrade again in the future.

I just wish I had pulled the trigger on a 4800+ I saw on the egg a good while back for about 40.00. Would have been quite an improvement from my current 3200+
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 10/21/2009 12:59:32 PM
Yeah you are better off prob building a new system. An AM3 ATI 785g motherboard, Along aith a AMD Athlon II X4 Quad Core and 4gb of DDR3 1333mhz will set you back prob 250 bucks on newegg, which imo is well worth the investment.
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Posted: 10/21/2009 1:32:28 PM
RE Msg: 8 by |lll|ll|l|ll|\47:
So for Asrock to produce a new board based on dead technology is weird.

I would love to know their thinking behind it
I've worked for mid-range companies (150-1000 employees) who were still running software written in the 1960s. New is not always better, at least, not for everyone.

RE Msg: 14 by |lll|ll|l|ll|\47:
I hadnt realised there was so many old CPUs out there.

Ive been using Core 2 Quad for so long now its hard to rememeber the slow ones at all.
In 1989, Intel brought out the 486 with a speed of 50MHz. By 1999, we had the Pentium 3, with an initial speed of 450-600 MHz. So we're looking at a rise of 900-1200%. By 2009, we're looking at 4.05GHz-7.2GHz, or at least, we should be, with even the same rate of improvements. But most people I know are running computers with a processor speed of 2.xGHz, say 2-3GHz. So it seems to me that the speed of CPUs is slowing down, and there is less gain in the new computers than there used to be. Many old desktops, from as long as 5 years ago, had 2.xGHz processors, and that puts them comparable to machines you can buy today.

Also, a lot of people have started realising that the largest reason why their old computers were so slow, was the lack of RAM far more than the speed of the CPU. Their motherboards were often designed to cope with a lot more RAM than the manufacturers put in, and they're buying more RAM over the internet, and finding that their old computer from 5 years ago, with a clock speed of 2.2GHz, and with another 1 Gb of RAM, is more than enough for everything they want to do, and buying a new computer, which might give them 2.5GHz, or maybe 2.8GHz, is just not showing enough of an improvement to make it worth it.
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Posted: 10/21/2009 4:44:14 PM
No the clock speed hasnt increased but the amount of cores has...


Yep that is true. AMD and Intel had maxed out the maximum GHz speed to a core before it became too unstable, so more cores were added to compensate for the GHz barrier.

Now we are about to embark on 6 cores being released shortly. Now obv this will be originally aimed at the server market and high-end enthusiast market considering nothing shorter of those two categories will take advantage of 6 cores at least not for a while. Heck a lot of pc consumer products still can’t take advantage of quad cores yet let alone 6 cores. We are just now seeing the pc consumer market starting to fully take advantage of dual cores now. So needing 6 cores in the pc consumer market is still a long ways away.
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Posted: 10/21/2009 6:20:43 PM
I mostly use my pc for photo editing and Video editing. I bought a quad core not too long ago and the latest photoshop just now supports dual cores, so a quad core doesn't help me out there. Video editing it does, but photo editing is still a ways a way from supporting a qaud core in which of the two main reasons I originally set out to buy a quad core processor. Heck by the time Photoshop supports quad cores it will be time to upgrade my pc by then.
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Posted: 10/30/2009 1:56:13 PM
Odd thing about the Intel and AMD Chipsets is that ATI Radeon 3200G can fully support HD Video but can't fully support lossless audio through HDMI. The Intel X4500G can't fully support HD Video but can fully support lossless audio HDMI Audio. The Nvidia 9300G can support both support HD Video and lossless audio HDMI fully.

The new ATI 4200g can fully support lossless audio through HDMI now.
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