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 JWG86
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I think it's a much smaller deal than all the stoners make it out to be. Most cops won't bust you for a joint or two anyways, and any more wouldn't be legal for "personal use" even under the new laws. I don't think much of anything will change except some idiots will toke up in front of police-stations for a few months after it passes and stuff like that just to show how they "stuck it to the man" and how "badass" they are. Other than that, life as usual.
 davidsauvignon
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Posted: 10/27/2009 9:46:56 PM

legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?

Gonna have to pay for UHC somehow...what better way, than to legalize pot, tax it and then distribute it as an alternative to those nasty, expensive pharmaceuticals?

Anorexic? Here ya go...guaranteed to induce munchies.

That Viagra pill cause a 4 hour erection? Here ya go...you'll be limp before your 'head' hits the pillow.

Have an ADHD child? No worries...two bong hits with their Cheerios in the morning.

LMAO...just realized I covered men, women and children right there ^^^.






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 JWG86
Joined: 7/5/2008
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Posted: 10/27/2009 10:18:06 PM

I wouldn't put that theory to a test.


Neither would I, but I lived across the side-walk from a guy who left his door open/unlocked while he cut up kilo's of the stuff on his kitchen table and weighed it out and divided it up into dime bags. Cops patrolled our complex constantly. He had a good little business going on there.

Cops have a lot more on their mind than a joint or two, however, if they catch you with it, they will use it to get more from you if they can. It is a nice conversation piece for them to see if you know things. So many times in CJ107 we were told of how a joint led to a burglary ring led to cleaning up a neighborhood, just because someone left it smoking in the ash-tray during a traffic stop.

The worst I ever heard was my friend being evicted for smoking pot with one of the local university teachers here in town. She went to court over it I think, but it never was a big deal beyond her eviction. Teacher still teaches, girl still attended (until she moved). She got busted b/c a noise complaint, their music was too loud.
 yna6
Joined: 1/21/2007
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Posted: 10/28/2009 11:04:37 AM
It certainly would be a boon to the economics, wouldn't it?
I think I'll apply for my growers license and have it ready.
yes...you can get one from the government here. With certain restrictions, etc.
 xxxDINOxxx
Joined: 8/12/2009
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Posted: 10/28/2009 1:18:03 PM
As for going to jail for a joint or two, probably depends on where you're at ultimately. Regarding nationally decriminalizing it, personally I'm in favor of that (because then they could also distribute and /or at least tax the heck out of it .....we need the $$ basically so, yes, we must at times become a drug dealer , ok?? ). But seriously though, I don't think it's going to happen on a national basis, no. Not in the next 20, 25 yrs. State-by-state perhaps. Here and there. We'll see what ends up happening in CA. But I don't see complete legalization in this country in the near-future. Don't forget, not only is there the whole "soft on crime /soft on drugs" fear on the part of politicians, there's also the fact that just as selling and taxing the drug could become quite an industry, fighting it is already quite an industry (people are employed by police depts, by the DEA, by the "prison-industrial complex"....even police dogs trained to sniff it out could be put out of work ultimately...and with the unemployment rate already this high....).

Somebody said this to me about the military the other day too, and I was thinking, Yeah I guess, actually that makes sense. I was talking with someone about over-bloated defense spending, two ongoing wars / occupation-type situations, etc , and he said (and I paraphrase), "Well you know at the end of the day it just puts a lot of people to work; if they were suddenly all back here and out of the army now, what would we really do with all of them anyway??"... Same thing with those whose employment consists of trying (albeit ultimately fruitlessly) to stamp out pot growing, or selling and using.
 Dale 09
Joined: 5/21/2009
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Posted: 10/28/2009 1:39:46 PM
yna6,

if it were legalized, then that would set a huge precedent to be used in legalising cocaine/ heroin/designer drugs/...

just imagine, hopping a plane and the captain comes on the intercom: "Good evening and thankyou for flying with us. The crew and I are flying at 21,000 feet, and will start to taxi down the tarmac and wait for the buzz to take effect.

We'll do our job in getting you in the air, and then you can pull out a fat one and join us."

Most comforting isn't it?!

And if you make any provision to exclude anyone, then, they have a legal right to take you to court because you are trampling their legal right to use the drug at anytime, working or not! And then they will accuse you of stepping on their civil liberties.

And then let's talk about surgeons toking before an op to mellow out from the stress of surgery that is going to begin when you get into the O.R.

or your kid's bus driver taking speed/ meth/....
or a service member taking a rifle after toking, then shooting it in a crowd for kicks
or the Police not coming to your house to catch a rapist in the act, cause that would harsh their mellow!

Still think it's a good idea?

would it truly be a boon to the economy? or just a Pandora's Box !



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 xxxDINOxxx
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Posted: 10/28/2009 1:48:59 PM
Msg 11, actually no, because certainly not all pot legalization advocates (myself included) would ever favor the legalization of "harder" or synthetic drugs (coke, heroin, meth, etc.). I don't think very many people are rallying behind that banner. It's pot legalization, and only pot, that is usually the issue. And we're having a hard enough time with that. The harder drugs could literally never (and arguably should not ever) be legalized. Certainly driving (much less flying) under the influence would remain just as illegal as it is now. And Dasein yes, I agree, the slippery slope arguments are inherently weak. It's the same with the gay marriage issue. Bring it up, and next thing you know someone says, Yes but then someone will marry their sheep.... Well, no not really, see no one's talking about making interspecial marriages legal......
 JWG86
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Posted: 10/28/2009 1:53:52 PM

This is what sucks about living in Texas. We never get any of the 'cool' laws. If UHC goes with a state by state option, we won't get that either.


We also don't get any of the crap laws either, like, we can have 30 round magazines, flash-hiders, whatever. SBS, SBR, Silencers, etc.

We have the castle doctrine.

We have plenty of good laws that support freedom of the people and not totalitarian control by the government.

*I saw "We" as I used to live in TX and LA is much the same.
 JWG86
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Posted: 10/28/2009 1:54:45 PM

did CH107 ever tell you about all the poor **stards who went to jail for a joint? or lost their jobs? or their kids? who can't pass a background check now?


Nope, cop let the guy go after he gave him the info. Now I am not saying "smoke pot, noone will care", I am just saying they don't go looking for it normally. Use common sense of course.
 yna6
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Posted: 10/28/2009 4:35:50 PM
Dale...have to disagree. We already have laws and regulations dealing with booze, and prescription drug use on the job. Even cigarette smoking. So, I can't see where pot wouldn't fit in.
It may well open the doors to harder drug use....I personally believe that pot IS a gateway drug. Simply becasue it does seem to be. Dang near every stoner who uses coke or some such started with pot, and figured "Maybe I'll get higher!" or "Pot didn't kill me, why should this?" Also, since they already have the mindset that it isn't harming anyone else (basically a victimless crime) then they should feel entitled to do it. Their body, their choice.
I'd like to see the gov't take them to task for that. Fine...their body...doesn't mean the taxpayer has to foot the bill for rehab or health issues directly caused by their use. But...a "civilized society" seems to be based on getting these people back into "normal functional society", then cutting them loose. Some places have sanctioned state run "shooting galleries" and needle exchange programs. People point to Amsterdam where drugs are freely sold, and state foolish things like "It works there...they consider drug use a health issue not a crime!" True, they do...but who pays? The taxpayer. Seems most "workers" there pay a LOT more in taxes than we ever have and a lot of it goes to the minority that can't even straighten themselves out.
I guess when a druggie wants their fix it doesn't matter where the money comes from either. Prostitution, muggings, break and enters, home invasions....hard drug use leads to more serious crimes. Simple facts. Some places even forbid pawn shops from opening up simply because of the criminal element they attract.
"Guilt through association"....perhaps.....but also, perhaps, it is time people took more responsibility into their own hands for their behaviour, and were held to task for it too!
 Dale 09
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Posted: 10/28/2009 5:45:43 PM
wudger,


Tobacco does kill, I agree!

there are laws for both booze, and tobacco to curb their use, yet teens still start smoking and drinking then get behind the wheel of a car, 4 wheeler, boats, ....

cops/authorities have the dreadful job of telling a family that their mother/father/ siblings/ was in an "accident" and they are dead or maybe if their "lucky", that they are in the emergency room/O.R. !

The laws are there, people just choose to ignore them, or think "nuthin' " will happen to me!!! but statistics do not lie.

just imagine the havok legalising MJ would just absolutely have in the home/office/job /truckin' /.....

or would you go the route of putting restrictions on who could use them, which just makes the blackmarkets expand.

or maybe you would just use a "li'l" at home. then when you have kids, there will be a dramatic increase of birth defects/mental disorders/physiologic atrophy just cause you wanted to light one up " a few times" .

you talk of all the violent crimes that are fueled by booze. ok then when a person is jonesin' for the next high, they would just go and get some from the legal pusher right?

but if they spent all there money already guess what that person would most likely do;
go to work to earn the money OR mugg someone in the street for the money for the next high. then when they're high, commit a more violent crime, like rape, just for the heck of it.

we do have a major problem with booze. but would you add infinitely more problems by legalising narcotics?

Or maybe make a law to give druggies/boozers gov't funds to pay for the drug, cause it's legal to use, and you don't want them commiting crimes to get the money. It just adds more and more crimes cause they are toking even more, and run through the funds uncle sam gave them for more drugs...

OH, but we could raise the tax on the drugs, and then give them more money so they slow down on their use... been there done that!

let alone the health/ medical maladies that are going to increase because of the drugs effecting the users health....

or maybe you think UHC will take care of them, like they will the obese/smokers/ elderly/ newborn fetus' that they euthanise to keep costs down by not treating them!


Do you really think it's such a hot idea now?




Dale
 yna6
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Posted: 10/29/2009 8:16:13 AM
Wudger...
Why did I leave out booze and cigs? Cause they ARE legal. Don't you know the difference between what IS legal now and what is NOT?
Since when are hard core drug users incarcerated? Didn't know they were. Unless they were committing crimes to get their drug of choice.
Why wouldn't druggies steal to support their habit, legal or not? (People steal to get booze and cigs...which are legal....)The price is still there! Hello....they'd STILL have to pay for it. Think for a second the gov't would bring the price down? Good lord...where would be the tax advantage to that?
Nobody ever died of heroin withdrawal? Huh? I've never heard of a case where anyone died that quit smoking. Or quit drinking. There are ways to do both that are safer than "cold turkey". Get with it.How about an overdose? How about getting killed while stoned?
Sorry Wudger....you almost sound as if you are trying to justify drug use, saying "It's only as bad as...what's out there now!" Unfortunately, most people KNOW it is not. It is far worse. Not to mention the fact that as far as illegal substance abuse is concerned, it affects more and more people yearly!
Legalizing pot could lead to legalizing other things.
Perhaps the idea of treating it as a health problem could be used as a model for legalization purposes. Perhaps that is buried in the agenda of the healthcare reforms in the US right now. Anyone know anything about that?

I'm just not sure I'd want to be trusting the person working next to me if they are stoned. Doesn't matter what job I'm on. As is...if they were drinking, I wouldn't trust them, and can have them removed form the job in order to make the workplace safer.
We'd need rules in place about drug use on the job. Having seen it for myself, I know what can happen when some coke-head is running a machine and it fouls up.
 imalwayssmiling
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Posted: 11/2/2009 3:21:15 PM
Not having it legal shows how stupid our country can be.

Oh and for the other comment of a joint not being an anything,I live in Sheriff Arpeio country and you can do 3 months in tent city for a joint,yes its a large hot tent behind razor wire in the desert heat, summers average 115 degrees,but I understand the tents are much more hot,Arpeio states 140 degrees ,hey he gives a fan for the doorway.

What a waste of police time,money and energy,what a waste of city funds,what a waste of jail space,what a waste of a guards time.No one has ever OD'd off pot,ever.I'm not saying they should make alcohol illegal,but it would make more sense,its at least 20 times more damaging than pot.Pots down on record as being perhaps the most rounded plant in existence,never a finer machine oil,or a stronger fiber material,or a better rope,or a better weed for energy,and perhaps holds the record for plant with the most medicinal uses,saving us 100s of billions on pharmaceuticals we would not have to buy.

Oh god forbid you use pot for pain when they can use a prescription heroin instead.Like I said it just shows how stupid our country can be,and just how much we let the christian,conservative moral majority influence our lives,no matter how stupid it actually is.
 Strings6
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Posted: 11/2/2009 3:35:02 PM
Legalize all of it,i'm sick of paying to protect fools from themselves...and just in case anyone thinks we are protected from the fools with the current laws...we are not.
 imalwayssmiling
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Posted: 11/2/2009 5:33:04 PM
I have no idea why its not decriminalized period,its works better than like 126 prescription drugs being sold by the drug industry,there was no better material,rope,oil,and talk about cheap oil at that, if commercially grown,do you realize we could fuel our autos with it,it would end our dependence in other countries oil.There has never been one death associated to marijuana use period,thats an actual fact.Its not addictive,you cannot OD from it,its a medical miracle,and decriminalizing it would free up our prisons for putting in actual criminals,roughly 70 % of our prisoners are in for pot,which costs tens of billions in everything from Apache helicopters to all the task forces,prison guards and jails and prisons.Wow that would be enough to easily handle the cost of any medical reform we ever dream of doing but never had the money.

I say slap a tax on it likes cigs and there you go.It has to be the most rounded multi use plant ever put on this planet by God,its as if God had a master plan with this ,good for everything plant !

When you do research on it ,as to why its been criminalized, it has more to do with everything else but it being a party favor,its more about control,alcohol lobbyist,prescription drug lobbyists,Nixon taking the heat off of the war,even big money items like thousands and thousands of jobs created just to fight it and house the prisoners,Private prisons,which are the majority,is real big money.Pretty much every reason in history had to do with everything other than a party favor.

Why should we have a medicine that grows like a weed that works better than 126 drugs prescribed now, losing billions in sales for those poor prescription drug manufacturers,even the drug testing is a waste according to the DEA,pot stays in the system for up to 30 days and all the hard drugs stay in for 24 hours,the DEA said all it teaches kids are if we do the harder drugs on the weekend I will pass my drug test on Monday.Majority of drug testing places state that also,because they complain that all the test ever shows is the pot smoker,the guy just in an accident at work shows positive for marijuana,that voided his workmans comp and he might of only smoked it on a long weekend camping trip 3 weeks earlier. Wake up people ! If this was about our health then Alcohol would have been criminalized and eradicated years ago,besides no prohibition has ever worked,never in history,ever !

Hows our war on drugs now,hows that workin out ! Fact the very first prohibition was a bust,it involved two people and even that failed.God forbid Adam and Eve from eating a forbidden fruit,that's the first recorded prohibition and it failed, so has every other one ever done throughout history,yet will still have new batches of new goody two shoes dumb enough to continue on with stuff that doesn't work.lets work on something bad,lets put our energy into something bad and stop wasting valuable jail space and valuable police officers time on something as petty as marijuana,like our courts are not busy enough we need to pursue something as extremely petty and harmless as marijuana.

Its should be held high on a pedestal as the greatest multi use plant in existence,think hard of what plant has more uses, dare you !

Its stated all the time that everybody then will smoke pot,well that's nonsense,the cities leaders in the Netherlands were interviewed about the change of the drug law,they stated ,oh my god,we're in trouble,the whole world is going to come here to live and party now.They then told of how wrong they were of that within the first two years,crimes went down drastically ,police had time to go after the actual real criminals,HIV was reduced significantly ,the saving they made they put into education.

They found that mostly those that smoked or used continued too ,and there was no significant rise in usage.They said they also allowed the hard core person to come into the clinics and get a shot,which almost stopped violent home invasions because before that a junkie was forced to rob daily,and by controlling the needle,they controlled AIDS.Such a small amount of needle users find life so hopeless that they shoot up,so the numbers stayed the same,slight.The violent drug gang trouble slowed way down since the value was removed and it no longer took a mafia to supply you.

The Netherlands said it was one of the best things they ever did,and they are a case study being studied for decades now.Like A US doctor said that advocated drug use legalized,she said whether Coke was legal or not,she still wouldn't even try it.Thats same with me with current things we have in society, legal or not,I never have nor never have had any desire to be with a prostitute,but I could care less if they are around,freedom of choice,if you took the back alley stigma off it,it could be safely regulated,and health regulated and then buh bye to the violent pimp,heck,it could be in a mall spa,open only to 18 and over,like a mall bar currently is,or just like a dental or doctors office .See these extreme conservative Christian fears that if things are available, everyone will do it,because apparently man has no control,that bull,thats nonsense and its an ignorant thought !

If a priest had a wife,especially since the Bible makes no reference to not being able to,then you'd not have so many perverts in the church.Celibacy and prohibitions to not and have never ever worked.By restricting a normal part of life you only made it nasty and forbidden.You caused the problem.

The western world is full of prudes !
 davidsauvignon
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Posted: 11/2/2009 8:02:37 PM
Not sure the proper term...ironic?...hypocritical? Anyways...

Of the 7 posters on this thread overtly advocating legalization, only 1 person had the balls to state on their profile they do drugs...

So, it's merely more of the same ol' "do as I say, not as I do" crapola...even though it's preached on these boards day after day, "watch what they do, rather than what they say".





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 imalwayssmiling
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:19:14 PM
What planet are you from
Of the 7 posters on this thread overtly advocating legalization, only 1 person had the balls to state on their profile they do drugs...

So, it's merely more of the same ol' "do as I say, not as I do" crapola...even though it's preached on these boards day after day, "watch what they do, rather than what they say".
Are you trying to say that one needs to do heroin to understand whether the war on drugs is a total waste of 100s of billions or a shining exemplary example of a successful strategy.Did you have to be a drinker to completely understand that prohibition did not work in fact it was the direct reason the Mafia got its foothold,so thank the goody two shoes for the mafia.Are you trying to say that a person should forgo a job because he would rather smoke pot than pass a required drug test to have a job and feed his family as if its even the companies right to know what a person did on a weekend camping trip twice a year.Are you suggesting that the DEA that says the war on drugs is making very little headway,billions of dollars later ,that they ,the DEA,all need to be on drugs to understand.

In what world do you live where it states one needs to have extensive personal and book knowledge of drugs to understand that most cities main goal is actually confiscation laws,it makes them,tens of millions,its legal robbery.Do I need to quote actual dollar amounts of what this country spends on housing marijuana users,how much money we spend on those Apache helicopters ,and on DEA training Colombian soldiers and how much money we give Mexico,and for what,they're still lopping off heads and placing them on the doorsteps of Town Hall,and why,Because it has great value,its illegal,we made a war around it,we have armies for it,we have created a price so high,they cut off heads to vie for positioning of who can sell it.

If marijuana was in cigarette packs with the same tax as cigarettes we would not have this problem,we don't war over cigarettes,nor did we war over Coke when it was just in a bottle a Coke.All these drugs used to be legal until the perfect conservative and religious persons demanded they be heard and created this hell they call inner city gangs and a war on drugs,what morons,we should be able to hold them criminally liable for causing so much harm.

Heck,much of the original fear based hype was racial,the preacher would say,why if the black man smokes marijuana,he's going to rape your child,The first actual nail put on pot was the leaders charging a tax to grow it,it grew from there,and the lies told of black man worked well into the stories of evil,surrounding the weed and helping to keep the black man in his proper place,as far a fine upstanding church going Klan type citizens were concerned.Ignorant people and political types more in fear of losing there standing since the war on drugs was how they originally got elected,and a whole economy of policing,housing of,and war and pharmaceuticals are about the only ones now that protest it. That's quite a group.Just the privatized prison lobbyists would put up a great fight,to much money loss.That's the short sighted view though.
 davidsauvignon
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Posted: 11/2/2009 9:32:01 PM

Are you trying to say that one needs to do heroin to understand whether the war on drugs is a total waste of 100s of billions or a shining exemplary example of a successful strategy.

Hmm, let me go check the thread title again...yep, I was right...it says "marijuana", not "heroin". So what are you saying? All drugs should be legal?


Did you have to be a drinker to completely understand that prohibition did not work in fact it was the direct reason the Mafia got its foothold,so thank the goody two shoes for the mafia

LOL..."it" also was the direct reason we now have NASCAR...for some reason though, I seem to be drawing a distinction between an organized crime outfit and a highly regulated sports industry.


All these drugs used to be legal until the perfect conservative and religious persons demanded they be heard and created this hell they call inner city gangs and a war on drugs,what morons,we should be able to hold them criminally liable for causing so much harm.

Yeah, that's pretty typical for a liberal...blame the purporters of laws and law enforcement rather than the perpertrators of the crimes. Okay, okay...let's just legalize it all...as long as your on board to be held criminally and financially liable for whatever increase in crime is a result...deal? Yeah, didn't think so...






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 imalwayssmiling
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Posted: 11/2/2009 11:01:31 PM

Hmm, let me go check the thread title again...yep, I was right...it says "marijuana", not "heroin". So what are you saying? All drugs should be legal?
the only reason you have crime related to it is the profit,all drugs used to be legal.For starters its regulated in modern times like alcohol are cigarettes,a war on drug and the money spent goes beyond this thread,its all related.You clearly and ignorantly stated one needs to do the drug if they are to talk of the drug as state opinion as what to do,if not,among a list of things then they are hypocrites,your words not mine,I just pointed out how ignorant that was.
LOL..."it" also was the direct reason we now have NASCAR...for some reason though, I seem to be drawing a distinction between an organized crime outfit and a highly regulated sports industry.
are you daft,NASCAR is not a criminal enterprise,so your saying that well we got the MAFIA from it but look on the bright side,shine runners started pro racing.this clearly, if you read it, explained how no prohibition of any type ever worked in fact when ever put into effect it blossomed illegal enterprises,heck it almost established all the Mexican border towns for prostitution and booze.If you think the war on drugs is not connected to all these things your not thinking correctly.Prohibition on marijuana has the same effect as booze.
Yeah, that's pretty typical for a liberal...blame the purporters of laws and law enforcement rather than the perpertrators of the crimes. Okay, okay...let's just legalize it all...as long as your on board to be held criminally and financially liable for whatever increase in crime is a result...deal? Yeah, didn't think so...
there you go with ignorant statements again,I already stated the fight is a horrible waste of good police time,valuable jail space,and 100s of billions of dollars,you tell why such laws are still in effect,as long as we have ones like you,that have twisted thoughts like you,it will all stay illegal,and we will break our country financially and gangs here only expand because its illegal and has tremendous money value and will continue to ruin our once good way of life,after all the money buys more UZIs and Glocks.As for held liable,this is ones personal choice,you ever heard of drinkin and drivin laws,don't hold me liable because some adult gave no concern to the safety of others and drove drunk or drove higher than a kite.You act like laws cannot be followed by those over 18,will some still do a DUI,yes.You also forget to learn from history as to why marijuana is illegal in the first place and no where in history does it have anything to do with it being a party favor.You are the typical out of reach,narrow sighted,closed minded,person with blinders on as to why we waste 100s of Billions on a lost cause,sir,I'm starting to think your a conservative republican with such bad for the country thoughts,after all it was their logic and majority control for the last 20 years that got us here ,the country in ruin and also got us here on the drug war.
 imalwayssmiling
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Posted: 11/2/2009 11:23:11 PM

however, to make it completely legal, allowing marijuana bars/cafes, like in Amsterdam, to be set up all over the country, that would be a problem.
agreed with 85% of what you said,it was current and informed,I do though disagree on this point ,I believe it would be just like bars with alcohol ,just as a bar cannot let you drink till your in the ozone,same would apply for pot.Mexico has just made personal use pot legal in small amounts realizing its not worth the billions to fight something so petty where as the money is better spent going after the kingpins that lop off heads and the problem is actually in Meth and hards drugs like it.Hey take the value off this stuff and people do not lop off heads.They also tired of us having the gall to tell them how to live,basically they flipped us off,good for them !

In Oregon a cop would dump out your bag in front of your eyes just to piss you off ,he'd have a sly smirk on his face,then tell you to run along and stay out of trouble,here in Arizona a bag would get you a criminal record,and maybe a year in jail,depending on the judge.I'm a good boy as an adult but sure did partake in pot alot many many many years ago.Thats why I know its a nothing drug,in fact making it illegal is a joke,that is if the law did not ruin so many lives.The law have nothing to do with your health otherwise chocolate chip cookies and deserts would get you a year in the pen if this was about personal health,as if big brother is looking out for us,nonsense,The War on drugs is mad mad money,you can run small countries on the money we spend on the drug war.
 yna6
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Posted: 11/3/2009 8:38:58 AM

hard core drug users get incarcerated all the time. hello. reality calling. possession is a CRIME

They have what is known as "safe houses" for illegal drug use. Gov't sponsored, clean needles. No ID required. It'd be pretty simple to make the odd arrset right there for "possession", now wouldn't it? But do they? No. I would suggest that the persons who DO get busted for "simple possession" either pleaded down form a more serious crime, OR threw an attitude at the authorities and earned their own incarceration.
Also, enforced rehab is NOT an option used here, because it violates the persons rights.
The whole point I was trying to make was that ONE "small illegal act" can, and often does to further illegal acts. Not always. OF course not. But often enough. Someone toking up a bit after work to "relieve the stresses of the day" is an illegal act. Who does it harm? Probably nobody. (Except for the whole idea of smoking anyways...but let's set that bit aside for now.) Ok....said guy gets tired of paying for good weed and decides to grow his own. Another illegal act. He finds he has a bit of surplus, and decides to sell a bit off to "friends", or perhaps just give it away. Again...another illegal act. All from some guy just wanting to relax a bit after work. See how easy it gets worse and worse?

Then, get into the ones who want to get totally blitzed. Mix a bit of hash oil into the pot, or smear some on the papers. Where they getting the oil? I've see vials of that stuff with white streaks of another drug swirled into it. "Ahhh....that won't hurt ya...but it'll be a great toke!". Surrrrre....

Justifying behaviour patterns is a great little passtime for anyone with a drug habit. Or a booze habit. Or cigs. They can justify their actions to themselves and cannot understand when others object. Even to the point of justifying illegal acts, not only to themselves but their immmediate peer group.

Perhaps by keeping "legal" actions, (like drinking alcohol, but NOT to the point of public intoxication) and smoking a cig (where legal) out of the discussion at all would help.
They ARE legal. Pot isn't. Comparing the two doesn't add up quite right.

Some places already have "booze and work" rules. Drinking on the job can mean immediate dismissal in some places. Try lighting up a cig in your work place...see what happens. This "protects" the others in the workplace. Would we see a lot of people failing a breathalyzer test when they show up for their shift at work? Probably for the first two days...then they'd simply stop drinking before work. Unless they want to get their butts fired.
I've seen drug use at work and it is far harder to prove that....except for some cases of work performance. Would I trust some stoner in the workplace who is high? No. I don't. No more so than I'd be trusting someone who was drunk!

As soon as they have a roadside test for drugs, such as they have for booze, I can see them legalizing pot. It is simply a matter of time. Even the big drug companies cannot offer the gov't more money to keep pot illegal.
As far as hemp is concerned....so far the lobbyists for wood pulp (paper) and cotton, etc have done a rather fair job of keeping it out of the marketplace as a viable crop. Fuel from it certainly wouldn't go much further (if as far as) the current crops used for making alternative fuels. Rope? There are better alternatives already in place for that.

I see a lot of posters stating that some of us "don't know the issues". Well...some of us do. Some of us see more the social issues involved (which directly concern us) as opposed to the monetary and "power" issues which "could" affect our lifestyles, but not as directly as some of the social issues.
 yna6
Joined: 1/21/2007
Msg: 42
legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?
Posted: 11/3/2009 1:11:29 PM
Canada...Vancouver for one. The States? Probably not as far along socially as Canada is. Wouldn't know about a safe house there.
Most provinces have a needle exchange system. Humanitarian reasons.
I still can't see why the gov't would reduce prices on any drugs if they took control of the growing and distribution networks. They don't in Canada. The licensed growers make a good living at it supplying medical pot. They have to have security systems and such in place and a clean record, etc. They have to grow only a certain amount with a certain potency too. There is better quality out there...but this IS for medical use.
 xxxDINOxxx
Joined: 8/12/2009
Msg: 43
legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?
Posted: 11/3/2009 1:51:23 PM
The only "second thought" I've had about legalizing pot has been from looking at a place like Arcata, CA. Where it is already essentially legal for all practical purposes (well, let's say it's fully legal for anyone with a medical recommendation card, and I guess many many people have them now...many more than just cancer and AIDS patients; so you can grow your own medical marijuana there now, within a certain limit technically, and you can buy it freely at various pharmacy-type stores there, with your card, and so on). I'm certainly in favor of legal medical marijuana for those who really need it and find that it helps. But there in Arcata for instance some of the residents are saying the town has basically gone to the dogs since the medical pot / pot-growing legalization. These people go there now, from all around the country, and rent houses (mostly they rent them it seems), and then proceed to virtually destroy them and render them eventually uninhabitable (mold, etc), by growing massive amounts of weed there -- amounts which easily exceed the medically allowed amounts.

It was always a peaceful town, and now they've had what amount to drug houses popping up there in their neighborhod, sleazy people showing up to buy at all hours of the night, several violent crimes, they've got people that are basically drug dealers taking advantage of the looser atmosphere there, with vicious pit bulls guarding their houses, guns all over the place, etc. So some of them are saying it's kind of been "ghettoizing" their town. Some people are ready to move out of this town they've lived in for 25+ yrs just because of the drug problems/ drug violence, etc. So I was thinking if we legalized it all over (purely hypothetical because it's not going to realistically happen here anyway), would this possibly be the case in other towns or cities across the country? I mean, legal or not, who really wants a pot house (ie, a house specifically bought or rented with the purpose of growing and selling), and all the "elements" that inevitably brings around, right next door to their house in the suburbs??
 Dale 09
Joined: 5/21/2009
Msg: 44
legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?
Posted: 11/3/2009 3:14:51 PM
DINO,


I AGREE with your "second thought". there are too many that will, if given the chance, go after the dollar and not care about anything else.

Bigger Bank Accounts are what drives a whole lot of misery. I'll give you this though, for chemo radiation patients, glaucoma,and quite a few other "Bona Fide" medical conditions/treatments canabis relieves so many side effects/ pain.

On this I believe that pot should be legal, and handled through the medical establishment only.

Even if it means outsourcing to farmers. though I would like to see diligent record keeping on the yield/sold accountability part of things.



Dale
 Strings6
Joined: 7/14/2007
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legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?
Posted: 11/3/2009 3:20:27 PM
The drug laws are not for the protection of anyone other than organized crime,and to placate the useful idiots who get their jollies by seeing the constitution shredded and knowing that somebody somewhere is having their lives ruined because they did something a control freak didn't like.
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