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 Stormwolf
Joined: 2/23/2009
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I wish to get other views about the decision President Obama
faces to add 40,000 more troops to Afghanistan. I'm on the fence
about this decision and would love to hear opinions to possibly
support or denounce this decision if indeed tomorrow night
Obama decides to go with the increase. I have read many Mainstream
Media opinions, however, I never trust any of those. I do have respect
for Michael Moore and his open letter to Obama. This insert in particular:

It is not your job to do what the generals tell you to do. We are a civilian-run government. WE tell the Joint Chiefs what to do, not the other way around. That's the way General Washington insisted it must be. That's what President Truman told General MacArthur when MacArthur wanted to invade China. "You're fired!," said Truman, and that was that. And you should have fired Gen. McChrystal when he went to the press to preempt you, telling the press what YOU had to do. Let me be blunt: We love our kids in the armed services, but we f*#&in' hate these generals, from Westmoreland in Vietnam to, yes, even Colin Powell for lying to the UN with his made-up drawings of WMD (he has since sought redemption).

So now you feel backed into a corner. 30 years ago this past Thursday (Thanksgiving) the Soviet generals had a cool idea -- "Let's invade Afghanistan!" Well, that turned out to be the final nail in the USSR coffin.

There's a reason they don't call Afghanistan the "Garden State" (though they probably should, seeing how the corrupt President Karzai, whom we back, has his brother in the heroin trade raising poppies). Afghanistan's nickname is the "Graveyard of Empires." If you don't believe it, give the British a call. I'd have you call Genghis Khan but I lost his number. I do have Gorbachev's number though. It's + 41 22 789 1662. I'm sure he could give you an earful about the historic blunder you're about to commit.


If we don't increase troops, are we endangering the brave Americans
currently fighting in Afganistan? Or are we just sending more brave Americans
to there deaths? This is one Damn tough decision for this country.
What do you think Obama should do?
 hard starboard
Joined: 6/21/2008
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An Open Letter to Obama from Michael Moore.
Posted: 11/30/2009 4:57:34 PM

What do you think Obama should do?

I think he should wad up that letter and toss it in the trash because he is smarter than Michael Moore.
 Stormwolf
Joined: 2/23/2009
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An Open Letter to Obama from Michael Moore.
Posted: 12/1/2009 8:14:56 AM
@ Sweet Le Senza,
Your restrictions make it impossible for me to email you,
however, thanks for the MM link!
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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An Open Letter to Obama from Michael Moore.
Posted: 12/1/2009 8:28:37 AM
Ummmmm ... I guess we'll all just have accept that "War is Peace".

Supposedly, going to war puts people to work, they pay their bills and spend their money and pay their taxes that buy the war materials that the people go to work to make.

That would work except we are no longer making our own war materials ... we contract that out to third world nations.

So War is Peace for the third world nations.

In the meantime, we just go bankrupt paying for a war that is killing off the most healthy of our citizens. If not that, maiming and mutilating them so that when they do return home they're nothing but worthless pieces of flesh who (as badly as they'd like to) can't even work to support their once thriving family ... because there are no jobs and the war has left them either mentally ill or physically incapable of finding one.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
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An Open Letter to Obama from Michael Moore.
Posted: 12/1/2009 7:45:57 PM
I have no respect for Michael Moore, but in this case he happens to be right. The reasons for going in were dodgy, at best. A bunch of Saudis attacked us on 9/11 so we invade Afghanistan and Iraq. We've really fvcked things up in the Middle East (even moreso than they were before) and the best thing we can do is get out.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
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An Open Letter to Obama from Michael Moore.
Posted: 12/4/2009 11:47:04 PM


preemptive war- NOT immoral ???
gee the bush doctrine
lives on...


Pre-emtive war is like pre-emtive self-defense. There's no moral reason why I can't engage in self-defense before I get punched in the nose. The key point is that there must be a clear and present danger before I can engage in pre-emptive self-defense/war. I fully agree with you, though, that this was not the case with Iraq or Afghanistan. I think we should get out as fast as we can and let the Iraqis and Afghanistanis fix our mess.
 imalwayssmiling
Joined: 7/17/2009
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An Open Letter to Obama from Michael Moore.
Posted: 1/2/2010 7:25:44 AM
I don't believe that letter was a legitimate letter from Michael Moore,I highly doubt if he'd drop F bombs on the president,I see no problem with Michael,we need whistle blowers like him,just like how the original 20/20s worked,and 48 hours and Geraldo they told you of stuff you never would have heard about no matter what sensationalistic edge they put on it.

Anyways since a war was already in progress and no plans with it on how to proceed ,Obama had to have a plan even as an exit,Promises were made to those people over there by Bush and if you pack and go to quickly can you get many innocents killed,far more than what number dies now.Anyone remember the killing fields in Vietnam,we made those promises,work with us and we'll take care of us,then Nixon says its time to go NOW,and we run and then the Khmer Rouge comes in and kills millions of those that supported us.

In this case we have been trained the police and army in Iraq and giving them a count down,so they have warning and just need to prepare,but we are not leaving in a race as with Vietnam with like a half day notice,and the same with Afghanistan.He never once said we were leaving afghanistan in his election,he said he would have all his experts keep him abreast of the situation and they would do as what was needed,we are already fighting with small groups of specialists in Pakistan where the Taliban resides.

His time frame is not exact as it would be impossible to be with any president, but he is doing exactly as he said.
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