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 susan_cd
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Here's the story from the paper:


Driver charged after series of collisions
By WINNIPEG SUN 14th December 2009

A 22-year-old man is facing numerous charges related to a string of motor vehicle collisions Saturday morning.
The first occurred about 8:45 a.m. near Portage Avenue and Donald Street when a vehicle collided with a city bus and fled.

FAILED TO STOP

Then, about 15 minutes later, police were called to a second collision at Portage Avenue and Maryland Street, where the suspect vehicle ran into the back of another vehicle and again fled.

About 9:15 a.m. the suspect vehicle, travelling south on Maryland Street, failed to stop at a red light at Westminster Avenue, struck another vehicle and caused two others to collide.

The suspect again attempted to flee but was taken into custody and arrested after being treated in hospital for minor injuries.

RELEASED

One male from the second collision was taken to hospital in stable condition.

The 22-year-old arrested faces charges of refusing a breath demand, failure to provide a blood sample, failure to remain at the scene of a motor vehicle collision causing bodily harm and driving without a licence.

He was released on a promise to appear, meaning charges haven't been formally laid.


3 collisions, fled the accident scene twice, tried to flee the 3rd time but was stopped, and injured a man in the 2nd collision. Refusing a breathalyzer, didn't provide a blood sample, fled accident scenes, driving without a license.....

AND THEY RELEASED HIM ON A PROMISE TO APPEAR??????

Who the heck is the justice ( .. knew I couldn't keep a straight face).... the legal system protecting here? Obviously not the general public.

Makes ya wonder, is this driver the son of a cop, or maybe some judge's kid? I guess he didn't collide with or injure any judge, judge's relative, or anyone related to a cop.
 TooShadows
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Posted: 12/15/2009 5:06:18 AM
Sure,we all think he should have been immediately executed for this,but look at the facts. He didn't kill anyone. That would have landed him in jail,but he's not likely to be put in jail for simple collisions,even is someone was hurt. At least that's the way I see it,and yes,it is unfortunate.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
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Posted: 12/15/2009 7:41:56 AM

Sure,we all think he should have been immediately executed for this




No, but his actions have already demonstrated he has no respect for the law, so why would they believe he'd honour a "promise to appear" after being released?

Now, if he paid some substantial amount of cash for the release & promise; said cash being forfeited if he failed to appear then OK. But just a promise to appear after all his demonstrated disregard for the law???
 SmartAlec
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Posted: 12/16/2009 5:33:17 AM
I was on union business with someone who works in Justice and he was telling me that this slap on the wrist stuff is causing inmates to gloat and go what the hell .... why not. Very frustrating for those that work with young offenders.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
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Posted: 12/16/2009 8:18:50 AM
Obviously we need to change the law & make vehicle theft a felony with a minimum sentence ( say 8 years minimum for the 1st offence, 15 for the 2nd). Also since it's so obvious that these car thiefs are such a risk to others on the road, the police should be able to use deadly force when they encounter a stolen vehicle... little Johnny or Jane won't be stealing anymore vehicles when they're scraping their corpses off the pavement or dragging them out of the cars.


Going back to the original post that started this thread, if the useless f**k they released on a "promise to appear" gets in another accident with a vehicle & injures me, who do I sue, the judge that released him on the promise to appear or can I make it a general suit against the entire justice system for gross derelection of duty & failingto take steps to ensure the safety of the public. Or if I can't sue them can I at least have them charged as accessories?
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
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Posted: 12/16/2009 8:27:15 PM

You can't fault a man for doing his job if he if following the rules and guidelines he is restricted to.


I don't blame the police, I have no doubt they're as P****d off about the system's "catch & release" program. Unfortunately that won't be changed until the rich b*****ds start having their children killed by the young criminals.

Youths who audibly break wind, spits, or uses foul language in public ( as 3 exmples) are young offenders. Youths who steal cars, commit B & E, etc are young criminals.
 susan_cd
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Posted: 12/18/2009 8:45:18 AM
They've made a second arrest in the "Hummer" murder :

Here's what the Free Press had to say.


WINNIPEG - Police have arrested a 17-year-old member of Winnipeg’s most prolific family of car thieves in their ongoing probe of last week’s deadly stolen Hummer crash, the Free Press has learned.

The boy – who can’t be named under the Youth Criminal Justice Act – was picked up Wednesday evening. He has been charged with several offences including manslaughter, despite the fact he wasn’t the alleged driver of the vehicle which slammed into a car, killing 47-year-old Zdzislaw Andrzejczak.

WINNIPEG - Police have arrested a 17-year-old member of Winnipeg’s most prolific family of car thieves in their ongoing probe of last week’s deadly stolen Hummer crash, the Free Press has learned.

The boy – who can’t be named under the Youth Criminal Justice Act – was picked up Wednesday evening. He has been charged with several offences including manslaughter, despite the fact he wasn’t the alleged driver of the vehicle which slammed into a car, killing 47-year-old Zdzislaw Andrzejczak.

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Police believe an 18-year-old man was behind the wheel. He was arrested Monday and remains in custody. He has previously been linked to a 2008 stole vehicle crash in which a Winnipeg cab driver was killed.

Police are still searching for the third occupant of the Hummer, who is alleged to be a cousin of the 17-year-old.

The 17-year-old boy and his three cousins, ages 17, 19 and 21, have racked up more than 200 convictions in the past five years but clearly haven't been deterred by the criminal consequences. They include numerous counts of car theft, dangerous driving, fleeing the police and possessing stolen goods, along with dozens of court breaches.

The family’s lawyer, Lori Van Dongen, told the Free Press the youngest brother recently got out of jail. His girlfriend hung herself while he was in custody, leaving behind their infant child, who is now being raised by her family.

His 19-year-old brother has also been out of custody, but the 21-year-old is in Stony Mountain penitentiary serving a five-year sentence for crimes including a high-speed police chase in which he drove over boulevards, ran stop signs and red lights and drove into oncoming traffic while going more than 30 km/h over the speed limit.

Police sources say the family members routinely laugh off their arrests and joke about how fast they can drive their stolen cars in an attempt to evade arrest.

The 17-year-old brother once told a probation officer at the age of 12 how it was "fun" to drive a stolen car at high speeds towards oncoming traffic.

The three brothers have four other siblings under the age of 13 and police expect to be dealing with them soon, based on the family history.
Manitoba Public Insurance has obtained more than $200,000 in judgments against the family members, including one for $100,000 in 2007 following one of the city's worst property- crime sprees in recent history that also involved all of the boys.

In the span of just a few weeks, beginning in late 2004, the group was responsible for stealing five cars, three of which were written off, and damaging 38 others, including a police car that was destroyed in a high-speed crash.

They also sent one car smashing through the window of an empty River Heights apartment block by pinning down the accelerator with a brick, an incident the realtor handling the building described as an act of "terrorism." The group also left numerous senior citizens in tears by targeting cars in an underground parkade in North Kildonan for senseless acts of vandalism on Boxing Day 2004.

The family's mother, a crack cocaine addict on welfare, has previously told the Free Press her children are "not scared" of the criminal justice system and she blamed the police for going after them.

"I think the police are just putting a whole bunch of stuff on them. And they beat my boys up real good when they arrested them," she said in the 2005 interview.
Police believe an 18-year-old man was behind the wheel. He was arrested Monday and remains in custody. He has previously been linked to a 2008 stole vehicle crash in which a Winnipeg cab driver was killed.

Police are still searching for the third occupant of the Hummer, who is alleged to be a cousin of the 17-year-old.

The 17-year-old boy and his three cousins, ages 17, 19 and 21, have racked up more than 200 convictions in the past five years but clearly haven't been deterred by the criminal consequences. They include numerous counts of car theft, dangerous driving, fleeing the police and possessing stolen goods, along with dozens of court breaches.

The family’s lawyer, Lori Van Dongen, told the Free Press the youngest brother recently got out of jail. His girlfriend hung herself while he was in custody, leaving behind their infant child, who is now being raised by her family.

His 19-year-old brother has also been out of custody, but the 21-year-old is in Stony Mountain penitentiary serving a five-year sentence for crimes including a high-speed police chase in which he drove over boulevards, ran stop signs and red lights and drove into oncoming traffic while going more than 30 km/h over the speed limit.

Police sources say the family members routinely laugh off their arrests and joke about how fast they can drive their stolen cars in an attempt to evade arrest.

The 17-year-old brother once told a probation officer at the age of 12 how it was "fun" to drive a stolen car at high speeds towards oncoming traffic.

The three brothers have four other siblings under the age of 13 and police expect to be dealing with them soon, based on the family history.
Manitoba Public Insurance has obtained more than $200,000 in judgments against the family members, including one for $100,000 in 2007 following one of the city's worst property- crime sprees in recent history that also involved all of the boys.

In the span of just a few weeks, beginning in late 2004, the group was responsible for stealing five cars, three of which were written off, and damaging 38 others, including a police car that was destroyed in a high-speed crash.

They also sent one car smashing through the window of an empty River Heights apartment block by pinning down the accelerator with a brick, an incident the realtor handling the building described as an act of "terrorism." The group also left numerous senior citizens in tears by targeting cars in an underground parkade in North Kildonan for senseless acts of vandalism on Boxing Day 2004.


So according to the mom, it's not HER fault or the way she raised her little thugs, it's the fault of the police for going after them!?!?!?

I guess her little wastes of oxygen are just stealing vehicles & vandalizing people's property for fun, & if the police left them alone there'd be no problem. Of course the 2 deaths that resulted ( the cab driver & the person murdered by the driver of the stolen Hummer) happened when there was no police pursuit going on... but let's not confuse the brainless breeder ( oops, I mean the mom) with facts & logic.

Is anyone starting a memorial fund for the man who was murdered by the driver of the Hummer? The accused is 18 so he should be going to prison; I'd suggest the fund be amassed & be reserved for the inmate ( or the family of the inmate) who kills the murderer that was driving the Hummer. I'd contribute.
 susan_cd
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Posted: 12/18/2009 10:00:15 AM
[quote} cannot comment on this as that could then be seen as conspiracy and i doubt either of us want to be that involved should this twit turn up dead.

But the $$$ won't be for someone to commit that crime, it'd be for their defence fund after the fact.... course, what they chooseto use th e$$ for is their business...
 susan_cd
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Posted: 12/18/2009 11:25:36 AM
True, but since our legal system has trouble administering justice, we may have to rely on the prison inmates to do it for us.
 arturo_bandini
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Posted: 12/18/2009 1:12:32 PM
You know, Dudley, you and I would probably never agree on anything regarding politics, but once in a while, you do make a reasoned opinion on your views. I can respect someone with a right-wing ideology IF they can be reasonable and see the other side of the fence, which, I admit, is something I can't always do, but I do try. It's not as easy as electing "hang 'em high" politicians to solve the problem, nor does the coddling, white wine socialist view work. That in and of itself is the problem. There needs to be a good balance, as you said, between deterrence and rehabilitation. Sticking to the old standards of the left saying "more counselling is needed" and the right saying that "more incarceration is needed" doesn't work. I honestly believe that the root problem is poverty. If politicians were to work on the root of the problem and be "proactive instead of reactive" as you said, I think this would not be the water cooler issue that it has become.
 arturo_bandini
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Posted: 12/18/2009 1:15:11 PM
I just re-read that post and it really looks wrong, in a grammatical sense. Way too many commas.
 arturo_bandini
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Posted: 12/18/2009 2:21:08 PM
Again, something that you and I can agree on, but for different reasons. I was raised in a blue-collar, left wing environment and I still hold those principles close to my heart. In saying that, however, I believe that the "new" New Democratic Party has lost their way. Instead of being the conscience of the government, the NDP has become a party of special interest groups. Nowhere is this more relevant than in the United States right now. People now are either "left wing" or "right wing". Canada has always prided itself on being able to ride that middle road between capitalism and socialism, which makes us unique and envied by the rest of the world. The United States recent "you're either with us or against us" attitude is something I don't want to see replicated here, and my animosity towards some of your posts (and all of SusanCD's) reflect that. There used to be a time when the word "progressive" in the Progressive Conservative Party and the word "new" in New Democratic Party had meaning. I would simply like to see a return to that.
 jadedoldtramp
Joined: 12/3/2009
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Posted: 12/19/2009 9:20:54 PM
hmm as a "young offender" about 40 years ago ,(we were called juvenile delinquents then) what i dont understand is why they arent raising more of these kids to adult court.at the age of 15 i appeared before a judge after spending 4 months in the youth centre,he gave me probation til i was 18 and very specifically told me "the court has found that you do not suit the juvenile delinquents act as all of your crimes are typical of an adult criminal seeking one thing only ,money, therefore if you appear before this court again you will be raised to adult court and commited to an adult institution such as headingly or stony mountain. that did it for me ,i got a job at mcdonalds and left my thievin ways behind me ,lol.
 susan_cd
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Posted: 3/27/2010 10:21:20 AM
And the beat goes on:

Winnipeg Sun March 25/10 :

Impaired driving charges have been laid against a 33-year-old man, who has at least one previous drunk driving conviction, in the death of a 17-year-old girl in Long Plain First Nation.

Skylar Meeches was riding a bicycle on the southern Manitoba reserve’s main road when she was killed by an alleged drunk driver Tuesday night.

The suspect has a court order barring him from consuming alcohol, according to court records.

Meeches was 10 days shy of her 18th birthday.

Long Plain Chief David Meeches said he fact she died tragically at such a young age is difficult to accept.

“Her family is in total shock and they’re devastated with the loss. Our whole community is,” said the chief, who was a relative of the girl.

He said counselling has been offered to the girl’s family and friends, and to Long Plain’s volunteer firefighters, who were among the first to arrive on scene. The crash occurred on a well-lit stretch of road, he said.

Skylar Meeches was alone and possibly heading to her grandma’s house, he said.

He said the girl was living in Calgary but returned to Long Plain, where she has a large extended family, to visit.

Portage la Prairie RCMP have charged the alleged driver, Derrick Lee Myran, 33, of Long Plain, with impaired driving causing death, driving with a blood-alcohol level over .08 causing death, breach of probation (failing to abstain from alcohol), and five Highway Traffic Act offences.

Police allege Myran doesn’t have a valid driver’s licence, was driving an unregistered vehicle and had open liquor.

According to court records, Myran received a six-month conditional sentence and other penalties in 2003 for an impaired driving incident in which at least one person was injured.

Wonder what slap on the wrist Myran ( how is that pronounced? "moron" ? ) will get this time.
 arturo_bandini
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Posted: 3/27/2010 2:07:07 PM


Wonder what slap on the wrist Myran ( how is that pronounced? "moron" ? ) will get this time.

Oh, I see what you've done! You've taken this fellow's name, which is Myron, and homonymally changed it to "moron". That is one clever bon mot. I haven't seen word play that inspired since Kid Rock managed to rhyme "things" with "things" in his brilliant ode to summers past, "All Summer Long". Kudos to you, sir (or madam, if you prefer). You were born a century too late, as a spot at the Algonquin Round Table would surely be your reward for such rapier-like wit. You would give Dorothy Parker and George S. Kaufman a run for their money, I'd wager.
 Belle Requin
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Posted: 3/27/2010 5:54:59 PM
Uh, no. Having never been drunk, I have no interest in having an interlock device put into my car. They cost about $120/month to rent. I'll be damned if I have to pay $1440 a year to drive my vehicle because other people drink and drive.

That is just an entirely RIDICULOUS notion.
 susan_cd
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Posted: 3/27/2010 6:49:01 PM
re: Msg 24


Arturo you remain true to form as usual & offer no solution to any problem or concern & instead are content to attack the poster not the issue; nice to know somethings are constant.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
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Posted: 3/27/2010 6:55:17 PM
dudley45 your suggestions are anexample of one of th problems the legal system has; punish ( or place a financial levy on) the innocent for the crimes commited by others.

Thus we have the moronic system of making those who are law abiding pay a cost to register their firearms & tout it as "gun control". Criminals, of course, don't register their firearms.

Solution: the system has been espousing rehabilitation as the primary goal of the legal system for years & things have gotten worse.. ergo the system should put rehabilitation on the backburner ( particularly for those who re-offend) and concentrate on punishment. I never see any new stories about incarceerated car thiefs or incarcerated DUI people stealing cars or driving drunk.
 arturo_bandini
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Posted: 3/28/2010 6:54:10 AM
Arturo you remain true to form as usual & offer no solution to any problem or concern & instead are content to attack the poster not the issue; nice to know somethings are constant.

Yeah, I amuse me. Nice to see that you remain true to form as well, Susan. Ranting quixotically about our justice system in a dating forum like that will make a difference. Want to change the system? Join a citizen's coalition that lobbies government for reform. Go to law school and become a crown attorney. Run for office (you've got that angry, right-wing transvestite demographic wrapped up). Do SOMETHING other than bore me to tears with the same broken record being played for the umpteenth time. Geez, even the immunization conspiracy guy gave it a rest after a while.
 Belle Requin
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Posted: 3/28/2010 11:00:26 AM
granted, having an immobilizer installed sucks a$$. I had to do it as well. However, it didn't cost me $1440 a year. It was free. HUGE difference.
 susan_cd
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Posted: 3/28/2010 2:07:37 PM
Do SOMETHING other than bore me to tears


And how doyouknow boring you to tears isn't just part of my actual goal? With any luck you'll be sobbing into your cornflakes for days, your mind will wander & thru th ehaze of tears you'll reralize your wholelife is pointless & kill yourself.

Then it'll be " 1 down, (fill in the blank number) to go"

But I'm easy, lemme know which threads you've started, they would no doubt be something that interests or concerns you, and we can discuss those issues.
 arturo_bandini
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Posted: 3/28/2010 3:49:17 PM
^^^^^^^
Naw, it's alright. I'm more than happy just pointing out what a one-dimensional dullard you are.
 susan_cd
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Posted: 3/28/2010 4:22:05 PM

Naw, it's alright. I'm more than happy just pointing out what a one-dimensional dullard you are.


Don't worry about it, one day you'll figure out how to originate a thread... or find something ( as opposed to someone) you have an opinion about.
 arturo_bandini
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Posted: 3/28/2010 6:08:46 PM
But I'm having so much fun watching you get apoplectic over what a complete stranger thinks. I mean, really - suggesting I kill myself simply because you don't like having me tell you that you're a colossal bore? That's a little extreme, don't you think? I suppose I could start a thread about how boring you are, but that in itself would be boring. This is fun, however. I think I'll just stick to our little tete a tete for now.
 susan_cd
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Posted: 3/28/2010 11:49:21 PM
{quote]But I'm having so much fun watching you get apoplectic over what a complete stranger thinks

apoplectic? I'm amused by your posts. PoF has been dead for weeks, at least in the Manitoba threads; replying to your comments is the lieveliest it's been here for a while... I'm even starting to miss what''s his name's posts about how vaccinations are the root cause of almost every problem on Earth ( or at least they are something to be brought up on any thread to pic).


I suppose I could start a thread


No, actually I don't think you can start a thread, but feel free to prove me wrong, it has been known to happen. I remember once about 10 years ago when I thought I was wrong & it turned out I wasn't wrong; I was wrong about that.
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