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 cotter
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This is a funny thread and so I reserve the right to post obnoxious answers!!!!

What if the economy doesn't get better?
If the Neocons and TPM get their way (do their best to make Obama fail) I suppose that could happen.

What if it gets way worse?
We'll probably have turn out the pets (won't be able to afford them) ... and give up a few vehicles ... and turn the backyard into an even bigger garden than we already have. Otherwise, the occupations of the people where I live ... are all service oriented (legal and medical) and we can probably barter our services for just about anything we need. Three nurses in the house and there's always a need for that ... right?

What if we experience severe hyperinflation, and even more severe unemployment?
Then some of you rich good ole' boys will finally have to share a little with those who have nothing?

What will you do if it begins to look like we're headed for rioting, looting, urban unrest, marshall law, or even civil war?
Send all the gun-toting, "joe the (not licensed) plumbers", racists, bigots, (rednecks) with their jacked up pick up trucks and loud boom boxes ... to the south and let the south secede.

Do you believe it can't happen because the United States is "too big to fail"?
No ... I think if it ever got close to that, we'd just have to stop being so generous with our support of others who really don't need funding from us (Israel, etc.). We'd get all kinds of flack from the wealthy countries who still have their hands out ... but they'd have to suck it up just like us.

Do you have a backup plan in case it does? If so, tell us about it...
I'm not concerned about it.

As soon as we get health care passed and people won't be made homeless by doctor bills, things will look very different.
 Super Ryan
Joined: 9/15/2007
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Posted: 3/3/2010 2:17:51 PM
I'm going to live in a van down by the river.
 cotter
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Posted: 3/3/2010 2:37:28 PM
^^^^Hey!!! If you're passing out cheese ... I'll send my address!!

One of the neighbors has some steers and another neighbor has some horses and burros. It just occurred to me ... the only thing we don't have nearby is a cow ... otherwise we're set!!!

Oh well ... I guess that'll be one of the things we barter for ... I'll take care of your sick grandmother if I can have some fresh milk everyday.
 CMonster
Joined: 12/4/2004
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Posted: 3/3/2010 3:37:00 PM
I'm on board for building a Death Star. If you can't beat them (The Feds), join them!
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
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Posted: 3/3/2010 4:00:08 PM
What will you do if it begins to look like we're headed for rioting, looting, urban unrest, marshall law, or even civil war?

Shoot all the teabaggers and neocons before they can work up a full head of steam... turn their corpses into oil... live in their houses... redistribute their money... farm their land...

That way we can kill two birds (or more) with one stone as it were... save the country, have a "socialist" America and get rid of that annoying buzzing sound (to hear it, just plug your ears and say "NOOOOOOOOOO!" over and over)... all in one fell swoop...
 hard starboard
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Posted: 3/3/2010 6:17:19 PM
Become a zombie and eat brains.
 cotter
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Posted: 3/3/2010 6:59:36 PM

You know, I think they just may be happier going to Somalia. There isn't much of a government there which is what you teabagger types want anyway. You know, no regulations, no laws, freedom as you like to say.

Ya I think that's the place for you.
Yuppers ... actually from my contact with the Somalians (Columbus, Ohio) ... from what the people who run from there tell me, it sounds like the perfect place for the Neocons and Tea Baggers.

There is no government, therefore no laws. There is definitely no socialized health care ... actually, no health care at all.
But I suppose if one has a gun and a big enough mouth ... Uh huh ... people with guns would do better over there.

If a man is rich enough, he's allowed to have several wives, but each wife has to have her own home. It's not like those communes where all the wives and children are under one roof. The wives decide where the man spends the night ... they get together and make out the schedule ... he just follows the schedule.

But the pick-up trucks won't do you much good there. Take plenty of room air freshner with you and things that will make you smell good even if you don't wash ... because that's not something they do often.

Ya that sounds like a good plan for the Neocons and Tea Baggers ... like the man said, "no regulations, no laws, freedom as you like to say."

AND ... no bothersome universal health care to complain about. LMAO ... there is no health care at all. That's why they're all streaming into the US as fast as they can ... to get on Medicaid and Medicare and Disability ...
 wisguyingb
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Posted: 3/4/2010 4:31:52 AM
I collect coins and I've been buying gold (and silver) coins since 1999-2000. I really ramped up my buying around 2004-2005. (Took the advice from the coin magazines I get ) Got in good and deep when the price was still around 400-500 dollars a oz. I'd be ok if anything happens. Heck on the bright side if gold goes to $4000.00 a oz then I can pay off my house. But I just don't think it could get that high. Anything is possible though. I also have a small lot of foreign currency on hand. But that's cuz I got in on that when the dollar was stronger and I plan do do some travel in the future. (Took advantage of a strong dollar) We also have a crap load of land in the family. Hunting/fishing. Not real worried.

If it actually happens then worry about the UN. They will be the one offering up the solution.
 kabiosile
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Posted: 3/4/2010 7:14:10 AM
Grandfather taught me as a young child.

Never trust anyone to feed you. Not a government, not a corporation, not a business.

He taught me very young the importance of keeping a Garden full of healthy food.

He survived the depression as a poor man. Shot jackrabbits and ate thistle barely able to survive. Then he like many others had little choice but to get involved in the WWII.

I remember clear as day his voice telling me.

Grow a garden. If you are hungry people can make you do things you do not wish to do just to be fed. A people cannot be free without their own food supply.

People without their own food might have the illusion of freedom but, if we allow our food to be controlled by others not only must we eat things we would never even consider doing to ourselves, they can take that food away and make you do whatever it is they wish.


If it looks like people are gong to go crazy I will go to my brothers 75 acre organic farm in the middle of no where, and ride it out in peace. I have my own food here which I would turn over to my neighbors. When I first moved in here first thing I did was put in 4 gardens. This year going to put in fruit trees that will feed people for hundreds of years after I am gone from this world.


The best thing we can do is to plant our own food. Plant heirloom open pollinated seed if you wish to save your own seed every year and not have to rely on some company for seed every year.


Here's to true freedom.



"Only when the last tree has died,
Only when the last river has been poisoned, Only when the last fish has been caught will man realize he cannot eat money..." -Cree native American proverb.
 cotter
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:19:04 AM
I see "Swampy" is from Georgia. He needs to hook up with these guys down in Louisiana ...


http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/bossier-city-louisiana-prepares-for-end-of-the-world-scenario_02282010
Bossier City Louisiana Prepares for “End of the World Scenario”
Author: Mac Slavo
- February 28th, 2010

When Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, emergency responders from both public and private sectors were eager to respond within hours. The failure was not with the individuals on the ground ready to help, but rather, it was with management. All levels of government failed the people of New Orleans, from the President on down to Mayor Ray Nagin. No one would make a decision, and this cost hundreds of lives and millions of dollars in additional damage.
In disaster situations - real disasters - the bureaucracy always finds a way to make a difficult task even harder.
Our inability to depend on the very officials we’ve elected to help us when it really counts is the very reason why the idea of taking personal responsibility for oneself during a SHTF emergency sounds so appealing.
If only every city could have forward looking leaders like Sherriff Larry Deen, who recently launched “Operation Exodus”, a program designed to prepare his city for what the Shreveport Times calls an end-of-the-world scenario:
The Bossier Parish sheriff’s office is launching a program called “Operation Exodus,” a policing plan for an end-of-the-world scenario involving a mostly white group of ex-police volunteers and a .50-caliber machine gun, inspired in part from the Book of Exodus in the Bible.
“The buck stops with Larry Deen,” said Bossier Parish Sheriff Larry Deen. “The liability stops with Larry Deen. I am the chief law enforcement officer in this parish, and it is incumbent upon me protect all of the people in it.”
Deen said he had been formulating a plan to protect Bossier Parish’s vital resources, like food and gasoline, in the event of a catastrophic event, such as war or a terrorist attack. Deen said he had been thinking of the plan since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/operation_exodus_louisiana_sheriff_taps_locals_for.php
'Operation Exodus': Louisiana Sheriff Taps Locals For Emergency Security Plan
Zachary Roth | March 3, 2010, 5:55PM
A Louisiana sheriff plans to arm volunteers with shotguns, riot shields, batons, and a .50-caliber machine gun mounted on a "war wagon," as part of "Operation Exodus," a program to provide security in the event of a terrorist attack or civic unrest. "It's a calling," he says.
The office of Sheriff Larry Deen of Bossier Parish, near Shreveport in the northwest part of the state, last month selected for the program 200 local residents -- mostly ex-law-enforcement personnel -- and began training them in "defensive techniques in the event of a struggle," reports the Shreveport Times. The plan calls for the new recruits to be sent to protect food from grocery stores, gas from gas stations, and other crucial local resources, should the situation demand it.
A press release from Deen's office announcing the program declared that "recent terror threats" had made clear that "homegrown terrorists are in our midst." It continued: "With the easy accessibility of the internet, it is quite possible that these local and international terrorists can form a national or multiple location attack on our nation at any given moment."
"The buck stops with Larry Deen," the sheriff, who didn't immediately respond to our interview request, told the Times. "I am the chief law enforcement officer in this parish, and it is incumbent upon me protect all of the people in it."
The press release added that Operation Exodus got its name in part "because of its Biblical relevance," explaining that "In the book of Exodus, the Israelites were totally on their own, learning to be self-sufficient and handle everything alone, just as the plan provides."
In a video of the first training session, posted on the sheriff's office's website, the recruits -- almost all white and male, and many appearing to be past middle-age -- gamely practice their hand-to-hand combat techniques:
Doyle Dempsey, a sheriff's deputy, explains in the video that the training session is designed to "set up a prevention mode to implement during Operation Exodus." The idea, says Dempsey, is to "show an overwhelming show of force prior to any incident taking place."
The video also shows a sign, apparently posted at the training session, which reads: "Hard In Drill Easy In Battle. Somewhere Right Now Your Enemy Is Training So That When He Meets You He Defeats You."
Deen said that the program will cost just $4,500, in part because weapons, such as a .50-caliber machine gun mounted on what the sheriff's office calls "the war wagon," have previously been bought.
Deen added he'd been mulling such a plan since the 9/11 attacks -- but he denied to the Times that he was creating a militia. "We run from that word," he said. "We're just the opposite [of] that word."


Meanwhile, only four minutes (and about 2 miles) away from Bossier City in Shreveport … the good ole boys are just that … good ole boys.
http://jonathanturley.org/2009/08/14/louisiana-officer-in-beating-case-reinstated-and-given-back-pay-despite-shocking-videotape/
Louisiana Officer in Beating Case Reinstated and Given Back Pay Despite Shocking Videotape
Published 1, August 14, 2009
It is always controversial when society “allows the criminal to go free because the constable blundered,” but what about allowing the constable to go free because the constable blundered? Shreveport police officer Wiley Willis became a national figure after shocking pictures were released of a woman who was beaten in his custodyafter he turned off a camera in a police station. Now he has been reinstated because a polygrapher failed to record the result of a test of Willis. Not only was Willis never charged criminally, but he will now receive full back pay at the insistence of the Shreveport police officers union.

After turning off the camera, Willis left Angela Garbarino (who was arrested for DWI) with a broken nose and other injuries.
The Civil Service Board ruled that Willis’ rights, under the Police Officer Bill of Rights, were violated because an expert failed to record a polygraph examination Willis took as part of the Police Department’s investigation into Garbarino’s injuries, including two black eyes and a broken nose. Willis asks if the camera is on before turning it off. When he turns the camera on again, Garbarino is beaten and bloody.
The Police Chief has denounced the “technicality” and the reinstatement.
I wonder if they did a rape kit investigation on her.

If I were her, I'd have a back-up plan for that guy ...
 kabiosile
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Posted: 3/4/2010 11:11:50 AM
You see MG, in the USA we have a crew of people whom love to scream at everyone to love it or leave it when their guy is in office running a muck. Soon as the people elect another party into office they disagree with, they start discussing civil unrest and civil war.

They are Faux patriots.

They want their cake, your cake, the cake that belongs to everyone else, and to eat it too.


Love it or leave it indeed.


To me I don't believe in this love it or leave it shyte.

To me if you do not love what is going on one has to work harder to embody the change to make it better.


I do not wish to see either side leave it. I think both sides need each other. There are valuable things both parties and other parties have to share in the debate but, there does come a time to make changes.

To continuously do the same failing thing and expect different results is the definition of insanity.

Many of the old ideals are an utter failure yet, they want us to love those as if they were a fixed part, that can never change of America. Not only are they absolutely incorrect about this, they are in for a rude awakening if they think they can bully the rest of the nation to force it down our throats.

Holds up a mirror that reflects all the years people said love it or leave it.


I hope 2 things come from this. First I hope the right wingers of this country some whom are dear friends and family of mine, can learn that it is OK for people to have different views and still love this nation. I know this goes against conservatism, which is opposed to change but, there is not another option for something that is broken and not only sinking this economy but, the world economy.

What that change needs to be should be debated by both sides but, it is opposed to conservatism to make a change so they just become the party of NO!

I do not wish to see you people leave as you wished upon those whom did not share your views while you were in power. I wish for you to add your voice to the debate, even if after hearing that voice the people choose another route. Instead however your leaders are simply acting as obstacles and not offering anything new or novel.

Maybe we are expecting too much from you since it goes against your very nature to change. Maybe all we should expect from you is to stand in the way of progress. Which is fine too just dont be shocked when people go around you and stop paying attention to you. Since a party that is afraid of change is a afraid to live. A party that no longer can live goes the way of the dinosaur.

To me it will be sad because there are some things I agree with from the conservative movement just as there are some things on the other side I agree with. I am one whom belongs to neither side in particular, whom observes beneficial and not so beneficial things in both parties.

I remember well the lessons of my elders whom told me it takes all kinds to make the world go 'round.

It seems to me there are some extremists on the right wing whom would love nothing more than a chance to take out the nation that they once claimed to love.

So I ask where did all those supposed "patriots" whom told everyone else to love it or leave it go? Oh wait they are turning into extremist militia groups.

Sad state of affairs indeed. Well all I can say is if, god forbid this nation does decide to come apart at the seams and go down the path of civil war, get ready to speak Chinese.





 wisguyingb
Joined: 1/5/2008
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Posted: 3/5/2010 3:06:57 AM
Right now a bill is being introduced to repeal the Clinton era NAFTA agreement. (God I hope that actually happens!)

Wonder how out friends to the north would feel about that?..

http://www.thestreet.com/story/10695863/hoffa-applauds-move-to-repeal-nafta.html
 flyonthewall!
Joined: 3/31/2008
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Posted: 3/5/2010 6:09:01 AM
/What if the economy doesn't get better?/

If Obama remains President, it won't. What has he added to the debt in the past year, $1.2 trillion? That doesn't seem to be the road to getting out of debt to me!

/What if it gets way worse? /

Retire? And live off money stuffed in my mattress!

/What if we experience severe hyperinflation, and even more severe unemployment? /

Put more money in banks overseas, and make sure that it is in countries where I'd like to live!

/What will you do if it begins to look like we're headed for rioting, looting, urban unrest, marshall law, or even civil war?/

Move to one of those countries where I've opened up a bank account. Ireland is nice, and they have slightly lower personal taxes than the US, and WAY lower corporate taxes than the US. Seems like a nice place to start some new companies -- especially in the high-tech area.

/Do you believe it can't happen because the United States is "too big to fail"?/

Nope, I think we're the next Argentina. We keep on making more and more entitlement programs. Our entitlement programs plus the interest on the national debt already take up 60 percent of our budget. We can no longer balance our budget, and yet, we are voting on how to add MORE entitlement programs to our budget in the form of health care. The $1.2 trillion that Obama has added to the debt in a single year is just a drop in the bucket compared to what he'll do to us over the next 3.

It is the sheer stupidity to ADD more entitlement programs when we already don't have the money for the ones we now have. Guess you get what you pay for -- oops, vote for.

We don't have the money to pay Social Security to Baby Boomers, and yet we want to enact more entitlement programs. We're really going to leave our children and grandchildren holding the bag -- that is , if they're not living with us in that foreign country.

If it comes to looting and rioting, I won't be here for it. My money and I will already be gone.

/Do you have a backup plan in case it does? If so, tell us about it.../

I just did.
 kabiosile
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Posted: 3/5/2010 8:22:20 AM
The truth of it all is this is the right wings big plan. Try to make America fail so they can get the America they always dreamed of or shall we call it, Little Somalia?

The right wingnuts, want to be able to have their sweatshops here in the USA and never get taxed and let the poor people they have sucked the life out of for their corporate dreams die from hunger, disease or anything else that gets rid of them.

This whole thing is a pipe dream of the most extreme of them. They pray every night before they go to bed that Obama will deliver them to evil and that the country will fail.

Funny thing is all reports point to recovery.

Their doom scenario is coming the US will rise from the ashes of the fire caused by greedy **stards on wall street/corporate America, and their deregulation loving nut jobs that paved the road for this lunacy..

It will once again be a democrat bringing another new deal that will save this country from the brink.

The right wingnuts hate this and know they are a breed going extinct as we speak. The baby boomers are going into the twilight of their lives and with them will die this idiocy of the right wing religious zealots.

To the fiscal conservatives, man I feel sorry for you guys. You guys make sense sometimes unlike the others whom hijacked your party out from under you.

I feel most for the fiscally conservatives whom mostly are social liberals. They are getting such a bad rep thanks to the "sky is falling, and god is going to smite us all", people.

I guess there is a lesson in there somewhere for you guys though. Don't take on religious extremists into your party just because they CLAIM they agree with your fiscal policy.


Further anyone who thinks "argentina's" issues where caused by social programs is totally devoid of any sense of what happened there.

They had issues due to right wing lunacy via the IMF and greedy business owners ripping off the companies. This was proven when workers went and took over the closed down abandoned factories and re opened them and made them work again.
The take "la toma"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8149373547373833649&ei=mzWRS6OPMKC6rALOwMTRAg&q=+the+take&hl=en&view=3#



It was progressive movements that brought agentina from the brink.

 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 3/5/2010 9:14:00 AM
I've invested heavily in a company which is building a project called Skynet. It's going to be so cool, and will bring in a new age of enlightenment for the human race.

I can't wait.
 cotter
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Posted: 3/5/2010 9:45:03 AM
^^^
OMG "Swampy" ... I think you're losing it. Settle down already and take a few chill pills.

Okay ... here's my plan. I didn't want to divulge any information until we had been able to get some good solid research, but I've been working with some really smart people lately who are developing some sort of way to implant false memories of ideal holidays. We're hoping that we can get all those unhappy right wingnuts to get them so we can implant them with some good memories and then they won't be so out of sorts ... running around all hyped up with their guns and "war machines" ... wanting to wipe out the Obama administration.

We're hoping to implant memories of "Dumbya" leading the invasion of Iraq in the lead tank ... yelling "Kill The Terrorists"!!! It will be brought up in the rear by "Cocky-Cock" (the torturer) Cheney who is back there capturing all the prisoners and sending them off to be tortured by CIA agents and armed military personnel with dogs. The memory closes with "Dumbya" standing on some aircraft carrier in front of big sign that says, "Mission Accomplished".

"Seems" when we "took a poll", the number one favorite memory of the Neocons and folks of the TPM was when we illegally invaded Iraq and carpet bombed them and killed all those Muslims who want to come over here and behead us and turn us all into "Hajis" and "Towelheads" that pray 5 times a day.

I'm hoping it all works out so that things will settle down and they'll leave Obama alone so we can get on with rebuilding the country after the devastation of the last administration.

 flyonthewall!
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Posted: 3/5/2010 12:56:26 PM

Did you know that Ireland has what the neocons refer to as "socialized medicine"? Since your post indicates that you're against Universal Healthcare, I thought I should point that out to you. You might have to rethink your plan.

Did you a realize that 31 percent of the country is covered by this so called universal health care, and half of the country carries private insurance? I'm not sure what the rest of them have.

Oh, and old people aren't covered. They get 400 euros a year for health care, if they qualify.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

And like other universal health care plans, the waiting for services can be YEARS. Doesn't help much if you die before you get the heath care! Yeah, yeah, it is free, for some, if you don't die first. Fortunately, I don't mind paying for private heath care, in Ireland or anywhere else.

http://www.movetoireland.com/movepag/medover.htm


If you had paid attention to Obama's State of the Union Address, you'd know that he plans on eliminating wasteful programs that do not work. And this healt care program that you're bashing is Universal Health Care. I believe all industrialized nations have universal health care, and I don't hear them whining about it.


So he's going to eliminate Social Security? Medicare? Oh yeah, he's going to eliminate Medicare Advantage. That's a drop in the bucket. Obama couldn't eliminate enough "fat" to make a difference. The only way to make these programs stable is to reduce benefits. If you do that, NO doctor will take either Medicare nor Medicaid, given that they don't make a profit on it now, and in some cases lose money. The planned 21 percent reduction in payments to doctors will make that even worse.

Quite frankly all I see are a bunch of initiatives to spend MORE money:

Giving rebates to Americans who make their homes more energy-efficient
$10,000 tax credit for families for four years of college
Nearly double the child tax credit
Expanding the tax credit for those who start a nest egg (retirement fund)
Health care reform

And here's a biggie:
Starting in 2011, freeze government spending for 3 years on discretionary programs (excluding national security, Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_State_of_the_Union_Address

Tell me how you improve the economy without touching 50 percent of our spending? Stop building roads? Dismantle the public education system? Eliminate welfare? All of those are pissing in the wind. There's no way out without eliminating some of the sacred cows, and forgetting about health care reform. We can't afford ANY of it.
 cotter
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Posted: 3/5/2010 2:41:48 PM

The thing is it never works. Most Progressives know THEY don't really pay for much of ANYTHING - the "rich white Republicans" and other people with JOBS do...
How is it that the so-called "Progressives" don't really pay for much of ANYTHING?

Are you truly insinuating that "most Progressives" (as you have labeled them) are "poor white Democrats" ... or "poor black Democrats"? Or are you insinuating that "Progressives" just don't work at all?

Are you saying if a person has money then it must mean they are "White Republicans"?


... and other people with JOBS do...
Soooo ... "White Republicans" are the only people with work these days?

And what does any of that have to do with a "backup plan"?
 flyguy51
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Posted: 3/5/2010 5:05:52 PM
I hear Soylent Green makes for a tasty little dish.
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 3/5/2010 5:28:17 PM

That said, it sure as hell wasn't the people with money in those states, who generate the bulk of tax revenues, who gave Obama those votes... Why would "the evil rich" vote against their own interests? LOL!


I know there is nothing to be gained in joining into this squabble, but let's take Virginia as an example. This was a swing state in 2008, so they did a pretty extensive analysis in the media. The rich part of that state was blue; the poor part was red.

Warren Buffet made all his money from the ground up - he thinks his tax burden is too light. The evil George Soros is also the guy that funded Solidarity in Poland and is largely responsible for bringing down the Soviet Union. He started from nothing. It seems the only rich people who are Republican are those who inherited their money; those who built their own fortunes recognize that the civil society that made it possible means we all have obligations to the nation and our fellow citizens.
 wvwaterfall
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Posted: 3/5/2010 5:30:20 PM
Well, lesseee....

First off, I don't see either party doing much to curb runaway spending. They just disagree where to spend the most money we don't have. I confess to have no workable understanding of national economics, because my common sense tells me we should have had economic disaster already, probably by the end of the Reagan years, yet we somehow keep on going. He seems most responsible for steering Republicans away from fiscal conservancy though. Now it's just a choice between tax and spend and borrow and spend.

Now if everything does fall apart, I'm already pretty close to being self sufficient here on the homestead. The bank still owns the house and about half my acreage, so if that's not paid off by then I'd have to shift over to property I do own free and clear. Plenty of fertile ground for growing food, lots more to be foraged, and I just about trip over deer wherever I go here. There's a spring for fresh water, and until I build a new abode numerous overhanging cliffs to lay my sleeping bag under.

If I were inclined to leave the country, Canada would be simplest. I also really enjoyed my time in Ecuador and wouldn't mind moving there.

But I'm optimistic that we'll find a way through all this, just pretty well prepared if we don't.

Dave
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 38
What is your personal backup plan?
Posted: 3/5/2010 5:32:08 PM

I hear Soylent Green makes for a tasty little dish.

Whoa there!!!

I already called dibs on "Soylent Black"... you don't get a lot of oil out of one person's corpse... it takes 8-10 just to get one barrel... I'll need all of them...
 wvwaterfall
Joined: 1/17/2007
Msg: 41
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What is your personal backup plan?
Posted: 3/5/2010 6:46:32 PM

Dave - will you be able to defend your land should someone else, or some larger group of people, decide they want it, or want your resources?


Well, I'm not much of one to get into a shooting argument, but most of my resources require someone in the know to find. Wild plants and such. And I live pretty far off the beaten track. In fact the largest piece of land I own free and clear, 28 acres, has no road access to it, but fresh water, lots of trees for firewood and building supplies, and plenty of deer and other critters.

Obviously none of us could defend whatever we have from a sufficiently more powerful group, but WV has been a forgotten part of the country so far in its history, no reason to think anyone would come looking come a major fall.

Honestly, I doubt it will come to that, but if it happened all at once I sure don't have far to go.

dave
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 43
What is your personal backup plan?
Posted: 3/5/2010 9:28:10 PM


What if the economy doesn't get better?


Didn't you hear the great news? We ONLY lost 35,000 jobs last month. Callooh! Callay!

Well if Obama keeps implementing the same policies as Bush, but to a greater extent, then it won't. And then when people no longer pay US dollars for oil our money will be worthless (IOW 2 cents less than now).



What if it gets way worse?


I expect a total collapse within my lifetime. It's a neccessary step towards fixing the broken system. America needs a giat do-over.



What if we experience severe hyperinflation, and even more severe unemployment?


Invest in gold, silver, and other precious metals. The day you speak of is approaching.



What will you do if it begins to look like we're headed for rioting, looting, urban unrest, marshall law, or even civil war?

Do you believe it can't happen because the United States is "too big to fail"?

Do you have a backup plan in case it does? If so, tell us about it...


I don't have the money to invest in precious metals, but I do have a back-up plan. At the end of the day, you can't eat gold. Stock up on food, alcohol (primarily for barter purposes), potable water. Get a shotgun and stock up on ammunition. Learn self-defense techniques including knife fighting. But above all else learn how to live off the land (and not just farming). Learn how to forage because food is all around you, if you know what to look for.

Just a few examples of this. Acorns are edible after you extract the tannic acid. Tannic acid is useful as a disinfectant, tanning leather, and laundry detergent. Acorn oil acts as deer bait. Grass is edible (make sure it hasn't been chemically treated) but not digestible. You can chew grass and suck out the nutritious juices, and then spit out the grass. Water lillies are edible. In the spring trees can be tapped for their sap (but make sure you plug up the hole when your done, otherwise the tree will "bleed" to death. The inner bark of certain trees are edible.

Learn how to hunt and fish (and how to prepare the dead animal to make it edible). Learn how to make leather from the skin. Learn how to use all the nonedible parts of the animal (e.g. bones can be sharpened and made into weapons, needles, etc.).

Basically I'm learning how to take myself completely off the grid.
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 47
What is your personal backup plan?
Posted: 3/13/2010 12:33:00 PM

Again, can you even imagine what would happen if we had another 9/11 right now?

About the same thing as happened last time... just a bit faster as the nation still has not "stood down" from much of what was instituted then...

It wouldn't take much to send this country into utter turmoil right now.

Yep... and you can thank all the teabaggers, pseudo-constitutionalists ("pseudo" because, by and large, they have zero concept of what the Constitution is, and the war which brought it into being was, all about) and sundry right-wingnuts for that... groups which want nothing less than the complete destruction of 225+ years of effort and sacrifice... and for nothing more than achieving their own personal benefit at the expense of a nation... If the nation were to fall in the crapper as you fear, it will be those groups who push it in...
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