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 thecdcisreal
Joined: 6/18/2008
Msg: 2
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Honestly, if that were the case, I don't think anything would really change. Most people already function under the belief that this is it, we are it. What would the difference be?
 maximusminimus
Joined: 2/27/2010
Msg: 4
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Posted: 3/12/2010 9:55:19 AM
The universe is only our idea of it. That's not to say we encapsulate everything as a mere thought, but that we can only know the actual universe through our way of seeing it. To us, the universe will always be limited to however we happen to be capable of experiencing it, the point being we suspect those limits exist and that beyond them is more. If we are the only life in the only way we can see the universe, then there still may be something else like life in the actual universe beyond our view. There may also be life here now but that we can't recognize as such for being blind to it somehow. It's one thing to say what we know or not, but to suppose about some of what we don't know whether it might exist seems pointless past the reach of our capacity to imagine and comprehend.

So, within this universe we can know and about which we speculate, but excluding the infinite possibilities we can never imagine, what if aliens don't exist? If they don't, some people with abduction stories will be forced to consider the possibility the stories are from hallucinations.

We could know if there were aliens, by finding some. We can't know there aren't any until we looked everywhere, which we never can do. We could possibly know ourselves well enough to determine if we ever will find aliens. We could also redefine our ideas of life, the universe and aliens, as well as possible and impossible, and have to start the thread over.
 Jiperly
Joined: 8/30/2006
Msg: 6
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Posted: 3/12/2010 11:36:30 AM
I think theres only one real answer if we're the only form of life in the universe....

plant mircoscopic life wherever possible. Sure, we'll be long gone before 1/100th of them begin to crawl on land- but what other option is there?
 stargazer1000
Joined: 1/16/2008
Msg: 8
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Posted: 3/12/2010 1:37:16 PM
The question of life in the universe is separate from the beginnings (big bang) of the universe. In some ways, I would say that life is an emergent property of the universe but is not a necessary product of the universe. Sadly, we have only observed the one example of life so we cannot (yet) draw any meaningful conclusions about its prevalence.

"Human enterprise?" Obviously, if there is only one example of life in the universe, then clearly we are an important and unique variation on the "norm" of the universe. As the leading sentient form of life, that gives us a significant responsibility towards preserving not only ourselves, the environment we share with the rest of life on this planet.

I would consider that very serious!
 princeofaguy100
Joined: 6/4/2008
Msg: 9
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Posted: 3/12/2010 4:19:52 PM
The better question would be, "What effect would it have upon mankind if the governments of the world made public the information that the ETs are in fact real and have been here?"

Interestingly the RAND corporation has done two studies on this very question.
 NowSucksLess
Joined: 2/4/2010
Msg: 10
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Posted: 3/12/2010 9:00:45 PM
Nada.

If there isn't other life in the universe, there isn't.

If there is...the other life would still be too far away...so far away that they might as well not exist.

Bottom line...to 99% of the population...no difference.

As far as the Big Bang...again, no impact.
 JP1111
Joined: 4/13/2008
Msg: 11
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Posted: 3/12/2010 10:41:48 PM
There would be no serious consequences if it was believed that we were the only place that supports life. Is that likely to happen, I seriously think not.

But even if it was, we would save TONS of money stopping the research on searching for more evidence and information about our own past; either it be centuries, millennia or, even longer.

I don’s think anything could possibly end human enterprise. We are what we are and, we have a inborn desire to do what we choose to. Seeing as how some people make such a president on our society, the rest of it can’t help but be there or, not.
 edisto
Joined: 1/1/2010
Msg: 12
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Posted: 3/12/2010 11:33:12 PM

What would the consequencies be for human kind !! if in the apperent endlessness of the universe, it turns out that Earth is the only place that supports and has evolved life ..

this is absurd
an endless universe
and WE are the only occupants
ridiculous

too much space for just US

too ethnocentric thinking
too absurd

surely there are real
thinking beings
less violent than mankind out there
surely
there is a more compassionate life force
surely, THIS is not all there is

oh, pleez- don't tell me that this
is as good as it gets-
 stargazer1000
Joined: 1/16/2008
Msg: 19
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Posted: 3/13/2010 12:19:42 PM

it's mathmatically impossible for an infinite universe only to have one habitable planet in it..fact.



Assuming the universe is "infinite."
 Jiperly
Joined: 8/30/2006
Msg: 23
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Posted: 3/13/2010 2:08:14 PM
>>>That seems a reasonable thing to say--that, if the universe is infinite, then there must be other life in it.

Why? Statsics may increase, but there is always, always, always the chance that we are the only life out there. Statsically, that possiblity is ALWAYS present. Don't wave imaginary stats derived from assumption piled on assumption. We've barely scratched the surface of how inanimate matter independently animates, let alone being certain enough to claim that it must have happened in dozens if not millions of places because "the universe is big". You wish to end all discussion before any real science, observations, or evidence confirms what you support.
 edisto
Joined: 1/1/2010
Msg: 26
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Posted: 3/14/2010 5:34:21 PM

There is only ourself out there. We are thinking beings, we are not violent by nature, we are compassionate, we just forgot this, time to remember what we are me thinks. It gets as good as you make it get.

at one time
people did not realize there was a continent other than Europe and Asia
and that wasn't so long ago
so you've decided that "there is only ourselves out there"
I supremely doubt that

and I am glad that you think that we are "thinking beings"
I guess we are to a..............point
but you think that "we are not violent by nature"
oh, good grief
and that we are "compassionate" and "just forget this from time to time"
oh, you are joking-
YES?
how many wars, genocide, murders are in our past
how many wars in our short history has just the US been involved in?
who exactly "gave" us this great piece of land
oh, that's right
we TOOK it....
I guess the nuclear power that we have developed
that can destroy this planet many times over
does not reflect the premise
that we are-
"not violent by nature"
 Jiperly
Joined: 8/30/2006
Msg: 27
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Posted: 3/14/2010 6:27:51 PM
Your own misanthropy aside, whose to say Aliens do not experience the same things from where they come? Why do you assume they are our betters? Granted, they may just be- or they may have far greater social and violence problems than us. You wish to wave your hand accross the entire human race, call it evil, and say thats why these unseen beings do not visit us. How convient- a theory that re-enforced and validates your own hatred towards humanity- a belief where the abstance of evidence is evidence.
 nipoleon
Joined: 12/27/2005
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Posted: 3/15/2010 6:56:07 PM
It's certainly unlikely that we are the only life sustaining planet in the whole universe.

However, should that happen to be the case..... there's only one undeniable conclusion.

WE OWN IT !
IT'S ALL OURS !

This is the most certain proof that extraterrestrial life must in fact exist.
There's no way we could be that lucky.
 stargazer1000
Joined: 1/16/2008
Msg: 33
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Posted: 3/15/2010 8:34:14 PM

If we are unable to find anything, the downside of course will be the billions spent on resources to search for extraterrestrial life, and the waste of technology that could be used for some other purpose. Science education would suffer. Radio-astronomers using telescopes for SETI would be hugely criticized by governments and citizen groups.


Well, first of all, SETI funding has been mostly private for a couple of decades now. To the point where the SETI Foundation has managed to raise sufficient funds on its own to build a radio telescope array that will provide one of the best views of the sky in a variety of radio wavelengths. It's work will include other areas of research aside from hunting for little green men.

Additionally, people love to attack efforts like SETI as a "waste of money that could have been spent elsewhere" without realizing that lots of money is already being spent "elsewhere" to little or no good effect. It's not how much money is spent, but how it is spent and how the benefits are quantified that are the problems.

SETI chief astronomer Seth Shostak predicts they will find a signal within the next 25 years. However, even if they don't, the fact that they haven't found anything only helps to set a limit. It isn't the end of the experiment by any stretch.

Rest assured, the search will continue for years to come. Hey, it's entirely possible that the result will come, not from a dedicated search, but from a serendipitous discovery. That's how science works.
 hyoid
Joined: 5/12/2009
Msg: 36
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Posted: 3/16/2010 5:55:10 AM

WE OWN IT !
IT'S ALL OURS !


Dibs on M31
 Cebrhocabi
Joined: 8/26/2009
Msg: 37
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Posted: 3/16/2010 9:16:03 AM

If we are unable to find anything, the downside of course will be the billions spent on resources to search for extraterrestrial life, and the waste of technology that could be used for some other purpose. Science education would suffer. Radio-astronomers using telescopes for SETI would be hugely criticized by governments and citizen groups.

We have to search millions of stars before we could arrive at the conclusion that we are alone in the universe, so it's premature to assume that the search has been a failure.


If SETI fails turns up anything (and I suspect it will fail to turn up anything), it would only mean that there are no civilizations near us who use electromagnetic waves to broadcast information. We've only been broadcasting that way, ourselves, for about a hundred years; and already, the use of electromagnetic waves is winding down as new technology develops (fiber optics). So the odds that two civilizations would arise in the galaxy who both use electromagnet waves to transmit information at the exact same time seems pretty slim to me. Both would have to have that particularly short technological windows open at exactly the same moment.
 rubberbandpower
Joined: 3/1/2010
Msg: 38
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Posted: 3/18/2010 10:10:50 PM
It will never happen.

We will always wonder if live exists off of earth until we discover it.

It's unlikely that someone will come along with prove that there is no live anywhere else that we would buy.
 princeofaguy100
Joined: 6/4/2008
Msg: 39
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Posted: 11/28/2011 5:29:23 PM
FYI, aliens do exist and the Pentagon has war plans to deal with them if they get hostile
 NonRushingDad
Joined: 10/26/2011
Msg: 40
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Posted: 11/28/2011 8:44:22 PM
Statistically given the number of starts, galaxies, and possibility of multi-universes, there must be intelligent life.

Now that we are finding out Einstein may be wrong and we have these clever ideas of how to possibly travel to other stars using wormholes, etc proves more than likely there might just be a way to reach other stars.

As far as no contact, any civilization that can go to other stars probably doesn't want to come her because WE ARE PRIMITIVES too them. They also don't want to be on those stupid Alien shows where guys with weird hair discuss theories of ancient traveling aliens.
 babsa
Joined: 7/5/2011
Msg: 41
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Posted: 11/28/2011 9:04:34 PM
This discussion is moot. Life has been found on Mars many years ago already. In a hypothetical: I wouldn't give a **** and it does not prove that some entity created life.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Posted: 11/29/2011 6:08:03 AM
Perhaps most of life on earth evolved out of extraterrestrial inputs from the universe.
http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/newsandeventspggrp/imperialcollege/newssummary/news_13-6-2008-14-44-59
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
Msg: 43
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Posted: 11/29/2011 6:24:06 AM
For millennia, humans operated without the idea of life elsewhere in the universe--except for gods, of course.

While I cannot believe that there is not life elsewhere, it is a moot point. The distance between us and them is astronomical, and we are likely to never "meet" them.

If there are no aliens, we continue on as we always have. When we become extinct and the planet dies in 5 billion years, so it goes.
 rearguard*2
Joined: 2/8/2008
Msg: 44
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Posted: 11/29/2011 8:26:31 AM
The stars blast continuous quantities of the building block of life, and the universe is filled with such chemicals. Places where life can evolve, it does, has, and will in the future. Whether its like us is another question. Life is like a mold or fungus that springs up when the local environment is suitable, sort of like when you leave the bread out on the counter for too long.

As for contacting aliens, we should hope it never happens. Look at what happened to the native populations of the Americas when the Europeans arrived. Total destruction of their civilization, near obliteration of their populations.
 cbbull21
Joined: 3/9/2009
Msg: 45
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Posted: 11/29/2011 7:04:27 PM
"Given the number of galaxies, stars,....extraterrestrials must exist."
Pick any two numbers (a and b) , 0 and 1, .34444445436 and .34444445437, etc.
There are more numbers between them than there are whole numbers on the number line.
The numbers you can write down are far rarer than those that you can't.
Even if there were an infinite number of universes, and each itself being infinite, it's not necessarily true that ET exist.
So neither ET must exist nor ET cannot exist, but that doesn't tell me if ET exist.
You'll just have to try finding them if you're willing to look.
What gets under my skin is hearing people say that humans were cloned or some other alien genesis. Is Earth not good enough, habitable enough for life to form or humans not intelligent enough to accomplish building pyramids, etc. on their own?
If terrestrial life is ET in origin, then, what's the home planet of ET life? Earth is as good a place as any to start.
 rearguard*2
Joined: 2/8/2008
Msg: 47
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Posted: 11/30/2011 1:07:45 PM

If terrestrial life is ET in origin, then, what's the home planet of ET life?


Its origin is in the nuclear reactions in the untold billions of stars that make up the universe as we know it. For Earth to be the origin of all life, Earth would have to give birth to life, then be blasted throughout the cosmos to spread it all around. There is no evidence so far that the Earth was blasted so violently that its live chemicals were scattered throughout the cosmos, but there is plenty of evidence that biologically active molecules pervade the universe. Life has no home planet, so Earth is not a good place to start at all.
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