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Greg Palast does great investigative work. To me this one is no exception.
Palast and others contend that it is the LEGAL hispanic population that is being targeted with Jim Crow type law to intimidate voters to tend to vote Democratic two to one.
"What moved GOP Governor Jan Brewer to sign the Soviet-style show-me-your-papers law is the exploding number of legal Hispanics, US citizens all, who are daring to vote - and daring to vote Democratic by more than two-to-one. Unless this demographic locomotive is halted, Arizona Republicans know their party will soon be electoral toast. Or, if you like, tortillas.
In 2008, working for "Rolling Stone" with civil rights attorney Bobby Kennedy, our team flew to Arizona to investigate what smelled like an electoral pogrom against Chicano voters . . . directed by one Jan Brewer.
Brewer, then secretary of state, had organized a racially loaded purge of the voter rolls that would have made Katherine Harris blush. Beginning after the 2004 election, under Brewer's command, no fewer than 100,000 voters, overwhelmingly Hispanic, were blocked from registering to vote. In 2005, the first year of the Great Brown-Out, one in three Phoenix residents found their registration applications rejected."
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Your thoughts?
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
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Posted: 4/27/2010 7:34:35 AM

Do you really "think" drug cartels don't have the resources to provide their agents with sufficent documentation to overcome this farce? If not please forgive me while I LMFAO.

With a all due respect ladies if illegal immigartation were a net drain on our economy the corporate folks pulling strings in our government wouldn't keep doing it. Millions of illegal immigrantgs pay social security and payroll taxes they will NEVER collect on. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? If not please think about making your third grade teacher proud and do some REAL math next time before you try and blame poor folks that are by in large just looking for a better life like most of our ancestors did. Think about the fact that if there were not jobs for these people here they would not come.

"Think! Its very patriotic,"
Joined: 4/30/2007
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Posted: 4/27/2010 7:36:17 AM
I agree with the new law.
Joined: 2/23/2010
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Posted: 4/27/2010 7:46:44 AM
Yea Maybe we will send all those medical bills these illegal's rack up for you to pay there Earthpuppy. That would be another crusade for you to right huh???
Joined: 2/23/2010
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Posted: 4/27/2010 8:03:40 AM
Crist 2 blonda don't include me in your rant. I support ANYONE who will do ANYTHING to stop these illigals from entering our country.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
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Posted: 4/27/2010 8:08:04 AM
I've done the research ladies, I've accepted reality, not hateful unsubstantiated, deceitful rhetoric as you apparently have. I did the math, didn't let a dishonest partisan hack do it for me. Get off your posterior and be a real American and think as I've already suggested. There is factual reality and deceit. Learn the difference between the two. If not for yourself for your children's sake. Myopic ignorance doesn't help yourself let alone your country.

Who gives a bleepin' bleep if you're in a border town and we're not? How is that relevant? You're still in the United States and as long as we are a Constitutional Republic this unequicocally bigoted fecal material will eventually be struck down by our courts. Count on it.

Long live the Republic!

Joined: 2/9/2008
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Posted: 4/27/2010 8:30:59 AM
Double cabin..
I expected that some folks would not care about, or understand the consequences of codified racial profiling. The irony was lost that an illegal Canadian (a frostback) was allowed free access to Arpaio's concentration camp and was never stopped or asked for papers at any point in his investigation.

The bill was passed as an anti-brown skinned person law. The article noted that despite claims of illegal voting, no proof could be provided other than the hundred year old woman born here who was never issued a birth certificate. It's pretty obvious that this bill is far more about voter intimidation than anything.

I think we would be hearing a different tune if the roles were reversed, where all white folks were routinely stopped and forced to present papers by a dominant Hispanic state in the US, that voter roles were purged because they were white. The facts remain, that the vast majority of the Hispanic population of AZ are legal citizens, many from generations long before the region was taken from Mexico, and that the majority of immigrant workers are legal, AND as you pointed out, contributing and productive members of society.
Joined: 12/4/2009
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Posted: 4/27/2010 8:52:58 AM
I was going to say something about this in two other threads currently running.
One was prohibition.
It is obvious that the us drug war against marijuana has given the Mexican drug gangs some serious clout.
Two was the hippie dream that has died thread.
In a post made there I referred to Naomi Wolf doing a book tour extolling the similarities of how fascism could be the next form of Government in the US.
This law in Arizona is step one or possibly one of the final ones.

I'll steal something I heard from Weekend Update on SNL this past weekend.
Can I see Your Papers. The most common catchphrase of the Nazi party.
Every Nazi movie ever made uses this line.
This isn't sort of like fascism, it is fascism.

You have to wonder how a Governor so opposed to this kind of thing could sign such a bill, really makes you wonder who's pulling the strings?
My bad, sorry earthpuppy I was under the impression she was opposed to this bill.
Guess the spinning on this has already begun.
Joined: 5/10/2009
Msg: 9
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Posted: 4/27/2010 10:01:37 AM
What moved GOP Governor Jan Brewer to sign the Soviet-style show-me-your-papers law
Damn, I don't even have my papers on me. Hopefully I can get stopped then deported back to my ancestral homeland and away from the failed experiment known as where I currently live.
 Double Cabin
Joined: 11/29/2004
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Posted: 4/27/2010 10:12:50 AM
Yes. IMHO ladies you're bigots and more than fit your name if you willfully make the decision to ignore factual reality and try and purvey obviously deceitful rhetoric and statements without factual coroboration that do not accurately portray extent reality. Bigots remain bigots as long as they refuse to educate themselves and act in GOOD FAITH from an informed perspective. You have asserted illegal aliens are a drain on ours economy. I effectively showed that is not the case. If you don't think the billions that illegal immigrants INDEED DO pay in social security and payrol taxes don't far outwiegh whatever local services they might take advantage of that piece of Ocean Front Property is waiting for you in Showlow. Like with Bush 43 we''ll be kind and call your assertions documented false statements instead of those other little thing most of us are funny about being accused of.


Good post. I don't agree with the premises but at least it has some stones, so I'll continue to disagree, although more respectfully with you. Drug cartels aren't going to miss a step. They have the money to procure "legal" documentation, period. As long as we provide the market they'll provide the product, one way or another. You forget these cartels are already adapting, bringing stuff down from Cannada and poisoning our National Forests growing pot and manufacturing meth well NORTH of the border. If we REALLY declared war on drugs people would stop giving a kwap about Marijuanna usage and want to see it sin taxed and get rid of the most destructive force in society, the black market, and concentrate on real national security threats like Meth and Obesity.

As to the "people of Arizona:" To not understand the racial implications and motivations behind this legislation is IMHO and with all due respect delusional at best. One any minority is persecuted by any majority you've left America and the Constitution behind. Fortunately there are good people to see this through the courts so actual American freedom rings truer again in Arizona.

My apologies folks, I missed this gem:

"Double.... Did you know that Colorado is one of the states that secretly does racial profiling ? Small towns that have a sudden influx of crime do a racial profile sweep. When people are caught roaming the streets after dark they are stopped & need to prove they are employed or are a citizen. If they have no proof they are escorted out of town, till eventually they are either in Kansas or Oklahoma. Thus the reason for Oklahoma's new strict immigration laws. So where were you when this was going on in Colorado? Or are you just another NIMBY? Show your papers or go home!

Hiiwayman....didn't mean you sweetie."

With all due respect the debate is about the new Immigration Enforcement law in Arizona. For the record I don't condone the arguable persecution of people anywhere ladies. However irrelevant this attempt at misdirection was could you please document these trucks driving to Kansas and Oklahoma? With most of the illegal population concentrated on Colorado's Front Range why wouldn't they be dumping them off in Wyoming or New Mexico? Or has basic geography eluded CO Leo's? Of course I trust you'll come back with factual corroboration so as not to insult the law enforcement community in Colorado?
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Posted: 4/27/2010 10:34:21 AM
Following the racist logic.
We must bring back codified profiling of blacks..because blacks are disproportionately jailed as criminals in the country because we profiled them and jailed them in the past, so we must increase the profiling of black people.

We must profile all American Indians and require them to show their papers because they look a lot like Mexican Indios.

We must profile and demand proof of citizenship by anyone and everyone of Middle Eastern heritage..because we all know WHY.

We must profile Japanese Americans again...It's a Toyota plot thing.

We must profile people of Italian descent..the Mafia works with drug cartels after all.

We must profile people who look German..We still find it hard to trust them.

We must profile Chinese and Korean Americans because they might know people or have family members who live in commie countries.

A clean sweep of people in Miami must be made, papers shown by all to prove they are legal American Cubans.

We must profile white people who attend churches because we have a growing white militia problem.

People with tattoos goes without saying.

Additions? We don't need no stinking Bill Of Rights in Amerika.
Joined: 8/12/2009
Msg: 12
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Posted: 4/27/2010 11:50:59 AM
Question I'd like answered about the new AZ law: will (can) the street cops pull someone over simply in order to ask for their papers, or must they have pulled them over for something else already..........and then determined (however exactly that works) that they feel they may be illegal immigrants? Anybody know?

I don't know what the situation is like "on the ground" (so to speak) in AZ, in Phoenix, etc. I've never even been there for any extended period of time. I might as well be talking about what it's like in a different country I've never visited. Because I know some people (people from there apparently) make strong arguments in favor of this new law.

But at the same time, I can see where the indignation about racial profiling is coming up, obviously. I mean, in all seriousness, if they're just going to pull anyone over who "looks Mexican" they're not going to be pulling over a Mexican guy that looks like Vicente Fox , or Ricardo Montalban (ie, a white Mexican).... and driving a nice car with seats of fine Corinthian leather no less ........ but they're going to be targeting obviously mestizo-looking (for lack of better term) stereotypically "illegal"-looking Mexicans (or other central Americans who may look that way), and therefore that would IMO make it a form of a deliberately racially (or ethnically)-motivated stop........thus racial profiling.

And then asking for "papers" on top of it....... I don't know.......I don't like it; not a fan. I think if nothing else it's a hell of a lot of (too much) power and discretion to be putting in the hands of ordinary cops, that's for sure..
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Posted: 4/27/2010 11:54:41 AM

No other country allows illegals to stay without papers, neither do they give them free medical, housing, free food, & on & on. Neither do they change their language to accomodate illegals.

This is true over here. Including the language except for a few exceptions. But... once they do have papers (proof of employment, which employers drag their feet on btw) in other words proof that they can support themselves... not only do they get free medical, it's a requirement for the protection of the rest of the citizens here... TB etc, typhoid whatever is third world and floating around, because we've got them from the bottom of Africa to the farthest reaches of Russia and China.

I have mixed feelings about this discussion, and I haven't read up on this Arizona thing so I don't know the specifics... Yet probably because I live in Europe where an ID card (papers) is obligatory, I'm not so shocked by the whole idea. Basically you can't do a damn thing without one, hook up gas and electric, rent, buy a house or even get a hotel room.... it is a pain in the keister, but I've gotten used to it and when you are legal it's not a problem.

Now here, there is a long tradition of keeping track of people and who belongs where. There are some good reasons. Wars have been fought here for centuries, borders have been exchanged back and forth from one year to the next and even entire countries have been obsorbed or expelled. So from a bureaucratic point of view... what property belongs to whom in what country, is this a spy or not, whose side is this guy on???? It does make sense... or rather 'did' make sense... no take it back... still does.

For example, when the Berlin wall went down.... suddenly there was a tide of very poor people wanting a better life and willing to do most anything to get it, at first they were welcomed with open arms... cheap labor of course to take advantage of. The local factory employers were tickled pink because they could underpay them... so more profit. Then the old employees started to realize that they were eventually out of a job. So the troubles started... and are still ongoing, because not only do we have an influx.... now we also have an exodus of factories moving to the former east block countries because land, labor, palm greasing and everything else is cheaper. Catch 22.

In the meantime we would have weekend marauders (as "tourists").... they would come over and steal and rob jeans and equipment from little storefront businesses, to michigan loaders and banks, finally beating up little old couples out on some farm somewhere.... it was getting out of hand and they started cracking down... and checking papers once again had it's uses. They get caught being or doing something they're not supposed to and BAM, they are shipped out. Now does this solve all the problems? No... they just show up again next month. But there is a bit more cooperation between all countries now and after awhile even some of the bad guys are kept track of or jailed in their own countries and here or....if they stayed under the radar got work and their PAPERS.

The fact is, it's a complicated issue and WE have some history with Mexicans, after all those southern boarder states used to be theirs so maybe they have half a right to be there.... to them they feel they have the right, and probably to the folks living in those states... pressed upon with no controls. It all comes down to not making it so hard to be legal if they are prepared to be hard working contributing residents... and tuning up on watching the bad eggs so that they get their justice in cooperation with Mexico. But you have no tools to do that with if there are no papers... and painting all Mexicans with the same 'bad' brush is not right either.

The reality is that you are 2 separate countries, one rich and one poor.... it's a problem, no one wants to be poor . The situation really should have been addressed years ago.
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Posted: 4/27/2010 6:17:49 PM
I see our crusaders are hard at work again here. Complaining about situations they no control over. And not one suggestion on how to fix the problem. Earthpuppy you protest the war,but no solution to the 40 +/- terrorist attacks the world has had to endure. Now its racial profiling. And of course no solution as to how to stop the illegal's from getting into this country. Like I said earlier. The nation will send all those unplayable medical bills to you and your cohorts to pay. Now there is a solution to the illegal's problem.
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Posted: 4/27/2010 6:40:28 PM
Hiwayperson..I tried to explain that mucking around in all the world's nations with our guns, CIA and arms sales would eliminate much of the hate. Much the same as with the immigration issue. Our NAFTA and other policies have displaced many people off their land in the south. Our criminalization of consensual crimes has only fed drug cartels. Our lazy ass workforce has led to demand for people who actually show up at work, have a good attitude and DO work. I did many of the hard labor trades that are now being done by immigrants. Working in the trades still, there are a couple of generations of lazy azz, self important, younger Americans with a sense of over-privilege who look down on sweat, who would not do the work if it was offered, now looking for an easy scapegoat for what we have become. Simple truth is that we can't afford each other's shoddy workmanship, lack of respect for employers, and demands to make far more money than most in the work force are worth.

This new law is Apartheid, racial scapegoating and profiling at it's worst, Jim Crow,fear of whites being a minority on the continent again, and denial that the problem is our own making. No wonder the Civil War is now being re-written to exclude slavery and the Mexican American war is being re-written to exclude the forced gunpoint cession of Arizona and beyond. Can't wait to see what part of history is re-written next.

People can and have gotten along with cultural diversity till some resent the tilt.
Joined: 2/23/2010
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Posted: 4/27/2010 7:23:10 PM
Well I see nor hear of any solutions to the illegal problems there Earthpuppy. And last I heard none of our higher ups have called you or me for an answer. What they have none is give you a vote,and more crooks to pick from. And of course they are very selective as to what you can vote on in the 1st place. I would of thought you would of seen this after the war??It's been going on all the time I've been around. There's a lot about this country I don't like. The most dangerous ones are the so-called " educated" ones. Always a headful of " theory" and no experience to back it up. But I don't sit around and dig up BS to complain about. No matter what decisions are made by our government there will always be those that don't like it. In the end it always turns out for the better. Even thou it may take years to finally play out. If it was me I'd have all our veterans stateside pull a month of guard duty on the border. Like we did in Germany in the 60's. We pay them monthly anyway. From what I've seen we have way to many over sensitive people far to focused on their " hurt feelers" than we do on finding real solutions to the many problem this country has..............BLACKHAWKS!!!
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Msg: 17
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Posted: 4/27/2010 8:19:37 PM
What does this have to do with excluding 100,000 LEGAL Hispanic voters from the ballet box in Arizona?
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Posted: 4/28/2010 1:11:34 AM
Another motive for the Soviet Arizona Apartheid Bill...The Prison Industrial Complex is poised to make the big bucks in AZ...good payback for the PIC investment in politicians.
In 2006, when DHS only had 1.5 million people going through immigration proceedings, the Washington Post reported that ICE held "more detainees a night than Clarion Hotels have guests, operates nearly as many vehicles as Greyhound has buses and flies more people each day than do many small U.S. airlines."

Someone’s got to guard those detainees, clean those buses and fly those planes -- we’re talking about American jobs!

In addition to its own detention facilities -- they're not called "jails" because many of those held are never charged with a crime -- ICE leases thousands of beds in 312 county and city prisons.

And we're not talking about just some European-style government-run prison scheme -- these include dozens of private, for-profit facilities. The immigration detention system is crucially important for major companies like Halliburton, Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) and the GEO Group. So we're talking about private sector jobs. And they're impossible to ship overseas!

"Housing federal detainees typically brings in more per 'man-day,'" an industry term for what is earned per detainee, "than they can get from state prison systems," wrote Leslie Berestein in the San Diego Union-Tribune.

This is one of the last remaining growth industries, and all thanks to some heavy government intervention -- stimulus of a different kind. Michele Deitch, an expert on prison privatization at the University of Texas in Austin, told the Union-Tribune that "the private prison industry was on the verge of bankruptcy in the late 1990s, until the feds bailed them out with the immigration-detention contracts."

CCA, one of the largest, has had a spectacular resurgence based in large part on changes in immigration policy. In a conference call with investors in 2008, John Ferguson, CEO of the firm, said he was optimistic that DHS's detention network would continue to expand. "We see that the budget supports the detention population of 33,000 inmate detainee beds," Ferguson said. "What I am most encouraged about is everything we are hearing says 33,000 is still not enough."

According to "The Business of Detention," by Stokely Baksh and Renee Feltz, five of CCA's "lucrative contracts to detain immigrants have no end date. Several of its other contracts contain 'take or pay' clauses that guarantee a certain amount of revenue regardless of occupancy rates, as well as periodic rate increases. All of the contracts are renewed at a rate of almost 95 percent."

The major players in the growing immigrant detention business are generous donors to the campaigns of immigration hardliners on Capitol Hill. They need to be: According to Detention Watch, releasing immigrants while their cases are pending costs as little as $12 dollars per day, and 93 percent of them show up for court. Each of the tens of thousands of detainees held in ICE's nationwide prison network costs taxpayers an estimated $95 per day, or about eight times as much. Stimulating!"
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Posted: 4/28/2010 7:20:33 AM
I am in the process in getting permenant residency in the USA and paying thousands for the honor of living in this fine country.

Does that mean if we grant amnesty to all these who cut in front of the line, I get my money back?

While I say the above in jest, I believe it was the direct fault of the Federal Government for this legislation being enacted. I believe if you are illegally here, you need to pay a fine and get hauled back to your country of citizenship. There is a process for a reason. And the politicians really need to develop a policy to keep the illegals out. But that would require backbone.

Hoewver, do I support the Arizona Legislation?

I am not sure. I came to this country for the freedom it offers (even though I am from the near-equally free country of Canada) and racial profiling and the possible Gestapo tactics requiring all people (face it, it is mostly hispanics and other who can't speak english well) to carry citizenship are things that I see as falling under a slippery slope.

Remember, when Arabs were racially profiled for possible terrorist ties after 9/11 for unfair treatment, the conservative right said it was for the good of the country. However, when the Southern Poverty Law Center warned of the rise of militia groups and Janet Napolitano said how soldiers coming back could join these militia groups, the Conservative Right raised a stink saying how dare you!

That is the slippery slope I am talking about. In a country where we pride ourselves in limited government, this is a big step towards big-brotherdom IMO.
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Posted: 4/28/2010 11:13:54 AM
I said it in the other thread and I'll say it here. It cracks me up that the same people opposed to forcing a person to carry their identification (which is basically all anyone needs to do--and if they are here legally, no problem) seem to have no problem with government forcing people to buy health insurance.

I think the truth of it is the lefties (at least the ones in high places--not so much the brainwashed idealists in their party) know if huge amounts of illegals get deported, there goes a huge part of their voter base once Obama declares amnesty (and that will be happening as a so-called immigration reform--you can bet on it). I think that is the real reason the fight is on.
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Msg: 21
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Posted: 4/28/2010 12:45:42 PM

It cracks me up that the same people opposed to forcing a person to carry their identification (which is basically all anyone needs to do--and if they are here legally, no problem) seem to have no problem with government forcing people to buy health insurance.

It should only crack you up if you did not subscribe to the same apparent contradiction in reverse, which you do-- unless you are also laughing at yourself, but you are not admitting to that here.
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Msg: 22
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Posted: 4/28/2010 12:48:42 PM,0,3848260.story

Reporting from Los Angeles and Phoenix
' ' Pressure continued to mount Tuesday against Arizona's tough new immigration law, with the Obama administration considering a legal challenge and political leaders calling for economic boycotts.

Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday that she had "deep concerns" with the law and said it could siphon resources needed to target criminals. U.S. Atty. Gen. Eric Holder said he was considering "the possibility of a court challenge."

"I think that that law is an unfortunate one," Holder said. "It is, I fear, subject to potential abuse. And I'm very concerned about the wedge that it could draw between communities that law enforcement is supposed to serve and those of us in law enforcement."

The law makes it a state crime to be in Arizona illegally and requires police to check suspects for immigration paperwork. The legislation also bars people from soliciting work or hiring day laborers off the street.

Gov. Jan Brewer cast the law in terms of public safety, saying, "We cannot sacrifice our safety to the murderous greed of drug cartels." Brewer said she would order the state police training agency to formulate guidelines for law enforcement officers.

But critics said the law will result in racial profiling and discrimination.

Calls for boycotts spread throughout California this week after the bill was signed by Brewer on Friday. The law is scheduled to take effect 90 days after the legislative session ends this week.

On Tuesday, seven members of the Los Angeles City Council signed a proposal for a boycott, calling for the city to "refrain from conducting business" or participating in conventions in Arizona. Councilman Ed Reyes, who coauthored the proposal with Councilwoman Janice Hahn, said he wants city officials to spend the next 90 days assessing the financial relationships that exist between various city departments and businesses based in Arizona.

"If Arizona companies are taking our money, I want to sever that," he said.

Hahn acknowledged that a boycott would be logistically complicated but said the city should not remain silent. "When people are asked to show their papers, it brings back memories of Nazi Germany," she said.

A spokesman for City Controller Wendy Greuel identified at least 12 city contracts with Arizona companies that are worth an estimated $7.2 million.

San Francisco supervisors introduced a similar resolution Tuesday, and Mayor Gavin Newsom imposed an immediate moratorium on city-related travel to Arizona, with limited exceptions. Newsom also announced the convening of a group to analyze how a boycott would affect city contracts and purchasing.

City Atty. Dennis Herrera said he hoped the city's resolution would "be an impetus to others taking an aggressive stand in terms of scrutinizing the services they have with Arizona companies."

The leader of the California Senate, Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento), called the law a "disgrace" and said the state also should consider a boycott. He sent a letter to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger asking for an inventory of Arizona businesses and government agencies with which California does business.

"The Arizona law is as unconscionable as it is unconstitutional, and the state of California should not be using taxpayer dollars to support such a policy," Steinberg wrote.

Already, several organizations have canceled planned conventions in Arizona. The American Immigration Lawyers Assn. announced that it is moving its fall convention, originally scheduled for Scottsdale in September.

"We just felt that given this new law signed by the governor that it would not be right for our association to meet and convene there and take on the issues of immigration in a state that passed such a misguided bill," said George Tzamaras, spokesman for the group.

Arizona was already reeling from a decline in tourism because of the recession, and the fallout from the law has taken hotel owners by surprise, said Debbie Johnson, president of the Arizona Hotel and Lodging Assn.

"Obviously our members are concerned," Johnson said. "I thought there would be political issues. It has become so tourism-focused and that, to me, is the unfortunate side."

Johnson said 200,000 people, many of them Latinos and legal immigrants, depend on a paycheck from the tourism industry. "They don't want to lose their jobs," she said.

Barry Broome, president of the Greater Phoenix Economic Development Council, compared the boycott resolutions to the aftermath of Proposition 187, the anti-illegal immigrant measure passed by California voters in 1994.

"You didn't see people in Arizona trying to leverage political gain from California's issues," he said.

Brewer said at a meeting in Tucson on Monday that she wasn't worried about possible boycotts. "I believe it's not going to have the kind of economic impact that some people think that it might," she said.

But Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.), who himself called for companies not to plan conventions in the state, said in an interview Tuesday that he expected the state to see declines in business and leisure travel, the trucking industry and retail shoppers from Mexico.

"There are political, legal and economic consequences that are going to hit the state," said Grijalva, who has received death threats since speaking out against the law. "The disgust goes across state lines."

The concern about the law crossed international borders, with a travel warning posted by the Mexican government Tuesday. The post, on the Mexican Foreign Relations Ministry website, urged Mexican citizens to be careful in Arizona and to expect harassment and questioning. ' '
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Msg: 23
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Posted: 4/28/2010 12:50:10 PM
I maybe wrong but I don't think a Driver's licence is what they are asking. They are asking for you to carry your passport wherever you go, which lists your residency status if you are a non-American.

Who carries their passports wherever they go?
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Msg: 24
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Posted: 4/28/2010 12:53:43 PM
^^ That's right. They're not asking for drivers' licenses (those are something which all drivers have to show, obviously). They are asking for "papers", as in proof of US citizenship; who carries that with them in this country (except AZ now, apparently....) ?? Right-wingers , Right libertarians, whatever, go batsh!t when any mention is made of a national ID card for all citizens. But I guess it's ok to only expect "illegal-looking" people in AZ to have to carry their "papers" on them; where's the concern by the tea party-types about intrusive overreaching gov't's ??
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Msg: 25
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Posted: 4/28/2010 1:16:44 PM
We should consider the possibility that the authorities in the penal system of Arizona, which is one of the few states that allow the use of inmates labor for the benefit of private industry, may be in need of increasing the numbers of the labor force that they would have available to fill the orders from their private entrepreneurs partners.

With Fewer Migrant Workers, Farmers Turn to Prison Labor

By Nicole Hill, Christian Science Monitor. Posted August 22, 2007.

Weren't employers who lose access to cheap foreign labor supposed to start paying Americans fair wages?

Picacho, Ariz. -- Near this dusty town in southeastern Arizona, Manuel Reyna pitches watermelons into the back of a trailer hitched to a tractor. His father was a migrant farm worker, but growing up, Mr. Reyna never saw himself following his father's footsteps. Now, as an inmate at the Picacho Prison Unit here, Reyna works under the blazing desert sun alongside Mexican farmers the way his father did.

"My dad tried to keep me out of trouble," he says, wearing a bandanna to keep the sweat out of his eyes. "But I always got back into the easy money, because it was faster and a lot more money." He's serving a 6-1/2 year sentence for possession and sale of rock cocaine.

As states increasingly crack down on hiring undocumented workers, western farmers are looking at inmates to harvest their fields. Colorado started sending female inmates to harvest onions, corn, and melons this summer. Iowa is considering a similar program. In Arizona, inmates have been working for private agriculture businesses for almost 20 years. But with legislation signed this summer that would fine employers for knowingly hiring undocumented workers, more farmers are turning to the Arizona Department of Corrections (ADC) for help.

"We are contacted almost daily by different companies needing labor," says Bruce Farely, manager of the business development unit of Arizona Correctional Industries (ACI). ACI is a state labor program that holds contracts with government and private companies. "Maybe it was labor that was undocumented before, and they don't want to take the risk anymore because of possible consequences, so they are looking to inmate labor as a possible alternative."........
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