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As I lay in bed under the weather yesterday, I caught up on HBO on demand's
"The Pacific." If you saw this minseries, what was your take? I personally
thought it may have been the best Mini-series about War ever.
What was you opinion?
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Posted: 5/18/2010 3:07:47 PM
Why do you think it may be the best ever?
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Posted: 5/19/2010 12:24:56 AM
yes each to there own much like American historians unique and totalarian view of the second world war!.
I personaly enjoyed Saving private ryan because it captured the brutal honesty and desperation of war yet never tried to pass itself as non fiction, unlike most attempts of american war time story telling!
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Posted: 5/19/2010 5:33:52 AM
I liked it. Some episodes were kinda slow. Snafu was, by far, my favorite character. The actor who played him stole the show. That scene were he got off the train without saying goodbye to Sledge was so powerful. I hope he gets an Emmy nod.
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Posted: 5/22/2010 3:36:16 PM
the real truth about the war, that is ww2, is the americans where as guilty as any other country as far as war crimes, terror bombings is what americans are known for, not there fighting , that is one of the main reasons europeans do not like the americams
they stayed way behind the lines during the war, and let the soviets, and the british empire do almost all the fighting
had it not been for resorting to atomic weapons of mass destruction, who knows how long it would have taken them to win the war in the pacific
the american are remembered as cowards for the most part
remember they not only carpet bombed german cities they did the same all over the continent
even little canada was responsible for liberating countries, what country did the usa liberate not one!
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Posted: 5/22/2010 7:05:59 PM
^^^ Wasn't there a 6 Million Dollar Man episode where Steve Austen had to liberate an Island from a lone Japanese soldier?

"We can rebuild him"
~ Oscar Goldman (not the chicken from "Trailer Park Boys")
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Posted: 5/22/2010 9:31:39 PM
the americans where as guilty as any other country as far as war crimes, terror bombings is what americans are known for

Its war mate, its what happens.what you need to work out is there a good guy or a bad guy, because we are on 1 side doesnt make us the good guy, but our goverments,our priests will say we are....
war is mostly a very grey area, you can't afford to show mercy, the population are the ones who feed the troops, supply the troops, support the troops so if you impact there life you impact the ability of the troops to fight you...

they stayed way behind the lines during the war, and let the soviets, and the british empire do almost all the fighting

Actualy what they did was let the germans take as many russians out as possible because the Russians were our real enemy and we played the germans, we actualy were the ones who helped quite significantly to build up there war machine in the 30's so to challange the russians (russians were building a mass offensive army)
we played both sides against eachother then we moped up

had it not been for resorting to atomic weapons of mass destruction, who knows how long it would have taken them to win the war in the pacific

From mid 1943 the pacific war was only a mop up operation, pocket by pocket cleaning up the Japanese imperial army and navy, the japs over extended themselves in trying to cut the supply line from the USA to Australia, once that was secured it was only a clean up.
Most of america's recources were being allocated to the European theater, it had to be as quite possibly when that theater ended we would be fighting the russians, so that theater was complex and needed to be right.
The japs were finnished, when the 2 bombs were dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima they were experimewntal only, japan was surrounded, no air force, no army, no industry, she was in complete ruins, she was starving, we only had commence a seige and she would of surrended....there was no need for anything else, she posed no threat to anyone...

the american are remembered as cowards for the most part

No they are remembered for doing as there former master(british) taught them,

remember they not only carpet bombed german cities they did the same all over the continent

The Allies did that not just america, Bomber command(RAF) use to launch 1000 lancaster raids on cities in germany to attack the citizens and there ability to feed the german war machine
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Posted: 5/23/2010 12:02:21 AM
t was a major factor in ending the war quickly.

The war could of been ended much more quickly if we are to believe russia was our ally not our adversary! The slow progess of the "second european front" was about being ready to face the masive red army when or wherever they met.

the American effort was to prove critical in the success in the Western areas of battle.

the actions of the soldiers involved can not be question but the tactics and policies of the leaders is another story, If we are to think that it was a success why does the war still go on?
millions of russians,germans,ukrainians,polish,cheq's and various other europeans of jewish heritage were marginilised during these times, today we have the religous state of Isreal that is very very racist, one of the few apartied style democracies left, that committs mass attrocities in name of "survival" and is a direct result of that world war and today we still pay the price.
One can not call the second world war ending a success if it hasnt(the attrocities) actually ended.

Let's not forget that little thing called D-Day

All about being ready to face the russians if or when that happened!

, the American daylight bombing campaign ( far more precise and effective than the British night bombing tactics that came before it) ,
The USAAF and the RAF jointly conducted operations over Germany, the Lancaster was more suited to night operations, the American bombers more suited than the lancaster to day, a 24 hour terror campaign that never gave the Luftwaffe space was required, The American's efforts were also not just about targeting industry or troops, it was about a terror campaign also against the population, it also been questioned just how accurate they were, it also been questioned that the Germans developed mass underground facilities that rendered bombing campaigns against industry a nuicance with what little industry remained.
If you so wish to learn, its all out there to be learnt about the joint indiscriminate bombings of civilians(that served a military purpose but still happened)

, the addition of vastly superior aircraft like P-47's and P-52's (and in great numbers) and how that impacted on the order of battle in the air, etc.

The inibility to maintain an airforce is what impacted on the battle in the air, surely with your knowlage you have heard of the ME262 jet engined fighter that run rings around everything the allies had? just they couldnt put enough in the air or supply the oil to fuel them, or train the pilots, the ground crews and so on.

It would be a great disservice to dishonour those Americans who fought along side us by suggesting they were not carrying their fair share of the struggle.

Americans do that all the time but.............

Just the industrial strength of the US mainland alone was a major contribution to overpowering the might of the German war machine.

Everyone else's but Australia,Canada and the USA had a war machine that was attacked or pressured in some way, that was the critical element in the war as most people know it!
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Posted: 5/23/2010 9:12:29 PM

That's the type of soldier that US forces faced in that conflict.

The Jap soldier wasn't as good as the Americans insinuate, not at all. Don't get me wrong his elite forces and his marines were top shelf troops, his ability to attack and seize the moment when they sensed victory was very good, his ability to set up stagnant defensive positions like saw in ww1 was good,.
He though had poor hygiene, was quite noisy and undisciplined and was scared of the Australian as much as the American became scared of VC in Vietnam! In Fact the NVA and VC's opinion of the American was very similar to the Australians view of the Jap.
The majority of the Americans and the Japs in ww2 were scared of the jungle,
Bouganville is a classic example, one of the first Island hopping adventures of the Americans as the mop up operations from mid 43 to august 45 began, Americans created a base and stayed there, leaving a very large force of japs to roam the Island, the Americans weren't interested in doing anything about them, just set up a base on a small corner. When the Japs couldn't dislodge this stagnant defensive position and received casualties attacking it like the Americans received when roles were reversed they reverted to using the Island as one big farm to feed themselves as they were getting no supplies.
Along came the Australians, relieved the Americans with half the soldiers the Americans used, but the Australian went and hunted the Jap, his gardens, his water and his use of natives....
Australians wanted to do this with only a third of the troops the Americans used just to hold fort, but MacArthur refused to be insulted this way so more Australians than necessary went to bougainville!
Japs didn't like the aussies, tried to even create a treaty! but the aussie's went and did his little guerrilla warfare thing, took on the jap.
Australians kill ratio was actualy quite succesful to every casulty they took.
Jap marine was dam good, especially the ones trained before the war begun, like the Americans!
just one classic example bouganville is of all its not being told to many about that war!

Precision bombing was essentially impossible then thanks to technology - with the exception of 633 squadron Pathfinders operations. In night bombing, with individual planes working towards their targets in a pitch black sky you'd be lucky if you'd hit the town or city targeted if it wasn't burning already.

Correct me if i'm wrong but your insinuating the targetting of civillians and there inferstructure by the USAAF didn't happen? they only went after military targets?
Its actually been admitted to, by the actual combatants.There's lots of other stuff about the allies bombing campaign that is highly contentious, but its war, as ive said war mongerers win, nice guys lose.
we didnt lose the battle.......
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